Alloway's Mustang - Spy pics

[CraigMorrison]

OK so they aren't really spy shots, but they're pretty cool anyway. The engine should be going to the dyno in the next couple of weeks, and they are looking for the 1200-1400hp range out of it. Bobby has promised dyno shots and dyno sheets for me to post up here.
Enjoy the pics!
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/07/CopyofDSCN1958vi-1.jpg

More can be seen here! http://public.fotki.com/CraigMorrison/alloways_mustang/

[F70t/a]

It looks like it's gonna be the year of the stangs!:kiss: Where is Bobby's shop at?

[Steve1968LS2]

OK so they aren't really spy shots, but they're pretty cool anyway. The engine should be going to the dyno in the next couple of weeks, and they are looking for the 1200-1400hp range out of it. Bobby has promised dyno shots and dyno sheets for me to post up here.
Enjoy the pics!
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/07/CopyofDSCN1958vi-1.jpg

More can be seen here! http://public.fotki.com/CraigMorrison/alloways_mustang/

I know of this magazine that has an "under construction" section.. maybe they should get a high-res of this image???

Just a thought.. lol

[CraigMorrison]

I know of this magazine that has an "under construction" section.. maybe they should get a high-res of this image???

Just a thought.. lol

Street Rod Builder? LOL.... I am sure that Bobby can send you a hi res image.

[Steve1968LS2]

Street Rod Builder? LOL.... I am sure that Bobby can send you a hi res image.

Bobby isn't much of a "computer guy".. maybe you could help him out. lol

Oh, and a rendering as well... I have room in the November issue.

[formula]

man...that thing's cool enough to make a bowtie man's ovals trun blue. Can't wait to see it finished. The wheel rendering looks incredible! :worship:

[Blown353]

Looks great!

Another question if anyone knows--

The vents in that hood are available seperately with oversize flanges for grafting into anything you want... anybody know where I can get them? Somebody told me Meyer Racing has them but they said they didn't...

FYI, pic of that hood:

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I need a set of those louvers for a near-term "upgrade" on my car...

[MrQuick]

Wow that looks great, thanks for the link to the album...there goes my afternoon. LOL

[Chad-1stGen]

Wow that looks great, thanks for the link to the album...there goes my afternoon. LOL

ha ha no kidding.

Love the car.

[Bill Howell]

I talked to Bobby at Columbus then again on the phone Monday. I have got to get by his shop, he is only about 45 minutes from my house.

[rockdogz]

Holy Schnikes!!
:rolleyes:

[TonyHuntimer]

Can't wait to see it done.

:)
Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com

[preston]

Craig you are in Fife I assume you are associated with Art Morrison Enterprises.

Looks like you guys supplied one of your muscle car frames to Alloway.

Do you have any other connection to the car ? I guess I'm just wondering if there was anywhere to get some more information on the car (ie what suspension, trans, etc.)

Looks like pretty stock Shelby bodylines there, but I guess that is usually the way Alloway goes. Even though I loved HighTech Cuda or whatever it was called and have a poster on my wall, I'm still undecided whether I like the extreme customization of muscle car bodies vs. a clean interpretration of classic lines. I would says its the latter, but I guess its all good.

Apropros, as I am considering chaning my '67 coupe over to a fastback in its next generation. Its been tough since while most people love the fastback I've always kind of liked the more working mans sedan-like coupe style, and the changeover is a lot of work for something I don't get that excited about myself. But after seeing these pictures, I'm thinking damn those fastbacks are pretty cool !

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

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[customcam]

Craig ur a Legend! thanks

[BANKO]

Troy, by a "near-term" upgrade are you referring to twin turbos on your Chevelle? That would be sweet.

[CraigMorrison]

customcam / Evan - ask and you shall recieve. The onlything that Bobby didn't want me to post were the renderings of the interior and exterior. All I can say is :hail: ! Eric Brockmeyer did a phenominal job on the graphic design/paint scheme.


Preston- What sort of info do you want? Yes, I am associated with AME (I'm Art's son and marketing manager at AME). We build all of the chassis for Bobby's projects outside of his "Rats Glass" cars.

The engine is a 4.6 mod motor, twin turbo....the engine builder's name eludes me right now. Our chassis - IFS front with tri 4-bar in the rear. As Bobby told me this morning; they aren't looking to build a TT, Silverstate, 0-200-0 car, they are just looking to build a kick butt street machine that works well out on the highways and twisty 2-lane country roads.

I believe the trans is going to be a T56 6-speed (viper trans). If you would like any more info, please let me know. Also- if you are ever down in the Fife area, stop in and I'll give you the .25- cent tour.


Bill- You are only 45 min away!?!?!?! Geeze get over there! He's got some really cool projects going on right now.

[preston]

Thanks that's all I was looking for. After looking at the pictures myself I did figure out that it was one of your muscle car chassis and suspension.

They are gonna make 1200-1400 hp out of a Mod Motor ?

Must be planning on some serious boost !

Two years ago I thought I was "out of control" for running 800 hp. Things are getting out of hand !

Still scares me, I feel no need to play a numbers game though. Well, I guess maybe I'll crank the wastegate up a few lbs one of these days LOL.

[BANKO]

I don't mean to sound critical, but the rear wheel/tire combo seems to be a bit large for its proportion to the front wheels. Has anybody else noticed that a lot of old pro-street cars are getting this look as guys install 22's on their cars?

-Josh

[CraigMorrison]

Josh- One of Alloway's "trademarks" is to use large diameter wheels.

[Blown353]

Troy, by a "near-term" upgrade are you referring to twin turbos on your Chevelle? That would be sweet.

We'll see about the hairdryers... the Procharger works great but those little spinning mufflers have always appealed to me and certainly haven't been ruled out. The car needs paint & bodywork before I reconsider the boost-generating device(s)-- current engine runs great, but it won't do much good if I let the little bit of rust under the vinyl top keep spreading! :eek:

For now I just want to get some hot and high pressure air out from under the hood. Those louvers will do the trick and look pretty good doing it since I've seen them in person. Just need to track down where they came from, probably going to graft them onto a correct 68-69 SS hood either from VFN or Glasstek and use Aerocatch latches.

Good to hear from you again Josh, haven't in a long time...

[BANKO]

Craig, thanks for the education on it being part of his design style. I hadn't heard much about him until recently when I saw some posts about his infamous mustang. The twin turbo fabrication on his car is pretty unreal. Can't wait to see how the car turns out.

[Boyd]

This car is awesome. I wondered why they stretched the front-end (look between the a-pillar and front wheel opening) and then I clicked the link....very cool way to package twin turbos. Who commissioned this build?

[WEAVER]

It is going to me interesting at sema there will be some bad ass mustangs there, Doug Hoppe's (ring bros) is very badddd boy also.
Me and Paul Atkins are keeping are interior designs a secret on these
two cars.should be a fun time in vegas.can't wait . Paul is an awsum designer.Were going to try out a new look and concept on Hoppe's

[THX 138]

wicked

[CraigMorrison]

Who commissioned this build?

This car is being built for George Lange - All around great guy and longtime Alloway customer. The T-Bird that won SMOY a few years back belonged to George as well.

[WEAVER]

Craig, thanks for the education on it being part of his design style. I hadn't heard much about him until recently when I saw some posts about his infamous mustang. The twin turbo fabrication on his car is pretty unreal. Can't wait to see how the car turns out.
Bobby has been building cars for awhile now, he designed the speedstar line of street rods,he has built a lot of high profile street rods (pre 49 cars). good builder,has his own style

[MSchu]

Hey Blown353, check out raceace.com for hood louvers. I don't know anything about them; I actually just saw them in an ad in the back of PHR last night. The louvers on that hood look stamped/fabbed. What are the louvers on the Mule's hood?

[jeff s]

Sweet

[Bob Johnson]

I don't mean to sound critical, but the rear wheel/tire combo seems to be a bit large for its proportion to the front wheels. Has anybody else noticed that a lot of old pro-street cars are getting this look as guys install 22's on their cars?

-Josh
we looked at 22's and 20's on the Cuda..We felt it overpowered the car. We would have liked a little taller tire on the rear but no one makes one that will handle the speed

[Bob Johnson]

This car is being built for George Lange - All around great guy and longtime Alloway customer. The T-Bird that won SMOY a few years back belonged to George as well.
56 crown Vick Ford was his too

[CraigMorrison]

56 crown Vick Ford was his too

:hand: I knew I was missing one there.....

[Bob Johnson]

The Cuda will be back @ SEMA this year...probably carry it out there in race trim..got several people wanting it in their booth..one of which is Mattel...they're producing a die cast line of the Cuda and will introduce them at SEMA..

[Bob Johnson]

:hand: I knew I was missing one there.....
trying to get a worm this morning?? 5AM out there lol

[CraigMorrison]

I just saw your response pop up and thought- geeze Bob's up quite early......then I realized it's 5:14am out here. Art's passed on this early morning thing onto me. He's usually at work by 4am at the latest and I usually sluff in here around 5. I guess we can't get enough of a car fix.

Not only that, it's our hometown Goodguys show this weekend. I am heading out soon to do some last minute detail work on my '40 before we head over.

[BADVELLE]

Alloway builds some of the nicest rides out there, I have really come to like his large wheel size spread front to rear, mostly seen on the older rods.

[CraigMorrison]

Just spoke with Bobby-

The rears on the car are 20". He said it looked really awful with 22" on it.......

He's sending me a bunch more photos over the next few days so I'll post them as soon as I've got them,

To quote Mr. Alloway in reference to the wheels: "Wheels are kind of like boobs, while the stock ones look OK, the big ones look a whole lot better."

[Mean 69]

The biggest "performance" tires I was able to find with a decent sidewall are the Mich' PS2's, they make a 335/30/20, which is what's going on the 68 Satellite project. Huge wheelwells on those cars, need lots of wheel to fill them, and the 30 series aspect ratio still gives enough sidewall such that you don't look (and feel) like you're on rubber bands. This tire is OE on the Porsche Carrera GT.

Biggest R Compound tires I've seen are the 335/30/18's, which is what's going on the 70. Don't need anything more on that car, but I'd love to have R Compounds on the 68 Mopar, guess I'll have to settle.

It is so cool watching these super high end projects being built, some really crafty and innovative work on them. AME seems to get all of the good ones too! Someday....

Mark

[preston]

I don't think the car is stretched at all - it looks like it because the SHelby front end kind of lengthens it a bit.

The early mustang has one of the longest spaces between the a-pillar and the front wheels of any sedan style car. I know because for awhile I was bored with the Mustang and looking at other body styles, but to fit my front end suspension design and keep the motor way back in the chassis while still keeping the back of the block lined up no further to the rear than the windshield, you need a lot of space here. The only cars that qualified from measuing off of photos etc. were the early stangs, the 2005 stangs, and a '68 El Dorado Cadillac, as well as most of the vettes. But I couldn't see building a vette and the Cadillac would be a totally ultimate street machine but was too big and expensive of a project and would be way too heavy for the track, but when one of these top name builders does it I'll be pissed because I have a bitchin' vision of a black on black El Dorado with big wheels done right, slight rake, and of course a completely redone RWD chassis (Stock Cad is FWD if you can believe that).

I have my turbos packaged the same way on my '67, but I ran the pipes down the rockers. Sure avoided a lot of that crazy pipe routing you see, and it keeps the floor down at the ground plane wher eit belongs instead of 3-4" higher than the ground plane. Obviously the original rockers are gone (tube frame) and with the stock polished molding hanging off the fabbed rockers, you can't even tell its not stock in that area.

What I'm digging on is the tubular intake manifold. We've seen that on Moran's quad turbo drag car and there was an early Mustang with turbos in Hot Rod one time like that. I think it looks cool, but I don't want to delve deep enough into manifold design to do it right, and while its nice and compact on Alloway's car I know in my case it would take up a lot of room.

[preston]

I had the same issue on the tire size. I wanted to go to the 20" on the new car for traction reasons more than looks, but then it screws all the geometry up for your track wheels which must be 18" for tire sourcing reasons and fiscal sanity.

Once you're paying for 18" wheels and tires, the 20" stuff is not really that much more expensive.

Besides, I thnk there will be a big wheel backlash coming in another 5 years and cars with really big wheels will start to look dated like a pro street car does today. Not that there's anythingw rong with that because another 5 years and it will look cool again like a good pro street car does today LOL.

[WEAVER]

Just spoke with Bobby-

The rears on the car are 20". He said it looked really awful with 22" on it.......

He's sending me a bunch more photos over the next few days so I'll post them as soon as I've got them,

To quote Mr. Alloway in reference to the wheels: "Wheels are kind of like boobs, while the stock ones look OK, the big ones look a whole lot better."
GOOD ANSWER AFTER MARKET PARTS ARE AWSUM

[WEAVER]

The Cuda will be back @ SEMA this year...probably carry it out there in race trim..got several people wanting it in their booth..one of which is Mattel...they're producing a die cast line of the Cuda and will introduce them at SEMA..
Bob when will they be in stores to buy

[J2speedandcustom]

To quote Mr. Alloway in reference to the wheels: "Wheels are kind of like boobs, while the stock ones look OK, the big ones look a whole lot better."

I like that alot. :lmao:

[Bob Johnson]

The biggest "performance" tires I was able to find with a decent sidewall are the Mich' PS2's, they make a 335/30/20, which is what's going on the 68 Satellite project. Huge wheelwells on those cars, need lots of wheel to fill them, and the 30 series aspect ratio still gives enough sidewall such that you don't look (and feel) like you're on rubber bands. This tire is OE on the Porsche Carrera GT.

Biggest R Compound tires I've seen are the 335/30/18's, which is what's going on the 70. Don't need anything more on that car, but I'd love to have R Compounds on the 68 Mopar, guess I'll have to settle.

It is so cool watching these super high end projects being built, some really crafty and innovative work on them. AME seems to get all of the good ones too! Someday....

Mark
look @ Michelin Sport Cups..i'm almost positive they make a 345X30X18...we have the Carrera GT Michelins front and rear on the Cuda

[Bob Johnson]

Bob when will they be in stores to buy
they haven't said..maybe they'll be selling them @ SEMA..should be in stores right after that