Pros Picks

[WhirlingDurvish]

Okay how many of you out there think that the original idea of the Pros Pick area has been lost? Originally when conceived the idea behind this special parking area was that the average Joe who builds cars in his spare time could win an award for building a car that looked like a pro did it. Not only that, but it would be picked by the pros. Now days, pro builders are pulling into pros pick and taking home half of the picks. Now before everyone goes off thinking I am hacked off because I didn't get a pick or something like that, I want you to know that I have never had a car at these events I have only been a spectator who has seen the frustrations on many guys faces at these events. When a pro builder wins a pros pick what does that say? Congrats even though we all know you are a very well established professional, we are going to give you this gnawed off piece of billet to let everyone else know that you have properly done your job. Are all of the builders that insecure that they need a pick to let them know that they are pros? Here is another thing, why do some of the same cars that get pros picks at Indy get them at Columbus too? That’s a crock and a half. There are a ton of cars at both of the shows and you mean to tell me that the bearded one couldn't find 16 cars that weren't previously awarded in a sea of hundreds? When will Joe hot rodder get a chance to win a pros pick again? What does everyone else think?

[Bow Tie 67]

I would have to agree, I try to leave my ego at home when I attend a show.

[Damn True]

Excellent point, and I assumed that was the way it was supposed to work. The name of the award implies that guys like Foose and Boyd will be selecting their favorite cars from the regular guys at the show, not picking amongst Alloway, Johnson and Trepanier. But it sure don't seem to work out that way does it?

[rocketman]

I totally agree the Pro's Pick award is a joke now.All the guys that get pro's picks are pro car builders,I have even seen Foose cars win pro's picks,its a total joke.I feel like all pro car builder should not be allowed to be judged for pros picks.They should have there own judging area,like pros judging pros.

[datsbad]

I always wondered the same and I agree. But what classifies these guys as PRO's? At what point do we consider them pros? Does that mean if i get choosen for the pro pick area then I am a pro ?

where is the line on who is pro and who is not ?

Good thread by the way

[rocketman]

my feeling of a pro builder

1.There full time job.
2.Build more than 3 cars a year,for other paying people not yourself
3.have been around,and building cars for many years.

[Damn True]

my feeling of a pro builder

1.There full time job.
2.Build more than 3 cars a year,for other paying people not yourself
3.have been around,and building cars for many years.

4. have a show on cable TV

[WEAVER]

I always wondered the same and I agree. But what classifies these guys as PRO's? At what point do we consider them pros? Does that mean if i get choosen for the pro pick area then I am a pro ?

where is the line on who is pro and who is not ?

Good thread by the way
when you get paid to build every day for your job

[Bob Johnson]

I totally agree the Pro's Pick award is a joke now.All the guys that get pro's picks are pro car builders,I have even seen Foose cars win pro's picks,its a total joke.I feel like all pro car builder should not be allowed to be judged for pros picks.They should have there own judging area,like pros judging pros.
how's about Pros vs Joes??

[Bow Tie 67]

Quote:
Originally Posted by rocketman
my feeling of a pro builder

1.There full time job.
2.Build more than 3 cars a year,for other paying people not yourself
3.have been around,and building cars for many years.


4. have a show on cable TV

5. Have employee's doing the grunt work.

[J2speedandcustom]

There is alot more to being a professional than just if you get paid or how many are built!!!

[Ronald Winter]

if any of you guy's realy want a pro's pick award I have a sure fire way to get just dress up like scotty gray and when boyd see you- your a shoe in. if he has 3 cars 3 pro pick

[Bob Johnson]

if any of you guy's realy want a pro's pick award I have a sure fire way to get just dress up like scotty gray and when boyd see you- your a shoe in. if he has 3 cars 3 pro pick
now that's funny...you aren't saying Boyd's picks aren't straight up are you??? That's why you've not won one..no clown outfits that fit your big n tall as*..

[rocketman]

how's about Pros vs Joes??


Well if joe's didn't have pro's build there ride that would be an ok idea,but lets face it not many joe's can flip the bill to build like a pro themselves,that's why they have pro's do it.

[rocketman]

now that's funny...you aren't saying Boyd's picks aren't straight up are you??? That's why you've not won one..no clown outfits that fit your big n tall as*..


Yeah Scotty Gray is such an *******.

[customcarpainter]

What cars at Indy also got a pick at Columbus?Do you,as a spectator,feel there were cars at Indy that didn't get a pick that should have?I felt like the finalists in SROTY & SMOTY were NOT the TOP 5 in their prospective classes.BUT,I do feel the best cars in each class won the award,of course I am biased on my choices.

[WhirlingDurvish]

What cars at Indy also got a pick at Columbus?Do you,as a spectator,feel there were cars at Indy that didn't get a pick that should have?I felt like the finalists in SROTY & SMOTY were NOT the TOP 5 in their prospective classes.BUT,I do feel the best cars in each class won the award,of course I am biased on my choices.


Well, I guess the only repeat offender this year was Richard Ruiter and his '55 Chevy Convertible. The past couple of years if Bobby Alloway had 3 cars at Indy that won pros picks, usually the same cars would win at Columbus. Its not just Alloway either, a couple of years ago I can think of a car that won a pros pick at Indy, Columbus, and Kansas City. As for the Top 5, thats a whole other thread on its own. I totally agree with the winners. Both of those cars were by far the top street machine and top street rod. However, there were 3 finalist in the SROTY that I couldn't see and 3 finalist in the SMOTY that I couldn't see either. Lets start with the SROTY. Why didn't the Legens Willys pickup make the top 5? How did the Willys roadster make it? I have a hard time accepting that multiple judges listed it in there 5 picks. Same goes for the Black Dearborn Roadster. The silver 32, I can kind of see, but not really. My top 5 would have been the '38 Chevy, Greenings '32 Roadster, Willys Pickup, Meade Bladwin '40 Ford coupe, and the last one is a wild card. There were multiple cars that could have taken that spot. On the SMOTY side, I did not agree with the Oronzio tri five conglomerate. Custom Rod of the Year is the area that car belongs in, not SMOTY. Oh yeah and it should be Custom Rod of the Year 6 years ago when it was originally finished and before someone messed it up with some bad east coast decisions. Then again a very non street machine won it 3 years ago. Now the two silver '55s are definitely nice cars both could have a spot in the five. However both cars had qualified as finalist for Custom Rod of the Year. The convertible at Nashville and the post car at Des Moines. So in my opinion they are both out. If they had not been finalist for that, I would say a big yes to the convertible and the post car. So as for SMOTY the 5 finalist could have been Johnsons Cuda, the Chevelle, Terzich '61 Ford, the Black 60 Vette roadster, and another wild card that could possibly be the 55 Convert since it is such a damn nice car. Thats just my thoughts for what its worth.

[68fusion]

I guess car shows are like the Middle East, always a conflict goin on.

[Bob Johnson]

Well, I guess the only repeat offender this year was Richard Ruiter and his '55 Chevy Convertible. The past couple of years if Bobby Alloway had 3 cars at Indy that won pros picks, usually the same cars would win at Columbus. Its not just Alloway either, a couple of years ago I can think of a car that won a pros pick at Indy, Columbus, and Kansas City. As for the Top 5, thats a whole other thread on its own. I totally agree with the winners. Both of those cars were by far the top street machine and top street rod. However, there were 3 finalist in the SROTY that I couldn't see and 3 finalist in the SMOTY that I couldn't see either. Lets start with the SROTY. Why didn't the Legens Willys pickup make the top 5? How did the Willys roadster make it? I have a hard time accepting that multiple judges listed it in there 5 picks. Same goes for the Black Dearborn Roadster. The silver 32, I can kind of see, but not really. My top 5 would have been the '38 Chevy, Greenings '32 Roadster, Willys Pickup, Meade Bladwin '40 Ford coupe, and the last one is a wild card. There were multiple cars that could have taken that spot. On the SMOTY side, I did not agree with the Oronzio tri five conglomerate. Custom Rod of the Year is the area that car belongs in, not SMOTY. Oh yeah and it should be Custom Rod of the Year 6 years ago when it was originally finished and before someone messed it up with some bad east coast decisions. Then again a very non street machine won it 3 years ago. Now the two silver '55s are definitely nice cars both could have a spot in the five. However both cars had qualified as finalist for Custom Rod of the Year. The convertible at Nashville and the post car at Des Moines. So in my opinion they are both out. If they had not been finalist for that, I would say a big yes to the convertible and the post car. So as for SMOTY the 5 finalist could have been Johnsons Cuda, the Chevelle, Terzich '61 Ford, the Black 60 Vette roadster, and another wild card that could possibly be the 55 Convert since it is such a damn nice car. Thats just my thoughts for what its worth.
I felt the same way on the Willys convt. and the Willys pick-up. I mentioned earlier in a post that I heard their mentality on the 41 Willys Truck was that it was going to probably be a shoe in for early Truck of the Year in Dallas so they didn't put it in the SROY. I agree that it was a marvelous piece but the 38 Chevy blew me away. It just got my eye and held me breathless. All the metal that was moved yet it wound up looking so symetrical and just had the overall look and stance. I just loved it, and I'm not a 38 Chevy kind of guy. I know how it feels to build a piece like the Willys pick up and come close but no cigar. I do think he will win early truck of the year if that's a consolation. The 57 Chevy was just plain butt ass ugly and wasn't at all proportional and the same was true on the Willys convt. I felt like the black Mustang of Bud Butsman/Year-One had proven its mettle by running the PTour long haul (in addition to driving from Atlanta to Orlando and returning from Englishtown to Atlanta). It has been drag raced and driven all over the place w/o any real problems. That's what a street machine is to me. Ridler quality undercarriage/chrome engine compartments etc just should not be the criteria for this pick. I also do not agree with having a car that's a Custom Rod finalist being in the finals for street machine of the year especially when there are deserving cars out there. No question the black 60 Vette should have been in there. I don't want to toot my horn (I will for Alan) but the best 2 cars won.. IMHO
As far as Boyd's Pros picks for Indy and Columbus..Ken Sarbu's 62 Chevy won both places..I think the 32 of Jack Shephard, and one more I think..I think Ron Winter said it best about the winning a pros pick..I think a better word for the 57..not comglomerate but conglomeration..lol

[WhirlingDurvish]

I felt the same way on the Willys convt. and the Willys pick-up. I mentioned earlier in a post that I heard their mentality on the 41 Willys Truck was that it was going to probably be a shoe in for early Truck of the Year in Dallas so they didn't put it in the SROY. I agree that it was a marvelous piece but the 38 Chevy blew me away. It just got my eye and held me breathless. All the metal that was moved yet it wound up looking so symetrical and just had the overall look and stance. I just loved it, and I'm not a 38 Chevy kind of guy. I know how it feels to build a piece like the Willys pick up and come close but no cigar. I do think he will win early truck of the year if that's a consolation. The 57 Chevy was just plain butt ass ugly and wasn't at all proportional and the same was true on the Willys convt. I felt like the black Mustang of Bud Butsman/Year-One had proven its mettle by running the PTour long haul (in addition to driving from Atlanta to Orlando and returning from Englishtown to Atlanta). It has been drag raced and driven all over the place w/o any real problems. That's what a street machine is to me. Ridler quality undercarriage/chrome engine compartments etc just should not be the criteria for this pick. I also do not agree with having a car that's a Custom Rod finalist being in the finals for street machine of the year especially when there are deserving cars out there. I don't want to toot my horn (I will for Alan) but the best 2 cars won.. IMHO
As far as Boyd's Pros picks for Indy and Columbus..Ken Sarbu's 62 Chevy won both places..I think the 32 of Jack Shephard, and one more I think..I think Ron Winter said it best about the winning a pros pick..I think a better word for the 57..not comglomerate but conglomeration..lol

Hey Bob wait till you hear this. They don't pick the winner at Dallas anymore for the Truck of the Year Early, they pick finalist at multiple events. They entered the truck in the trick truck corral at Nashville for a chance at the finalist spot and they were overlooked again. The pick went to a Studebaker pickup. I don't know why they can't win.

[Bob Johnson]

Hey Bob wait till you hear this. They don't pick the winner at Dallas anymore for the Truck of the Year Early, they pick finalist at multiple events. They entered the truck in the trick truck corral at Nashville for a chance at the finalist spot and they were overlooked again. The pick went to a Studebaker pickup. I don't know why they can't win.
Oh my..I didn't know that..I saw the little Stude truck.it was neat but nothing like the Willys. That is alarming. I have met the owner and he is a very nice man. He's having a bad ride. If that truck doesn't win early truck of the year, something is bad wrong. Are you telling me he's not even qualified for the truck finals? Maybe they're going to make him bring it to a few more shows to qualify. It is a good draw..maybe they think it's a little overdone..Good friend of mine Mike Hughes was in the great 8 at Autorama and won the Millwinders award in Houston,came to Columbus and didn't even get a pity pick. He was heartbroken. I know we all say this and that about awards, but grown men get their feathers ruffled just like little kids, probably even worse. Anyone that tells you it doesn't mean anything to him, is full of it more than likely. It is very rewarding for others to see your work and appreciate the finished product. I know you don't need their approval, but it does feel good knowing others appreciate your efforts.I know too many guys that have been jacked out of shape over their cars not getting picked. I've seen many act like spoiled brats. I've bit my tongue in the past, but on this Cuda, I don't think I could have taken another overlook. That shi** at Year One still infuriates me to this day.

[Slammed58Buick]

Oh my..I didn't know that..I saw the little Stude truck.it was neat but nothing like the Willys. That is alarming. I have met the owner and he is a very nice man. He's having a bad ride. If that truck doesn't win early truck of the year, something is bad wrong. Are you telling me he's not even qualified for the truck finals? Maybe they're going to make him bring it to a few more shows to qualify. It is a good draw..maybe they think it's a little overdone..Good friend of mine Mike Hughes was in the great 8 at Autorama and won the Millwinders award in Houston,came to Columbus and didn't even get a pity pick. He was heartbroken. I know we all say this and that about awards, but grown men get their feathers ruffled just like little kids, probably even worse. Anyone that tells you it doesn't mean anything to him, is full of it more than likely. It is very rewarding for others to see your work and appreciate the finished product. I know you don't need their approval, but it does feel good knowing others appreciate your efforts.I know too many guys that have been jacked out of shape over their cars not getting picked. I've seen many act like spoiled brats. I've bit my tongue in the past, but on this Cuda, I don't think I could have taken another overlook. That shi** at Year One still infuriates me to this day.


Couldn't agree with you more. I talked to Steve Legens Saturday night at Columbus and he said they had not qualified for the truck of the year early. He said at Nashville the Goodguys Representatives came over and strongly suggested that he pull the truck over to the trick truck corral because they were going to pick a finalist for truck of the year early. So he took it over there thinking alright I just might get the pick and low and behold they gave it cool commercial and gave the finalist pick to the Stude. Don't know what the deal is there. Steve and his crew are some of the nicest guys around, I can't imagine that they have upset someone to the point that they have been black balled. Who knows?

[Bob Johnson]

Couldn't agree with you more. I talked to Steve Legens Saturday night at Columbus and he said they had not qualified for the truck of the year early. He said at Nashville the Goodguys Representatives came over and strongly suggested that he pull the truck over to the trick truck corral because they were going to pick a finalist for truck of the year early. So he took it over there thinking alright I just might get the pick and low and behold they gave it cool commercial and gave the finalist pick to the Stude. Don't know what the deal is there. Steve and his crew are some of the nicest guys around, I can't imagine that they have upset someone to the point that they have been black balled. Who knows?
How many other shows have a finalist pick? If he doesn't win it it will be as big a FU as when the 67 Blazer PU of mine that was started by Lil John and worked on by Boyd and finished by Alan Johnson lost to a $25K 71 Silver Chevy pick up in Dallas a few years ago. I wonder if the Goodguys people know that the truck hasn't qualified? I know Legens and the owner have put their heart and soul into that truck..I really feel for them..and unfortunately I know the feeling very well..

[Slammed58Buick]

How many other shows have a finalist pick? If he doesn't win it it will be as big a FU as when the 67 Blazer PU of mine that was started by Lil John and worked on by Boyd and finished by Alan Johnson lost to a $25K 71 Silver Chevy pick up in Dallas a few years ago. I wonder if the Goodguys people know that the truck hasn't qualified? I know Legens and the owner have put their heart and soul into that truck..I really feel for them..and unfortunately I know the feeling very well..


There are only 2 other shows they could qualify at. Pleasanton West Coast Nats and Texas. Chances are Bob they won't get qualifed and I don't think Goodguys really cares. You know as well as I do that this thing is 100% polotics. That what has become the foundation for this hobby/sport/biz. Not the first time someone has been screwed and it surely won't be the last.

[WEAVER]

There are only 2 other shows they could qualify at. Pleasanton West Coast Nats and Texas. Chances are Bob they won't get qualifed and I don't think Goodguys really cares. You know as well as I do that this thing is 100% polotics. That what has become the foundation for this hobby/sport/biz. Not the first time someone has been screwed and it surely won't be the last.
Don't forget the nsra and some of there biased reginal picks

[Bob Johnson]

There are only 2 other shows they could qualify at. Pleasanton West Coast Nats and Texas. Chances are Bob they won't get qualifed and I don't think Goodguys really cares. You know as well as I do that this thing is 100% polotics. That what has become the foundation for this hobby/sport/biz. Not the first time someone has been screwed and it surely won't be the last.
He absolutely needs to go to Texas. I'd have to see it to believe it if that truck doesn't win...The 57 Red Ford probably has the late sewed up..I truly believe there's less politics in the Goodguys picks than there is in any other type car competition.

[Bob Johnson]

Don't forget the nsra and some of there biased reginal picks
I don't know too much about the regional picks, but their Louisville picks are pretty good. Only problem I had with it is the judges are told to pick cars they like the most, not the best cars. So say if some of the judges just didn't like the build style of the Willys, it could be beat by cars of much less quality..

[ScotI]

.... it will be as big a FU as when the 67 Blazer PU of mine that was started by Lil John and worked on by Boyd and finished by Alan Johnson lost to a $25K 71 Silver Chevy pick up in Dallas a few years ago....
I'm curious . . .... Are you saying that 71 pick-up was not @ the same level of craftsmanship as your blazer/truck?

[Bob Johnson]

I'm curious . . .... Are you saying that 71 pick-up was not @ the same level of craftsmanship as your blazer/truck?
not even the same stratosphere..The Blazer truck had a one off Lil John Buttera built Chassis and suspension. Tons of metal mods and one off custom pieces..couldn't build that truck for $300K. The 55 Ford Truck with the Lexus Motor was a super nice truck. He came up to me afterward and said, You were robbed. I answered..How about you..I could have seen how someone could have picked the Ford, but the 71 Chevy with the Cloudy Silver paint, and the Seats poking up in the back window just wasn't a high quality piece at all. I see you're from Texas.You must know the guy or truck..he's from around there

[WEAVER]

not even the same stratosphere..The Blazer truck had a one off Lil John Buttera built Chassis and suspension. Tons of metal mods and one off custom pieces..couldn't build that truck for $300K. The 55 Ford Truck with the Lexus Motor was a super nice truck. He came up to me afterward and said, You were robbed. I answered..How about you..I could have seen how someone could have picked the Ford, but the 71 Chevy with the Cloudy Silver paint, and the Seats poking up in the back window just wasn't a high quality piece at all. I see you're from Texas.You must know the guy or truck..he's from around there
Bob i know which truck your talking about it looked like shaved ass.(i dig trucks as much as cars) I keep track of all types

[ScotI]

not even the same stratosphere.
I see you're from Texas.You must know the guy or truck..he's from around there
Yep, I know of the truck. I actually saw it years ago in the guys shop when he first started on it but I do not know the owner personally. My friends shop was just located in the same warehouse structure.

I'll just say I liked them both. But.... one was more appealing for the average joe, the other for the high-end crowd.

[Bob Johnson]

Bob i know which truck your talking about it looked like shaved ass.(i dig trucks as much as cars) I keep track of all types
I have a 66 Ford Pick-up for sale now..with a Super Cobra Jet 429 Super detailed truck that is of higher quality than that 71 and I'll take $23,500 for it. it runs and drives as good as it looks..very fresh too..underside is slick as the top side..

[WhirlingDurvish]

Don't forget the nsra and some of there biased reginal picks


Ya mean the National Society of Retired As*****'*, they don't know a nice car when they see it.