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PT Goat
10-23-2006, 04:59 PM
I just had a long-distance car buying experience so unbelieveable that I had to post (and vent). No, it doesn't involve a fake hemi, a bogus cashier's check, or a Romanian scammer. And thankfully it doesn't involve anyone on this forum.

I posted an ad on another forum looking for a pretty specific car and got several responses, one of which was quite promising. In fact it sounded perfect. But the important thing here is that the potential seller contacted me - I did not seek him out, he emailed me about his car based on my ad.

After many emails, pics, faxed documentation and a few phone calls, I decided to fly 6 states away to see the car, and I cashed in 50,000 FF miles for the flights. I also rented a car, booked a hotel, etc, and invested 2 days of my life. I should also mention that the owner told me that he needed to get $X out of the car, which was what he had invested. Based on the knowledge that I had, the price sounded like top $, but not way out of line. I was so confident in our potential deal that I arranged for a shipper to transport the car back to the northeast this coming weekend, and I put the car on my antique insurance policy.

I get to the guys house, he opens the garage door, and I knew instantly that I had to have it. Trying not to let my emotions get ahold of me, I spent a good 2hrs crawling all over and under the car, and the owner even let me take a test drive alone, and he even told me to make sure that I got on it a time or to.

Long story short, I get back from my ride and I tell the owner I'm not there to BS, and I'd like to buy his car for the asking price. I extend my hand for the obligatory shake, but he hesitates. He tells me he needs to think about it, and we spent an akward hour just standing around. He then suggested that I leave and give him some time, which I did. I didn't hear from him for a few hours so I called, and instead of asking for more $ (than his asking price, mind you), he tells me that he was thinking about keeping the car! Apparently when he saw me driving away in it, he felt emotional. Come on! Don't forget - THIS GUY CONTACTED ME!! Not to mention the time and expense I had invested in the deal...

So he asks me again for more time, and I say fine what I can I do. He calls a few hours later just as I'm getting into bed to get a little sleep before my 6am flight home, and tells me the car is not for sale. I wasn't kind, naturally, but I tried not to burn any bridges, because frankly, I still want the car. Before we hung up, I even offered another $1500 over the asking price (which I regret doing, an emotional response I guess) if he'd just let it go. Without even thinking, he said no. So two flights and two awful hours in security later I'm home and I'm both pissed and heartbroken.

So that's my story - what would you do (keeping in mind how bad I want the car)?

Steve68
10-23-2006, 05:04 PM
Its happened before, your not the only one,

PT Goat
10-23-2006, 05:09 PM
It acutally happened to me about two weeks ago with a local car. Got down to $ time, and the seller said that he decided to keep it. Twice in two weeks is a little much for me to take.

Whistler
10-23-2006, 05:26 PM
Sorry to hear about that. What kind of car was it?

Joey_H
10-23-2006, 05:46 PM
I can understand the seller getting cold feet, but it isn't right that he made you spend so much time and money to look at his car only to cherry at the last minute. Definitely not cool!

PT Goat
10-23-2006, 06:02 PM
Whistler, the car was a GTO.

Joey - I can understand cold feet - I seem to get them every time I sell a car. The problem I have is that the guy came to me - I wasn't begging him to sell something that wasn't for sale. He contacted me! You'd think he'd have thought it though first.

MrQuick
10-23-2006, 06:18 PM
Thats why I get into a cost agreement,set up a contract and/or deposit before I make any plans. Thats just not right... unless you were low balling him. good story to remind others to C.Y.A.

Sorry you had to go through that.

rocketrod
10-23-2006, 06:54 PM
There will be other cars...

Chad-1stGen
10-23-2006, 07:00 PM
Not that I think there would be any chance of collecting I think he should reimburse you for your time/expense backing out like that.

chicane67
10-23-2006, 07:53 PM
I think you should tell him about this site, and this thread, so he can read our response's..... all the while he reads about how unprofessional his actions were. This would merely be for his benifit..... so that he actually learns something from this experience and doesnt do it again.

I think he should do something about a little reimbursement for your time involved.

I do however know..... you can lead a horse to water, but I am tired of drowning horses myself. Well, that..... and that you cant fix stupid..... as it was a stupid move on his behalf.

4MuscleMachines
10-23-2006, 08:25 PM
Thats why I get into a cost agreement,set up a contract and/or deposit before I make any plans.
Yes Vince does that, I can vouch for it. :look:

USAZR1
10-23-2006, 10:11 PM
I would've been tempted to give the SOB a knuckle sandwich before I left. What a jerk-off!

PT Goat
10-24-2006, 05:04 AM
In hindsight, I'm not sure an agreement or a deposit would have done any good, except maybe bought me a lawsuit that I probably would not pursue. I wasn't really concerned about it because the car wasn't advertised for sale - he just emailed me and said here's what I have and here's what I'd sell it for.

I forgot to mention the icing on the cake: the very nice hotel I stayed at (got a 4-star for $75 on Priceline) had no water - none. Therefore no food, coffee, showers, toothbrushing or even toilet flushing! I was pre-paid through Priceline so there was nothing I could do.

dropit69
10-24-2006, 05:54 AM
wow that sucks...but keep looking and find another ..way too many cars to worry about it..

69TAPoser
10-24-2006, 06:06 AM
That's a tough deal, but unfortunately it can be a part of the searching/buying process all too often.

I sell 2-4 cars per month on eBay as a hobby (I have a dealer's license). A Bill of Sale is a very concrete document that would uphold in court ($$ amount, vin #, both parties info, date, statement of forfeiting ownership, and signatures). I provide this document as soon as I receive payment for a vehicle and is typically over-nighted to the buyer before they even pick up the car so that the owner can reg the car and bring plates with them.

However, it is a catch 22 for a buyer if you want to see the car 1st. I know of no way to totally protect your investment of time/travel unless you requested and agree (signed) the B.O.S. prior to seeing the car in person. I try to offset the customer risk as much as possible by providing 30+ pics of the car and having a State Inspection done.

Phil

PT Goat
10-25-2006, 09:55 AM
I've let all of this sink in for a few days and I'm still pissed. Maybe more pissed. I'm thinking about contacting the seller again and requesting reimbursement of my expenses. I'd like to think that rather than shell out several hundred bucks, he'd consider letting the car go. But he probably won't.

I'm also confident that I've got a legal cause of action, but that's the last thing I want to do.

70 Chevelle
10-25-2006, 04:27 PM
Why should you pay for dumb peoples mistakes? I'd be pissed if I lost two days of work , car rental ,hotel. not to mention those f/f miles could have brought you to a beach where you could have wasted time and money on bikini's and tequila, just my 2cents.

Smoke'm
10-28-2006, 08:09 AM
seller is a jack a$$ put some pressure on him for your travel dough back at the very least, if nothing else you will feel a little better.

lets say he really did get remorse when you went for a ride,

any normal person would have felt real bad and said so when you pulled in, then threw some dough your way for coming out and apologized,

any person that has to think about it while you are there, give me a break and jack you around after you came out is a self centered person, and has no regard for other people and there time/dough.

roast is ars.

RKHiPerformance
11-02-2006, 11:17 AM
I think he should do something about a little reimbursement for your time involved.


Absolutely...The 'seller' should reimburse you for both your expenses and your time. It's hard to believe he could change his mind like that without insisting you accept something for your time and travel.

And he contacted you to start this whole thing. What a ****...I'd be pissed too.