gangreen

[jeff5347]

Anyone see the episode of w to r last night. They did a drag car that they named Gangreen. Dont get me wrong i love novas and the color was pretty nice but again,... i saw some hack stuff done

1. I havent done a full resto yet but doesnt it make sense to test fit everything before paint
A. Grinding the leaf springs to make the tire fit.
B. Cutting the 1/4 after paint has been done
C. Putting a jack in the quarter to spread the inner wheel well.
2. I saw a lot of fitting after the fact and i was always taught and found to test 2 x, do it once and then paint.
Also if i am going to an auction and gonna pay what they claim these cars a worth i want to know that it was a quality job and not a throw together. I know i know that they have 4 weeks but 50 k such as the gangreen is a hefty chunk for a so so car. Not saying it is cause tv edits a lot of stuff but.

[hotrodgal]

Anyone see the episode of w to r last night. They did a drag car that they named Gangreen. Dont get me wrong i love novas and the color was pretty nice but again,... i saw some hack stuff done

1. I havent done a full resto yet but doesnt it make sense to test fit everything before paint
A. Grinding the leaf springs to make the tire fit.
B. Cutting the 1/4 after paint has been done
C. Putting a jack in the quarter to spread the inner wheel well.
2. I saw a lot of fitting after the fact and i was always taught and found to test 2 x, do it once and then paint.
Also if i am going to an auction and gonna pay what they claim these cars a worth i want to know that it was a quality job and not a throw together. I know i know that they have 4 weeks but 50 k such as the gangreen is a hefty chunk for a so so car. Not saying it is cause tv edits a lot of stuff but.

If we were building this car under normal circumstances we would completely assemble the car, make sure everything fit just right, then blow it back apart for paint...I just wish some of you critics were available to come help us this next season...according to ya'll we could sure use your advice and knowledge...

[TonyL]

gotta take it with a grain of salt i guess becky. your show is caught now between a rock and hard place. they've tricked you into "slapping" together a show car and trying to sell it for top dollar. Next season, I fear that your going to have a real hard time selling these cars off. Few are willing to pay "Barry White" money for a "wrecks to riches" car. You had Barry's reputation to ride on before, but now that these shows are airing and the editors keep showing all the shortcuts rather than the planning, and custom fab work, your going to run into problems down the road. I can't believe Barry wanted to be known for throwing a car together every month and trying to make a fast buck. Its not to late to try and reduce the number of cars due for next season. I, for one wouldn't mind watching 3 shows on ONE car for a change.

Good luck though. You've got a real challange there. try not to take all the knee jerk reactions to heart. Your doing a good job, and we're glad you are willing to mingle with us here.

[hotrodgal]

gotta take it with a grain of salt i guess becky. your show is caught now between a rock and hard place. they've tricked you into "slapping" together a show car and trying to sell it for top dollar. Next season, I fear that your going to have a real hard time selling these cars off. Few are willing to pay "Barry White" money for a "wrecks to riches" car. You had Barry's reputation to ride on before, but now that these shows are airing and the editors keep showing all the shortcuts rather than the planning, and custom fab work, your going to run into problems down the road. I can't believe Barry wanted to be known for throwing a car together every month and trying to make a fast buck. Its not to late to try and reduce the number of cars due for next season. I, for one wouldn't mind watching 3 shows on ONE car for a change.

Good luck though. You've got a real challange there. try not to take all the knee jerk reactions to heart. Your doing a good job, and we're glad you are willing to mingle with us here.

I wish we could get the number of cars reduced...in fact they want us to do even more! We got a "production schedule" from them the other day, and they had two 3 week builds in there! What the hell are they thinking...they had agreed last year that if we did it again, we could have a minimum of 5 weeks per build...and now they're wanting 3? Besides being physically impossible, how the heck are we supposed to get parts for a complete car in that amount of time? Not to mention trying to keep work going on the 30 cars in the shop already...

Just shoot me now....

[jeff5347]

Becky,
I mean no Disrespect to any of the crew. But some of the stuff the tv cant edit they can only show you what is happening such as the jack in the wheelwell. I also understand that you guys are under a major timecrunch and 4 weeks is like trying to build an engine in 10 minutes. I do think the cars you guys produce look real nice such as the camaro as my fav but some of the stuff shows the inside of the car and still rust spots. I agree with Tony as i would love to see a car built over a 3 episode period. Look how Horsepower tv does it. They build the car in pieces each week. Also i know you guys dont run the schedule so that comment is thrown to the producers. all in all i dont like to bash cause what goes around comes around. And if you say that the cars you build off the show are really gone thru thats all i was wondering. So keep plugging and tell Barry to tighten the hoseclamps, check the firing order on the engines and not to redo any already mint vehicles ( blue Mopar)

[Hartz]

3 weeks? But Chip Foose can do it in 7 days. It's true - I saw it on TV! LOL

No wonder my friends wonder why it takes me so long to get anything done on my car....

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

i like pancakes...

[provintage]

I prefer scrambled eggs with cheese, biscuts and gravy, bacon and hash browns myself. LOL

[DaveO]

I think we're preaching to the choir. Is there any way we can get constructive comments to the network/producers who make these decisions - and make sure they actually get the feedback and do something with it?

[hotrodgal]

I think we're preaching to the choir. Is there any way we can get constructive comments to the network/producers who make these decisions - and make sure they actually get the feedback and do something with it?

I can pass on all of your comments...don't know if they'll do anything about it, but maybe. They have a certain agenda in their minds, and it takes an act of God to get our director to change his mind once he's decided on something.

[zbugger]

You guys.... I mean, really. Who here hasn't done something like that before? I mean, all of us at one time or another have used a big block Suburban to straighten out a set of ramps just so you can get your lowered car on a trailer, right? Or even used a bottle jack to push the tail panel of your car back close enough into place so your trunk latch lines up just enough to lock it up? Sometimes it's the "quick fixes" that are the most interesting. Cutting the 1/4 after paint? It happens more than you'd imagine.

[trapin]

Hey...I got some "fudging" on my car that will thankfully be hidden that I won't be telling anyone about when it's finished. After the fact fixes that couldn't be avoided. Happens to everyone. Actually...I think the modified quarters add to the ambiance(sp?) of the Gang Green Nova. It is, after all, supposed to be a retro build.

[I_work_for_Barry]

11 days. When it came down to it, after the car came back from paint,we built it in 11 days and did it with 4 people. Now I know that we have all seen some low 10 second red 72 Vega station wagon at super chevy go down the track and think wow that thing's quick, but when you go see the car in the pits it looks like some kid from midas mig welded the POS together and now you have second thoughts about it. For what it was and the time we had to fabricate the entire front end, mount a drop axle, sub frame connectors, drive shaft hoop, an 8 point cage plus a new fire wall, trans tunnel, motor plate, get it to the dyno, tune the thing, change a hand full of parts, take it to the track, run it and make it to the auction on time, I would say we did well. I think I spent more time looking for my new trans then we got to build the nova. What I'm getting at is this, if we had the time and the parts sitting around we would do some things different. Sometime parts come the day the car needs to be done. It's our first season, companies don't like to give a bunch of stuff to a car show that has no history. We got another season, and I can tell you guys this, the shop is going to step things up a bit. We have some cool cars in store for everyone next season so keep watching the show and please keep talking about it on the PT site. Thanks.

[wickedridz]

i would love to hear/see what the "god's" of "pro touring" would have to say about this..............................the car/ cars were awsome! admit it...........................all monday morning quarterbacking asside..................you like them ..................you really really like them. dare to be different ladies and gentalmen.............Horns up!

[GIDRDUN]

The Vega you are talking about WAS fast. It was TIG welded by the guy that tought you what you know, so be careful what is said. Until you have something better and faster, well you know!

[Damn True]

The Vega you are talking about WAS fast. It was TIG welded by the guy that tought you what you know, so be careful what is said. Until you have something better and faster, well you know!

You can take your "Until you have something better" line of rubbish and cram it and a pound of sand.....well you know.

That is a load my friend. If you put a car out there to be seen, be it at the track, a show, on the web, auction block or.....you guessed it, on TV you subject it, and the person who built it to criticism. Like it or not and regardless of the source you are open to any and all critics thoughts on the vision of the designer, the quality of the build and the skill of the fabricators.

The classy thing (and you'll see this from people like Bob (SN65), SW and others) is to accept it for what it is, another persons opinion on how they'd do it. No less valid than the opinion of the person who ACTUALLY did it. You come off looking like a goon if you tell someone they are wrong, stupid or not worthy of comment for having different tastes.

As to specific points such as using a floor jack to tweak the fenders on an already painted car. C'mon, you can't possibly say that a deed such as that is "quality work". Granted the shop was kinda forced into an absurd schedule. But call a spade a spade.

[trapin]

For 11 days and only 4 guys working....I'd say that was an impressive build. Plus the fact that you do not yet have the "Foose Factor" working in your favor when it comes to getting freebies for the cars. I would reckon you'll probably have a hard time getting them next season too. Perhaps these sponsers are hesitant to hand over parts knowing that they're going on a car that will immediately be sold at auction versus going on a car that will fulfill someones dream. I could see how they would be a bit squirrelly about that.

But then again I don't think you guys need the freebies...it seems like you've made a pretty good profit on the lot of cars you sold this year.

[GIDRDUN]

Damn True. The reason for the response was because the person it came directed it at me personal. Get a grip. They all need to grow some ba__s and say what they really mean. Good greif.

[TonyL]

They all need to grow some ba__s and say what they really mean.

Or at least, make up another fake identity here, and post using that name and say what you think thinking no one will figure it out.

Right?

lets not let this deteriorate further. You've got an issue with them? This aint the place for it.

warning #1.

[70.5z28]

"I work for Barry" I think I saw that Vaga at Super Chevy, it was a fast car, some long haired guy was driving right?

[wickedridz]

To Tony L,
thank you!.......................................alot of people at the shop will definatly appreciate your words. apparent;y there is STILL some sour grapes with a former employee it seems. i only hope that now that there is a second season of new and exciting builds everybody can enjoy it and move on. thanks for watching as always!

[jeff5347]

I do admit i do think the cars look like a million bucks when they roll out. I just am saying for the money charged i want a prestine car in every way. Between the rear 1/4s where you will never see. Yes im sure it is a hell of a lot more money for a ride like that but ...like damn true states, call a spade a spade. Also ,Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention. I've just been handed an urgent and horrifying news story. I need all of you, to stop what you're doing and listen. Cannonball.

[ProdigyCustoms]

No way was that a 6.10 pass.

[Elusive R]

Also ,Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention. I've just been handed an urgent and horrifying news story. I need all of you, to stop what you're doing and listen. Cannonball.

:rotfl:

Oh man, now I'm going to have to watch that one again....

Ryan

[andrewb70]

.....Is there any way we can get constructive comments to the network/producers who make these decisions - and make sure they actually get the feedback and do something with it?

"POWER" button on your TV.

Andrew

[Damn True]

Damn True. The reason for the response was because the person it came directed it at me personal. Get a grip. They all need to grow some ba__s and say what they really mean. Good greif.

I couldn't give good gawdam why you said it. You have no right to tell me or anyone else that their opinion is not valid.

Now, if you'd like to log on with your other SN and defend yourself go right ahead. But perhaps your time might be better spent elsewhere?

[Madspeed]

Wow
I think I am learnin a lot here
I too am guilty of Bashing some time or another and I wish I could take it all back
:hammer:

I think the Gangreen Machine all in all was pertty cool

Would I have done annything different? Probebly
Would it be anny better? probebly not.

I have come to realize that these reality shows are kinda not so nice to the car builders by pushing them into these Friggin rediculas timelines

I to wish they would let you folks have more time and strech out the show and build some cars Im damed shure your all capable of

When I first seen the show I too was dissapointed by some things I had seen, but continued observation has led me to understand You CAN NOT build 150% car in 50% of the time.

I wish you all luck over there as to geting these BONEHEADS to let you do some cars with a more realistic timeframe

Maybe when We all get our own showes and pull off the Impossible then we too will fully understand

Shoot it has taken me 1 week to fab and tigweld an eng cage from the downtubes of the inside cab cage of BigYellow (umm its a 900 hp linked 4X4 dualy)

My hat is off to al ya H/Q builders =)
:cool:

[zbugger]

No way was that a 6.10 pass.
Umm.. In the 1/8th? And I don't even think they showed the entire pass.

[BigDan]

There is/was a thread over on www.supermusclecar.com (http://www.supermusclecar.com) reguarding the time the car posted. As it turns out the car was never able to complete a full 1/8th mile pass so the producers asked the driver what he thought the car might run. So dont take it out on the shop, blame it on the producers.

I caution anyone who posts over there....you might get banned:rolleyes:

[SN65]

No way was that a 6.10 pass.

I think that 6.10 in the 1/8 mile aint to bad. If the car is still pulling (in a squarter mile run) that should put it somewhere in the 11's???

[slow4dr]

I think that 6.10 in the 1/8 mile aint to bad. If the car is still pulling (in a squarter mile run) that should put it somewhere in the 11's???

No, that would be more like a high 9.

[I_work_for_Barry]

The car made close to 1000hp at the crank. It was a fuel injected, 489,brodix aluminum heads, with an 8-71 blower at 10lbs of boost. It would be a solid mid 9sec car if it would hook.

[Kenova]

I can pass on all of your comments...don't know if they'll do anything about it, but maybe. They have a certain agenda in their minds, and it takes an act of God to get our director to change his mind once he's decided on something.
First off I should mention that I haven't seen this show, or any other of the "slap it together in a week" shows. I'm just too damn cheap to pay for the extra channels. From what I can gather, you have a reputable shop capable of building some high quality rides. To risk such a hard earned reputation for some television exposure seems foolish. Tell the producers how much time you need. If they don't like it, then they can stuff their show up their .... well, you know.
I think a show that follows two or three buildups over five or six weeks would be better. The timing could be staggered to have a car completed every other week or so. It would enable you to show more of the tricks and details that matter to the real gearheads and show the average schmuck why these cars command such a high price.
Ken

[andrewb70]

The car made close to 1000hp at the crank. It was a fuel injected, 489,brodix aluminum heads, with an 8-71 blower at 10lbs of boost. It would be a solid mid 9sec car if it would hook.

Its easy to make HP, its a whole other ball game getting a car down the track. In the end, HP numbers don't mean s**t. People don't race dynos...people race cars.

Andrew

[I_work_for_Barry]

WOW, I think we should have the dyno nationals. If you were at the track you would know that the car only made a half track pass because of insurance and the people that ran the track never used the timers. It was just a # they said on TV. Did you also hear that the driver of the car also had a 400hp dragster. It's a 7 sec. super comp rail and it makes almost 800 hp. I take it you never saw the part of my post where it said IF IT WOULD HOOK. If, not it did. Did you even watch the show? It might be easy to make HP, but make alot of it and tell me how easy it is.

Why me.

[andrewb70]

WOW, I think we should have the dyno nationals. If you were at the track you would know that the car only made a half track pass because of insurance and the people that ran the track never used the timers. It was just a # they said on TV. Did you also hear that the driver of the car also had a 400hp dragster. It's a 7 sec. super comp rail and it makes almost 800 hp. I take it you never saw the part of my post where it said IF IT WOULD HOOK. If, not it did. Did you even watch the show? It might be easy to make HP, but make alot of it and tell me how easy it is.

Why me.

So defensive....Must have a very large chip on your shoulders...As I recall this is not the first time you made posts like this...have a Coke and a Smile...

I don't watch TV .

Andrew

[I_work_for_Barry]

I have no chip on my shoulders. What was wrong with my post? I made some statements, asked some questions and all you could come back with is that I have a chip on my shoulder and I made post like this before. Lets play nice Andrew:spank2:

[andrewb70]

I have no chip on my shoulders. What was wrong with my post? I made some statements, asked some questions and all you could come back with is that I have a chip on my shoulder and I made post like this before. Lets play nice Andrew:spank2:

I am playing nice. You proved my point exactly by saying " it woulf run 9s, IF IT WOULD HOOK". Meaning that it doesn't hook, so its not as quick as it could be. Its the same as me saying my car would run 7s if it had 2000HP.

HP + Traction = low ET

If either HP or Traction is limited, than your ET will suffer.

Andrew

[I_work_for_Barry]

I don't think I ever said it hooked, did I? And yes, your car would run in the 7's if it had 2000 hp and it would hook.

[andrewb70]

I don't think I ever said it hooked, did I?

EXACTLY!

The point being is that since IT DID NOT hook, so who cares how much HP it made.


Andrew

[enzo]

I love this crap - no comments from the peanut gallery!
except one - that vintage style gold lettering was pretty cool.

[enzo]

ok one more comment:
Why do we all care so much? Congrats to the Barry Family because you are on TV and I am not. I think the cars are cool - my car's pretty cool too. "I work for Barry" and I don't, but that's cool too. Could the show be better, maybe - but the Soprano's sucked this season - but they don't have a thread here. I think the track thing was fun, that would be cool to see more often. I hardly watch the show now but I caught the Nova one - that was cool. Good Luck!

[I_work_for_Barry]

I think your car's nice looking.

[I_work_for_Barry]

heres a picture for anyone didnt see the show.


https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/06/nova-1.jpg

[andrewb70]

Nostalgic.

Andrew

[gearbanger]

The track thing definitely was cool. I think that would be a great addition to the show for every car. Take it to the track and run it through, and maybe take it through some cones or a road course, and do some 60 to zero times. That would really showcase the kind of builds Barry is doing.

[I_work_for_Barry]

We would love to take them to the track but with the insurance company that TLC uses, they won't let us. I think we are going to build another race car this coming season and I think we might be running it at............I ........................ummmm..............damn it.........I am going to get so busted for opening my mouth. I can hear it now from the producer.

:here!:IT SAYS IN YOUR CONTRACT, DON'T TALK ABOUT THE NEW CARS.

[ironworks]

You know it would not be a big deal about the short cuts on TV if you did not have a good reputation. But when you ride on that reputation to get a Tv show and then do crap work that you would never do in real life on a customers car on natioanal TV, I have a difficult time having any simpathy for you. If you don't like the time crutch then don't do the show. I would never want to do the Job you guys do in a time crutch situation. The quality will never be there. It will always be ho-hum. But I guess Being on TV has Benefits ($$$$). I cannot imagine that the producers have agun to your head, maybe a contract, but don't sign it. UNLESS it is about the money.

The people who truly dig the car shows don't know much about the building of a car anyways so build on, they will never know. the most interesting show from barrys was the Hot Rod Build off on discovery a few years ago. Rides was a good show also but all this slap it togther stuff allows me to watch CSI reruns.

[Bob Johnson]

building race cars for immediate resale is a risky proposition..Might make for an interesting show, but the money just isn't going to be there IMHO

[Bob Johnson]

I said it once and I'll say it again. I just can't see Barry and wife getting excited when a car like that 69 Camaro brings 60 K or so. I sold the Battle Axe for $100K and I could have got more..I had a buyer over here looking for one..build another and let me tell you what to put in it. I will bid it at Auction..cheaper than I can get it done..if the buyer sees your elation, they feel they've bid more than you expected..Watch some of those poker shows

[BRIAN]

Just what is the deal with TLC an Discovery with this 5 week or 2 week build? Do they think car guys do not have the attention span to watch 5 shows on one build? I would love to drop the stupid gimmick and jack ass time thing and see guys build real cars. Yes, ther build would be rushed but not to a point were ther build suffers.


To Barry and any of these other shops, I can see there is some benefit to getting your name out there but these shows are going to hurt business if you do not stop with the 1/2 done builds. For someone who doesn't know who you are has got to see you throwing a car together and then ripping off some uneducated buyer at an auction. What do you tell the owner when all the plastic cracks? What about the guy who pays 60k and then sees how the car was built on the show? Yours is the only show with that format.
Sorry, makes great TV that I do watch but I wouldn't want that body guy touching anything of mine. Can't see him turning that mentality off when the camera leaves.

I have seen a couple of your cars before the show and would just hate to see you ruin a reputation over a TV show???

[I_work_for_Barry]

I'll make this quick for ironworks and BRIAN, You guys think we just throw these cars together, we spend way too much time to have some guy say we slap it together, yea I'm talking to you ironworks, been doing this for 5 years and you talk **** like this. Go find some dudes to do some pluming and stuff at your shop. Thats what you were looking for right?

Brian, I hate to inform you, but our business has only flurished. We don't do half done builds, when the car is done it goes to auction. We don't tow them to the stage and tow them off.

[ironworks]

You have to admit that none of these cars are the nicest cars that have ever come out or barry's. I have been to you shop a couple times and I know that you guys do better work than what they show. I'm not talkin crap, I just know the show makes your skills look not as good as they are because quality takes time. Believe me I know quality takes time.