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69boo307
11-08-2004, 10:29 AM
Posted this on TC too, but rather than link it I'll post up again...

With all the handling and braking work I've done I figured it was time to put them to the test, even though I'm still sporting the original 307 under the hood.

I entered an autocross put on by the TarHeel Sports Car Club. It was at an old airstrip,so the course was fairly long and narrow. This meant alot of slalom type obstacles, and one 'u-turn' or 'pivot' cone where you had to do basucally do a u-turn. The course had some nice open areas which could reward strong acceleration (followed by hard braking). Everyone got 4 runs. The field was definitely dominated by small imports, although there was a variety of other vehicles there including a couple of 4th gen fbodies, and a '67 camaro.

Here's my results/observations:

-Most of the autoX folks were very friendly and helpful towards newbies, it was a good experience. I only encounted one jackass, who seemed to have a superiority complex about his little girly-car, and thought that because we (myself and the '67 camaro owner) had old american cars, we must be totally ignorant as to principles of handling, braking, etc.

-I didn't hit a single cone, and only once did I experience a 'loss of traction event' due to a poorly timed turn (on the u-turn part of the course).

-I was very pleased with the way my car behaved, and it didn't give me any problems. Nothing overheated or broke. My brakes never got very hot, I didn't tax them at all. I did manage to lock the tires down once, during the aforementioned poorly timed turn.

-The NAPA steering box I installed last week was a savior, I couldn't have negotiated the course well at all with the stock steering ratio.

-I was pleased with my HTH suspension components. the car was just smooth, never felt out of control. It's supple enough to keep the tires on the pavement, but firm enough to prevent excessive body roll. Upon examining my tires I found that I got about 1/16" past the 'edge' of the tread, which tells me the tires were planted well and were'nt trying to fold up under the car as is typical of a big heavy car. Bottom line, I have nothing to rave about and nothing to gripe about. It just got the job done with predictibility and no drama. I didn't squeal and smoke tires, didn't get the rear of the car out away from me, didn't plow through the corners.

-All that said, my times were poor. Most street-tired cars were in the 58-63 second range. The '67 camaro, on a rebuilt stock-style suspension and considerably narrower tires than me, ran a best of 60 seconds and change. He did pretty well and was right in the mix of things. My two best runs were 67.7 and 67.8. I was dissappointed in that, considering how well I thought the suspension and brakes performed. The fact that I hit no cones, always felt under control, didn't get my brakes really hot, and only had one real loss of traction tells me for one that I wasn't driving aggressively enough and pushing the car hard enough. There was probably at least a couple seconds left there just in the driving. Secondly I think my absolutely pitiful power-to-weight ratio cost me 3-4 seconds on this course. It was a pretty fast course and allowed for some good speed if you had the power on tap. The numbers don't lie, I was definitely lacking somewhere.

It was good experience and I had fun despite my numbers, but I think I'll wait until I get a new motor in the car to try it again. :)

Paul69camaro
11-08-2004, 10:59 AM
Glad to hear you went out and autocrossed. I'm a big fan of autocrossing mainly for the reason that roadracing is a little too expensive for me. Sounds like my first experience. Most of the people out there are really cool, no matter what you drive but there will always be one jackass flapping his hole. I don't know the rules of your car club but with the one I used to race with if you asked another experienced driver if you could ride with him/her they were more than happy to take you for a ride. That is where I learned alot. I would also ask them to ride with me to tell me what I was doind wrong. Don't worry about being slow at first it all comes with practice just go out and have fun. I remember my best experience in autocross, it was raining and I was racing my 99 SS camaro I had at the time, it was basically stock, and in my class I had to race against a few WRX's. Man I got smoked by those guys, they all beat me by like 4 seconds but they all gave me props cause I basically drove the car sideways through the course. Even the annoucer guy said something when I came sliding through the finish line. I had the time of my life and met a bunch of really cool and helpful people. Just keep going out there any chance you get, don't worry so much about the motor your running. Trust me, with more behind the wheel experience, you'll get faster than by putting a more powerful motor in you car.

Paul Simmons

Steve Chryssos
11-08-2004, 12:29 PM
Auto-X is great!! It's like getting caught in a police chase but without the whole incarceration thingie at day's end.
Lots of folks don't go back because they are unhappy with their first elapsed times. But in reality, if you did not hit any cones or get "lost" on the course, you did great. On a road course, you can clearly see where the track surface ends and the grass/shoulders/run-off/etc. start. Not so in Auto-X. It's just a sea of cones with asphalt on and off course. So being able to follow the course is a big part of the challenge. And in the end your low power to weight ratio will greatly help you out in the beginning. Hopefully the jackass will still be around after you have HP and practice.

Fluid Power
11-08-2004, 12:36 PM
Glad someone else as had the joy of throwing the car around a bunch of cones. I am going to take a beating from the drag strip guys but IMHO it was a lot more fun. We got about 10 runs in, each lasting about 45-50 seconds. Not bad for the $15 entry fee. My buddy and I went to the local SCCA 'fun run' late in the fall one year in his S-10 (!). To its credit, it had been lowered with bigger tires and sway bars, and a eaton posi unit. A couple of people were complete a-holes. They figured because we were in a truck that we had no business being there. Both of us are experienced racers, him drag, me go-carts/motocycles. We came prepared with tools and air tanks, and asked a couple of people to walk the track with us before hand. In short, we both chopped HUGE amounts of time off each run. Before the last run of the day when my buddy pulled up to the starting line, the announcer even said that we impressed a lot of people that day. In the end, we have gone several more times to the fun runs that they have every year, with different cars and each time had a blast and met some great people!

The last time we went there was this guy in an old dodge dart that had body roll like you wouldn't believe and no posi-traction. It did the one-wheel peel around the whole course!! That guy was having the time of his LIFE thrashing that car. In the end, isn't it just about having fun with your car and other car guys?

Darren

Zefhix
11-08-2004, 01:46 PM
That's so awesome...I can't wait to that in our Chevelle. I've always been a straight line guy but it sounds like a lot of fun.

69boo307
11-08-2004, 02:44 PM
I'm definitely going to do it again sometime...I kinda considered this a 'shakedown' of my suspension/brake setup. I can't wait to get some real power to help it out. I also didn't want to get out there and run over all the cones, run off in the grass, etc, and generally make a newb fool of myself and my car :). I think I accomplished that much at least, I ran slow times but I think I looked good doing it :D.

Zefhix
11-08-2004, 02:57 PM
I think I accomplished that much at least, I ran slow times but I think I looked good doing it :D.

In a Chevelle....hell yes you did!!!! :headbang:

Norm Peterson
11-08-2004, 05:09 PM
It was good experience and I had fun despite my numbers, but I think I'll wait until I get a new motor in the car to try it again. :)No need to wait for more mods. That you stayed on course and didn't cone your runs away with multiple 2-second penalties means that your first event was a big success. This is a sport where seat time is worth more than most mechanical mods, especially at the beginning of one's experience. In fact, a pretty good argument can be made for staying with the stock engine a while so you don't pick up bad habits that can be disguised with more power.

I'd suggest not trying to late-apex every turn (too much extra distance in many cases) and taking it relatively easy the first run (it's easier to dial up the intensity than it is to back off from overdriving).

Above all, have fun.

Norm

Kenova
11-09-2004, 08:44 AM
Auto-X is great!! It's like getting caught in a police chase but without the whole incarceration thingie at day's end.
:lmao: :lmao:
Hey Boo! Drive it like you stole it. :evil:
Ken

airrj1
11-09-2004, 12:53 PM
Brian,
That is too cool. I can't wait until I can run mine next year.

will69camaro
11-12-2004, 06:38 PM
What class did you get to run in. What class do other people in here tend to be placed? I spoke with the TAMSCC today (Texas A&M Sports Car Club) today about it and they said with the motor swap and it not being "all original" i'm going to be put into a prepared class like CSP or something (cant remember exactly). I was wondering how you guys were classified and if your car was even competative in that class.

Thanks,
William

MrQuick
11-12-2004, 07:10 PM
Hey thats great have fun for sure...I remember my first auto x event. Looked more like an spare pick up exibition at a blind pro bowlers tour.Nothing nice at all. Abit of practice and you should be able to cut your times down a bunch.
See Will you should have kept that 4th gen! :rolleyes:

will69camaro
11-12-2004, 07:58 PM
do i need to post pics of that 4th gen to explain more why i didn't keep it...I have some i'll just have to put them up and i can if you'd like...

William

David Pozzi
11-12-2004, 08:15 PM
Keep running with the mild engine, then when you get more power you will be ready to handle it. If you had more power now, you'd just be flying into the turns with more speed and have a much tougher time driving.
Spend this time learning how to read the course and how to stay calm but still work on driving more agressively. If you find yourself giving the cones a lot of extra clearance, you are driving harder than is best. Strive to make your last run your best, if your first run is fastest, you are probably over driving the last runs and going slower.

Optimum autocross tires are worth up to four seconds on a 60 sec

69boo307
11-12-2004, 10:23 PM
William, My modifications put me in 'street mod', which sucks because that is basically for all out race cars. I'm not too worried about it, I had no intention of competing in a given class, I just wanted to see how the car would do overall.