How to make a Camaro stand out at Goodguys

[BigDan]

Hey guys I just got back form Goodguys Car Show in Pleasenton, CA and it was overwhelming with your standard 1st Gen Camaro. It was just the usual, Heck even the guys with 17" rims looked tiny (weird but true) I was planning in 17's but now I want to upgrade to the "NEW SCHOOL PT style"

I really like the rally wheel and saw they make a 20" version but its in a dull billet. Could I get these to look like chrome. Right now the car is typical red w/ black rally stripes. What about doing satin black stripes and PIAA light in the blinkers on my 67.

One thing for sure is that I dont want it to get lost in the ocean of 90's style Camaro's.

What new and hot.

Any and all info is welcome
Here's a pic from 3 years ago, nothing has changed except owner. I orignally bought it for $5,500 in 1998 and it still looks the same, although the drive train has changed. Now I have the option to buy it back from the ex for $14,000, which by todays standards isnt that bad considering all the $$$ we put into it, (mainly powertrain)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/06/sizeimagephpphotoid25295width2-1.jpg

Dang pic wont post so here's a link

[MrQuick]

Well I won't be much help cause i've been on this blacked out with polished edge look for about a year now. Damn Corvettes! Missed the show maybe the next one. 18's look nice. BTW , welcome!

[71nova]

Please dont start thinking that the only way to stand out from the rest is to use larger wheels or your going to end up like this picture I found in another forum. Personally I wouldn't go over 18's because I think they perform the best. Your car looks great. I wish I went to goodguys.

[BigDan]

I wish this site would allow attachments that you could post.

Anyways call me CRAZY but I like the Dub City Camaro 1/18th scale models, especially the gun metal 68. I would give my left nut for Joe Rogans Sick Fish Cuda which had 24's in the rear and 18-19 in the front. Definetly Pro Touring. Know if only I could get my uncle to give me his 71 hemicuda....yes thats right an all orignal hemicuda that he bought from my dad when he was 16 for $5,000 in 1982.:jawdrop:
My dad told him to go in the garage and pick out a car, either a 1969 z/28 w/ crossram(all orignal) or the 1971 hemicada(all orignal) either of them for $5,000. Oh well he's never really been my dad...only biologicly.... long story

[derekf]

I wish this site would allow attachments that you could post.

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[trapin]

I would give my left nut for Joe Rogans Sick Fish Cuda which had 24's in the rear and 18-19 in the front. Definetly Pro Touring.
Joe Rogan's car is a fantastic machine, don't get me wrong. But the 24" wheels are not exactly in spirit with what Pro-Touring is about. The car is "something"...but what that is, is anyones guess. But it's not Pro-Touring. I think you're misinterpreting what a Pro-Touring car is. Remember...our vehicles have larger wheel sizes to lower the profile of our sidewalls which in effect aid in stability around corners. It's more or less a "functional" choice. The fact that they look attractive on the cars is an extra added bonus. I'm not saying that you're doing anything wrong by putting Dubs on your car (I actually like dubs on 1st gens as well as other old iron). But when you do, you're crossing over to another build style. One that has yet to be formally defined.

[Grandpa Ronsy]

I think wheel choice can make a car look purposeful or spoil it's looks completely. I believe a 68 Camaro looks best with repop american racing 5 spoke like they did when they raced in 1968. 7x15 lets me get 10.75" rotors(68 Corvette) and cast iron 4 spots. Just the ticket for an occasional race day or hill climb.
It's a tough look imho.
Hey but what would I know?? Different strokes for different folks.:cheers:

[OldSchoolFormula]

How to make a Camaro stand out at GoodGuys? Put Firebird sheetmetal on it. LoL

[69rs]

Joe Rogan's car is a fantastic machine, don't get me wrong. But the 24" wheels are not exactly in spirit with what Pro-Touring is about. The car is "something"...but what that is, is anyones guess. But it's not Pro-Touring. I think you're misinterpreting what a Pro-Touring car is. Remember...our vehicles have larger wheel sizes to lower the profile of our sidewalls which in effect aid in stability around corners. It's more or less a "functional" choice. The fact that they look attractive on the cars is an extra added bonus. I'm not saying that you're doing anything wrong by putting Dubs on your car (I actually like dubs on 1st gens as well as other old iron). But when you do, you're crossing over to another build style. One that has yet to be formally defined.
And to clear big brakes......also functional. They just happen to look good also.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

how to make a camaro stand out?..

you cant.. but for crying out loud.. its a CAMARO!

adding shtuff to the outside and big wheels and all that can spoil it pretty bad..

best you can do is the type of spoiler, the front end/valence and what choice of wheels you run..

or just do a normal nice paintjob exterior and some wild ass interior or engine.

thats about it!

[astroracer]

I think a killer body kit would make it stand out...
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/06/r_NewstylingpanelsfortheFordF1vi-1.jpg
:jump:
Mark

[Bigblue73]

Put it on a 4 x 4 Chassis and jack it up so everyone will see it! That'll get you noticed.

[trapin]

Mark........:lol: :lmao:

[RaceMan]

WOW does somebody actually drive that around??:jawdrop: :lol: . I think sometimes its in the details that make a car stand out, atleast with real car people, all the other stuff is great but you don't NEED it

[Steve1968LS2]

There's standing out because someting is good or standing out cause it's different. then there's "different good" and "different bad".

Wheel sizes come and go but quality always stands out in a crowd :)

[DJW32]

How do you make a camaro stand out?

First, build the car to your liking...
Second, Try to have a running theme...
Third, how about a street fighting camaro,(not to steal another members name(STREETFYTR68)) how about a flat black camaro, yes, all flat black, with flat black rims and a silver lip(not to copy "fuel", but damn I love that car). Also, try to come out with a one off piece that everyone wants. For example, a front spoiler that will revolutionize the 67-69 camaro aftermarket industry
Just a thought...

[vintageracer]

Cut in in sections and make a display car with a pro-touring theme.

[DJW32]

My Bad

[CHILI442]

but now I want to upgrade to the "NEW SCHOOL PT style"

Isn't that fad about over?

[J2speedandcustom]

Rogan's cuda has 285/35/22's on the rear.

As far as standing out. You need to really pay attention to the details. The little things will make the car stand out. Everyone has seen the all black, big motor, turbo, yadda - yadda things.

Just like this you thought the Sick fish had 24's on the rear and it has 22's. But the point is the rear wheels look huge, and the car still functions and has a killer stance. Those are the details!

[customcam]

Joe Rogan's car is a fantastic machine, don't get me wrong. But the 24" wheels are not exactly in spirit with what Pro-Touring is about. The car is "something"...but what that is, is anyones guess. But it's not Pro-Touring. I think you're misinterpreting what a Pro-Touring car is. Remember...our vehicles have larger wheel sizes to lower the profile of our sidewalls which in effect aid in stability around corners. It's more or less a "functional" choice. The fact that they look attractive on the cars is an extra added bonus. I'm not saying that you're doing anything wrong by putting Dubs on your car (I actually like dubs on 1st gens as well as other old iron). But when you do, you're crossing over to another build style. One that has yet to be formally defined.

Why isnt sick Fish Pro-touring? that meens Chicayne isnt either coz they both have 22 inch rears

[trapin]

Why isnt sick Fish Pro-touring? that meens Chicayne isnt either coz they both have 22 inch rears
I don't know of any car that races competitely with any wheel size over 19 inches. That is why I don't feel those cars were built in the tradition of Pro-Touring. If I'm wrong...shoot me.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

OOOOORRR... roll like this!

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[69rs]

That looks as cool as it sucks!

[69rs]

The wheels still aren't over 19 inches, though!

[rocketman]

What does wheel size have to do with pro touring.All these pro tour have 18's or 20's anyway

[69rs]

What does wheel size have to do with pro touring.All these pro tour have 18's or 20's anyway
All these? You mean all the cars on this site? I guess mine is pro-tour(ish) but I'm running 17's.

[mone]

Who cares wat size they run??!!Thats what makes fixing up a car fun,doining your OWN thing.Anyone who tries to dictate what is or isnt one thing or the other is selfish.In the end its all still hotrodding like it or not.This car biz is on fire right now so lets ride this thing on out and enjoy it.No matter if you have a 72 Caprice on 24s or a Corvair on 20s, lets all just embrace our friends in this life and love of cars!!

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

The wheels still aren't over 19 inches, though!

but yea i keep em clean tho!:jump:

[DarkBuddha]

IMHO, I think you should build the car the way you like it. Now, that may be "old school" or maybe p-t, but whatever you do, don't build it just to "stand out". Build it because you want it that way and it makes the car stand out to you. I know... it sounds all touchy-feely, but it's not really. The fact is that cars done with sincerity and vision stand out because of it. It doesn't matter if it is "old school" or p-t or period correct or resto.

Now, if you really just want to update the look a bit, there are a couple simple mods you can do. Start with a not-too-dark tint job. Then pick a tasteful (not guady or over-stylized), reasonably sized wheel/tire combo from 15-18" diameter that matches your vision of the car, and a matching set of lower profile tire. Make sure they fit under the fender, lower the car a good bit, and nail the stance with an ever so slight rake towards the front. Add a simple shave of the handles and locks too. Just doing that much will usually get your more attention and appreciation since it seems there are a lot of cars out there that just don't do all of this. Something like this:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif (http://imageshack.us)



Just a warning though... if you choose an ultra chromed, heavily sculptured wheel, then you'll probably need to do other mods to the car to bring it up to the same look (like stylized billet mirrors, customized paint schemes, etc.).

Hope this helps...

EDIT: I added a little "before" image to the pic...

[zbugger]

Here we go again.....

[Madspeed]

[quote=astroracer]I think a killer body kit would make it stand out...
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/06/r_NewstylingpanelsfortheFordF1vi-1.jpg
:jump:


OMG I think i Hear Lacucaracha horns playing :barf: :barf:

[harshman]

Here we go again.....

yup.

can't you guys do a search and find the opinions and the answers to this goofy debate instead of reposting the same thing every month or so.

what is pro-touring.

ya man we need a deffinition or somthing.

just build your car the way you like it, post it here and by god we just might say that its a nice ride.

pissy, yes 'cause i think it needs some spice.

[BigDan]

WOW Thanks for the chop DarkBudda!!!!! That's one of the niceist thing's a person on a fourm have ever done for me w/o asking. :worship:

What size rims would you say thoes are?

Does anybody have pics of larger then 17" rally's? Or just post a link to a old thread since I'm new here and its hard to find exactly what Im looking for using the search.

I'm on the fence between 17"+ rallys or something like you posted.

I not here to debate the definetion of PT, I just want to talk and do research on muscle cars. I'm by no means a newbie to BB's, I'm on many like pirate4X4 and turbodieselresister so I know how to search.

Could someone point me in a good direction for engine tech. I have a GMPP ZZ4 and have spent around $500 trying to get the carb to run like it should. I will soon turn the ZZ4 into the "Gladiator" engine that Westech Performance built using the ZZ4 and AFR heads.

Thanks guys
:)

[DarkBuddha]

WOW Thanks for the chop DarkBudda!!!!! That's one of the niceist thing's a person on a fourm have ever done for me w/o asking. :worship:

What size rims would you say thoes are?

Glad to do the quicky 'chop for you. It's my version of whittling I think. As for the wheel sizes, I'm assuming the wheels on the car in the original pic were 15", which means I think these would be 18s or 19s in back and 17s or 18s in front. The look of the rear wheel tire will be hard to pull off without mini-tubbing I'd think, but you could probably get most of the way there with careful selection of backspacing and the right tire profile.

Good luck whatever you decide to do.

[toofun]

Best way to make your car stand out?? HMMMM??

Well when all else fails I always find that it all comes down to how you "acSEXsorize" your ride. Here are some ideas for some accesories that should do the trick!!

[rob07002]

Best way to make your car stand out?? HMMMM??

Well when all else fails I always find that it all comes down to how you "acSEXsorize" your ride. Here are some ideas for some accesories that should do the trick!!

certainly a good way to make your car and a few other things stand out!!!

they're wearing too many clothes....

[Diognes56]

http://www.wheelvintiques.com/

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/06/wvi90773404-1.jpg

David

[Gonzostyle]

toofun, I like the way you think!

-Jeremie

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

I'm on the fence between 17"+ rallys or something like you posted.
:)

why not get a set of these.. posted above..

18 inch rallys.. and i think hes got 20s in the rear..

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DEAD SEXY!!

hope that helps ya Dan..

[trapin]

yup.

can't you guys do a search and find the opinions and the answers to this goofy debate instead of reposting the same thing every month or so.

what is pro-touring.

ya man we need a deffinition or somthing.

just build your car the way you like it, post it here and by god we just might say that its a nice ride.

pissy, yes 'cause i think it needs some spice.

OK..OK..OK...stop chuckin' fruit at me everyone. That was my bad and I apologize. I should have known that was going to open a can of worms. I just wanted to give Dan a little guidance...that's all. Like I said previously, I like DUBS on the 1st gen and if that's what he wants to do, I think it'll look killer.

OK....I know the routine.....:getout:

[DRJDVM's '69]

Well I built my car the way I wanted and didnt try to do anything in particular to make it stand out compared to the rest.

It must have worked because I won "Cool Camaro" at Goodguys this last weekend.:) Its our 3rd trophy at GoodGuys and I never thought I would ever win one. I'm not sure why my car wins over the others. Dont get me wrong, I'm very proud of my car, but there are nicer ones there than mine. I guess my combo just appeals to alot of people. Maybe its the color and the overall theme ?? I dont know.... we win at Goodguys and then dont get squat at smaller local shows..... no idea why....

The "bar" for 1st gens is getting so high, thats its getting harder and harder to do something that no one has done yet or make your car different than everyone else.

My advice.... build it however you want to and dont worry about what other think. I didnt build my car with the notion that I was going to win stuff. I built it the way I wanted and the rest is icing on the cake...

[DarkBuddha]

Well I built my car the way I wanted and didnt try to do anything in particular to make it stand out compared to the rest.

It must have worked because I won "Cool Camaro" at Goodguys this last weekend.:) Its our 3rd trophy at GoodGuys and I never thought I would ever win one. I'm not sure why my car wins over the others. Dont get me wrong, I'm very proud of my car, but there are nicer ones there than mine. I guess my combo just appeals to alot of people. Maybe its the color and the overall theme ?? I dont know.... we win at Goodguys and then dont get squat at smaller local shows..... no idea why....

The "bar" for 1st gens is getting so high, thats its getting harder and harder to do something that no one has done yet or make your car different than everyone else.

My advice.... build it however you want to and dont worry about what other think. I didnt build my car with the notion that I was going to win stuff. I built it the way I wanted and the rest is icing on the cake...
Exactly what I was saying! Dan, here's your proof...

[anthony64ss]

Just getting rid of Torque Thrust II's will do wonders for setting your car apart from others at the Goodguys. I've gone to pretty much every Goodguys at Pleasaanton since i was 10 (used to win for model cars) ...Im 18 now. After getting back from the last show....I hate torque thrust II's. What's worse is that I have them too ahhh:pat:. Paint is probably the most important. That paint job from the 70's doesnt cut it anymore!!

[zbugger]

Ok, here's my real input. On the subject too. It's all in the little details. Wanna make it really stand out? Do some little things that people can't figure out what you've done. I look at cars and see smooth firewalls, and ratty wiring. I see well done custom interiors, with a bone stock dash. It's coming down to all the little details, really. 17's or 18's on a stock restoration just blends in as EVERYONE AND THEIR BROTHER are doing it. Just keep it simple and clean, and you'll stand out just fine.

[Steve1968LS2]

Ok, here's my real input. On the subject too. It's all in the little details. Wanna make it really stand out? Do some little things that people can't figure out what you've done. I look at cars and see smooth firewalls, and ratty wiring. I see well done custom interiors, with a bone stock dash. It's coming down to all the little details, really. 17's or 18's on a stock restoration just blends in as EVERYONE AND THEIR BROTHER are doing it. Just keep it simple and clean, and you'll stand out just fine.

What he said.. the way to stand out is DETAILS.. you wan't people to look at your car and like it but not really be able to point at one single thing.. the little things add up.

[RobM]

fire it up and do some doughnuts. :drive: :jawdrop:

[BigDan]

Well I built my car the way I wanted and didnt try to do anything in particular to make it stand out compared to the rest.

It must have worked because I won "Cool Camaro" at Goodguys this last weekend.:) Its our 3rd trophy at GoodGuys and I never thought I would ever win one. I'm not sure why my car wins over the others. Dont get me wrong, I'm very proud of my car, but there are nicer ones there than mine. I guess my combo just appeals to alot of people. Maybe its the color and the overall theme ?? I dont know.... we win at Goodguys and then dont get squat at smaller local shows..... no idea why....

The "bar" for 1st gens is getting so high, thats its getting harder and harder to do something that no one has done yet or make your car different than everyone else.

My advice.... build it however you want to and dont worry about what other think. I didnt build my car with the notion that I was going to win stuff. I built it the way I wanted and the rest is icing on the cake...

I do think your car was the coolest camaro. It does stand out alot. It is what I'd like to do, which is get away...far away from all the other typical camaro their, have it be the 90's rest with torque thrust II (which I now hate) or slapping a blower and other go fast goodies on a street car. Yours is A+ in my book. What are the specs on your rims and tires.

Thanks

[BigDan]

OK it seems that you guys know what im talking about. I want to get away from all the 90's style resto that have 17" torque thrusts on a near stock suspension with 90's braking, and a typical paint job that doesnt look all that great in factory colors. They just blend in. I want something like DRJDVM's '69 or a few other here, A modern build up with all of todays new parts.

Thanks

[DRJDVM's '69]

Thanks Dan

I'm very proud of my car, but I'm also very critical of it. I know every flaw in it that no one else really notices.I look at plenty of cars and feel that they did some aspect better than me etc and other I did better than them.

For example... that blue and silver '68 with the graphics down the side... beautiful car and very well done. Immaculate paint that kicks the crap out of mine. Seams all welded smooth, modern door handles, stronger motor, more detail to suspension etc..... but his car is a trailer queen that has to run on race gas, plus he has a ton more $$ in his car than I do. His car is nicer than mine, but its on a different level and "theme" and has limitations than mine doesnt have. My car is alittle more "real" and obtainable to most car guys out there.

His car kicks my ass on several levels but the car overall doesnt appeal to me that much. I dont want a car I cant drive on the street on a regular basis.

Anyway.... my wheels are 18x8 with 5.00 BS front and 18x9 with 5.25 BS rear.

Ned

[go-fish]

Ther is a guy on here from NC, Orange and yellow 69, does 0-100-0 competions or something like that. He did a shoot with PHR about a year ago. I remember that car the most, well second to big red, because he didn't have a front bumper and it looked rad as hell. It is little stuff like that. Sure if you have a stocker, people will look right over your car because we have all seen those for years, do a 60's/70's SCCA replica or vintage drag car. Smooth it, shave it. But, for cryin' out loud, don't put 22's on it. Those are for the bra's that buy the police caprices and other boats and put way too much flake in the paint. If you have to ask how to set your car apart from the same model, you're not in it for the love of your car, are you? You just wanna be part of a trend. Love the car not the scene.