Story ideas for PHR.. input wanted [Archive]

BA.

08-19-2006, 01:22 PM

Ya know what, those short 2-6 page installation stories with pictures are one of the two things I always like to see.
Just stuff like installing a new dash pod, window felts, removing glass, etc. really helps the less experienced guys in the hobby and comes in handy for those of us who are competent but haven't done it yet.

The things I like now-a-days as well are comparisons. We want to know if our dollars are well spent!

Sway-bar comparison would be interesting, the SF connectors would be nice too.
How about seats? Plenty of brands out there, and it appeals to all makes and models. What makes them different from another, comfort rating by multiple peeps, etc.
Sound deadeners and heat shield comparisons would be cool too. Perhaps too involved, I dunno.
I'd LOVE to see a comparison of some various LSx fuel injection/intake systems. (or headers, or heads & flow numbers)
(don't necessarily need to see any engine builds as is noted below)

Keep up the Tech-head articles like the recent Camshaft and 'Timing is Everything' articles.

harshman

08-19-2006, 03:48 PM

dino vs synth oil comparison?
(insert beating dead horse smiley here)

How about ATS spindles vs. any after market a-arms. Gouldstrand mod vs. any after market a-arms. Perhaps doing proof positive tests of products that will work guaranteed regardless of manufacturer or PHR sponsors. Please don't take that as a negative hit. I'd like you to be the first mag to be bold when it comes to testing products. In turn, those companies that create products will be encouraged to make items that will defiantly work not just look good. No fluffy BS just hold 'em to the fire.

All that to say, PHR is the mag in my bathroom. I tried Hot Rod and it lasted for about 20 minutes, that is unless you only like going in a straight line. I could read PHR for a SOLID month. You guys put literally twice as much thought stirring information in each issue than the other guys.

Tom Welch

08-19-2006, 04:00 PM

vintageracer

08-19-2006, 05:19 PM

Stay away from engine builds/upgrades. EVERY rag you pickup has how build horsepower with this and that sort of bolt-on, heads, intake, carb, condom whatever! Different is what got your mag to take off. Continue the trend, do not join the herd!

PHM has had a resurgence because you have featured cars and upgrades that are DIFFERENT than the other rags. If you read above post's there are lot's of good ideas. Forget the "we bought this brake kit and installed it" on our car. Do something different like piece it together with a little work like suggested above for a "Cheap Big Brakes" story. I know, this bites the hand that feeds you.

If you feature "bolt on" products/upgrades, try some of the smaller suppliers who maybe cannot afford to advertise in your rag now but may become a big advertiser in the future with a big sales boost a prime time article could produce.

I know "its all about the money" as far as SELLING advertising but trust me, we have ALL SEEN EVERYTHING that DSE, Edelbrock, Flowmaster, Demon, Baer, Global West, Moser, Air Ride, Male Enhancement Products, MSD, Accel, Richmond, Moroso, Jay Leno, Hotchkis, Comp Cams, Dart, TCI, B&M, ATI, Hedman, Hooker, AFR, SSBC, Currie have to offer. BE DIFFERENT! That's what's got the magazine to where it is now, being different with your articles!

If you want some inspiration, look at some of the small suppliers and manufactures on pages 126-129 or your latest issue. This will set you apart from the other rags.

I am truly amazed at one thing. Nitto Tires keeps buying the back cover and ya'll do not give them squat as far as coverage about their products and vast offerings of tires performance cars. But I guess engine builds and head stories are more interesting?

hdesign

08-19-2006, 06:00 PM

What about an E85 fueled Big Block car build up?....maybe a gas comparo too. I'm considering this conversion on my 500Cad powered 70 Nova!

boodlefoof

08-19-2006, 06:21 PM

vintageracer... Male Enhancement products? I can see the article now... "What Works Better: Viagra or a 9 Second Pass Down the Strip!?"

:)

vintageracer

08-19-2006, 06:24 PM

Look at this months issue. 2 separate full page ads for "male enhancement" disguised as articles.

Steve1968LS2

08-19-2006, 06:33 PM

Look at this months issue. 2 separate full page ads for "male enhancement" disguised as articles.

Hey, if you guys would stop buying the stuff they would stop advertising it.. :lmao:

BRIAN

08-19-2006, 06:44 PM

Part to part comparisons with prices and "NO" excuses for parts that do not perform. Have a crate engine and drop a Holley, Barry Grant, Pro Form, etc on it right out of the box. I want prices and opinions regardless who's ad is next to the article. The only way to improve the parts in this industry is to show some just plain do not cut it.

Pick a new part each month such as Ignition box, Hei distributor, Brake pads, etc.

Also stop reprinting everything and every car on this site. Yes, even if it is my car! For those of us on here it just makes the mag kind of boring. By the way I do think you guys are in touch with the current trends more than anyone else.

StRacerDuke

08-19-2006, 06:46 PM

Here's a few topics:

- Nigeria ebay scam awareness article. It seams to be effecting the entire auto community and I don't think I've read anything about it. A little off topic but I think you would get a big thank you response from your readers.

- Cryogenic parts testing. There are a lot of companies offering cryo freezing at affordable costs now and there has been some very outlandish claims, such as brake rotor lasting 3 times as long, blocks (5.0 Ford) withstanding 600 hp of turbo boost, increased striengh in cams, rods, etc. I do remember the Hienz pro-stock bike team using cryo frozen parts in the late 90's during their winning streak.

- Seat testing, support, long range 'rear end circulation', aka your @zz not falling asleep, ease of installation with 'bolt in kits', etc.

- How about a wiring article or two. Maybe painless, EZ wiring, etc, comparison; or common issues and solutions for ecu wiring for newer motors in muscle cars. What are the common problems people run into with wiring up a LS1 or 2, a EFI Ford, or a new Hemi?

- How about a super cheapo build of an American Iron NASA/SCCA car and race a season with it. Or you could follow someone getting into it, their challenges, learning curve, etc. I think a lot of us would be interested in learning how to get into amature road racing, licensing, trial and error performance lessons, etc.

- What about a small section to list all the auto cross events by region? A few hours of internet searchs and readers input would create a fantastic resource for everyone.

- Free 12 pack of beer competition (with proof of age and consent). Have a very obsure question each month for the readers. One person (from the group of people with the correct answer) would be drawn at random to win. Winner would have their name printed in the next issue along with the year and make of their car or project (or future project they want to build).

StRacerDuke

08-19-2006, 06:49 PM

Also stop reprinting everything and every car on this site. Yes, even if it is my car! For those of us on here it just makes the mag kind of boring. By the way I do think you guys are in touch with the current trends more than anyone else.

Naww, I'm okay with printing all the Pro-Touring and Lateral-G cars. It's kinda like being the cool kids in school for once.

myclone

08-19-2006, 06:55 PM

Here's a few topics:
- Cryogenic parts testing. There are a lot of companies offering cryo freezing at affordable costs now and there has been some very outlandish claims, such as brake roter lasting 3 times as long, blocks (5.0 Ford) withstanding 600 hp of turbo boost, increased striengh in cams, rods, etc. I do remember the Hienz pro-stock bike team using cryo frozen parts in the late 90's during their winning streak.

100% agreed..../\.

How about some info on boosted air flow charactoristics of the typical port/polish/slight clean up that every back yard guy attempts (well, most guys anyways). There are TONS of theories and info on N/A flow charactoristics of various heads and intakes but not much techy info filled articles to be had out there. I know its a stretch but I you asked for suggestions.

THX 138

08-19-2006, 07:08 PM

$500 build.
start with a '79 Monte Carlo (my first car :) ) bought for $500 and go nuts on it G-machine style.

nancejd

08-19-2006, 07:09 PM

I think the converting a car to run on E85 thing would be a cool story. Maybe a third gen or fourth gen mule car would work. They're fairly cheap as a starting point.

Steve1968LS2

08-19-2006, 07:36 PM

Also stop reprinting everything and every car on this site. Yes, even if it is my car! For those of us on here it just makes the mag kind of boring. By the way I do think you guys are in touch with the current trends more than anyone else.

ok, no more cars ever from pt.com or from lateral-g.net.. ever..

Sorry guys.. you can thanks Brian.. :lmao:

Seriously.. we find cars all over the place, these sites are just one tool for finding cars.. but, if you insist ;)

TonyHuntimer

08-19-2006, 07:40 PM

How about an article on installing a Pro-Touring.com gas cap?

:wedgie:

How about a no-nonsense article on setting your car up for an autocross event.

Or an article on getting better gas mileage.

Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com

THX 138

08-19-2006, 07:49 PM

I think the converting a car to run on E85 thing would be a cool story. Maybe a third gen or fourth gen mule car would work. They're fairly cheap as a starting point.That's a good idea or propane or natural gas.

hdesign

08-19-2006, 08:05 PM

There's been a couple small articles introducing the E85 technology but no builds as of yet that I'm aware of. With the insane gas prices and the "Go Yellow" ads from GM, it might be the right time to get hotrodders on board since it sounds like it has a lot of benefits to the hobby. Too bad it's not readily availble yet...perhaps this would help in a small way.

I did a project in College where we designed new inner-city buses with CNG (Compressed Natural Gas) just as it was becoming available. Pretty cool, and the bus looked bad a$$!! It looked very PT. I doubt it could handle a corner well though!

torval

08-19-2006, 08:09 PM

If you need cars to modify for your articles, Gimme a holler...He He He!! j/k

BA.

08-19-2006, 09:29 PM

I agree with the E85/propane/whatever engine conversion. I'd like to see that.

Also, about a possible big-brake story.....I for one would like to know the differences between some of the options out there by Baer, Wilwood, Stoptech, stock C5/C6, AP, etc. I mean, what materials or parts make a 13" kit from one different than another.
Actually TESTING them would be awesome, but, I'd settle for spec./material comparison.

Lowend

08-19-2006, 09:56 PM

I'd like to see some hardcore Auto-Xer coverage...
Maybe a story on Mike Maier ( http://www.maierracing.com/ ) or RS Racing's 2nd gen Camaro ( http://www.rsracing.com/ ). A story on the American Autocross series ( http://www.americanauto-x.com/ )

The C-Prepared Auto-X guys are really the ones pioneering the suspension stuff for everyone.

Stu Seitz

08-19-2006, 09:57 PM

I agree with most of the previous post in the thread, especially the E85 ideas. More apples to apples comparisons would be great, for example stopping distance between and Baer track kit, and a C4/C5 kit cobbled together from a scrap yard would be a great start. I understand you have to publish you findings is a somewhat slated way because of the companies that advertise in your magazine. But I believe you could find some way to say the one system is better then the other even if it is less expensive.

I don’t mean to offend people running a MII suspension, but just like *******s everyone has an opinion.

If I see another car featured in a magazine that is supposedly a track monster! That has a MII front sub and a drag racing four link I’m going to puke. Those systems are obviously dated and throwing C5/C6 parts at them will not fix the root problem. Why not feature cars that show real thought and innovation? No I’m not talking about how you can make an 1800 hp twin turbo SBF mustang that’s on 22’s. I’m talking about cars that have thought put into all the sub systems so the whole system works better. For example this car.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/08/FrontTurbosWithTiressmall-1.jpg
There is more info about this car over on CC.com but I think I have seen him post here on PT.com. This car is truly amazing, its street legal, more then track ready and he built it on his driveway. Again in my opinion, this car deserves to be on a cover more then anything Foose built. This car has served as a major motivation to me and I’m sure it would to others, if they only knew about it.

3rd and 4th gen tech would be awesome, as GM High Tech only has limited number of issues per year.

Real world dyno numbers; like with alternators and power steering pumps would be great too. Yes, I love being a fan boy of the LS series engine but really put an LS engine on a chassis dyno and not some slated dyno cell with a 60 degree intake temp.

Alright I’ll get off my pedestal and end my rant, I have had a couple drinks so sorry if my grammar is bad.

Lowend

08-19-2006, 09:59 PM

I mean come-on tell me these guys don't set the pro-touring trends
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LowBuckX

08-19-2006, 10:01 PM

Im also on board with the e85 build. I think more of a retro fit article detailing the whole thing with lots of side bars with tech for some one building a e85 specific engine from the ground up.

Id stick with classic cars and not modern EFI cars because the Enviro Nazis have the classics in their sights and If people start running Green fuels it would get them off our backs for a little while. And be a darn good perf fuel

chicane67

08-19-2006, 10:20 PM

How about ATS spindles vs. any after market a-arms. Gouldstrand mod vs. any after market a-arms. Perhaps doing proof positive tests of products that will work guaranteed regardless of manufacturer or PHR sponsors. Please don't take that as a negative hit. I'd like you to be the first mag to be bold when it comes to testing products. In turn, those companies that create products will be encouraged to make items that will defiantly work not just look good. No fluffy BS just hold 'em to the fire.
....And do it with real instrumentation.... no GPS related crap. Ya know, be the one to create the standard for testing so that things can be repeated and actually comparable, because of the testing standard.

If you want to keep your readers interested..... bring the tech. Go back and look at the early 90's "Circle Track and Racing Technology" magazine. They were filled with tech that presented the theories and then had articles and testing to back them up...... yup, you got it..... REAL data. Dont worry about throwing things into a 'lame-mans' explaination, dump as much information onto your reader as possible . The reason it brings people into the article is that it explains things and makes people think, it doesnt just give a stated opinion. Not to mention that this hobby has grown by leaps and bounds, but, so have the people in it. If they dont get it, they will search out the answers..... and all the "talk" will be generated from your articles.

Pick an advertiser from the back of your mag and do an article on what they do and provide. Throw them a little payback for the obsurd monies they pay just to have a little 3x3, back page blurb.

Cryogenic, REM, isotropic, hardcoat, flamespray, JetHot, ceramic, anodizing...... any and all of the above. That would be an easy, informational based series of articles that really havent been specifically explained. To include the actual process and what each of them can and should be used for... etc.

How about some aerodynamic stuff ??

Wiring stuff is a great idea as previously stated......

Autocross, like the event in Topeka......

Damn True

08-19-2006, 10:29 PM

Pair up a couple of feature cars with a couple of very good suspension/alignment tuners.

Maybe Alcino with some super-stud auto-x guy, and someone else with a handling engineer from some race team and send them out.

Show baseline lap-times and g-box data. Then detail where the deficiencies in the system are and go through the correct flowchart for correcting them.

Loose in? more/less of X
Loose middle? more/less Y
Loose off? more/less Z

etc and show, with the same average guy driving how much improvement can be gained by adjustments to ride height, tire pressures, shock adjustments, swaybar adjustments etc. and show the correct way to do them.

I think auto-x is a fantastic sport. It is really accesible to every reader regardless of how stock or modified their car is......and there are a damn sight more auto-x venues available to your readers than open-track opportunities.

Hell, you could do a year-long series on just that.

Other than that, I'd like to see installs done driveway style. I think that Joe-average isn't well served by seeing how it's done in a fully equiped shop with a lift and every special tool there is. That guy needs to know how to do it with his basic Craftsman tools, jackstands and a little help from a couple bro's.

I'd also like to see a bunch of safety related stuff. Geez, how many feature cars are in Primedia mags every year that have tons of performance potential but lack basic safety equipment or have the equipment installed incorrectly?

Cage design specific to a handling car vs a drag car.
Explaination of what seats are apporpriate to what activities and what the ratings mean.
Correct harness installation.
Fire system install.
Battery/fuel cutoff switches.

Coverage of Bonneville, El Mirage, Auto-x, The SCCA runoffs, NASA American Iron and CMC etc.

vintageracer

08-20-2006, 05:47 AM

Hey, if you guys would stop buying the stuff they would stop advertising it.. :lmao:

I guess "performance" really does sell in this market segment!

Steve1968LS2

08-20-2006, 06:10 AM

Lots of good ideas and many of them are one's I've pushed for in the past (fire system, cage design, proper harness, coating tech).. a few are ones I never thought of so thanks.

Like the E85 deal, only issue around here is that only ONE E85 station exists in all of CA.. just one. How pathetic is that? Still, I will run it up the flagpole.

hdesign

08-20-2006, 06:35 AM

The E85 story could actually be a great opportunity from every point of view the more I think of it. As long as it doesn't sound like a preachy "save the whales" article(s), it's a win/ win situation I think.

1. Short term goal: It introduces and familiarizes readers with the technology (compare a similar budget conventional fuel set up) Real world Pros/Cons to both.

2. Long term goal: The more car guys that get on board and demand more E85 stations, the more supply will come to meet demand....especially in CA. (What a total shock there aren't more E85 stations in the politically "greenest" state in the country)

3. Bonus: If people start seeing that our performance cars are actually "greener" vehicles than the average commuter vehicle...the political stigma of hotrodding may change. (Less legislators trying to destroy our hobby.)

Possible Results:
Possible performance gains
New aftermarket segments
Better public image (not that most of us really care)
Increased infrastructure to meet demand
GM kisses our butts for promoting a concept they are pioneering
PHR takes credit for performance fuel revolution (????)
Annoying politicians leave us alone

formula

08-20-2006, 07:06 AM

you know what I wanna see? Firestone developed some air springs back in like 2002 that had an external valving thingy that allowed spring rate to rise as ride height dropped. I wanna know how those worked, if they're still around, and why they aren't all over the air spring market right now.

I also think a real world comparison between, say, the DSE quadralink and LD 3-link would be sick.

shep

08-20-2006, 07:24 AM

E85 conversion artical would be nice. Driveway builds would be nice as well.

BA.

08-20-2006, 07:47 AM

Turbo T

08-20-2006, 09:46 AM

This may not seem like such a great idea to the veterans of PT, but I will begin building up my first PT car in the near future, and I think I represent a lot of the younger/inexperienced crowd getting to this hobby that only know what we've been able to research on the internet or by drooling over high-dollar magazine features.

The problem is that a lot of that stuff doesn't translate into real-world performance. For instance... if you believe the advertising slogans, the key to having a great handling car is to put the stiffest possible sway bars, springs, shocks, bushings, control arms, head rests, carpet, and air fresheners on it, when that isn't always the case. As a result, lots of people at my age or experience level go out and buy a "Stage 12 Hardcore XXL Type-R" polyurethane bushing kit or 4" drop spindles and a massive sway bar, throw it on their POS car, and end up with something that's unpredictable and unsafe to drive at any rate of speed.

Honestly, that's what's kept me away from the PT concept for the last 5 years or so... I have no idea where to begin, and the right way to build a good foundation for a PT car. I'm not looking for dumbed-down "tires are for grip, and brakes are for stopping" tech, but maybe a broad overview of the theory behind performance suspension and handling, and what are the important first mods to make before dumping $1200 on a coil-over set-up... and that Stage 12 Hardcore XXL Type-R bushing kit.

BTW, I think it's pretty kickass that PHR is actually asking it's readers what they want. Keep it up!

phonedude_mln

08-20-2006, 10:26 AM

I agree: E85 stories would be great. or any alternative fuel conversion (hydrogen, biodiesel)

for example, here is a Ford cobra 427 converted to run on hydrogen:

http://www.clean-air.org/Hydrogen%20Cobra%20Story/Hydrogen%20Cobra.htm

in the mid 70s, everyone thought performance was dead b/c of low octane, unleaded fuel.
look where we are now.

instead of spending big $ on a new engine, what if on the next rebuild of your existing
engine, you could small $ and convert to another fuel? and would going to the 1 lcoal
station that carries it be any different than going to the airport for 110 AV gas?

find an alternative fuel convention/rally/expo/whatever and enter a primedia
or just PHR 69 camaro. great exposure for the magazine, hobby, and it would prove
you don't have to look like a dork to cruise "green"....

e.g:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars_trucks/1266496.html?page=1&c=y

Steve Chryssos

08-20-2006, 11:24 AM

II Much!!!!!!!!

USAZR1

08-20-2006, 12:40 PM

Lots of excellent idea being floated around. Another suggestion would be a how-to article on correctly fitting bigger rolling stock with detailed info on deciphering backspacing and offset numbers.

69rs

08-20-2006, 01:36 PM

More 69 Camaros!

69rs

08-20-2006, 01:37 PM

II Much!!!!!!!!
page 56, October issue.

Ralph LoGrasso

08-20-2006, 02:16 PM

Colvindesign

08-20-2006, 02:39 PM

How about a SBC and SBF build up article to get 30 mpgs and 300 hp?

Maybe a Mod motor Ford and a LSX would be needed but I think it'd be really cool to have a 30mpg 300 Hp early 70's Firebird or like a 69-70 Mustang Coupe.

The 800+ hp articles are really cool and all, but I'd be happier with a 72 Firebird Esprit converted to a LS1 (and 6 speed) with free flow exhaust and intake that gets 30 mpg. Plus you can do a Air bag suspension on it, a brake upgrade using late model parts and upgrade the seats/seat belts and so on. If done smart, it can be done for 10-12k, and be a killer ride. Add in a few bucks (or freebie) for wheels and tires and maybe you can put some 18 and 20 inch Wheel Vintique pontiac styled wheels under it. Maybe you can find a wrecked late model T/A or Z28 and buy it and swap all the needed parts, selling the old parts.... I think it'd be cool. I think using the wrecked car would add a bit to the story, because a lot of people wonder what they could do with a wrecked _______ and their ________ in the garage. I have a 1993 4cyl mustang and wish sometimes I could buy one of those wrecked late model GT's or cobras I see on ebay, but live in an apartment so it's not possible right now. I don't think I am the only one who has ever had this thought.

But I think I should have the car since I thought of it ;)

TBART70

08-20-2006, 03:22 PM

Some seat articles and seat belts would be nice. How about how bad after market sheet metal fits, and what to do about it. Who's is junk and who's is ok and why. Tire test, the new goodyear carbon fiber, is it worth it.

Steve Chryssos

08-20-2006, 04:27 PM

page 56, October issue.

Naw, I mean the whole car.

DeepBlue68

08-20-2006, 04:32 PM

Here's my suggestions (which have already been stated by others):

- Safey series - I have been wanting something on this forever. Cages/roll bars, fire suppression, seats, harnesses, plus smaller stuff (safety wire, etc.)

- More articles on hardcore race cars. I remember one a few years ago of a 1st gen Camaro (I think) that was black and had a huge spoiler on the back. Granted, I wasn't a huge fan of the spoiler, but you can't argue that it wasn't a bad a** of a car. More articles on cars like that

- Article just on seats (Recaro, Corbeau, Sparco, plus more affordable stuff like Summit/Jegs, etc.). Cover comfort, adjustability, features, wear, etc.

- Article on gauges/instrumentation. Cover brands, which gauges do you need to have and those you don't, how to install them, electric vs. mechanical, etc.

- More articles on build-it-yourself stuff - like how to build a custom center console, some engine bay bracing, or maybe some more info on how to do various types of welding (structural, bodywork, etc.).

That's all I can think of right now :dunno:

Turbo T

08-20-2006, 05:12 PM

This book, written by one of our moderators [Tony Huntimer] is exactly what you're looking for:

http://www.racehome.com/books.htm

Thanks! Just picked up a copy.

DJ Mabe

08-20-2006, 06:48 PM

I think this one is a winner. How about an article on a carb to EFI swap with a 351W SBF and a 350 SBC. You can give hp gains, driving impressions etc... I wouild even be willing to let you guys use my car for the swap.:jump:

Big $$$

08-20-2006, 06:58 PM

Do an article on how to balance front to back weight. Try to see if

50/50 can be accomplished. Also see if muscle cars aerodynamic

problems can helped. For the weight try movin stuff, adding stuff to

help balance it. Ideas??? Rear mounted vette transaxle, speaker

boxes? inset aluminum engines Thats part of the reason the euros

often times beat us because of balance...

Jaxx

08-20-2006, 07:02 PM

How about..............how Baer brakes is making a killing at selling brake kits with a cheap pbr floating caliper? Ha, ha! No really, how about a no bs comparison on brakes? How about a story about real (not stinky rich) guys that cut up mopars to do pro-touring/g-machine projects? Don't know any?

Jaxx

08-20-2006, 07:17 PM

One more thing....I really enjoy the P-tour articles. More tech info, please! Hey, how about you get all those high dollar guys together and put them on a track for some put up or shut up? 0 to 100 to 0, skid pad, track times................yeah right!

ssdeuce

08-20-2006, 07:27 PM

A guy from another message board races in Mexico in the La Carrera Panamericana.http://www.panamrace.com/ (http://www.panamrace.com/) He had a 1964 Chevy II that he raced for years until last year when he flipped 8 times. Now he is building a 1954 Studebaker with a Metric Monte Carlo frame. Maybe you would want to do a story about that.

DarkBuddha

08-20-2006, 08:30 PM

I subscribe to 10 magazines, and often buy 2 or 3 more a month, including a couple british titles. Not one of 'em consistently does the stuff I'm going to mention here (maybe Practical Classic is closest). So here are some ideas...

1) Do a proper budget build, starting with a realistic $2500 starter car and do as much as you can for another $7500-$10K. My reasoning for this is that this is what young starter guys need, which is what the hobby needs to keep going. Be honest about prices, be honest about the labor, be honest about what most folks will have to pay to have done, be honest about starting performance, projected performance, and the actual peformance reality. Use budget parts, OEM wheels, u-pull-it parts, and imagination. Show folks how much reliable fun can be had for $10k driver.

1a) or do a build based on a realistic schedule and monthly budget. Maybe like something like $500 per month, plus or minus, over 2 years. I loved Project G28, but you guys pulled that off in less than a year. That kind of thing is inspirational, but not durational. How many projects lose heart because they can't be the "now"?

2) Do some real budget tech articles, including u-pull-it part sourced stuff, like high amp alternator conversions, brake conversions, powersteering conversions, seat conversions, turbo conversions, etc. Put DIY labor type stuff ahead of buy-and-bolt-on stuff. Get folks back to being practical, creative, innovative, and having coin in their pocket for gas.

3) No "armchair mechanic" tech articles... I've rarely seen an article in the last 10 years in any magazine that was worthy of getting greasy finger prints on it while doing a project. Remember when a suspension article actually gave you enough info to use it as an actual reference while torquing the upper arms?

4) Build something alternative to a GM product. I've got nothing against GM products, but they're a bit privileged in terms of support, expense, resources, etc. (heck, look at the number of BOPs running Chevy motors). Try building a '70s Mopar or AMC or FLM product. Or even a cool 4 door friend hauler.

5) Do tech articles about attention to detail and straight up labor. Detailing, rattle-can resto, interior rehab, etc.

6) Gone racing, gone roadtripping, gone cruising stories... more stuff about guys actually out enjoying their cars rather than just building 'em. Become the magazine for drivers, not just builders.

7) Do an article about budget but fun daily drivers and how to build 'em a bit for more fun and style. I know lots of younger guys can't afford payments on a new truck and the requisite insurance, in addition to the coin needed to build a p-t project. You've gotta have a way to get your fix while the project just isn't there yet. Like I bought a 60K mile Merkur XR4Ti for $1200 to tide me over while my Mach is on blocks. Show some fun, cheap, reliable options for a dd/beater/parts chaser. '70s-'80s pickups, used pre '88 V8 Mustangs and F-bodies, turbo Dodges, ex-cop car sedans. Keep it domestic, but be cool about which wheels push or pull the car.

I guess you can see a trend in my suggestions. Younger guys wanna be involved, build cars, and have fun driving 'em, but they get lost in the "keeping up with the check writers" syndrome and lose heart or perspective when they can't make drag week, Power Tour, or a Year One bash. And with home prices skyrocketting, insurance costs outta sight, wages stagnant, gas prices climbing, etc., "young guy" now includes folks well into their 30's, not just folks between 18-25. And lets face it, as boomers start to retire, their income is dropping as well, so they can appreciate the budget fun articles too. And get back to driving the cars... get 'em out on the streets and to the track. Drag, auto-x, road race, standing mile, open road, cruises, roadtrips, hill climbs, etc. Damn, that sounds fun!

Thanks for listening.

OHCbird

08-20-2006, 10:54 PM

Steve- I really like the direction of PHR these days; you guys are have had the balls to reach a market that has always been there, and have helped expand it. I'm also a big fan of actually showing the owners of the vehicles (despite privacy issues). It's a bit of self-affirmation seeing yourself there with your creation. Kudos to you for thinking of the people behind our hobby, and not just the machines.

That said...

How about articles on something other than 40+ y/old V-8s, and the LSX series? If someone is building a LSX series, I'd say that they're pointed toward LS1tech.net within their first 10 minutes of ownership. Great engines, love 'em. getting tired of the relatively same article over and over in most of the mags.

OK- I'm biased, but how about the 4.2 Vortech I6? It's basically a bigger Ecotec (of which there is/ isnt enough press). Want power potential? John Cunningham's Chevy II wagon (Hot Rod Drag Week)making 1350+hp on 22psi. How about my '68 Firebird making 850-900 hp (projected) on a smaller turbo. Supras do it with 3.0 liters, Skylines do it with even less (2.8). These are regarded as fast cars, correct? If one can get past the "an Amurican car should sound like ______" bs, there's alot to be had in these engines. Sound becomes irrelevant when you get your ass whipped by something lighter and faster.

I'd be glad to do a long-term write-up of my project if anyone was interested.

Same deal with the Ecotec- I'm not saying do a blinged out Cobalt, just something that is flat out fast. Maybe a Turbo'd Solstice would do (hey- you could use mine for that, too). Maybe a T-bucket / Rod with coilovers running a boosted Ecotec (on E85- GM sponsorship?), or a Chevy II... something along those lines. I guess I'm saying lets take a look at what some guys are making on both ends of the build spectrum.

Beside- AK Miller would be proud.

How about a 'real cost' breakdown article? Is this too scary for sponsors? I think one of the best things you can do is show just how much various levels of build & finish will cost, rather than just stating it in a blurb or a sidebar.

How about a "Reader Writes" section that gives a reader / builder a chance to express things in his own terms (re: un-edited, or not at all). The only guidelines: Be honest, no bashing for anger's sake, and no 'hate' comments.

Rolling_Thunder

08-20-2006, 11:04 PM

not to be the oddball of the group - how about something Mopar suspension related...

novanutcase

08-20-2006, 11:12 PM

Personally, I would like to see an article on suspension concepts and how a novice can setup a suspension from scratch along with the varying factors that go into it. Most importantly ride height and wheel width which, at least in my case, are the bane of my existence as far as what I would like to do with my project. I know that there is much that goes into this subject but at least some expalnation as to how both front and rear work along with there relation to each other. Also, the difference in setting up a drag car versus a road racer. The above mentioned ideas are also great(E85, etc.) and I would love to see those too. I gotta say that ever since I got into this hobby it's pretty much all I think of and I love it and much of that goes to PHR and these forums.

go-fish

08-21-2006, 04:26 AM

I am intrested in learning about cryo. Also, for those 4 or so page you need to fill, how about just putting babes in bikinis in there. That would be SWEEEET!!! Relly though, how many guys would like some input on building an adjustable front spoiler and learn how and why it works, what angle it needs to be at, etc.

JoshStratton

08-21-2006, 05:48 AM

Hows about how NOT to get screwed when buying a project car:

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21830

Colvindesign

08-21-2006, 05:55 AM

I have seen a lot of questions about aerodynamics. How about getting a real expert to lay it out in understandable terms instead of a article full of equations that no one wants to work out. Like how the angle of the windshield creates more or less downforce at low speeds and more or less drag at high speeds. Cd, downforce, lift, turbulance, high and low pressure, etc. Along with an explanation of different tricks to change aerodynamics, front spoilers, air dams, underbody trays, wings spoilers, wickers venturi tunnels and vortex generators.

I think this would be very popular, plus you can tell the 40 year old hot rodder exactly why the 2 foot tall wing on the back of that dorks civic is not really functional, and what to say to that dork when you pull up next to him.

I can see it now "did you know that abomonation on your trunklid that you call a wing produces more drag than downforce and hurts your top end not to mention your gas mileage?"

Kid in the civic...." yeah, well.......BWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....20 mph, speed shift to second, BWUUUAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH,
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH you get the idea.

BRIAN

08-21-2006, 06:48 AM

Alright, you asked for opinions and I simply gave mine. No reason to "Thank Me" for anything.

If I am the only person that simply does not want to pay for a mag to only get the exact info, renderings, and features that are available for free right here than I guess I am the only one being honest.

If you find an interesting car or project from the site that is great but I am sorry after a while it gets to almost be the same thing over and over. It gets even worse when you have guys writting the same articles that appear to be straight from these pages.

Yours is one of the few mags I do buy because most of the articles are current and I can relate to them. Not really sure why you took my input to heart but??? Non harm meant at all. I simply hate seeing the same stuff when there is so much more that can be covered. There are some killer rides and projects from here that also would fit as they are kind of in the background. The F'Bird with the turbo straight 6 is as alternative as you get and he hasn't posted a million pics of his build all over the net as far as I know.

Like I listed in my first post, Pricing and comparisons with no excuses to protect the Mfg's.

BonzoHansen

08-21-2006, 08:20 AM

There are lots of good stuff already listed here. I have a more simple request. This is kind of one of them stupid and unglamorous things, but I’d love to see a true muffler compare. Flow rates, db levels. Add cats to that too. And don't sugar coat it for sponsors.

2) Do some real budget tech articles, including u-pull-it part sourced stuff, like high amp alternator conversions, brake conversions, powersteering conversions, seat conversions, turbo conversions, etc. Put DIY labor type stuff ahead of buy-and-bolt-on stuff. Get folks back to being practical, creative, innovative, and having coin in their pocket for gas.

3) No "armchair mechanic" tech articles... I've rarely seen an article in the last 10 years in any magazine that was worthy of getting greasy finger prints on it while doing a project. Remember when a suspension article actually gave you enough info to use it as an actual reference while torquing the upper arms?

5) Do tech articles about attention to detail and straight up labor. Detailing, rattle-can resto, interior rehab, etc.
Sure. That ain’t going to happen. Maybe I’m getting pretty jaded, but most articles are not much more than multi-page advertisements anymore. I used to really look forward to Super Chevy. Now, it’s like reading a catalog – I think they are the worst offender, and I hope the new editor fixes it fast. And they are not alone in this. All the mags are doing this to some level. Maybe I’d pay more than $8 for a 2 year subscription if it were less catalog like and more car-centered.

Hell, my fav rag is getting to be Hemmings Muscle Machines because most of their articles don’t sell me something (and I love the wide array of cars & the pics). And I pay more than $8 for 2 years on that one. PHR’s monthly extended tech article is very nice too – I like PHR and find it least offensive in regards to shilling. HR is doing a nice, but way too simple, paint & body series. At least they gave me a free hat. (actually, so did Hemmings) Where is my PHR free hat? :)

6) Gone racing, gone roadtripping, gone cruising stories... more stuff about guys actually out enjoying their cars rather than just building 'em. Become the magazine for drivers, not just builders.I love this idea, even if it just a simple monthly column. Maybe with a guest writer every month. The motoring life, if you will. Fantastic idea.

Damn True

08-21-2006, 08:37 AM

Third on the motoring travelouge type thing. Tons of interesting ways to do this one.

Corner weight a car and adjust.

Scott Parkhurst

08-21-2006, 09:20 AM

nancejd

08-21-2006, 04:27 PM

How about an article on how to tune a leaf spring suspension? Start with picking springs, move on to shocks, and then go on to all of the little stuff that can be done to adjust one. I bet the bulk of the guys out there would love to put a non-stock style suspension in their car, but they just can't afford it.

Kenova

08-21-2006, 07:07 PM

Well, here's my 2 cents (CDN)....
E-85 - I'd also like to see some stories on this. Take an engine, any engine, that is currently running on gas. Convert it over to E-85 and compare performance and mileage. Then optimize it to take full advantage of E-85's higher octane.

Handling - I like True's idea of a series of articles on how to tune your supension for auto-x or even open track days.

Brakes - I'd like to see a story on how to cram as much brakeing power as possible in behind a 15" wheel. There are still a few people out there that would preffer to keep their smaller wheels.

Seat belts - A lot of cars out there were built without seatbelts and many more have had them removed. Any car over twenty years of age are probably ready for new belts. Where do you get them? How about upgradeing to a decent shoulder harness? What to watch out for when installing them.

That's all for now...
Ken

StRacerDuke

08-21-2006, 07:17 PM

Just a quick blurb to those who are very interested in learning more on the E-85. If you do some research over at turbomustangs.com I believe Trent (one of the founders/mods) is doing real world testing on a twin turbo SN-95 that was converted to E-85. I think they just dyno'ed it at over 1,000 hp and have been running it on the street with E-85 for over 9 months now with no issues.

Just a heads up if your interested in doing some extra research yourself on it.

DarkBuddha

08-21-2006, 08:54 PM

Sure. That ain’t going to happen. Maybe I’m getting pretty jaded, but most articles are not much more than multi-page advertisements anymore. I used to really look forward to Super Chevy. Now, it’s like reading a catalog – I think they are the worst offender, and I hope the new editor fixes it fast. And they are not alone in this. All the mags are doing this to some level. Maybe I’d pay more than $8 for a 2 year subscription if it were less catalog like and more car-centered.
Yep... I completely agree, but I had to put it out there. I too am tired pseudo-catalog rags (cough, Primemedia, cough, cough), even at $8-$18 for a 2 year subscription. I'm likely to let several of 'em lapse even if it will leave me jones'ing for my dose of car porn unless something chages.

Steve1968LS2

08-22-2006, 06:56 AM

I am truly amazed at one thing. Nitto Tires keeps buying the back cover and ya'll do not give them squat as far as coverage about their products and vast offerings of tires performance cars. But I guess engine builds and head stories are more interesting?

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/0511phr_nitto_nt01_r_compound_tire_test/

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/0509phr_1976_chevy_camaro_nitto_nt555r2_tire_insta ll/
:jump:

But I agree.. more tire tech would be good..

Steve1968LS2

08-22-2006, 07:05 AM

II Much!!!!!!!!

:twothumbs

Steve1968LS2

08-22-2006, 07:19 AM

Alright, you asked for opinions and I simply gave mine. No reason to "Thank Me" for anything.

If I am the only person that simply does not want to pay for a mag to only get the exact info, renderings, and features that are available for free right here than I guess I am the only one being honest.

If you find an interesting car or project from the site that is great but I am sorry after a while it gets to almost be the same thing over and over. It gets even worse when you have guys writting the same articles that appear to be straight from these pages.

... I simply hate seeing the same stuff when there is so much more that can be covered. There are some killer rides and projects from here that also would fit as they are kind of in the background. The F'Bird with the turbo straight 6 is as alternative as you get and he hasn't posted a million pics of his build all over the net as far as I know.

Like I listed in my first post, Pricing and comparisons with no excuses to protect the Mfg's.

The people on PT.com (and lat-g.net) are only TINY part of our readership.. They haven't seen cars from here and most likely never would. To shun the cars here simply becuase they are here would be silly.

If we ignored the tech found on the web our pages would be blank.. or maybe filled with bikini girls.. hmmm.. not a bad idea after all ;)

We cover alternative projects as we find them.. Alcinos Mustang II and we just found a '65 Buick with a new turbo V6 grand national engine in it..

Steve1968LS2

08-22-2006, 07:22 AM

PHR ran an awesome article on E-85 and how to convert to it in the May '02 issue.

It was impeccably researched and eloquently written, and really delivered the facts on this new fuel way before anyone had really even heard of it.

Oh, wait...I wrote that.

Well, it was an okay story. But, it was way ahead of its time, and the facts are still valid. Look it up if ya can.

~SP~

That was a good story.. and most likely why we have at least one E85 station in the state.. one?? here in Hippy land.. go figure.. lol

Love the E85 deal.. just gotta figure out how to package it.. hmmm

JoshStratton

08-22-2006, 07:43 AM

Love the E85 deal.. just gotta figure out how to package it.. hmmm

Make your own.

http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/

jaybee

08-22-2006, 07:58 AM

New guy here, but I'll second the suggestion to look at tuning a stock-style suspension for maximum performance. It should be obvious that you can get a lot out of a well-tuned, custom-built multilink suspension, but there's a lot left in a stock chassis compared to how they came out of the factories 30-40 years ago.

One thing about it though, it should be indepth enough to say "we made this change, it did this to the performance, here's why." If you gloss it over with "we spent a day at the track, spun a lot of wrenches, and picked up 'X' performance" it does nothing to teach the average enthusiast how to get better results out of his own ride.

BonzoHansen

08-22-2006, 08:09 AM

Brakes - I'd like to see a story on how to cram as much brakeing power as possible in behind a 15" wheel. There are still a few people out there that would preffer to keep their smaller wheels.

Seat belts - A lot of cars out there were built without seatbelts and many more have had them removed. Any car over twenty years of age are probably ready for new belts. Where do you get them? How about upgradeing to a decent shoulder harness? What to watch out for when installing them.

That's all for now...
KenAmen. Especially rear seatbelts!

JoshStratton

08-22-2006, 04:51 PM

Seat belts - A lot of cars out there were built without seatbelts and many more have had them removed. Any car over twenty years of age are probably ready for new belts. Where do you get them? How about upgradeing to a decent shoulder harness? What to watch out for when installing them.

I will 3rd that one! Great idea.

Big $$$

08-22-2006, 04:51 PM

:lurk: How about how to swap a Ford into a Chevy:slap: :rotfl:

Steve1968LS2

08-22-2006, 05:11 PM

:lurk: How about how to swap a Ford into a Chevy:slap:

Are you trying to put us out of business???? :getout:
:rotfl:

Steve1968LS2

08-22-2006, 05:12 PM

And I just want to say thanks for all the ideas. I just turned in a pretty large list of story ideas and many of the ones here were on that list.

No guarantee that they will be greenlighted, but it's there.

Thanks again!

novanutcase

08-22-2006, 05:23 PM

element180

08-22-2006, 06:00 PM

1.In depth aftermarket ECU comparrison such as BigStuff3 vs Autronic vs Accel DFI vs AEM EMS vs Electromotive.Stuff like ease of tuning,in depth feature comparrison,pros & cons of each (other than just price)
2.Sway bar shootout testing adjustable bars such as the HPR adjuatable unit vs say...the JBL Motorsports electronically adjustable
3.A how-to on making your own adjuatible bars
4.Maybe an in depth look at the different types of rear suspension (4-link,tri 4-link,satchell link,3-link).I'm think of a how it works and why approach rather than the typical overview and what's in the box look at each one
5.Maybe what size brakes fit what size wheels.You could gather a bunch of different 17,18 & 19" wheels and see who's brake kits fit each size such as 13/14/15" rotors,dif brands of 4 & 6 piston calipers

The 60's Trans Am Camaros,Firebirds and Mustangs are just begging to be written about in detail for the original modifications that were done for racing.I mean detail,too.Not just a cursory glance but a series of articles that explore the cars in depth
I'd love to see that as well

The E85 story could actually be a great opportunity from every point of view the more I think of it. As long as it doesn't sound like a preachy "save the whales" article(s), it's a win/ win situation I think.

1. Short term goal: It introduces and familiarizes readers with the technology (compare a similar budget conventional fuel set up) Real world Pros/Cons to both.

2. Long term goal: The more car guys that get on board and demand more E85 stations, the more supply will come to meet demand....especially in CA. (What a total shock there aren't more E85 stations in the politically "greenest" state in the country)

3. Bonus: If people start seeing that our performance cars are actually "greener" vehicles than the average commuter vehicle...the political stigma of hotrodding may change. (Less legislators trying to destroy our hobby.)

Possible Results:
Possible performance gains
New aftermarket segments
Better public image (not that most of us really care)
Increased infrastructure to meet demand
GM kisses our butts for promoting a concept they are pioneering
PHR takes credit for performance fuel revolution (????)
Annoying politicians leave us alone
What he said :twothumbs

JMarsa

08-22-2006, 07:09 PM

How about a coil-over comparison. Or a good article about good shocks, not the ones you buy at the corner parts store.

I also like these:

- coatings,
- CBB
- seats/proper mounting/restraints
- weight distribution
- 10, 20, 50, 100 (you pick) Tips on things not to waste you money on

And my pet peeve, how about no 1st gen (anything) in 2007. Given the prices these cars (Camaros, Mustangs, Nova's Corvettes) have appreciated to, they are out of reach for the average enthusiast. Try some more affordable late 70's-90's cars.

--JMarsa

michael6372

08-22-2006, 09:45 PM

how about a how to series for the first time car builder. how to decide what to build and how to build it for form and function. when i started to build my first car i didn't have any experience with cars and got most of my info and ideas from the mags. it's hard to try to build a car on a tight budget and not lose interest after a few years.
what to look for in a project vehicle so you don't get ripped off. some basic things like wiring. maybe a tire test between nitto, goodyear etc. for all around performance from drags to a road course. how about a test to see the performance difference between wheel sizes(17,18,19,20 inch wheels). test different products for example: test air ride techs air over leaf system for performance and handling and compare it to some of their other systems. i like the idea of a coil-over test. just my two cents( if it's worth that much). maybe feature my car? can't blame me for trying!!

Stu Seitz

08-22-2006, 10:05 PM

Try some more affordable late 70's-90's cars.

I understand where you are coming from, as I am a college student and I’m stoked when find a quarter on the ground, but I think you need to take stock in what you are asking for.

First off, affordable 70 - mid/late 80's power plants, which perform and still meet smog? Good luck, check out g/28, and what, I think was an over a 7000 dollar engine that didn’t make much power because of smog (CA smog?). I think people just need to educate themselves on EFI; its better now and it will be better in the long run.

Yeah the LT1/LT4’s and LT5’s were great engines, which made great power for there day, but the price of swapping an LS engine is getting close to building up a SBC or swapping and LT1. And that’s just the power plant.

With today’s chassis (90-2006) do you really think that it is more cost effect to start of with a dated chassis and modify it to compete with today’s, already more capable cars? Would I like to see a Vega tear up a road course? Hell yeah, but that could get really costly; especially when you’re up against a stock corvette.

I do not mean this post to be a personal attack, and I am not questioning you’re intelligence, but have you ever looked at a 98-02 F-body or a non Z06 corvette. If you are really looking for the best bang for your buck, you should at least give some attention to these cars. As they can be had for really cheap, not to mention their aerodynamic and cornering advantage and they still can make power while still meeting smog.

Because of those reasons I would like to see more of these cars, rather then chassis from the 70’s, that so many other magazines feature **cough** fox/sn95**cough**.

/rant

Edit: How about more Grassroot Motorsports and less Super Chevy?

LowBuckX

08-22-2006, 10:46 PM

How about 4 wheel disc brakes with 13x1.25 inch rotors upfront for under $400 .. :yeah:

BonzoHansen

08-23-2006, 07:12 AM

…but have you ever looked at a 98-02 F-body or a non Z06 corvette. If you are really looking for the best bang for your buck, you should at least give some attention to these cars. As they can be had for really cheap, not to mention their aerodynamic and cornering advantage and they still can make power while still meeting smog. GM High Performance caters to newer cars. PHR is about older cars. At least that is what I expect from it.

…I'd be happier with a 72 Firebird Esprit converted to a LS1 (and 6 speed) with free flow exhaust and intake that gets 30 mpg...All of what he said. BTW, this reminds me, the recent article “Put An LSx in Anything’ only showed me how to buy parts. Real letdown on that one.

jy211

08-23-2006, 07:16 AM

what about doing stories on smaller no name/local shops? :poke:

Steve1968LS2

08-23-2006, 07:23 AM

GM High Performance caters to newer cars. PHR is about older cars. At least that is what I expect from it.

All of what he said. BTW, this reminds me, the recent article “Put An LSx in Anything’ only showed me how to buy parts. Real letdown on that one.

Yea, we do a few new cars.. not tooooo much.

The "put an LS2 into anything" was just a last moment supliment to the stock engine dyno story. Thought it would be good to show some of the stuff already on the market to support transplants of the newer mill. Can't say that I love what they named it though.

I am just starting to install my LS2 today and there will be a story that should be more detail and less "sales pitch". And while it will be "how to put an LS2 into a first gen Camaro" the basics apply to just about any car with things like where to tap in for oil pressure, temp, water and all that.

Steve1968LS2

08-23-2006, 07:25 AM

How about 4 wheel disc brakes with 13x1.25 inch rotors upfront for under $400 .. :yeah:

I would LOVE to do a "super cheap" brake story.. I think it would be fun and to be honest I don't think the big brake companies would mind since they know guys with $$$ will buy thier stuff because they want the best they can get.

KWIKND

08-23-2006, 07:45 AM

How about a LS based 5.3L build up/upgrade. I would think there are alot of these available.
Dan

BonzoHansen

08-23-2006, 09:14 AM

I am just starting to install my LS2 today and there will be a story that should be more detail and less "sales pitch". And while it will be "how to put an LS2 into a first gen Camaro" the basics apply to just about any car with things like where to tap in for oil pressure, temp, water and all that.
Can't wait.

How about a modern OE engine review? For instance, there are LS-derived motors in cars, trucks, SUVs, etc. What is the difference between them? I am talking physical attributes, like mounting bosses (how do the FWD 5.3 blocks differ?), parts ‘swappability’ (can I put LS6 heads or intake on a 5.3?), accessory locations (will the Monte 5.3 fit my 67 better because the AC is better located?), maybe year to year things (ie GM changed design of part A due to previous durability issues – think TPI with & w/o 9th injector) that the hot rodder should be aware of. Maybe with vin info for yard searches. I don’t need to know what SLP and World sell – their ads and websites do that for me; I want to know what GM made, which one I want for my application, and where to find it.

chet

08-23-2006, 10:21 AM

I sub to an australian 4wd mag and I like the way they do comparisons. They actually go out and BUY the products so the mfg does not know they are doing an article. that way you ar enot getting an item that has been triple checked to make sure its good before it gets to you. Go to a parts store and buy a carb and see how many have crap in them.

Also if a product sucks tell us. Screw the mfg. if their product sucks they need to fix it. maybe work with them to make it better? I want to here about the bad stuff to stay away from as much as the good stuff.

More articles on hopping up inline sixes.

Also throw a truck in the mag every once in a while! :D

MStennes

08-23-2006, 01:11 PM

Element180 I like your suggestion I also noticed you left out Holleys Commander 950 Pro wideband; 1.In depth aftermarket ECU comparrison such as BigStuff3 vs Autronic vs Accel DFI vs AEM EMS vs Electromotive.Stuff like ease of tuning,in depth feature comparrison,pros & cons of each (other than just price)

If I had that a year ago I wouldnt have wasted all my time on that 950 system. I would have gone LS2 sooner now its summer and I'm installing a LS7 guess it worked out better.
Anyway heres my idea start calling tech help lines and see which really help you on a "so called problem" or pass the back or leave you scratching your head when you hang up. :banghead: I can name a few who are totally worthless, when you ask for a superior you get the run around. Maybe if they saw it in print they might work to change it. See who leaves you on hold the longest hoping you will hang up. I have had some who go above and beyond to help you :1st: and others who just down right stink. I like the idea of buying your testing stuff and call it as you see it. I know of a few who have gotten stuff after tests only to wonder if it was the same product. How about real life gear ratio setups for power, economy?
Just a few.
Mike

Damn True

08-23-2006, 02:13 PM

Your post reminds me of a discussion we had nearly a year ago in which we discussed magazines taking on something of a role as consumer advocate as well.

[edit below]

...actually it was over on Lat-g, here is my post:

There are a few things Id like to see:

a) More emphasis on performance. For example, in this article http://popularhotrodding.com/features/0406phr_owen/ you guys emote about how fast the car is. Yet you never actually tell us HOW fast it is. Let's see some lap times. Perhaps a comparison between Owen's best time @ Laguna or Sears vs. GT1, GT2 or NASCAR? Sure he most likely wouldn't be faster, but it would ad some real nice insight into the quality of his build to see how close he is. Did a guy build a '98 Mustang to race in SCCA SoloII? Well, how's it run? Did a guy build a '55 Chevy drag car? How's it run? Don't just show me a nice paint job and give me his dyno numbers at the crank. Show me the end result of the total package. If possible, more, more, more track cars. There are tons of superbadass auto-x and open road racing machines that would be great to see in print. More go, less show.

b) More actual cost information. I think most of us would benefit from knowing how much stuff is REALLY going to cost us. Not only to purchase something, but to have it installed or dyno tuned. How much is it going to cost a REAL consumer (not magazine guys or connected guys with sponsorships who get "bro-deals") to do a basic strip & repaint, install an 8 point cage or the like. Now I know labor cost vary. But it wouldn't be that tough to forge an agreement with a few shops (one in SoCal, St. Louis and Phili perhaps) who could provide an average cost estimate for purchase and installation of a given gizmo or service. Include the cost estimates in a sidebar along with a disclaimer that costs vary based one location and quality/depth of work contracted for and you will do all of us regular guys and a lot of the shops a favor. I'm sure most shops would prefer to answer one call from you than 27 from consumers in their area about pricing.

c) Test more stuff. I think it would be very helpful to the consumer to see how well a given car, individual part or system works against stock or competitors products. The more performance comparisons the better. I think your readership would be well served by you, and the other mags for that matter, taking on more of a role as consumer advocate in terms of exposing what does and does not work. Which companies do and do not serve their customers well. For instance, if you are going to do an article on a new product from Procharger, don't call them and say "Hi, this is Steve from Popular Hot Rodding and blah, blah, blah." Call them as Joe Sixpack from Temecula and see what kind of service and delivery they provide in addition to how well their stuff works.
I understand it puts you guys in a tough spot as a commercial entity to call into question the quality of service or workmanship provided by a current or potential advertiser. Or to say how great brand "X" is when brand "Y" just bought a full page ad. But, if said advertisers knew going in that they would be held accountable by you it would raise the bar for all of them in terms of doing what they do, and doing it well. Not that car porn is all bad, I enjoy perving out on a great looking car or product as much as anyone else, but there is an opportunity to provide much more than that.

BonzoHansen

08-23-2006, 05:15 PM

..True..that gets back to how the rag makes $$. They aren't making it off my $10 for 2 years deal. So if they piss off the ad buyers, well, someone ain't getting paid.

Consumers Reports ain't cheap, but they got no ad support. (but people do donate money to their organization, which I find a bit odd).

TonyHuntimer

08-23-2006, 05:39 PM

This book, written by one of our moderators [Tony Huntimer] is exactly what you're looking for:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/08/bookcoversmall-1.jpg

http://www.racehome.com/books.htm

Thanks Ralph. I appreciate the support. :)

Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com

camaro608

08-23-2006, 05:55 PM

how about how my high school is building a 69 camaro drag car?

element180

08-23-2006, 06:41 PM

I also noticed you left out Holleys Commander 950 Pro wideband

I'd like to say I left it out on purpose or something but truthfully,I only listed the ones that popped into my head at the time :pat:

element180

08-23-2006, 07:04 PM

I also left out MoTeC,Haltech,MotoTron,FAST,Edelbrock,SDS EM-4,Wolf V500,TSI Pro Sequential,A'PEXi Power FC and I'm sure there are many I have'nt heard of not to mention all the piggy-back systems out there

ScotI

08-23-2006, 08:01 PM

Cheap big brakes w/back to back testing vs stock stuff.
Cheap (?) FI swaps from a running carb set-up.
More late model engine retro-fits & "how to do's" .
OD tranny comparisons (man & autos); swap-tech & tips.
Cooling system engineering (cooling better w/less).

I really enjoy the current articles & they would be even better w/some real performance #'s to show. Keep the cars & info real world.

Taking the time to quiz your 'peers' is a great idea & shows your devotion to our hobby. Thanks!

MStennes

08-24-2006, 05:26 AM

I'd like to say I left it out on purpose or something but truthfully,I only listed the ones that popped into my head at the time :pat:

LOL I thought it got left as you think the same of it as I do....:banghead:

bingham72

08-24-2006, 05:48 AM

See if you could walk into a swap meet/ car show with say $5k and walk out with all the parts for a running car.
Buy a shell over here, a motor over there, throw in a tranny, some cheap swap meet wheels and drive it home!

element180

08-24-2006, 10:56 AM

I'd like to see more PT trucks and older SUV's like a certain yellow '56 Suburban (can't remember who owns it) that I drool over everytime I see it

BonzoHansen

08-24-2006, 12:42 PM

Damn True

08-24-2006, 01:20 PM

I say yuck to trucks. CHP started running truck stories a year or two ago. Wasted pages IMO.

element180

08-24-2006, 01:38 PM

I say yuck to trucks. CHP started running truck stories a year or two ago. Wasted pages IMO.

I say :getout: to :screwy: people who say 'yuck to trucks' :razz:

Dan Sherwood

08-26-2006, 01:48 PM

I have not read all the pages, so if I duplicate, my apoligies.

After 3 car builds there are certainly some things I'd do different, and I'm sure several folks have had similar issues.

I think outlining how to buy your resto project was already covered, but I think maybe showing an outline on how to plan your resto would be helpful, especially so you don't duplicate something twice.

Givng some pointers on picking shops (if you're not doing it yourself) would be helpful, along with what might be reasonable costs and timeframes for the particular work the shop is doing.

One of my biggest downfalls was not having a specific game plan in mind, which helps with duplicating costs. I'm talking about setting out your performance goals, your asthetic goals and a reasonable budget for those.

I started with the idea of a decent rebuild for mostly street and worked into more performance oreinted stuff quickly, then more creature comforts, then upscale show quality, and back to more performance (suspension-brakes-horsepower), which then means you end up with parts from the first session being replaced by better parts that may well have been adequate for a street cruiser, but not a track warrior also. I've ended up with cars that do go down the dragstrip, make sessions on the road course and can drive on the street and cross country trips, although I'm sure there are some compromizes in there somewhere. Giving some info on how to narrow down selections for what type of build would sure save some $ up front. Example-4 piston wilwood dynalites may work fine for lighter cars or modest street duty, but don't expect them to cut it for multile sessions on a road course with a heavier car. A manual trans may be the shiznit for better mpg and "cool" in the latest trends, but at the dragstrip it will cost the typical driver some et, not to mention putting over 500hp in the car will usually result in substantial downtime (if pressed on a regular basis) for clutch or rearend repairs unless you spend some serious $ upfront for them. Giving the average Joe some info on lessons learned over time to save some dinero upfront should interest alot of folks. Kinda like telling them to go to this site and review all the posts. Helps alot!

I also like the idea of parts comparo a to b and the results. Thx!

Colvindesign

08-27-2006, 07:54 AM

Dan,

I've always looked at PHR as not so much the High Dollar builders mag, as more the DIYers mag. Granted, DIYers usually can't do it all, so helping find a shop is a good tip.

You have interesting points, but like you stated in your post, it comes down to proper planning. It sounds like you planned it one way (and bought the parts) then changed your mind. That can even happen if you do have it planned out in advance, and then somethig else catches your eye and you really want it, instead of what you already have.

Maybe next time, you should work with a Designer, and get going in the direction you want right from the start (hint hint).

DarkBuddha

03-22-2010, 05:17 PM

Funny... I was just doing a google search on something and this thread popped up. I'd totally forgotten about it since it's been nearly 4 years since it was started, but I think it deserves bump for discussion sake...

Steve1968LS2

03-22-2010, 08:03 PM

Wow.. this place just became the history channel! lol

I'm always open to story ideas though.. I need to get all these engine stories done so I can get back to some of the ideas I've been working on.

like fire systems.. tire tech.. roll center theory.. the sad part is I have more ideas then time.

David Pozzi

03-22-2010, 08:48 PM

the sad part is I have more ideas than time.
I can vouch for that!

A tire comparison or test would be nice.
Or test the effect of wider tires and wheels on a car.
How about just lowering a car and test for handling improvement?
Bumpsteer issues should be covered.
Roll centers is a good subject, but not something most guys would change on their cars. It is something they should understand though.

I'm liking the EzEFI system, it can also be used on a dual quad setup if you add another throttle body, I wonder how it would work on a Z/28 type cross ram?
Inglese also uses EzEFI on a weber carb looking setup with 8 injectors, this one would be nice!

Gitter Dun

03-22-2010, 09:02 PM

I'd like to see a control arm comparison, shock comparison, Bolt on rack and pinion comparison, sub frame comparison, etc.....etc.... anything suspension comparison.

pro-touringAK

03-22-2010, 09:17 PM

What about coming up to Juneau Alaska where there are no roads out and only about 50 miles of road from end to end. Then see what the car culture ie hot rods and mucle cars are like

pro-touringAK

03-22-2010, 09:18 PM

Oh I'm sure some fishing would be in order as well

Gitter Dun

03-22-2010, 09:20 PM

Pro Touring 4x4?

Takid455

03-23-2010, 11:40 AM

what about vintage speed/ suspension parts vs new stuff.

herb adams / HO racing F body items vs current items (pro touring f body, hatchkins, bmr, global west, dse, ect).

probably have an advertising war if their stuff gets beat. I think it would neat though.

I will say you are getting better providing articles on cars that dont have bowties or blue ovals or one of the 321,115 ways to build a 350 sbc.

what about a comparison on the EFI systems? big stuff 3, xfi, accel, megasquirt, ect. same engine/ vehicle, just switch systems. big task, but it would answer lots of questions.

Gitter Dun

03-23-2010, 01:03 PM

Who wouldn',t want to read about a DSE built car against a Global West car. Level the playing field with spec. motor, spec. shocks, spec. tires, spec. steering(box or rack). Drag the duel out with first starting out with the build of the cars, hell I'd volunteer my car as a mule so long as I could drive it in the duel, Then once the suspension components like control arms and subframes, etc. have been compared you could use the same cars to test tires, shocks, bolt on racks, springs, etc.

Samckitt

03-23-2010, 01:17 PM

What about a Cheap Big Brakes article and lets see just how good/bad a scratchbuilt big brake combo works on a real world car, for example c4 rotors on 1st gen drum spindles with an aftermarket disc caliper bracket with ls1 or corvette calipers. This will appeal to the gass roots type of hotrodder, like me. The 60's Trans Am Camaros, Firebirds and Mustangs are just begging to be written about in detail for the original modifications that were done for racing. I mean detail, too. Not just a cursory glance but a series of articles that explore the cars in depth.

I like that idea. Mainly because I went that route. Instead of Wilwood, Baer, etc. I went the GM route. C5 calipers & rotors on S10 Blazer spindles with a custom bracket in an 86 Monte SS.

Or how about a How-to on frame notching a G body rear for some wider tires? Something other than Camaro this, Camaro that. I know you guys use other cars besides just Camaros like alot of other mags. I plan on doing the frame notch one of these days. Got a good idea of what I am going to do, just need some time.

DarkBuddha

03-23-2010, 04:42 PM

I re-read my earlier post, and I think I was right on. It's still accurate, still all the stuff I really want to see done, and perhaps more appropriate than ever considering the economy now versus 4 years ago...

I subscribe to 10 magazines, and often buy 2 or 3 more a month, including a couple british titles. Not one of 'em consistently does the stuff I'm going to mention here (maybe Practical Classic is closest). So here are some ideas...

1) Do a proper budget build, starting with a realistic $2500 starter car and do as much as you can for another $7500-$10K. My reasoning for this is that this is what young starter guys need, which is what the hobby needs to keep going. Be honest about prices, be honest about the labor, be honest about what most folks will have to pay to have done, be honest about starting performance, projected performance, and the actual peformance reality. Use budget parts, OEM wheels, u-pull-it parts, and imagination. Show folks how much reliable fun can be had for $10k driver.

1a) or do a build based on a realistic schedule and monthly budget. Maybe like something like $500 per month, plus or minus, over 2 years. I loved Project G28, but you guys pulled that off in less than a year. That kind of thing is inspirational, but not durational. How many projects lose heart because they can't be the "now"?

2) Do some real budget tech articles, including u-pull-it part sourced stuff, like high amp alternator conversions, brake conversions, powersteering conversions, seat conversions, turbo conversions, etc. Put DIY labor type stuff ahead of buy-and-bolt-on stuff. Get folks back to being practical, creative, innovative, and having coin in their pocket for gas.

3) No "armchair mechanic" tech articles... I've rarely seen an article in the last 10 years in any magazine that was worthy of getting greasy finger prints on it while doing a project. Remember when a suspension article actually gave you enough info to use it as an actual reference while torquing the upper arms?

4) Build something alternative to a GM product. I've got nothing against GM products, but they're a bit privileged in terms of support, expense, resources, etc. (heck, look at the number of BOPs running Chevy motors). Try building a '70s Mopar or AMC or FLM product. Or even a cool 4 door friend hauler.

5) Do tech articles about attention to detail and straight up labor. Detailing, rattle-can resto, interior rehab, etc.

6) Gone racing, gone roadtripping, gone cruising stories... more stuff about guys actually out enjoying their cars rather than just building 'em. Become the magazine for drivers, not just builders.

7) Do an article about budget but fun daily drivers and how to build 'em a bit for more fun and style. I know lots of younger guys can't afford payments on a new truck and the requisite insurance, in addition to the coin needed to build a p-t project. You've gotta have a way to get your fix while the project just isn't there yet. Like I bought a 60K mile Merkur XR4Ti for $1200 to tide me over while my Mach is on blocks. Show some fun, cheap, reliable options for a dd/beater/parts chaser. '70s-'80s pickups, used pre '88 V8 Mustangs and F-bodies, turbo Dodges, ex-cop car sedans. Keep it domestic, but be cool about which wheels push or pull the car.

I guess you can see a trend in my suggestions. Younger guys wanna be involved, build cars, and have fun driving 'em, but they get lost in the "keeping up with the check writers" syndrome and lose heart or perspective when they can't make drag week, Power Tour, or a Year One bash. And with home prices skyrocketting, insurance costs outta sight, wages stagnant, gas prices climbing, etc., "young guy" now includes folks well into their 30's, not just folks between 18-25. And lets face it, as boomers start to retire, their income is dropping as well, so they can appreciate the budget fun articles too. And get back to driving the cars... get 'em out on the streets and to the track. Drag, auto-x, road race, standing mile, open road, cruises, roadtrips, hill climbs, etc. Damn, that sounds fun!

Thanks for listening.

Bjkadron

03-23-2010, 04:51 PM

Taman

03-23-2010, 05:13 PM

More Pro Touring cars! Everyone does drag racing and street rods.

Johnny Blaze

03-24-2010, 01:13 PM

I would like to see a how to article on saftey wire.

79-TA

03-24-2010, 01:45 PM

I can vouch for that!

A tire comparison or test would be nice.
Or test the effect of wider tires and wheels on a car.
How about just lowering a car and test for handling improvement?
Bumpsteer issues should be covered.
Roll centers is a good subject, but not something most guys would change on their cars. It is something they should understand though.

I'm liking the EzEFI system, it can also be used on a dual quad setup if you add another throttle body, I wonder how it would work on a Z/28 type cross ram?
Inglese also uses EzEFI on a weber carb looking setup with 8 injectors, this one would be nice!

Tests with isolated variables would be great! I'm tired of magazines throwing entire packages onto cars and then just doing a simple before and after comparison . . . suure the suspension components are great, but is it fair to test on completely different tires?

A simple tire test could be a great article, but I don't know how much you'd have to worry about appeasing magazine advertisers like Nitto.

Perhaps a good test of the available 200ish treadwear tires available in muscle car sizes could be done. IE 265 to 275 40 17. Car and Driver recently did a similar test, but some tires like the NT05 weren't available yet.

I'd suggest including:
Nitto NT05
Michelin PS2
BFG KDW2
Dunlop Direzza Z1 Sport Star Spec
Kumho Ecsta XS
Sumitomo HTRZ III
Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3

buickfunnycar.com

03-24-2010, 04:02 PM

...interviewing Mary Pozzi for an article (or series) on the art of auto-x from selecting the right car,suspension and car set-up,and raceday do's/don't's.

2) The evolution of the P-T car from the early days of Trans-Am to the present day...since they are what started this whole craze.

93Polo

03-25-2010, 05:21 PM

I would like to see someone build a smaller displacement (427 or 454) big block (everyone seems to be going 496"+) with efi and a hydraulic roller.

The goal would to be use some Brodix Race Rites or the new AFR 265s (small port high velocity) or 290s make 600hp at ~6,200 on pump gas be able to rev to 6,700 without much drop off, this is a pro-touring motor. I would also like to see it cruise at 1,700 in front of a T56 getting ~20mpg. Edelbrock claimed the Musi 555efi could get 19mpg. The efi of choice would be the new Holley or EFIconnection ls1 based pcm. Maybe take it on Power Tour and track the mileage.

81Nascar

03-30-2010, 11:36 AM

Some nice Big Brake budget options and tests would be nice to see.

More electrical stuff. Interior/engine etc. With alot of older cars getting modded with modern conviences it would be nice to see what's out there and options. That industry seems to be ever changing to keep track of..

How about a late 2nd gen Trans Am build up on somewhat of a budget that will kick a$$. Those cars don't seem to get the attention they desreve.

A suspension shoot out from some of the big players and all the differen't types. along with some real street driving manners and impressions , not just the track. Some of us are just street cruisers.

Another vote for the ECU show down. Lot's of new "self tuning" coming out including Holley. How good are they? Easy to use ?ETC..

brrymnvette

03-30-2010, 01:42 PM

PT car vs Modern Sports cars comparo

Do an interview with Clarkson, May, or Hammond to see what they really think of American cars and let them have a go with a PT car at an event.

Super low budget how-to articles like how to build a rear-end jig. I'm building a jig, just b/c I can. I may only build one rear-end, but I built it instead of paying someone something I'm capable of doing.

Or how to build trailing arms and what types of ends to use and why not to cheap out on rod ends. That type of stuff.

How to build simple roll cages.

Why running 345's is sooooooo much cooler than running 245's. :)

Junkyard brake swaps. Why everyone wants C5 brakes on their older cars even though they suck on C5's.

Do reviews on products that aren't paying you to review them and give honest real world thoughts regarding them.

BBC vs SBC vs LSx style motor budget builds. Show power, torque, $$$$ spent, and real world performance like 1/4 times, mpg, etc all in the same car and same trans.

Sorry, haven't read the thread, some of these may be posted already. Just saw thread title and threw in my $0.02

PT Sportwagon

03-30-2010, 09:34 PM

How about a non normal build like a wagon or a Buick. A build on a car that you cannot find parts in most every aftermarket catalog. Like a Buick, or a wagon. How about a build small block Buick a motor that you cannot buy aftermarket heads for.

Tim

70camaro406

03-31-2010, 06:51 AM

PHR is a great mag...one of my favorite's, and I get 7 different mags each month.:hammer:

I like comparison's too:

- Muffler comparison...not only for power, but for sound, since we all drive our cars, some of us want them to be quiet(er).

- Mileage tuning for carbs, even the bigger ones that some of us run (like my Holley 830).

- Autocross and track day events list and calender for all over the country, not just at the big tracks.

- Suspension tuning tricks of the all types of suspensions, including the not-so-exotic suspensions.

- I agree with the others that want a piece-it-yourself big-brake install of C5 (or similar) components.

- Info on driving schools would be nice too...since we all want to be able to drive like Mary Pozzi one day.:hail:

ProVette

03-31-2010, 02:58 PM

What about an E85 fueled Big Block car build up?....maybe a gas comparo too. I'm considering this conversion on my 500Cad powered 70 Nova!

+1 for E85 BBC conversion

Lowend

03-31-2010, 05:52 PM

I'd like to see a REAL tire comparison

Take the same car, and mount several different manufacturers' tires that are the same size, on the same wheels and get some real comparison data.

Tire Rack has done this, but there is very little data on "big" tires.

Do a skid-pad test, a gymkhana course and braking from 60MPH
For good measure you could take tread depth measurements at given points throughout the day to give people an idea of how well the tires last. Compare actual sizing of tires from manufacturer to manufacturer.

Rough example
Say you take a set of 275/40ZR17's from BFG, Kumho, Sumitomo and put them all on 17x9.5" wheels on Mary Pozzi's 2nd Gen Camaro.

Pretty solid source of data there.

ncardanini

04-29-2010, 05:49 PM

I say you guys build a 3rd gen camaro. It could be a budget all around performer. Plus the story should be original because they barely get and coverage.

GT500KR_Vert

05-17-2010, 06:36 PM

I had an idea the other day for a new type of racing that would be backed by the tree huggers and would help stimulate some new ideas for energy use in this country.

What about a race series that use a car like the Tesla?

http://www.teslamotors.com/

0-60 in 3.9 seconds and a 239 mile range.

would be fun to compete at the auto-x and bigger tracks. If they were cost effective like $30-40k more people would be involved; otherwise I think a lot of companies would sponsor it; clean racing.

nothing like racers to push for more speed and better range. it would help make electric cars have better performance.

Just an idea.

Charley Lillard

05-17-2010, 06:43 PM

Send someone to the Mecum auction this weekend to shoot Mali2ude. Nobody has seen it since Jody re-did it.

BonzoHansen

05-18-2010, 01:14 PM

Please do a story on clutch and supercharger install on a 2010 Camaro SS. I haven't seen the definitive article yet. :rolleyes:

d.c.

05-18-2010, 06:59 PM

How about a story on converting a gas engine to natural gas (Not Propane). Considering the fact that North America has a 200 year reserve life at current consumption levels, and that instead of using this to power...well just about anything you want, it is nutty that you give 3 billion dollars a day (yes that is correct) to countries that hate America to the core in exchange for oil. Natural gas is currently priced at about 1/30th that of oil per energy unit../ aka you can drive farther for cheaper.
In conjunction to this story you could also highlight the companies that are currently manufacturing at home natural gas filling stations. This serves two purposes; it fills the void of no filling stations (pun intended) thus making your story practical, and it creates a new advertising revenue stream for your mag from said companies. Hell, some of these guys are even making C.N.G tanks that are shaped like a spare tire and fit into the stock storage compartments on compacts, so you won't have to run around town with a couple of BBQ tanks strapped to the roof.

GT500KR_Vert

05-18-2010, 07:04 PM

I really like the idea of doing a alt fuel (Not E85 crap) PHR car.

I've thought about doing something for a while - not just alt fuel, but a hot rod / muscle car.

How about a story on converting a gas engine to natural gas (Not Propane). Considering the fact that North America has a 200 year reserve life at current consumption levels, and that instead of using this to power...well just about anything you want, it is nutty that you give 3 billion dollars a day (yes that is correct) to countries that hate America to the core in exchange for oil. Natural gas is currently priced at about 1/30th that of oil per energy unit../ aka you can drive farther for cheaper.
In conjunction to this story you could also highlight the companies that are currently manufacturing at home natural gas filling stations. This serves two purposes; it fills the void of no filling stations (pun intended) thus making your story practical, and it creates a new advertising revenue stream for your mag from said companies. Hell, some of these guys are even making C.N.G tanks that are shaped like a spare tire and fit into the stock storage compartments on compacts, so you won't have to run around town with a couple of BBQ tanks strapped to the roof.