15.75 inch Brakes/6 piston calipers.....

[Colvindesign]

Ok, I have a line on a set of 15.75 inch two piece floating rotors, and 6 piston calipers for fronts, and 13.5 inch (two piece floating also) 4 piston rears. How much would a set like this cost usually?

I don't even have a car to mount these to, but the price is less than I thought. So these might be something I definetely hold on to for the future.

[andrewb70]

What brand of caliper? What rotors? New? If this is a race setup, I would make sure that street friendly pads are available for the calipers.

Andrew

[element180]

Keep in mind you'll need a 20" wheel (possibly 19" if your lucky,depending on the caliper) for brakes this big

[Colvindesign]

What brand of caliper? What rotors? New? If this is a race setup, I would make sure that street friendly pads are available for the calipers.

Andrew

It's an independent manufacturer (they make private brand stuff)

They are steel rotors with Ceramic pads, and yes all new.

I'll have to find out about replacement rotors and calipers.

[aonghus]

Bud ya really gotta be more specific, I can show you 6 Piston calipers that are worthless, or 15"+ rotors that arent worth squat...

Who makes' em? What are the piston bores? Monoblock caliper?

[Colvindesign]

Here are some pics of the rotors and Calipers.

[silver69camaro]

Here are some pics of the rotors and Calipers.

Those piston bores sure are close together. Who knows, could be killer stuff!

Anyway, another downside, along with the huge wheel you'll have to run, is VERY fast pad wear. At that kind of rotor radius, the linear velocity at the edge of the rotor is very fast compared to a 13", and will eat up pads quick. But hey, maybe that's something you don't have to worry about.

[Colvindesign]

Those piston bores sure are close together. Who knows, could be killer stuff!

Anyway, another downside, along with the huge wheel you'll have to run, is VERY fast pad wear. At that kind of rotor radius, the linear velocity at the edge of the rotor is very fast compared to a 13", and will eat up pads quick. But hey, maybe that's something you don't have to worry about.

Well, the car would not be driven excessively, but would be driven at events, such as top speed and 1/4 mile, so I imagine the brakes would be worked over pretty well, but not to the extent of being changed more than 1 or 2 times a year, depending on material.

[customcam]

Those piston bores sure are close together. Who knows, could be killer stuff!

Anyway, another downside, along with the huge wheel you'll have to run, is VERY fast pad wear. At that kind of rotor radius, the linear velocity at the edge of the rotor is very fast compared to a 13", and will eat up pads quick. But hey, maybe that's something you don't have to worry about.
Matt you have a pm on Lg.net

[4MuscleMachines]

Is it just me or do those calipers look rather slim on material and prone to flex/warp? I can't tell with just a side pic.

[andrewb70]

They look pretty. Never heard of them.

Andrew

[aonghus]

I'm no engineer, but non-staggered piston bore?

I was under the impression that is something that just about every manufacturer is using, even some of the 'smaller' companies like movit...

[DeltaT]

I'd be leery of any brakes I couldn't find any reference to on the web - and "Nashin" doesn't come back with any brake-related stuff when I search. I smell cheap Chinese knockoff... could be wrong, but???

Jim

[Colvindesign]

guess I won't be posting here next time I come accross something good.

My price on these is about 60% of what the same size brembos go for.

So, while not nearly as expensive as brembos, they are also not cheap. And, they are manufactured in Taiwan. Not like it would make much of a difference to some of you. Except when you need a replacement alternator from the parts store, then Taiwan is ok.

[BonzoHansen]

I don’t understand your attitude. You present a ‘what do you think’ type thread and they gave it to you. That is why this place exists. Did you expect nothing but fawning and drooling?

So, you are selling these things?

[DeltaT]

Bonzo - you read my mind.

Jim

[Colvindesign]

no I'm not selling these. Sorry for the attitude, I'll explain why I reacted instead of replied,

I am defensive because I am starting a company that will be using overseas products (no, not these). Before you start the Anti-American stuff, read on.

If I would have started this thread stating this company supplies this Kit to a company who retails it for 5k and it is used on high dollar tuner cars, what would the reactions have been then? They do not supply to the public, the company is owned by a friend of someone I know, and a single set was offered to me at cost. They have been used on race cars and tuner cars in Japan and Taiwan.

Anyway, here's my explanation,
The thinking on this thread is what makes my business venture so difficult. For one, I plan to use the lower prices to actually bring a lower price to the consumer by a large margin. This is completely opposite of what is usually done, which is going overseas to get lower manufacturing prices, and keeping the difference to get 1 or 2 people rich.

Besides the fact that I am developing a 1 year test to fully test the components I will be marketing, just the fact that I will have a lower price will make 90% of people think "oh, it's cheap so it must be crap". The fact is, I am honestly tired of people overcharging people so blatantly. Also, I plan to do things different because I am tired of being overcharged myself.

These are not the prices, but the ratio's are right,

Brand A is well known and retails for $5.00
Brand B is well known and retails for $4.95

One of the two brands has a warranty of 3 months (the other has none), neither has every component needed to maximize the potential of the item.

My Brand, brand C is $2.50,

My brand offers a warranty for 1 year, and all the necesary parts to make the most of the item. Brand A and Brand B both make a profit of about $2.50, yet since I am the new guy and the cheap one, my part is the one you guys will call crap. Want to know what responses I got to my 1 year warranty? "Yeah sure, it's hard to follow up on a warranty when the company is out of business". This is even though the warranty is offered through the factory that makes the part, and expedited through me.

Yet, the people I have met who have started companies using overseas products who overcharge, they are driving Lamborghini Gallardos, Ferrari F430s, etc. They have told me, "people think they are getting what they pay for, so you charge them more, and they think it's better than it actually is" or "people will overpay before they will underpay".

Think you never overpaid for the same crap that you can buy for less? If you have ever bought Jewelry, guess how much that is marked up by the retailer, 100%. Are you wearing underwear? Look at the tag next time you go to put a pair on, probably says made in china, taiwan, etc. Do you think they actually cost anywhere near what you paid? Even if you paid 5 bucks for the three pack, they cost about 10 cents each to make. Go look at a Hugo Boss shirt next time you get a chance, made in Hong Kong for less than 10.00 and costs over $250. Have you ever heard of Hugo Boss?

Have you ever bought an aftermarket part, opened the box, and saw a tag saying it was made somewhere other than the US? Chances are you paid a price close to what a US made part would have brought. What's worse, instead of paying a bunch of American worker's salaries, you paid the company owner. I'm not looking to rip people off, I'm looking to market products at prices that more people can afford, yet when I do, the treatment I will get is that I am trying to rip people off.

So, sorry for the attitude and yes I took it personal when I shouldn't have, but this is a particularly sore subject because I have been trying to get the funding together to get this company launched, and I am not even sure if it will work, simply because people think low cost automatically means low quality. We in the US pay higher prices for everything that is made overseas than anyone in the world does, except for the UK. Why, because we think inexpensive = crap.

This is why the US has more millionaires than any other country and less middle class. If people made a decent amount instead of an absurd one, we'd have more upper middle class people.

Gotta go, sorry again, I am not sure if you will understand my point, but I tried.

[ilovefirstgens]

Have you ever heard of Hugo Boss? nope


As for the brakes, give proof that they are a viable performance peice and you won't have this "ive never heard of it so it sucks" stuff. Also a big turn off is going to be the size, i could see 15" rotors and 19" wheel but when you go to 20s the tire options go to crap.

So theres a company that builds uber performance brakes (on paper) that require wheels which would (in rotating mass, tire choice and lack of sidewall) mess up a bunch of the performance aspects of the car...


As for price, im assuming your saying that you are getting the raw parts for $2500, so factor in development of brackets to fit, hats that have the right bolt pattern if thats an issue, brake lines, hardware, marketing, packaging, customer support, and some room for profit in there.

I'm sure you could get it done and some customers, however the insane rotor size will be a deal killer, if you had something that would fit inside a 19" wheel or even an 18" and retain a full floating rotor you would be way better off since no other non super dollar setups have floaters.

But first things first, get us proof they can take an ass whooping on the track and still be useable on the street (read no insane noise or impossible to achieve operating temps)


I'm not trying to sound like a smartass, but just some things you really need to look into before dumping money into the equation.

Good Luck,
Brian

[Colvindesign]

Brian,

I didn't think you were being a smartass, these are not a business option for me. I have access to a single set of these particular brakes. If I was not going into another direction, I still wouldn't try to market these or try to get access to a load of them, simply because they are so expensive and an off brand. Also, if I was to market them, I would test them myself before making any claim or trying to sell them or the idea of them. So, if I was marketing them I would pay the site to advertise, and would list the stopping distances before and after and have test information.

I was talking about the "it's cheap so it must be crap" attitude, that I was reacting to, and why I reacted the way I did.

The Brembos that measure the same diameter require 19 inch rims. The maker of these states the same thing. I just actually posted to see if anyone has been running anything like this, how much they would usually cost, etc. Since that post I have found prices of non-floating rotor Brembo kits, which were the ones I referred to above.
Also, I actually posted hoping someone might say, hey those look like the ones from ________.

Sorry if you all thought otherwise or if I came off with too much of an attitude.

BTW, Hugo Boss is a designer clothing maker who gets stuff made in China for a few dollars puts his name on it and sells it in the US for hundreds of dollars.

[DeltaT]

A turnoff for me is when people presume my reactions to any information. Another is when someone goes hyper-defensive immediately, like we (I) couldn't handle a reasoned approach from the get go.

As far as I'm concerned, you lost a lot of credibility coming out of the chute. Let's see and hear more about your product and go from there.

Jim

[Colvindesign]

A turnoff for me is when people presume my reactions to any information. Another is when someone goes hyper-defensive immediately, like we (I) couldn't handle a reasoned approach from the get go.

As far as I'm concerned, you lost a lot of credibility coming out of the chute. Let's see and hear more about your product and go from there.

Jim

You presumed that the products were crap because you don't know the name, and couldn't find it on the net. That is not even the name of the comany that makes them, that is a label someone had them paint on their sets they bought. So this tells me (a person starting a new company) that any product you have never heard of, will immediately be thought of as crap. After spending a lot of money and time trying to get my business going, running into this type of thinking really burns me, because it is unfounded. I understand any new brand needs to prove itself, but going up against this is much more difficult than it should have to be. Because with this mentality you can argue and provide facts all day long to get to what point? "Oh, it might be ok, but I'd stick with the Brembos.....".
I am the type of person who will test new products.

I apologize for my reaction, because you are entitled to think however you want, but in the same breathe I am entitled to react to it, however wrong my reaction is.
I'm sorry I got heated, but the way you reacted is the same way people reacted to my test ads for my real product. In that case, I feel like I am offering something at a lower price to make it available to more people who otherwise can't afford it, but I get treated like a con artist.

If things went real well and I got the brakes and tested them (and found them to work well), I would probably have put in the effort to try to arrange a group buy or something straight from the manufacturer. Saying basically, I got this good deal, and would try to let some other people get in on it if I could.

I don't think I can really talk about my product as I am still working on testing and development, and it will probably be considered advertising if I say X is what I am developing, and Y is my target price. It might seem like I am fishing for customers. If you are that curious about it you can email me through my profile and I will tell you about it, but it won't be available for a long time.

[DeltaT]

All I said was I'd be leery. That's hardly saying they are crap. I want you to come to market with a beautiful new product, but you asked for feedback with very little info other than size. I'm leery because the OTHER 98% of unknown new products turn out to be EBay crap or cheap Chinese knockoffs.

I wish you and your new product line all the best. If it is truly a great product at a great price, and you give good customer service, you will succeed.

Regards,

Jim

[andrewb70]

......
I am the type of person who will test new products.

.......

If things went real well and I got the brakes and tested them (and found them to work well), I would probably have put in the effort to try to arrange a group buy or something straight from the manufacturer. ......

I am curious how you would go about testing brakes. Care to elaborate a little about your methodology? Test plan?

I am sorry, but you can't look at a part and say how well it works. The rotor in the picture you posted actually "looks" nice. It looks to be like a floating rotor. The caliper looks like a 6 piston design and its red. Thats about all you can see from the picture.

As far as everything else, all I will say is that companies like Brembo, Alcon, AP and Wilwood have not only been around for a long time, but they have a proven record in racing. Their products are not only engineered for performance, but also tested in the most demanding environments imaginable.

Be safe and don't take things so seriously.

Andrew

[Colvindesign]

I am curious how you would go about testing brakes. Care to elaborate a little about your methodology? Test plan?

I am sorry, but you can't look at a part and say how well it works. The rotor in the picture you posted actually "looks" nice. It looks to be like a floating rotor. The caliper looks like a 6 piston design and its red. Thats about all you can see from the picture.

As far as everything else, all I will say is that companies like Brembo, Alcon, AP and Wilwood have not only been around for a long time, but they have a proven record in racing. Their products are not only engineered for performance, but also tested in the most demanding environments imaginable.

Be safe and don't take things so seriously.

Andrew

I was going to bolt them onto my car, take it up to 100 and slam on the brakes.......


:drive2:


Sorry, but I have never stated I am offering brakes for sale, and therefore do not have a plan to test them.

As far as products I am planning to sell, I will test them on my personal car for as long as I can before approving them. Methodology will vary from product to product.

Yes, those companies have a proven track record in racing. But they did not always. Would you have been the first person to run Brembos if you never heard of them? On a race car going over 200 mph?

I don't have a race car budget, neither does my partner. However we do plan to sponsor some race teams. This will help in product testing.

[Colvindesign]

thanks jim, that's why I am working with suppliers to offer a 1 yr warranty on EVERYTHING, other than normal wear items.

[ProStreet R/T]

First off... why do you want to run a nearly 16" rotor? Have you ever driven a fairly light car with brakes like that?

Honestly those look like they were more meant to just look neat behind a set of 24" spinners on some dub'd out suv.

Any idea what the rotors/calipers weight? What is the total piston surface area?

Are pads readily available? and in what compounds?

Remember, you get what you pay for. And in all honesty, if you're not doing heavy repeated stops a set of monster 15" 8 piston Brembo GTR's won't stop much, if any better than a set of 14" rotors with 4 piston monobloc's.


But really those calipers look like a knockoff of the porsche GT3 stuff.

[Bandit]

Them brakes is megamus overkillus, I don't want to be rolllin on dubs. I'd rather be picked up for an article in "Car Craft" than "Rides".

Plus there just ain't no good tires for rims big enough to fit them there brakes.

Paul

[harshman]

find the book "nice guys finish last" and read it. you'd be surprised at what you find regarding price. offering a product at half the price will make you work twice as hard. your first order of business is customer service. your second order of business is customer service. customer service will cost you more money that you planed for.

[Colvindesign]

Sorry, TP

[Colvindesign]

sorry, DP

[Colvindesign]

find the book "nice guys finish last" and read it. you'd be surprised at what you find regarding price. offering a product at half the price will make you work twice as hard. your first order of business is customer service. your second order of business is customer service. customer service will cost you more money that you planed for.

Yeah, I know.

I plan to offer warranty because I am requiring one from my manufacturers. I am seeing that about the price, but being someone who has worked behind retail (retail chain national HQ) and seeing the ridiculous amount that people are charged over the average store's cost, I would think people would have some sort of thought that things can be less expensive. But they don't. People automatically think "you get what you pay for". My previous referrence to Hugo Boss is this, I know someone who bought all top of th eline clothing, he paid 345 dollars for a single button up shirt from HB. I told him he over paid etc, he laughed. I told him to look at the tag and see where it was made, it was made in Hong Kong. I tracked down the company that manufactured it and got a quote for the shirt, for a sample it would cost me 21.00 dollars, they said it was a high price because the unique knitt.

When I worked for the company I mentioned above, I worked for a jewelry chain with several hundred stores. Besides precious stones and gold which are marked up about 100-plus percent, watches from Movado, Seiko, Tag, etc, are marked up 100 plus percent as well. So that 400 dollar watch costs the store less than 200. This means the store and company makes more in profit than the company who makes it, charges for profit and cost. And some people actually think I am lying, some won't believe it because it means they have been paying retailers too much. But, if this is how usual retailers work, why would any other company or product be different? Like automotive aftermarket retailers? Isn't it funny how Edelbrock products are made in the US, but cost only slightly more than foreign made components? But no, when someone gets tired of people getting ripped off by the retail companies and tries to offer a low price, people think he is the one trying to scam them. But they have been getting scammed all along by the people they would rather go to than him.

As for reading the book. It sounds like the title of my autobiography. If I told you all of the big name things I have done (or helped out with) you would not believe me, and I am always the one left out in the cold.

[harshman]

I also have a few business under my belt and I have been the right hand man for some very successful business men.

To be blunt, the jewelry business and clothing industry are not the same as the auto. I am not doubting you or your product – honestly I will never buy huge brakes and the likes. That being said, capitalism will drive the market and the best product at the best possible price will reveal itself. I can see that most of the reactions to your ideas got unfavorable reviews and I have an idea why. We as consumers see an automotive product go on the market for a short time and all of the sudden they disappear. Wheel mfgs do this all the time and the consumers are left with the bill when a wheel breaks or gets bent. So you can see that a break dealer doing the same after a guy drops $3-4k on some fancy breaks that end up needing a warranty in 6 months to 3 years. This is why products cost more than you may perceive them to be. It is all the unexpected items that will take your rent money. Fight it all you want and in the end, you will learn what it takes to be successful.

[Colvindesign]

I also have a few business under my belt and I have been the right hand man for some very successful business men.

To be blunt, the jewelry business and clothing industry are not the same as the auto. I am not doubting you or your product – honestly I will never buy huge brakes and the likes. That being said, capitalism will drive the market and the best product at the best possible price will reveal itself. I can see that most of the reactions to your ideas got unfavorable reviews and I have an idea why. We as consumers see an automotive product go on the market for a short time and all of the sudden they disappear. Wheel mfgs do this all the time and the consumers are left with the bill when a wheel breaks or gets bent. So you can see that a break dealer doing the same after a guy drops $3-4k on some fancy breaks that end up needing a warranty in 6 months to 3 years. This is why products cost more than you may perceive them to be. It is all the unexpected items that will take your rent money. Fight it all you want and in the end, you will learn what it takes to be successful.

No I understand what you mean. Believe me.

I am not offering the brakes pictured, nor will I. From what the maker has told me they have been used by some big name tuners. I have a line on a single set of these brakes.

If, and only if I were to offer any brake kit, it would be from a company who has been making brakes for years has high quality and high standards. Also if I were not going into a different direction, I know the company I would use, and this company is not it. They (the company I would use) are in Taiwan and have made over 10,000 big brake kits for the aftermarket in Australia and Japan. The problem I am having with what I am offering, is what company to use (coming down to price/compatability), since there are only a few out there that are trusted in the area I am looking to go into.

Also, I know jewelry/clothing are different from auto parts, but maybe not as much as you would think. Besides, those two examples I gave were very different in themselves.

If you'd like to offer advice more specific to what i am trying to do, pm or email me, and let me know, I am always open to advice from those who have been there.

[DeltaT]

What ever happened to these brakes?

Jim