Cloned Meat WTF

[LowBuckX]

Anyone else freaking out that the FDA are going to allow cloned meats to hit the store shevles without a label stating its cloned?
To be honest I cant see why they would clone livestock anyway. Wouldnt it cost more to grow them in a lab than to do it the old fashion way?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/28/AR2006122800529.html

[Bill Howell]

I saw the same newsclip. Unbelievable that the FDA has decided we really don't need to know we are eating cloned meat. This is some society we live in, some natural herbs are illegal, but cloned meat is fine. Don't read anything into my statement, I am not a proponant of the herb, but just think the irony is strange.

[andrewb70]

Just another reason to be a Vegetarian.

Andrew

[63SW]

I saw that on the news as well and i gotta tell you . I WOULD WANT TO KNOW !
Being something new , who knows what the hell will happen to you in a year or two . Maybe you'll grow a 3rd leg or extra fingers ...
As it is now , you can't take any medications without it causing some sort of organ failure ..
Sure a little pill cures your Heartburn ,but it will affect your bone density and cause brittle bones so you can break a hip real easy..
( THAT WAS ON THE NEWS AT THE SAME TIME AS THE CLONED MEAT THING )

Damn near every label has a warning on it now that whatever it cures , it MAY CAUSE 10 other harmful effects to your body.

Like VIAGRA ( Saw this on the news too ) YEP , it'll put lead in your pencil but " IT CAN and HAS CAUSED BLINDNESS !!!
what do you need a stiff ***** for if you cant see what your using it on!

Becomming a VEGETARIAN sounds like a good idea! ( IF YOU GROW IT AT HOME )

[TheRev]

Anyone else freaking out that the FDA are going to allow cloned meats to hit the store shevles without a label stating its cloned?
To be honest I cant see why they would clone livestock anyway. Wouldnt it cost more to grow them in a lab than to do it the old fashion way?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/28/AR2006122800529.html

they would take dna from a USDA Prime beef carcas and make clones of it thus improving the overall quality of meat. most farms probly use AI now so it likely wouldn't cost a whole lot more

[LowBuckX]

These animals that have been cloned have a very short life span and high mortallity rate. Dont you think something is seriously wrong on a level we may not understand? We are what we eat. What if the unknown is something horrible that maybe spread to our children or 2 or 3 generations down the road?

[vanzuuk1]

It is effin creepy.

[Bob Johnson]

I saw the same newsclip. Unbelievable that the FDA has decided we really don't need to know we are eating cloned meat. This is some society we live in, some natural herbs are illegal, but cloned meat is fine. Don't read anything into my statement, I am not a proponant of the herb, but just think the irony is strange.
You're not a proponant of herb?? Whose leg are you tryin to pull??

[Bob Johnson]

I saw that on the news as well and i gotta tell you . I WOULD WANT TO KNOW !
Being something new , who knows what the hell will happen to you in a year or two . Maybe you'll grow a 3rd leg or extra fingers ...
As it is now , you can't take any medications without it causing some sort of organ failure ..
Sure a little pill cures your Heartburn ,but it will affect your bone density and cause brittle bones so you can break a hip real easy..
( THAT WAS ON THE NEWS AT THE SAME TIME AS THE CLONED MEAT THING )

Damn near every label has a warning on it now that whatever it cures , it MAY CAUSE 10 other harmful effects to your body.

Like VIAGRA ( Saw this on the news too ) YEP , it'll put lead in your pencil but " IT CAN and HAS CAUSED BLINDNESS !!!
what do you need a stiff ***** for if you cant see what your using it on!

Becomming a VEGETARIAN sounds like a good idea! ( IF YOU GROW IT AT HOME )
viagra only causes blindness when you whack it...that's been known for years..didn't your mother tell you that??

[shmoov69]

Gee, wonder if it has anything to do with money??:hmm: Almost like the bill that passed in Missouri in Nov about allowing the cloning of human embryo's for "medical research" to supposidly create cures. Gimmie a f'n break! the biggest proponent for it is the huge medical companies that just (after it passed) got a free pass for tax money for "research" that (as stated in the bill) cannot be limited or taken away! It my friends, is all about dollars and nothing more!


disclamer-IMO!

[Bill Howell]

viagra only causes blindness when you whack it...that's been known for years..didn't your mother tell you that??

That reminds me Bob, how are the new glasses working out?:smoke:

[aonghus]

Whats the matter with Beef? We've been eating genetically modified Tomatos for years. Fish DNA anyone? Its used to help the fruit fight off frost and insect damage.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=tomatoes+%2B+fish+DNA&spell=1

[MrQuick]

huummmm, maybe i'd have a another chance to get a peice of that meat i had in Iowa 2 years ago. I vote for Betsy!

You know you guys get the willies about cloned beef...try taking a closer look of the stuff you eat daily. Lab head conversation " Humm mix component A with component XY and hey it taste like chicken. Lets call it..."

Open up a hot pocket and look at whats inside.

[TonyL]

realistically, they are setting up a catastrophe here. Think of it. eventually, they will cultivate the "ultimate" cow, millions of them all genetically identical, then a virus, one that would have only killed one cow before wipes out an entire supply. Genetic diversity is what makes livestock such a good investment in the first place. This is a STUPID and EXPENSIVE idea. It's not like we're having a hard time breeding cattle or other livestock.

Now. say, if you wanted to clone some bald eagles to make some "Patriot Nuggets" out of, then ok. Or some other near extint animal.

/wonder what tiger tastes like..
//chicken?

[Damn True]

With all due respect to my friend Andrew the following is still some funny stuff:

"Vegetarians, and their Hezbollah-like splinter faction, the vegans, are a persistent irritant to any chef worth a damn. To me, life without veal stock, pork fat, sausage, organ meat, demiglace, or even stinky cheese is a life not worth living." ~ Anthony Bourdain from Kitchen Confidential.

[Bob Johnson]

I have to agree with Anthony...I love his show and similar ones that show the gastronomic adventures of a true food lover..At my age, great food is almost as good as sex...I say this just after a quad bypass..I told the docs, I just can't radically alter my eating habits. Anyway, I never heard of anyone getting out of here alive yet..I'm going to live life to the fullest and enjoy it while I'm here..

[TheRev]

These animals that have been cloned have a very short life span and high mortallity rate. Dont you think something is seriously wrong on a level we may not understand? We are what we eat. What if the unknown is something horrible that maybe spread to our children or 2 or 3 generations down the road?

I don't think they should be cloning anything certainly not the stuff we eat but i guess some people like playing god :dunno:

[Steve Chryssos]

Just another reason to be a Vegetarian.

Andrew

You and your vegetarian-edness almost had us waiting 45 minutes for a table. And we drove past at least 60 restaurants on the way to that "grazing" friendly joint.

Face it, homey: Cows are convenient. Cloned cows? Very convenient.

[Steve Chryssos]

I have to agree with Anthony...I love his show and similar ones that show the gastronomic adventures of a true food lover..At my age, great food is almost as good as sex...I say this just after a quad bypass..I told the docs, I just can't radically alter my eating habits. Anyway, I never heard of anyone getting out of here alive yet..I'm going to live life to the fullest and enjoy it while I'm here..

Good for you! Even death row serial killers get to choose their last meal.

[Steve Chryssos]

Anyone ever have a close look at a Slim Jim wrapper?

First ingredient: Mechanically separated chicken. Will someone please explain that process?

[Jimmy Sean]

A somewhat misleading term for a far more primitive method of separating the meat from the bones. The basic mechanical separation process involves taking a really powerful hose, and blasting a dead animal with it, untill all of the edible and semi-edible parts come off, and are collected from a grate above the drain. Tasty.

Mechanically separated poultry is a paste-like and batter-like poultry product produced by forcing bones, with attached edible tissue, through a sieve or similar device under high pressure to separate bone from the edible tissue. Mechanically separated poultry has been used in poultry products since the late 1960’s. In 1995, a final rule on mechanically separated poultry said it was safe and could be used without restrictions. However, it must be labeled as “mechanically separated chicken or turkey” in the product’s ingredients statement. The final rule became effective November 4, 1996. Hot dogs can contain any amount of mechanically separated chicken or turkey.

Yummy!!!

[andrewb70]

You and your vegetarian-edness almost had us waiting 45 minutes for a table. And we drove past at least 60 restaurants on the way to that "grazing" friendly joint.

Face it, homey: Cows are convenient. Cloned cows? Very convenient.

Key word...Almost....who got you one of the best seats in the house in no time flat? Not to mention the fact that 50 out of the 60 restaurants that we passed sucked.

Andrew

[parsonsj]

Catastrophe due to identical DNA? Perhaps, perhaps not.

Our basic cereal feedstocks are all based on single versions of original domesticated plants. Humans have been bending natural things for our benefit for untold thousands of years. Have a look at non-domesticated wheat, corn, rice, peanuts, almonds, or olives. They are unrecognizable, and not very edible.

While it's true that today's technology allows faster manipulation of foodstuff DNA than ever before, it is merely the same techniques: just faster. Eventually beef will be "grown" on an edible "mesh" with no actual animals involved.

It's the future, and it will resolve the vegetarian dilemma: meat without parents or slaughter!

One other thing to consider is that cloning techniques will allow humans to generate more food for less money. That may not be of interest to most Americans, but it would be useful to help poorer countries feed hungry populations.

jp

[Jim Nilsen]

I was intrigued by this and searched a very short distance to find this out and am still wondering if what I see is really true.

At a Plant and Animal Genomes Conference that was held, they describe (FISH) as FLuoresence in situ Hybridization and it is something that afects (BACs) Bacterial artificial chromosome 6.

Now I am no genius but it appears to me that a journalist and some other educated person read something they didn't understand but could still spell and damned if it didn't read FISH in the article they read and while they are confused they are really mad about what their imagination is doing to them.

I think most of this stuff is way over most of our heads and the people who make these decisions more often than not these days are confused by the facts and the way they are presented.

Vegetarians and fruit eaters have been eating clones forever and now they are just finding it out,LOL.

I eat what taste good and makes me feel good. Lifes too short to be unhappy about what you eat. Happy people live longer because without being happy your not living ,you just exist like bad DNA (definately not alive). MMMMMMMMMM cloned DNA !

I think I will go and work on my car which has enough hazards of it's own to worry about and if I can clone it when I am done :Alchy: I will know I better think about what i'm eating:hand:

Jim Nilsen

[Steve1968LS2]

/wonder what tiger tastes like..
//chicken?

No, more like spotted owl...


Cloned meat.. can't say I'm that concerned. I would worry more about hormones and other stray chemicals.

We eat the organic stuff at home... :shrug:

If God didn't want us to eat meat he wouldn't have made it so tasty.. :yum:

[TonyL]

Gaffigan on vegetarians (http://web.mac.com/folie786/iWeb/Universe%20Folie/Jim%20Gaffigan%20-%20Vegitarian.html)

Funny stuff. NSFW language.

[XCESSIV]

IWAS FOURTH GENERATION MEAT PACKER IN THE GREAT CITY OF CINCINNATI OHIO MANIUPLATION OF CATTLE HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR EVER. A BREED CREATED WAS CROSS AN BLACK ANGUS WITH A HOLESTEIN AND YOU GET A WHITE FACE. Farmer feeds the same amount of feed and gets more gross weight out of it.:evil:

[JoshStratton]

I am surprised no one has brought up the growth hormones that are being injected into livestock currently. More and more farmers are doing it.

This is the reason my brother-in-law is 6 foot 5 and no one else in her family barely reaches 6 foot (I would think the ole bird was messin around but he looks just like his father).

This also makes me wonder about HGH and other roids that are baned by the government and pro-sports. We are getting enough of this crap in our food to sink a battleship. Why not let them just inject it directly.

[aonghus]

Genetically modifying cattle is probobly one of the best things that can be done for the cattle industry. Theoretically (though probobly not very plausible) the quality of meat will go up, and prices down in proportion to quality. I think its stupid to assume that an industry as large as that of the American Meat producers would be shortsighted enough to reduce the genetic diversity so greatly as to make the entire herd more vulnerable to disease than they already are.

As for vegtables and other things: When someone can prove that GM'ed DNA can be affect an individuals own genetic makeup, I'll be happy to worry about what I'm eating. For now I'll stick to staying away from proccessed foods with preservaties out the buttocks and known trace amounts of carcinagens.

Also: I work with a Vegan, who has hezbollah like opinions regarding meat. I've been yelled at for eating meat on my lunchbreaks. All I have to say about that: The human brain as we know it now wouldn't have developed into their current states without the excess nutrition provided by the consumption of meat. Berries and Nuts just wont cut it, unless of course you want to be a Bonobo or something. There is a reason we stand upright and have stereoscopic vision!

[bingham72]

Anyone ever have a close look at a Slim Jim wrapper?

First ingredient: Mechanically separated chicken. Will someone please explain that process?

We had an operations management class project where we studied Just in TIme operations. One group went to a chicken plant in N. GA. This is what I remember of it.
I believe it starts with the chicken being restrained at all 5 points( head, 2 wings, 2 legs), then mechanically cut into respective pieces, via saws, or lasers or high pressure water.
To get it the chicken into Slim Jim, I'd guess they have a machine that separates the bone from the meat too.

[aonghus]

I am surprised no one has brought up the growth hormones that are being injected into livestock currently. More and more farmers are doing it.

This is the reason my brother-in-law is 6 foot 5 and no one else in her family barely reaches 6 foot (I would think the ole bird was messin around but he looks just like his father).



Your Brother-In-Law is likely 6'5" due to genetic abnormality, passive genes that his family already carries, or simply by better nutrition. I seriously doubt it has anything to do with Hormones in meat. Last I checked, Dyanabol and other growth hormones used in cattle stunt growth in humans, I should know, my dad took it and stopped at 5'10", I'm 6'4", our family has a distinct genetic pattern of being anywhere from 6'0" all the way to 7'0," his father, my grandfather being 6'5" and born in 1929...

[JoshStratton]

Your Brother-In-Law is likely 6'5" due to genetic abnormality, passive genes that his family already carries, or simply by better nutrition. I seriously doubt it has anything to do with Hormones in meat. Last I checked, Dyanabol and other growth hormones used in cattle stunt growth in humans, I should know, my dad took it and stopped at 5'10", I'm 6'4", our family has a distinct genetic pattern of being anywhere from 6'0" all the way to 7'0," his father, my grandfather being 6'5" and born in 1929...

You certainly know a lot more about than I do; I just eat the stuff. We always assumed it was the hormones. If you knew this kid, a genetic abnormality would definately explain a lot.

[6'9"Witha69]

I can say being 6'9" with a 5'8" dad and 5'11" mother and NOBODY in my family even coming close that there are abnormalites (or maybe I am just abnormal!).

The thought sorta scares me, but so does smoking, drinking, eating crap with preservatives and driving on LA freeways. All thing I do anyway and eventually one of them will kill me.

[Bob Johnson]

A somewhat misleading term for a far more primitive method of separating the meat from the bones. The basic mechanical separation process involves taking a really powerful hose, and blasting a dead animal with it, untill all of the edible and semi-edible parts come off, and are collected from a grate above the drain. Tasty.

Mechanically separated poultry is a paste-like and batter-like poultry product produced by forcing bones, with attached edible tissue, through a sieve or similar device under high pressure to separate bone from the edible tissue. Mechanically separated poultry has been used in poultry products since the late 1960’s. In 1995, a final rule on mechanically separated poultry said it was safe and could be used without restrictions. However, it must be labeled as “mechanically separated chicken or turkey” in the product’s ingredients statement. The final rule became effective November 4, 1996. Hot dogs can contain any amount of mechanically separated chicken or turkey.

Yummy!!!
damn why did you have to tell us that...that will probably kill me now...haven't you ever heard what you don't know won't hurt you??

[shmoov69]

There is a reason we stand upright and have stereoscopic vision!
Ummm, GOD!
But for me, without dead cows to eat, I would definately die! If it is green and I am suppoesed to eat it, it had better be green beans or m&m's!!

[Bandit]

I don't care, if someone would clone me a nice juicy t-bone right now I would tear it up--I'm starving! :help:

[justanova]

Ummm, GOD!
But for me, without dead cows to eat, I would definately die! If it is green and I am suppoesed to eat it, it had better be green beans or m&m's!!

me too

[justanova]

I don't care, if someone would clone me a nice juicy t-bone right now I would tear it up--I'm starving! :help:

me too again

[Doug G]

I think we should clone border guards and let the cows and steers do what they do :D

[EFI69Cam]

Also: I work with a Vegan, who has hezbollah like opinions regarding meat. I've been yelled at for eating meat on my lunchbreaks. All I have to say about that: The human brain as we know it now wouldn't have developed into their current states without the excess nutrition provided by the consumption of meat. Berries and Nuts just wont cut it, unless of course you want to be a Bonobo or something. There is a reason we stand upright and have stereoscopic vision!


There would be an incidence of work place violence if someone yelled at me about what I eat.

[MrQuick]

anybody remember soilent green? gaffigan said... hotttt pocket LOL

[zbugger]

anybody remember soilent green? gaffigan said... hotttt pocket LOL

Diarrhea pocket.....

[Madspeed]

I think we should clone border guards and let the cows and steers do what they do :D


I second this:usa:

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Soylent green was just taking use of what was already abundant..

at least i thought it was a good idea.. hahahahahah

heh.. they wont believe Heston anyways..

[vanzuuk1]

"Soylent green...is people...aaaaah...damn you all to hell...Tay-ler""

Sorry, thats a blend of "soylent green" and "planet of the apes". Charlton heston is just the king of over acting. After william shatner.

[vanzuuk1]

Something tells me if you saw a chicken being mechaniclly seperated you would never eat a slim jim again. I dont eat them as is, they leak pus when you bite them.


I love a nice rib eye, but most of the preparation of livestock is hard to watch. Chicken seems to be the nastiest and dirtiest.

[shmoov69]

I dont eat them as is, they leak pus when you bite them.
What!?!!? You don't like the funky, greasy cheez like substance that ozzes when you bite into them??!!? Much less the film that they leave on the roof of your mouth and tounge!:screwy:

[ProTouring442]

"Cows Engineered to Lack Mad Cow Disease
Monday, January 1, 2007 9:48 PM EST
The Associated Press
By PAUL ELIAS

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Scientists have genetically engineered a dozen cows to be free from the proteins that cause mad cow disease, a breakthrough that may make the animals immune to the brain-wasting disease.
An international team of researchers from the U.S. and Japan reported Sunday that they had "knocked out" the gene responsible for making the proteins, called prions. The disease didn't take hold when brain tissue from two of the genetically engineered cows was exposed to bad prions in the laboratory."

Yeah, probably a bad idea.

Oh, and all those "Organic" fruit and vegetables carry a much higher risk of salmonella, E. Coli, and other associated microbes.

And the reason we pump beef full of antibiotics and growth hormones is indeed money; we the consumer bitch and moan if the price goes up at all so they feed the cattle corn. Cattle aren't supposed to eat corn (remember the nursery ryme about little boy blue?) they are supposed to eat grass. Only problem is that they fatten up much more slowly and require a hell of a lot more land to live on. This raises the price, and we stupid consumers will never pay it, so they feed them corn.

Rant mode: off

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
'72 442 "Inamorata"
www.FQuick.com/ProTouring442

[andrewb70]

All good points Bill. I think way too many people in America and other Western societies fail to ask the simple question " Where and how is food produced?" We are all so far removed from the farming process and we have no clue how things are grown or raised.

Andrew

[parsonsj]

The corn-fed beef issue is a bit more complicated. Modern domesticated corn is nothing like its ancestor, first identified and then domesticated by the Mayans many centuries ago. If cattle were fed corn in its pre-domesticated form, it would be the same thing as feeding them modern-day grass.

jp

[parsonsj]

Oh, and on the organic fruits and vegetables: I suppose they might be free from pesticides and other chemicals (though there is no recognized standard of just what "organic" means).

However, the same thing applies: they have all been genetically manipulated (domesticated) by humans for thousands of years and have little resemblance to their original ancestors.

jp

[andrewb70]

.....

Oh, and all those "Organic" fruit and vegetables carry a much higher risk of salmonella, E. Coli, and other associated microbes.
.....

I am not sure that organic fruits and vegetables carry a higher risk of various microbes. I think what may be the real issue is that people that purchase organic produce have false sense that these vegetables are somehow cleaner than non organically grown produce. So in many case they fail to properly wash the produce. All produce, whether it is organic or not, needs to be washed with soap and water before using.

Andrew

[ProTouring442]

I am not sure that organic fruits and vegetables carry a higher risk of various microbes. I think what may be the real issue is that people that purchase organic produce have false sense that these vegetables are somehow cleaner than non organically grown produce. So in many case they fail to properly wash the produce. All produce, whether it is organic or not, needs to be washed with soap and water before using.

Andrew

Yes, people do have a false sense that organic produce is somehow safer. However, as ogranic fertilizer is frequently the vector for the microbes, there is a higher risk of infection from organic produce. This wouldn't, however, stop me from eating organic produce as it is frequently grown in a fashion that contributes to better taste. This taste comes at a higher cost of course, but frequently it is worth the difference!

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
'72 442 "Inamorata"
www.FQuick.com/ProTouring442 (http://www.FQuick.com/ProTouring442)

[XCESSIV]

Growing up in the Food and Meat Packing Industry and then chaising my love of auto's in that industry I know one think for sure 90 percent of people have no clue about what they eat or what they drive. I love to go grocery shopping have people look at meat and have no clue what to look for in quality and freshiness, then got to a tire store and watch people come in for repairs and tires and have no clue once again. These people are have knowledge on some subject, but you would think what you eat and the safety of your vehicle would be higher on list of knowlegde.:secret:

signed "The Bloody Butcher"

[TheRev]

And the reason we pump beef full of antibiotics and growth hormones is indeed money
Shiny Side Up!
Bill
'72 442 "Inamorata"
www.FQuick.com/ProTouring442 (http://www.FQuick.com/ProTouring442)

your right pumping beef full of antibiotics and growth hormones is pretty much the only way a farm can stay alive these days, if your cattle take twice as long to mature as the next guys and your still getting the same price per pound your screwd :spam3:



I think we should clone border guards and let the cows and steers do what they do :D

do you mean bulls?

[parsonsj]

I think we should clone border guards and let the cows and steers do what they do
do you mean bulls?

Funny stuff! That's why you won't find any college football team nicknamed "Steers". :)

jp