C4 front susp into the Nova

[slow4dr]

I picked up an 85 vette front end because of it's shorter track width and non ABS to put into my 63 Nova. I have been procrastinating this install for a few weeks now due to heat but I finally bit the bullet.

The width of the frame head on the car was almost an exact match to the stock Corvette cross member. I will need to c-notch the frame rails about an inch to clear the steering arms though.

I have been thinking about running some take off 9.5" C5 wheels with a +65mm offset. That should drop about 3.5"-4" from the track width and give them enough room to tuck into the fender wells.

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[slow4dr]

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[Poopy]

So it fit just like that? Wow! Thats amazing... I wish I woulda thought of that. Keep it coming!

[slow4dr]

So it fit just like that? Wow! Thats amazing... I wish I woulda thought of that. Keep it coming!

I was quite surprised myself. The only drawback I see is how wide the track width is(about 61" rotor to rotor). Most people prefer a big lip wheel but I don't mind running a deep back space set up. I am actually thinking I could get a 10" wheel up front if I found the right offset. There is plenty of room to go inboard. Of course then I'll have to cut the rear end up to make sure I can fit a 12"-13" wheel out back. :yum:

[Poopy]

I have a complete vette front clip at a friends house too....dammit. :candle:

[BRIAN]

As soon as I saw that I thought of the "Novette" project done by Lil John Buterra in Hot Rod in the early 80's. I think they did the exact thing. I have the issues of the build somewhere. Looks like quick clean install.

[slow4dr]

As soon as I saw that I thought of the "Novette" project done by Lil John Buterra in Hot Rod in the early 80's. I think they did the exact thing. I have the issues of the build somewhere. Looks like quick clean install.

:usa: I'd love to see that. If you find out what issue it was let me know.

[BRIAN]

I located one of the issues. I have a lot of mags. They are in magazine categories but there are hundreds in each at the very least. I am interested in seeing them also so I will try and dig the rest up for you. Can I post mag pics???

[parsonsj]

Nice work ... keep the pics coming.

I don't know if you've mocked up the engine yet, but I'd guess you'll lose the firewall when that happens (no big loss). C4 (C5 and C6 too, btw) racks pretty much force the engine behind the rack, assuming you've preserved the OEM mount points.

As far running a "deep lip" wheel, that's actually bad for handling. There's a reason modern suspension geometries all use lots of back-spacing in the wheels. So tuck those wheels up inside those fenders, and show us some more!

jp

[slow4dr]

Nice work ... keep the pics coming.

I don't know if you've mocked up the engine yet, but I'd guess you'll lose the firewall when that happens (no big loss). C4 (C5 and C6 too, btw) racks pretty much force the engine behind the rack, assuming you've preserved the OEM mount points.

As far running a "deep lip" wheel, that's actually bad for handling. There's a reason modern suspension geometries all use lots of back-spacing in the wheels. So tuck those wheels up inside those fenders, and show us some more!

jp


Thanks for the info John! I am quite a noob when it comes to suspension so every little bit helps.

Yes, the motor I had planned on using is not going to work anymore so I have been contemplating an Ecotec. My only issue at this point is finding a tranny that can handle the power and will bolt right on.

I have done some more fitment testing on the front and it appears I can fit a 10" wheel up front as long as I get a massive 79mm offset like the C6 vettes have in the rear. Since I've been considering going that wide in the front I have been contemplating ideas on how to get a 12" wheel in the back. I read this thread and got some ideas. https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4161

I bought some of these from Summit. http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=CEE%2D3034&N=700+400079+4294925130+4294839049+4294848947+115&autoview=sku I am going to place this frame rail just inside the stock one and then remove the area of the stock rail that would interfere with the tire. I should have some pics of this in the next week or two. I hate welding upside down so I have been contemplating making a rotisserie.

[BRIAN]

I have the mags if you want articles PM me a name and address and I will send you copies. I will try to email but my scanner is not the greatest.

[slow4dr]

I have the mags if you want articles PM me a name and address and I will send you copies. I will try to email but my scanner is not the greatest.

Done & done :bananna2:

[killer69]

I don't mean to sound negative but have you checked to see if you can even turn thr wheels with the fenders on??
the reason i ask is we are doing the same thin right now and it looks like we will have to narrow the crossmember up to 3" and then have an extremily hi offset rim. we are using 19" fronts ,just something to consider before you get too far along

[slow4dr]

I don't mean to sound negative but have you checked to see if you can even turn thr wheels with the fenders on??
the reason i ask is we are doing the same thin right now and it looks like we will have to narrow the crossmember up to 3" and then have an extremily hi offset rim. we are using 19" fronts ,just something to consider before you get too far along


No worries man, I am the king of pessimism. :lmao:

I have laid the fenders in place to get an idea but it is really hard to tell because I don't have the proper offset wheels yet. The Vette wheels in the picture have a 35mm offset and are roughly 4.5"-5" from the mounting point to the outside edge of the tire. The 79mm Vette wheels are under 2" from mounting point to the edge of the wheel. I am guessing that I will have the same fender well clearance as the Wayne Due clip had. Didn't Wayne use the stock track width of the 85?

[PhillipM]

Man I just found this thread. That really turned out sweet!!! I am searching for ideas for my corvair
and I never thought of something that simple. I think that I will start looking for a front end to grapht in..
maybe a strut suspension would be cool! Anyways as for the transmission to the ecotec I would start contacting
companies about making an adapter. I think I am going with an ecotec as well but I will run a mendeola transaxle.

BTW, KEEP THOSE PHOTOS COMING:cool:

[slow4dr]

If I go ecotec I will end up using the factory Solstice/Sky 5spd tranny. I found out there are companies out there using the stock 5 speed behind modified LS2's so I think I should be ok with it.


Here are some recent pics of the rearend coming together.

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[MrQuick]

looking good...what size tire planned in the rear?

[slow4dr]

I just picked up one of those "wheel rite" wheel/tire fitment tools that Percy's makes so I should know what I can fit back there as soon as I get some more time.

[Poopy]

Very cool man, im motivated to get back to work on mine now! thanks! Do you need a panhard with that 3 link, or is there enough triangultion in the lowers??

[slow4dr]

I have been looking at the Evolution Motorsports watts link for the early Mustangs. I think I can make this work on my car with a little work and an open mind. If not I may give the guys at Lateral Dynamics a call and use one of theirs.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

As soon as I saw that I thought of the "Novette" project done by Lil John Buterra in Hot Rod in the early 80's. I think they did the exact thing. I have the issues of the build somewhere. Looks like quick clean install.

Was the Novette cool or what?! About the only thing that I would have done differently would be to have rechromed the chrome instead of plating it black.

I LOVED the tube grille that was installed on Novette. The bumpers were REALLY cool too!!!

[Poopy]

Someones gotta scan some pics of this novette! do it!

[Protour_Pinto]

slow4dr, You car looks good! I miss my project. Now that I live in Huntington Beach I drive by Classic industries all the time and wish for a place to work. That and wish I was not working 7 days a week.

Keep up the good work

[PhillipM]

Any sort of update? We are in the process of moving shops throughout the next 3 months or so... so I need to live vicarously through other projects!! lol!

edit* just checked out your thread on the nova site. Lookin good.

[LowBuckX]

Looks cool man my hats off to you.

You keep saying you are thinking of running the ecotec engine. Will a 4 banger meet your needs?

Id consider a 4.3 turbo motor.. Syclone Typhoon sites can get you on track for a good 4.3 turbo build.

[slow4dr]

Since I started this thread last year I have changed my mind on many things including what direction the build would go. My goal now is to keep the car under 2500 lbs with me in it so my power needs have changed. I am most likely going to either go N/A LS1 or turbo ecotec and set my goal around 300-350WHP for the time being. I am planning on starting a family soon so I'd like to get the car running before that happens.

FYI: I had to narrow the front end because of the wheels I ended up with. The offset wasn't what I wanted but I couldn't ignore the great price I got them for so I jumped on the deal. I haven't been able to spend much time on the car lately due to some deaths in the family. All bad news aside I should have quite a few things done by summer.

Some pics of the narrowing process unfinished.

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Here is the car prior to setting the ride height. It is up about .5" in the front and down about 1" in the back at present time and has about 4.5-5" of clearance at the front crossmember.

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[slow4dr]

I also got the Watts link semi-finished. I picked up most of the parts from Fay's2(great place to deal with BTW).

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[DeltaT]

Looking good! I love to see well thought out custom fab work done by the owner.

Jim

[Ron S]

Have you tried to set the engine down in there yet?I know the vette engines set way back in the chassis,I'm wondering if your going to have issues with the rack hitting the balancer or oil pan.I love to see that I'm not the only guy that likes to use factory parts,keeps the budget in check,and is just cool. Ron

[novanutcase]

Lookin' good Jason!!!:drool:

John

[slow4dr]

Have you tried to set the engine down in there yet?I know the vette engines set way back in the chassis,I'm wondering if your going to have issues with the rack hitting the balancer or oil pan.I love to see that I'm not the only guy that likes to use factory parts,keeps the budget in check,and is just cool. Ron

I don't have an engine yet but I have come to the realization that if I go LSx I will have to move the firewall. From memory I have about 25" from the firewall to the rack and a bare LSx block is 20"-21". Figure in the pulleys and the clearance needed at the back of the block and it may have to be moved back as far as 4"-5".


I am also looking at a 60 degree V6 from the mid 90's Camaro's. This block is about 16"-17" front to back and takes to boost very well. These engines come with iron heads but the aluminum heads are a dime a dozen and are a direct swap. The two engines are about 70-80# difference so even after turbocharging the V6 will still be lighter.

[Ron S]

Yeah I'm running an lsx in mt camaro with a 2002 camaro suspension and the oil pan/balancer clearance was an issue,the engine went back about 3 inches.Love the work on your Nova,keep up the pics. Ron

[slow4dr]

Yeah I'm running an lsx in mt camaro with a 2002 camaro suspension and the oil pan/balancer clearance was an issue,the engine went back about 3 inches.Love the work on your Nova,keep up the pics. Ron


:drive: Very nice! If you have more up close pics I'd love to see them.

[BRIAN]

I sent you the 4 articles on the Novette did you get them??? I just figured you got busy???


Looks good!!

[slow4dr]

I sent you the 4 articles on the Novette did you get them??? I just figured you got busy???


Looks good!!


:doh: No, I never received them.

[novanutcase]

I sent you the 4 articles on the Novette did you get them??? I just figured you got busy???


Looks good!!

Brian!

Any way you could post 'em? I'd also be interested in seeing them!

John

[BRIAN]

Well at least I do not think you are the rude F'ker I thought you were. Only kidding, I did send them out in a Priority Mail envelope.

I have some pics scanned but it says they are too large??? I will email you them.

Brian

[BRIAN]

Whoever wants them PM your email address. I have one copy I have to find the other 3 or 4 again.


Brian

[slow4dr]

*update

I picked up a 99 LS1/T56 and have begun the install.
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As you can tell the firewall had to be cut up.

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Mounting the Competition Engineering sway bar.

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[gearheads78]

Very nice so far. I love to see well executed home built cars like yours. Keep it up.:twothumbs

[Samckitt]

Looks great.

[Brian-Blade]

How do you come up with location of motor in your project ? With that suspension & motor setup your car is going to be killer
Excellent fab work !

[slow4dr]

How do you come up with location of motor in your project ?

The cross member made the decision for me. The f-body pan fits real nicely in the location it is in right now.


Thanks for the kind words everyone.

[55chevyman]

killer

[formula98]

Great progress! Very nicely done.

[slow4dr]

mounting the Competition Engineering sway bar

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I added this under dash bar to drop the steering column angle and to tighten up the chassis a little more.

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View from the other side
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[slow4dr]

I finally added the down bars as well. Pay no attention to the temporary steering arm.
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[Ron S]

That thing is looking pretty wild,looks like it is coming along.Just finished my suspension on my hybrid,{1st gen camaro with 4th gen susp.}and sent over for paint.Your project looks real similar.Keep up the good work and try to keep in the budget LOL Ron

[slow4dr]

That thing is looking pretty wild,looks like it is coming along.Just finished my suspension on my hybrid,{1st gen camaro with 4th gen susp.}and sent over for paint.Your project looks real similar.Keep up the good work and try to keep in the budget LOL Ron

:bananna2:

I am not looking forward to the day where I have to actually clean up the car and get it ready for paint. 35 years of road grime on the underside will probably keep me busy for a week.

[Martin71RS]

WOW, cool project...I am sure it will turn out to be an awesome car!
I like all the fab work that is being done.

Martin

[wiedemab]

The car is coming along great! I'm liking the wheels.

Just curious if you have figured out what you are going to do about a rack and pinion now that you've narrowed the front suspension? Is someone making narrowed racks for a C4 setup?

[slow4dr]

The car is coming along great! I'm liking the wheels.

Just curious if you have figured out what you are going to do about a rack and pinion now that you've narrowed the front suspension? Is someone making narrowed racks for a C4 setup?


I am not aware of a narrowed C4 rack but I haven't been searching for one yet either. It is next on the list of things to do. :fingersx:

[novanutcase]

I am not aware of a narrowed C4 rack but I haven't been searching for one yet either. It is next on the list of things to do. :fingersx:

If you don't find one have Sweet Manufacturing make you one! They are pretty reasonably priced and they make some real sturdy R & P's for what you're going to do with the car!:6gears:

John

[slow4dr]

Good to know, I'll get some measurements and give them a call.

Thanks John!

[novanutcase]

Hey Jason!

FYI!

http://www.sweetmfg.biz/

John

[TBART70]

Nice work, how far back did you put the motor. Did you do that because of weight or because of clearance issues.

[slow4dr]

Thanks for the link John



Nice work, how far back did you put the motor. Did you do that because of weight or because of clearance issues.

Thanks, I pushed it back about 6" due to clearance issues with the vette cross member.

[troutdog]

What are you going to be doing for headers?

[Bad94]

If you don't find one have Sweet Manufacturing make you one! They are pretty reasonably priced and they make some real sturdy R & P's for what you're going to do with the car!:6gears:

John


Im putting a Woodward set up in a truck im building and steve and tony at woodward have been a ton of help, i couldnt have done it with out them.

I should be getting the rest of the stuff today from them.

[slow4dr]

What are you going to be doing for headers?


Well don't all those suspension components look familiar. Is that your car?

I have flanges and merged collectors sitting here, I need to pick up some 1 7/8" misc piping so I can jump in with both feet. I don't have much room on the passenger side because of the starter but I am hopeful I can make it work. :fingersx:

[TurboLark]

Just read this thread for the first time. Car is looking great. Love the wheels and low stance. Must say that I am sad to see the LS motor go in instead of the Ecotec. I have the Eco in a sandrail. GT35R turbo at 16lbs of boost. Looking for 500-550hp(flywheel) out of it, with the potential for over 600.
Keep up the awesome work!

Phil

[troutdog]

Thats my 66' with a wayne due front clip. It's slowly coming along. I got a box of 1 7/8 bends from stahl and went at it. I like your fab work, keep at it.

[novanutcase]

Im putting a Woodward set up in a truck im building and steve and tony at woodward have been a ton of help, i couldnt have done it with out them.

I should be getting the rest of the stuff today from them.

I'm also putting a Woodward R&P in my project but Jason is trying to do this on a very strict budget. My feeling is that Sweet, although not as good as Woodward, is a very nice unit and should yield him the results that he is looking for!

John

[hotrdblder]

why isn't sweet as good?? only hold back to sweet is they only go to 21" wide between pivots, but thats no issue on an early nova, they are nice peices and around 700 bucks

[novanutcase]

why isn't sweet as good?? only hold back to sweet is they only go to 21" wide between pivots, but thats no issue on an early nova, they are nice peices and around 700 bucks

You're right they aren't! I just prefer Woodward racks over them that's all!!
I just think that Woodwards reputation precedes Sweets but I don't think that Sweet has a bad product at all. If I wasn't going to use the Woodward rack then Sweet would be my second choice!

John

[slow4dr]

Actually 21" between pivots is perfect for my car. :cool: $700 however is NOT

troutdog, Are you a member at Steve's Nova Site? Do you have a link to the more pics of the build?


Just read this thread for the first time. Car is looking great. Love the wheels and low stance. Must say that I am sad to see the LS motor go in instead of the Ecotec. I have the Eco in a sandrail. GT35R turbo at 16lbs of boost. Looking for 500-550hp(flywheel) out of it, with the potential for over 600.
Keep up the awesome work!

Phil


Times like right now when I am running out of space quickly I get that thought that I should have went with the smaller engine. I usually set myself straight by clicking on streetfire.net and search for "LS1" and listen to a few run. :firefire:

[novanutcase]

Actually 21" between pivots is perfect for my car. :cool: $700 however is NOT

troutdog, Are you a member at Steve's Nova Site? Do you have a link to the more pics of the build?




Times like right now when I am running out of space quickly I get that thought that I should have went with the smaller engine. I usually set myself straight by clicking on streetfire.net and search for "LS1" and listen to a few run. :firefire:

DAS' RIIIIIIGGGGGHHHTTT!!!

John

[TurboLark]

Times like right now when I am running out of space quickly I get that thought that I should have went with the smaller engine. I usually set myself straight by clicking on streetfire.net and search for "LS1" and listen to a few run. :firefire:
I agree, the sound of the V8 is a sweet sound. I was thinking of doing up a Nova wagon with a turbo Eco to take on my business sales calls. Low budget and cheap on gas for those 300miles per day..LOL.

[slow4dr]

I agree, the sound of the V8 is a sweet sound. I was thinking of doing up a Nova wagon with a turbo Eco to take on my business sales calls. Low budget and cheap on gas for those 300miles per day..LOL.

:cool:

I've knocked down 30+ mpg in the SRT4 a few times but I average about 23-25. I am sure the LS1/T56 can do that with equal driving styles.

[hotrdblder]

mustang ii will be close, and 150 bucks from parts stores

[slow4dr]

mustang ii will be close, and 150 bucks from parts stores

Close to 21"?

[Chad-1stGen]

Cool car and keep the pics comin'

How far back is the shifter going to be compared to seat location? Looks pretty far.

[TurboLark]

By the way, what is the width between your framerails now?

[slow4dr]

By the way, what is the width between your framerails now?

inside to inside = 24"


Cool car and keep the pics comin'

How far back is the shifter going to be compared to seat location? Looks pretty far.

Thanks! I'll have to get some pics when I have a seat in it again. It really matches nicely with how far back I mounted the cage.

[hotrdblder]

Close to 21"?
yes i want to say its 20-22

[slow4dr]

yes i want to say its 20-22


KILLER!!!!! I will look into this immediately. Thank you very much.




BTW: I think I figured out my header fitment problem. :headbang:



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[Chad-1stGen]

LOL I see that turbo and "63 Nova 'low budget g-machine'

All things are relative in life, especially budgets!

[slow4dr]

LOL I see that turbo and "63 Nova 'low budget g-machine'

All things are relative in life, especially budgets!


Very true, but before passing judgement take a look :fingersx:


I paid $250 for the CHRA and $190 for the housings
The misc tubes, hoses, and clamps pictured below I got for free from the recycle bin at work.

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[Chad-1stGen]

Cool deal :)

[TurboLark]

Wouldnt it be easier to go over the front downbars with the headers? Looks like a tight squeeze.

[slow4dr]

Wouldnt it be easier to go over the front downbars with the headers? Looks like a tight squeeze.


I won't commit to making the headers until I have the shock mounts figured out. If there is enough clearance I will move the collector down and out towards the wheel. If not I will definitely do like you said and move them above the bars.

[BADVELLE]

You realize you are going to have to change your name to "nomoslw4dr"!!! Great build! :cool:

[slow4dr]

You realize you are going to have to change your name to "nomoslw4dr"!!! Great build! :cool:


:usa:

Much like the car I will be reborn anew.

[troutdog]

I visit steve's nova site from time to time. I do not have a link, but I do have a few more pics. I am planning to start working on my car more this fall. I just have not had the time to work on it lately.

[slow4dr]

I visit steve's nova site from time to time. I do not have a link, but I do have a few more pics. I am planning to start working on my car more this fall. I just have not had the time to work on it lately.

:cool: I can't wait to see more of it.

[slow4dr]

I wasn't going to post new pics until I had the headers made but I am to impatient. I changed my mind ONCE AGAIN and will be going with twins now. I traded the T66 for two 60-1's with T3 hot sides. I did a quick moch up, final placement will be similar to where they are now just a little closer to the firewall and a little lower.


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[TurboLark]

Damn Jason, it's getting crowded in there. Maybe to make things easier you just put a T100 and an air-water intercooler in the passenger seat area. :naughty:
I think I would be remaking the front cage bars to gain some room for all the plumbing that will be coming soon.

Thanks for letting me come by to check the car out. gonna be sweet when its driving.

[slow4dr]

Damn Jason, it's getting crowded in there. Maybe to make things easier you just put a T100 and an air-water intercooler in the passenger seat area. :naughty:
I think I would be remaking the front cage bars to gain some room for all the plumbing that will be coming soon.

Thanks for letting me come by to check the car out. gonna be sweet when its driving.

You're welcome Phil,

If I didn't plan on actually tracking this car a LTA cooler would definitely be in the game plan. I think the bars are in the perfect position because I can run the hot side pipes under them with the intake tubes above. I should have some more pieces to the puzzle in the coming weeks so it should be coming together soon.

[TurboLark]

Jason,
Congrats on the "Under Construction" blurb in PHR!!!

[slow4dr]

Jason,
Congrats on the "Under Construction" blurb in PHR!!!

Thanks Phil! I am still so excited about it. FYI: I remounted the coils up high like on the trucks and it gained me a bunch of room for the compressor housings.

My new screen saver.

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[TurboLark]

Thanks Phil! I am still so excited about it. FYI: I remounted the coils up high like on the trucks and it gained me a bunch of room for the compressor housings.

My new screen saver.

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Sweet, always important to make room for turbos in everything we do. LOL

[Tiger]

I think I've told you earlier but thumbs up for a cool project!

As for front coilover mounts on my Chevelle with C4 IFS I ended up making a bolt in steel bracket in the lower control arm and some ears on the frame.
I tried with the bolted in plate as you have in the pics but the coilover got to far up.

[slow4dr]

I think I've told you earlier but thumbs up for a cool project!

As for front coilover mounts on my Chevelle with C4 IFS I ended up making a bolt in steel bracket in the lower control arm and some ears on the frame.
I tried with the bolted in plate as you have in the pics but the coilover got to far up.

I haven't made my coil over mounts yet so I'd like to see what you've done if you've got pics. I think what I had in mind is pretty much what you've already done. :drive:

[Tiger]

hey slow.
I snap you some pics in the weekend and send you

[slow4dr]

hey slow.
I snap you some pics in the weekend and send you

:firefire: Thanks Andre!

-J

[Tiger]

Hi,

this is the best I managed without taking the frontclip of, it gives an idea, pls let me know if you need more.

ps. all pics are right hand side except n3

[novanutcase]

Hi Andre!

Is it me or is your tie rod bent in pic 3?

John

[slow4dr]

Hi,

this is the best I managed without taking the frontclip of, it gives an idea, pls let me know if you need more.

ps. all pics are right hand side except n3

:kewlpics: Those pics were perfect for me to start planning with. Thanks for doing that for me Andre, I really appreciate it.

-J

[Tiger]

John,
I havent measured it yet and I have new ones to be put on once the Chevelle is goilg together so for now its just you :o) hehe

slow
no problem, just let me know if you need more.

[slow4dr]

Well, it's been a long couple weeks since a real update and I haven't got much accomplished but here is where I am at. I mounted the I/C but I still need to make support brackets for the uprights. Each piece that gets placed in the compartment reminds me how cramped it's going to be.

Basic overview, BOV and cold pipe in place.
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Running the hot side pipes are going to be interesting. I am planning on running them even with the downbars but just underneath which on the passenger side is no big deal, but I have a P/S pump to contend with on the drivers side.
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This view shows how high I have the I/C mounted. The plan here is to split the incoming air in two. I am hoping to have a lower valence/air dam that will direct air under the I/C and onto the radiator. It's kind of hard to picture it without the front end mounted but imagine the very bottom of the current fiberglass even with the bottom of the frame heads. The air dam will extend another 4-5" below that and have it's own shrouding.
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[Poopy]

I dont think those twins are gonna work, you should ship them up to me. :thankyou:

[novanutcase]

I dont think those twins are gonna work, you should ship them up to me. :thankyou:

DAMN!!! Where the hell have YOU been??!!??:cheers:

John

[slow4dr]

I dont think those twins are gonna work, you should ship them up to me. :thankyou:

:cheers: Welcome back!

[Poopy]

Hey guys! Been really sick and busy with work...but i just opened two big boxes with my spintech exhaust.....:headbang: Car is back underway! Woooot!

Your two projects are lookin absolutely killer as usual!

[novanutcase]

Hey guys! Been really sick and busy with work...but i just opened two big boxes with my spintech exhaust.....:headbang: Car is back underway! Woooot!

Your two projects are lookin absolutely killer as usual!

No no no no no no! You ain't getin' away that easy! Where's the pics bub?!?:lol:

John

[Poopy]

No Pics For You!

[novanutcase]

No Pics For You!

Uh Oh! The Paul VaNus disease is spreading!:lmao:

John

[slow4dr]

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Sometimes I feel like holding out on posting pics to build suspense but then I get all anxious and impatient and succumb to the pressure.

[slow4dr]

I've had some pretty major changes both with the car and some personal things lately so I've sold all the turbo components. The twin turbo set-up will live on through another Nova guy.


Anyway, I've had a little time to start moching up the radiator and intake as well as redo the watts link. I have been shopping around for a C6 Corvette factory take off airbox/bellows/maf etc but I had some leftover 3.5" aluminum tubing so I'm just going to use it instead.

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The 9" bars I was using on the watts link didn't allow enough suspension dropout to remove both wheels at the same time so I picked up some 12" bars and remounted it to the rearend.

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HP tuners, headers, exhaust, fuel cell, fuel lines, radiator hoses, a few small items and the engine will be ready to run.

[Poopy]

Sorry to hear about the twins, it will be killer without them anyways. :drive:

[slow4dr]

For sure, the turbos were going to be overkill for how light the car will be anyway. Now I can get back to my original budget.

How's your car coming along? You got that monster breathing fire yet?

[Poopy]

Nope, I ended up having to go in for surgery...just got home friday, so im on the mend for the next 4 weeks at least, no lifting. :(

[onebad2]

Loving this build!

Keep up on the updates!


P.S......

John you havent even seen the worst of it yet! hahahah

[slow4dr]

Nope, I ended up having to go in for surgery...just got home friday, so im on the mend for the next 4 weeks at least, no lifting. :(


Sorry to hear about the surgery. Get well soon :drive:

<--------waiting patiently for updates

[Rhino]

Maybe I missed it, but what did you end up doing for a rack now that you've narrowed the front? I'm working on a sub for a '68 Camaro and thought about doing a mustang II myself, but wasn't sure how it would work out.

[WILWAXU]

Great looking build!

[slow4dr]

Maybe I missed it, but what did you end up doing for a rack now that you've narrowed the front? I'm working on a sub for a '68 Camaro and thought about doing a mustang II myself, but wasn't sure how it would work out.

I haven't picked one up yet but I am leaning towards a Chevette based on some measurements I found on stevesnovasite. I definitely don't have the budget for a custom rack.

I would think grafting a C4/C5 clip to a Camaro would be much easier because of the wider track width.

[kadettcqp]

Where did you get the parts for your three-link? Especially the links/bushings for the front of the arms where they connect to the chassis. Are Those universal bushings and then just a peice og tube bought in the right size and the welded to som threaded tubing? Or are they bought as a kit?

[slow4dr]

Where did you get the parts for your three-link? Especially the links/bushings for the front of the arms where they connect to the chassis. Are Those universal bushings and then just a peice og tube bought in the right size and the welded to som threaded tubing? Or are they bought as a kit?

I got them from a local place called "G & J Aircraft". Yes, I just threaded the sleeve to take a right hand thread stud and then welded a sleeve to the outside to reinforce it.

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[slow4dr]

Curiousity has been getting the better of me lately so I borrowed the big boss mans scales.

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[novanutcase]

Stop posting stuff so people don't know your car is for sale! DAMMIT!

At least this way it gives you some time to come to your senses! LOL!

John

[slow4dr]

LOL

I think the current market will make the decision for me.

[E.rodz]

I have installed a few of theese front suspensions and the problem is the stearing rack.you can't use it where it is in the picts or your motor will stick through the hood the spindles are kind of an issue depending on the stance that your looking for as far as i know nobudy makes a dropped spindle for theese but you can cut the stearing arm off and make your own dropped stearing arms.your not out of the woods yet but keep on mocking up.you might be better off fabricating your front crossmember insted of using the stock c4 one.:bsjerk:

[slow4dr]

I have installed a few of theese front suspensions and the problem is the stearing rack.you can't use it where it is in the picts or your motor will stick through the hood the spindles are kind of an issue depending on the stance that your looking for as far as i know nobudy makes a dropped spindle for theese but you can cut the stearing arm off and make your own dropped stearing arms.your not out of the woods yet but keep on mocking up.you might be better off fabricating your front crossmember insted of using the stock c4 one.:bsjerk:

John Parsons mentioned the rack clearance issues back on page one(if memory serves me well). I used this as an excuse to help weight distribution and move the engine back 8"-9". Building a custom crossmember was discussed somewhere back in there as well.

Plenty of engine/rack clearance
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