Scott Hot rod 69 sub frame

[FJB2069]

Scotts hot rods has a new 69 sub frame pictured in street rodder magazine. Completely tig welded and cnc'd.

Does anyone know anything about this or their products in general?

[KWIKND]

I heard they are having money problems. Beware

Dan

[FJB2069]

pics of new subframe (bag version) look nice.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Holy Crap, look at the front subframe bushing support, LOL! What the hell is that? What keeps it from folding up? At least cap it. I think I hate it.

[Matt@RFR]

Frank, that's nothin' compared to the upper and lower shock mounts. And the UCA frame mount. That is one scary piece.

[cykotic]

Doesn't look like a lot of time and thought went into it. I'd steer clear.

[zbugger]

It's strictly a show car hot rod piece. The shock severely limits tire width choice, and the rest looks too shabby.

[victionone]

Holy Crap, look at the front subframe bushing support, LOL! What the hell is that? What keeps it from folding up? At least cap it. I think I hate it.

Frank, that is nonsense. Once the engine is bolted onto the mounts, im sure everything will be nice and sturdy. :naughty:

[Steve1968LS2]

That's one funky looking design.. it's very.. innovative? :lol:

[hotrdblder]

Frank, that is nonsense. Once the engine is bolted onto the mounts, im sure everything will be nice and sturdy. :naughty:
nonsense how the hell is the engine gonna sturdy anything??? lmao, that thing is junk, first time you come to a stop sign the front bodymount will fold,JUNK

[baz67]

It looks like almost 0* KPI. Mmmm, lots of scrub radius. I guess that is why it is Scotts Hot Rods and not Detroit Speed and Engineering

[Mean 69]

It looks like almost 0* KPI.

Huh? How do you see that? I'm most likely missing something, and am assuming you are referring to kingpin angle (front view)?

Air must be thin up there in the clear Rockies, eh?

So many subframes, too many mistakes.
M

[baz67]

Uh, yes, kingpin inclination. Like I said, it looks like it. I could have said KPA, I guess and yes the air is thin. Not only is it thin, but I can actually see the mountains. The lack of smog is wonderful. You should try it.

[victionone]

nonsense how the hell is the engine gonna sturdy anything??? lmao, that thing is junk, first time you come to a stop sign the front bodymount will fold,JUNK



It was a joke... :hand:

[wendell]

Like tits on a TIG'ed bull.

Eventually some one is going to fold up one of these subframes and the whole industry is going to go to hell.

As an aside, last weekend I got to see a snout separate from an up right at over 100mph. It was spectacular (no one was hurt).

[kennyd]

from experence STAY AWAY .

[fordeater]

On my 68 camaro I am running a scotts clip it has alden coil-overs
and has wilwood 6 piston calipers with 13 inch rotors and manual rack
we have taken the car to willow springs race track in rosemand ca
on open track day and the track is a 2.5 mile course it handles great

[bretcopsey]

Good Lord, do you have to clearance the firewall to fit the shocks???:barf:

[BADVELLE]

I know a certain suspension company that had to redo some work on a front end from Scott's, IMHO, their s*$@ is scary!:drive2:

[TBART70]

makes my martz look good compared to that, and I don't even know what I'm talking about!

[derekf]

I split the "tech vs. opinion" portion into another thread - https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20732 - because it looked like it needed it. Let's keep this thread on topic, please.

[CFster]

How do you adjust the camber?

[6'9"Witha69]

How do you adjust the camber?Looks same as Caster, just turn both bolts instead of one.
What I don't get is where the shock mounts up top! It looks like You need toreally clearance the inner fenders. Wonder how much thought went into dampening that suspension. Also, don't bags have the shock built in? Or is that just better quality bags like those from ART?

[CFster]

Looks same as Caster, just turn both bolts instead of one.
What I don't get is where the shock mounts up top! It looks like You need toreally clearance the inner fenders. Wonder how much thought went into dampening that suspension. Also, don't bags have the shock built in? Or is that just better quality bags like those from ART?

Yeah but, what I don't get is how would you turn both ends in or out without changing the angle...wouldn't they bind up?

[6'9"Witha69]

Yeah but, what I don't get is how would you turn both ends in or out without changing the angle...wouldn't they bind up?No, you can see in the first pic how there are 2 pivots in the arm, one horizontal and one vertical.

[CFster]

Where those joints are (with the allen head bolts facing down), if you crank those adjusters out (to give it more positive camber), doesn't that increase the distance between the front and rear joints? You've increased the length of two sides of your triangle but not the third. The angle can't change at the ball joint end...

I can understand how you can change it for caster adjustments - as the pivots on either end will allow the arm to swing back and forth. But if you want to adjust both in or out at the same time your out of luck.

But if you say so...

[fordeater]

First of all I am not a chassis builder at all and do not claim to be.I have purchased a camaro clip from Scotts and I can say they are
quality built.The Scotts clip is alot stronger and looks alot better.
On the front part of the clip in front of the crossmember I do have
crossmember welded on the inside of my frame.Also on the body
bushing mount it is made out of 1/4 plate and is 100% tig welded and
boxed in.On my clip I am using alden coil-overs where my upper shock-
mounts are welded to the top of my crossmember also is boxed in for
added strenghth.My track width on my clip is 59 1/2 i asked for that
track width and got it.I do know that scotts can build at any specific
track you want.My arms are 1 1/8 1/4 wall dom tubing and my rodends
are machined out of 304 s.s billet.My clip is 100% tig welded and if you
saw the clip i had from the other company I recieved you would not want to install it on your car if they gave it to you.I am not employed
by Scotts at all I do not know them very well at all.I am just a customer of scotts that is very happy on what I got.For the people out
there scotts just moved in to a brand new building they built in oxnard
ca,about one year ago i built the building for them.I am a building contractor in ventura county located in ca,also the clip that is being
shown in the pictures is a bagged clip not coilovers that one is not
complete either.The track width is wheel mounting surface to wheel
mounting surface

[Matt@RFR]

I have purchased a camaro clip from Scotts and I can say they are quality built. And this observation is based on how many years of your experience in the metal fabrication or mechanical engineering industries?


I am a building contractor... I see. Thanks for the quick answer.


The Scotts clip is alot stronger and looks alot better. Some very smart people dissagree with you. On both counts.


100% tig welded You should say that twice.


My clip is 100% tig welded Ahh, thanks! So on to business; Please give your professional opinion as to why TIG welding a subframe is better than MIG. Or Stick even. You know, I'll make this easy for you, in my professional opinion, anything you're about to say in answer to my question is wrong. There. I love saving time.


My arms are 1 1/8 1/4 wall dom tubing Yeah? So, have you nicknamed your subframe yet? If not, how about Elephant?


my rodends are machined out of 304 s.s billet. Funny, I see a bunch of clevices. Either way, is 304 really the best alloy to be making structural suspension components out of, or just the least expensive and most common? Want a hint?


and if you
saw the clip i had from the other company I recieved you would not want to install it on your car if they gave it to you. Name it.

[BonzoHansen]

Matt, I can't believe you could decipher all that.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/07/snacks-1.gif

[BRIAN]

Wow, So much for someone having an opinion.

[Matt@RFR]

Brian, contrary to popular belief, opinions can be wrong. His was. :)

[formula]

Does anyone know the cost on this sub? My macaroni-and-elmers subframe's geometry is a bit lacking and I'd like to move up to something a bit more robust.

[Damn True]

Ya know. If you turned it upside down and put a piece of thick plate glass on it you'd have a nifty looking coffee table. I don't think I'd want it any closer to my car than the living room.

[baz67]

Ya know. If you turned it upside down and put a piece of thick plate glass on it you'd have a nifty looking coffee table. I don't think I'd want it any closer to my car than the living room.

Are you sure you want to do that True. Ya know those bushing brackets may fold under the weight of the glass.:jump:

[Damn True]

Are you sure you want to do that True. Ya know those bushing brackets may fold under the weight of the glass.:jump:

The strength of that upper shock mount should offset it nicely.:pat:

[novanutcase]

fordeater- I'm not going to comment on your post or the "subframe" you posted about. Just know that when you make statements on these types of forums there are guys on here that have many years, if not decades, of experience so they have all learned that when it looks like s*^t and smells like s#@t it must be ****!(There, said it, sorry moderator!). If it is working in your car, good for you! They see it differently and I would have to agree with them solely on the fact that they know more than I do! I think, aside from the snide remarks, their aim is to warn others about the safety aspects of the "design" that went into the "subframe" and is in no way an attack on you personally. Many people post on this site and to be able to discern those that have experience from those that are just farting in the wind is not easy. When these gentlemen see someone that is posting something that could be dangerous to others then they will voice their opinion.LOUDLY!. Here is a suggestion! Don't post on this thread anymore because your just going to make yourself look ignorant and Scott's look worse. Just my opinion!

P.S. Matt- If you have that much time to tear apart fordeaters post then I need to come down to your shop so we can button up the super secret IRS we have been talking about!:lmao:

[gt1guy]

That subframe is MIG welded, look close. Nobody is going to waist the time it would take to TIG that thing up.

Kevin

[chicane67]

Ah... no. Its TIG welded, no question. If you have done enough welding in your time, you can tell it was TIG'd. I could not even imagine what diameter of filler they used tho.

To each their own..... looks like it will be a nice cruizer for the show types. Although, you wouldnt catch me running a sub like that..... but I'll give him an "A" for effort and a "D" for execution for a real world driver.

But then again..... I dont built sub frames, so what the hell do I know ??

[cadpro]

speaking from experience, steer clear!

I worked for a shop that order a "custom" front end from Scotts for putting a SBC in an Healey, and needless to say, it needed alot more work to make it fit. They said we didn't know what we were doing (a chassis shop that had been in business for over 15 years) and that their frame was fine.

... plus Scott just sounds weird on the phone... and then you see if him in real life. Yikes!

[brianj5600]

Wow, a mod, a sponsor and a rectum. I think we should all read the Rules of Conduct. I think I may be pushing #4.

[Matt@RFR]

Wow, a mod, a sponsor and a rectum. I think we should all read the Rules of Conduct. I think I may be pushing #4. I aim to please!

And by the way, I think you meant rule #3, not #4.


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[gt1guy]

Chicane, your right. Upon a second look, yes it's TIG welded. I was going off that big glob right next to the body mount, and the HAZ. Generally the HAZ on a good TIG weld will be much tighter. But as you said, big filler wire with the heat turned way up just to melt it would look the same.

Kevin

[brianj5600]

I aim to please!

And by the way, I think you meant rule #3, not #4.You are right, my bad.

[derekf]

Enough.

Talk about the subframe, not about the member. We have no forums to discuss members in, which makes me happy.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Tig welded, Mig welded, hell, it could be super glued together for all I care cause I will never use one, LOL!

[trapin]

I just wanted to pop in here and say.............I have nothing to add to this conversation.

Thank you.

[TonyL]

I dont think anyone has anything to add at this point. So I closed it.