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    1. #1
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      I have a problem.. no emergency brakes...

      Wasn't a problem with the TH400.. with the T56 it is.

      My rear PBR brakes don't have an e-brake system. So, besides wheel chocks, I need to find an answer.

      How about a pinion e-brake system like this to mount to my 3rd member?

      http://www.tperformance.com/street_r...ncy_brake_kit/

      I know they are not as good but I only need it for a parking brake.

      Thoughts?

      "A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for."

      1968 Track Rat Camaro:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGHJ5c1yLIo&t=2s

      1971 Chevelle Wagon with a few mods:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBVPR3sRgyU


    2. #2
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      something to think about

      I would worrie about the rotational mass on the front pinnion bearing.
      If its at all out of balance you will eat pinnion bearings up and the first to go will be the pinnion seal.

      We have a truck at work we put a disk on the output of the Tcase , it causes the output shaft nut to come loose and causes a Horrid vibration upon decell.
      Needless to say its coming off
      Not good to go flogging across the whoops at 100 + and have the dshaft leave you.
      I guess in short, I would not use it =) JMO

      Ken F
      69 Camaro
      W/D sub, Wilwood 13" brakes Bozeforged wheels 18X10 & 18X12,
      Lateral dynamics 3 link ( custom setup ) Dana 60
      lsX Twin Turbo, soon to come
      Viper T56 in place (Yay)
      Bought a running driving car so I can enjoy it before Im dead
      LD 3 Link Installed into ^^^^^ (Yay)

    3. #3
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      Put a fluid lock on it .

    4. #4
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      Frank, Do you mean a line lock or something similar to it?
      Sean James

      69 Firebird - Build Thread
      72 Firebird

    5. #5
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      I've thought about using a line-lock for a parking brake, as well. I'm going to a Ford 9" floater with 2-piece rotors, so a spot caliper is the only real option (an expensive one at that). However, I'm worried about how long a line-lock will hold for at one time and if it could develop a slow leak over a lot of usage. Are some systems better or worse for longevity and reliability?

      Edit: It seems like there'd be a lot of stress on your caliper piston seals and such....maybe it's not such a good idea. :(

    6. #6
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      Good info here.. let's keep it going.

      After all, most of us need a parking brake.

      I though of a line lock but was concerned about the long term problems. I can park the car in gear but would like something additional to keep any rolling from happening.

      The wheel chock idea might be what I go with. At least till I can afford a set of rear Wilwoods.
      "A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for."

      1968 Track Rat Camaro:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGHJ5c1yLIo&t=2s

      1971 Chevelle Wagon with a few mods:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBVPR3sRgyU

    7. #7
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      OMG I totally forgot you can use a fluid lock lever
      Steve thaat is the answer we have one on a rear disc setup on a 14 blt chev rear end in an F250 4x4
      it goes in the rear brake line you just run the rear brake line into the car somewhere and through the fluid lock and back out to rear brake, when u need parking braake you step on the brakes and flip the lever.
      I will try to find out where we got it
      EDIT: this is not an electrical line lock
      Ken F
      69 Camaro
      W/D sub, Wilwood 13" brakes Bozeforged wheels 18X10 & 18X12,
      Lateral dynamics 3 link ( custom setup ) Dana 60
      lsX Twin Turbo, soon to come
      Viper T56 in place (Yay)
      Bought a running driving car so I can enjoy it before Im dead
      LD 3 Link Installed into ^^^^^ (Yay)

    8. #8
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      69 Camaro
      W/D sub, Wilwood 13" brakes Bozeforged wheels 18X10 & 18X12,
      Lateral dynamics 3 link ( custom setup ) Dana 60
      lsX Twin Turbo, soon to come
      Viper T56 in place (Yay)
      Bought a running driving car so I can enjoy it before Im dead
      LD 3 Link Installed into ^^^^^ (Yay)

    9. #9
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      JaMar makes a fluid parking brake button goes in the rear line or front. You push the brake pedal and push the button. Its $30 or so.

      corrected
      Last edited by ProdigyCustoms; 06-25-2006 at 05:36 PM.

    10. #10
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      Are there any problems with leaving the lines pressurized for long periods of time?
      Jeff
      1970 Corvette
      LS1 & T56
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    11. #11
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      That's my fear, wouldn't constant pressure on the pistons add up and possibly cause the seals to leak? Especially against HOT rotors... Also, if for some reason you lose brake pressure, you won't have a 2nd option to stop. I know that my e-brake saved my ass once in my Firebird. The c-clip fell off my brake pedal pin and the pin worked its way out and I had no brakes approaching a red light.

    12. #12
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      You're headed down a path that I know very well....

      I looked at a hydraulic means of locking the rear brake to act as a parking brake. I didn't want to go with a line lock since I understand that they draw power while activated (thus leaving the car with the park brake on results in a dead battery). So I went to a local cirlce track supplier and found a manual valve in his catalog. My thought was to run the brake line into the car some how, so I could depress the brake pedal, flip the lever locking the rears and thus having a park brake....

      I'm not sure about the type of vechical inspections that your state may have, but here in New Brunswick Canada we have annual safety inspections. I went to a local shop, sat down and read their guidlines pertaining to valid parking brakes. It still wasn't clear if this would be considered valid. Finally I spoke with the head engineer for the entire province and he said that it absolutely DID NOT constitue a valid emergency brake! I returned the manual valve....

      So I bought rear calipers (88 Camaro) with built in e-brake. Lets just say I never got them to work.

      I now have a set of small Wilwood spot calipers mounted under my rear 81 Malibu single piston caliper. The spot calipers were about 60 bucks each. Their not the greatest thing since sliced bread, but at least I now have a working AND VALID park brake.

      I've promised some pics to a few people doing the CBB thing. I will have some by Monday, I PROMISE!

      Robb

    13. #13
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      I thought that someone made a separate parking brake caliper kit, that added a mechanical brake alongside the existing caliper, but I can't remember who now.
      James
      -1969 Camaro Sport Coupe
      -1996 Z28
      -2005 Silverado
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    14. #14
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      Quote Originally Posted by Stupidnewbie
      That's my fear, wouldn't constant pressure on the pistons add up and possibly cause the seals to leak? Especially against HOT rotors... Also, if for some reason you lose brake pressure, you won't have a 2nd option to stop. I know that my e-brake saved my ass once in my Firebird. The c-clip fell off my brake pedal pin and the pin worked its way out and I had no brakes approaching a red light.
      You never set a park brake on very hot rotors (like at the track).. just park on level ground and leave in gear
      "A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for."

      1968 Track Rat Camaro:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGHJ5c1yLIo&t=2s

      1971 Chevelle Wagon with a few mods:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBVPR3sRgyU

    15. #15
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      Quote Originally Posted by ProdigyCustoms
      J Mar makes a fluid parking brake button goes in the rear line or front. You push the brake pedal and push the button. Its $30 or so.
      I'm not finding anything online.. anyone have a link?

      I envision something simple.. a box with a valve lever.

      anyone?
      "A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for."

      1968 Track Rat Camaro:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGHJ5c1yLIo&t=2s

      1971 Chevelle Wagon with a few mods:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBVPR3sRgyU

    16. #16
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      Look at the Lever Lock on page 3. I know a guy that uses it on a Dart with good results.

      http://www.mico.com/litpdf/80-950-152.pdf
      Gary Armstrong

      Big block Duster in progress.....I mean purgatory....Hell with it I named it "Project Purgatory"


    17. #17
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      I know a guy using this set-up also.

      http://www.tsmmfg.com/Pinion_Mounted_Parking_Brakes.htm
      Gary Armstrong

      Big block Duster in progress.....I mean purgatory....Hell with it I named it "Project Purgatory"


    18. #18
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      Here is a pic of the lever lock on the bottom left under the dash.
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      Gary Armstrong

      Big block Duster in progress.....I mean purgatory....Hell with it I named it "Project Purgatory"


    19. #19
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      Although I don't have a link, the manual valve that I found was apparently used by dirt track cars. They install it on the right front line to only apply the brakes to the left front. Not sure about that, since there's no form of dirt track racing in this part of the world.... That may give you something to ask your supplier about.

      Robb

    20. #20
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      I appoligize Steve, Here it is, click brake products, then about half down the page, Hydraulic park lock

      http://jamarperformance.com/product_main.asp

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