Finally.. some REAL progress on Penny.. [Archive]

Steve1968LS2

05-30-2006, 06:58 PM

It's funny.. I'm so busy with cars for work that I have little time for my own car. Now that she is a "story" I can justify some wrench time :)

Went to Best In Show today and worked with Dale to build the front subframe. Took all of three hours with stops for pictures.. Everything went together great. We had to modify the shocks to fit (easy) and we were a bit stumped on the splined sway bar arrangement, but came up with a solution.

The subframe is very nice and so far seems well done. The project should move pretty quick now..

BuddyP

05-30-2006, 07:11 PM

That's Sick!! Makes me want to tear mine down and start over LOL!

gumbycw

05-30-2006, 07:32 PM

Man that looks sweet!

Caleb

awr68

05-30-2006, 07:36 PM

Looks good Steve, one step closer to those track days!!

69Nova

05-30-2006, 08:02 PM

Cool Steve. Any guess on how soon it wiil be done?

Steve1968LS2

05-30-2006, 08:17 PM

Cool Steve. Any guess on how soon it wiil be done?

Well..

Subframe will go on this week.. then plumb the brakes.

LS2 install in a week.. then to fire it up

Then BOS will hang the fenders and put the sheetmetal back on.

Tons of little stuff. Plus I need to build an interior.

Oh, and I am considering rebuilding the rear suspension.. found some shoddy workmanship and bad engineering. Not geometry but more safety related..

Running and driving in a month.. done in two months..

steemin

05-30-2006, 08:35 PM

Steve,
Very nice:twothumbs
Looks clean and solid!

Scott

muthstryker

05-30-2006, 09:32 PM

looks good steve, who makes that sub frame??

Steve1968LS2

05-30-2006, 09:38 PM

looks good steve, who makes that sub frame??

21st Century Street Machines :)

Has some nice features not seen on other C5 subframes..

trapin

05-31-2006, 02:27 AM

You could get some serious meat on the front of that car with that frame. Sweet. Lookin' good Steve.

Texas Bob

05-31-2006, 10:44 AM

21st Century Street Machines :)

Has some nice features not seen on other C5 subframes..

Steve does all that hardware with the exception of the Wilwoods come with the subframe from 21st Century?

Bob

Steve1968LS2

05-31-2006, 11:37 AM

Steve does all that hardware with the exception of the Wilwoods come with the subframe from 21st Century?

Bob

It can..

You can buy just the frame/rack/trans-member or you can buy it all from 21st Century.

I belive the basic frame set-up is $4k.. It uses standard C5 stuff so you can most likely find that on your own (maybe cheaper?)

You can also run either stock C5 brakes or aftermarket stuff like I did..

muthstryker

05-31-2006, 10:30 PM

so if you dont mind how much was the subframe after complete? and are your wheels gunmetal or black i cant tell

Whistler

06-01-2006, 01:07 AM

I have frame envy!

69rs

06-01-2006, 03:01 AM

Very nice! I'm sure you can't wait!

NovaPwr

06-01-2006, 03:06 AM

That's just plain beatiful! Wow.

datsbad

06-02-2006, 03:14 AM

It can..

You can buy just the frame/rack/trans-member or you can buy it all from 21st Century.

I belive the basic frame set-up is $4k.. It uses standard C5 stuff so you can most likely find that on your own (maybe cheaper?)

You can also run either stock C5 brakes or aftermarket stuff like I did..

someone told me that 21st century is out of business and the doors are closed . steve do you know if this is true?

kmcanally

06-02-2006, 03:53 AM

That looks real nice...I can not wait to see the car back together. I assume you are goining to run the same black Forgelines?

A while back you mentioned that Penny was going to be the subject of a mag story (or maybe a short series) about the transformation of a car from pro-street to pro-touring...is that still the plan?

Also, it seems like I recall that you are changing the hood from the tall cowl...to a shorter cowl hood?

Stangonline.com

06-02-2006, 08:17 AM

Wow, do they make a front end setup like that - which could be mated to a early mustang unibody?

67RS

06-02-2006, 12:50 PM

I'm looking at the 21st century frame too. How big of a wheel and tire can you fit with their set-up?

Jason

Steve1968LS2

06-02-2006, 04:36 PM

so if you dont mind how much was the subframe after complete? and are your wheels gunmetal or black i cant tell

The whole subframe with C5 brakes and suspension along with thier very nice stepped headers is right near $7k.. I could be wrong since my notes are at my office. Not cheap but very well engineered so far. I like that you can run the concentric lower control arm bolts like the C5 does since it allows for more alignment tweeking. I also like the upper control arm insert system that I haven't seen on any other subframe.

The wheels are a charcoal grey (satin) color.. the intake will be painted to match this.

Steve1968LS2

06-02-2006, 04:37 PM

someone told me that 21st century is out of business and the doors are closed . steve do you know if this is true?

Not that I have heard.. they phones still work and Brian posts over on lateral-g.net (he works there).. I talked with Ed two days ago and he didn't mention anything. Most likely one of them internet rumors.. lol

I'm looking at the 21st century frame too. How big of a wheel and tire can you fit with their set-up?

Jason

Big.. it mostly depends on your inner fender wells.. I am running 275s.. if you didn't have inner fenders (or had custom ones) you could run 315's.

That looks real nice...I can not wait to see the car back together. I assume you are goining to run the same black Forgelines?

A while back you mentioned that Penny was going to be the subject of a mag story (or maybe a short series) about the transformation of a car from pro-street to pro-touring...is that still the plan?

Also, it seems like I recall that you are changing the hood from the tall cowl...to a shorter cowl hood?

Yep, there will be a couple stories on Penny.. mostly on the parts. Two on the engine dyno, one on the subframe build and install and one on the engine install. Maybe one on misc stuff. Later there will be a couple stories on parts that just happen to go onto Penny (LED tail lights, etc)

And yes.. a shorter cowl hood has already been painted :)

ZZ430

06-02-2006, 04:42 PM

Looks real nice Steve.

I was wondering if you've figured out which headers will fit, or if you will have to go with custom fabbed.

Steve1968LS2

06-02-2006, 04:46 PM

Pics from today.. it's a REAL car now with four tires on the ground!!

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Went in easy and we squared it all up. Installed the Wilwood master and figured out the location of the proportioning valve and clutch master (couldn't get myself to mount it to the fire wall). The brakes really fill up the wheels nice.

Also figured out a sweet way to do the steering column so that it looks super clean from the engine bay. Next we have to bend up so stainless brake lines when the materials get here. In a week or so I will drop in the LS2/T56.. progress.. woot!

Steve1968LS2

06-02-2006, 04:50 PM

Looks real nice Steve.

I was wondering if you've figured out which headers will fit, or if you will have to go with custom fabbed.

I am running the 1 7/8-inch stepped long tube headers by 21st Century Street Machines.. They are not cheap (almost $2k) but they make great power. In dyno testing they beat the Hooker long tubes by 10hp and that's not bad at all.

I bet you could run less expensive headers with this subframe but if you can afford them then the ones from 21st Century are top notch..

NvrDun71

06-02-2006, 05:57 PM

Thats just beautiful man..... She is coming along nicely. Keep the pics coming!

olds87

06-02-2006, 06:30 PM

When that car finish. It going to be one sick ride. Just beautiful man.

trapin

06-02-2006, 06:31 PM

I just have to get this off my chest...but I'm so glad Penny is a '68.

It's about damn time something other than a '69 got the "Super Car" treatment.

Now we '67 and '68 owners can have our own "Mule" to worship. :worship:

Can't wait to see the performance numbers on this car when it's done. My guess is low 11's and more than a few Corvettes crossed off on the drivers side door.:twothumbs

Flight396

06-02-2006, 06:50 PM

Absolutly stunning car Steve. Thanks for the progress report and the pics! :twothumbs

scogin918

06-03-2006, 09:17 AM

$2K is alot for the headers. I paid about $700 for a 1 7/8" Weld-up kit from Kook's and about $750 to make an equal length set of headers out of them. What would be the difference? Kook's includes the flanges, 13 J-bends, o2 bungs, and merge collectors.

Steve1968LS2

06-23-2006, 07:02 PM

Hmmm.. what could be going on in this picture???

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dropit69

06-23-2006, 07:34 PM

looks like they be pimping your ride!!:attn: looking awesome steve:worship:

slck6t9

06-23-2006, 07:49 PM

Thant's a WAY cool picture Steve. I can't wait (just like you) to see it finished.

Scott

JamesD

06-23-2006, 08:16 PM

To say this car will be a hand full would be the understatement of the year. When do we get to see some pictures of it flying around a road course?

datsbad

06-23-2006, 08:17 PM

Steve1968LS2

06-23-2006, 08:33 PM

To say this car will be a hand full would be the understatement of the year. When do we get to see some pictures of it flying around a road course?

Soon.. if I stop running into parts (availability) problems it should be done in a month.. Then some shake out time.

Hope to run it though the PHR battery of tests.. skidpad, cones drag.. all of that.

My goal is to be the fastest tested and to hit 1g skidpad.. hey, I can dream right?

Steve1968LS2

06-23-2006, 08:35 PM

Steve , seriously move those wheels out of the garage ! that cutting and grinding stuff in the air will do wonders for them .

Also i would like to know how the install goes, I am thinking of using that on my next car

That was just for the shot.. they are safe. I need to pull them tires off and mount my Toyo R-compounds.. :)

The kit seems very well designed. The rear brace went in easy even though it had to be modified to fit my narrowed frame rails. The front floor is tomorrow and it shouldn't be too hard, tedious but not hard. So far it seems about as hard (easy?) as a DSE mini tub install.

datsbad

06-23-2006, 08:37 PM

just kidding, I would love to do one of these kits. next time. seems easy after the tubs and rails are narrowed, then its just the rear crossmember and the front brace right?

Steve1968LS2

06-23-2006, 08:38 PM

Just a fun pic.. weeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Steve1968LS2

06-23-2006, 08:39 PM

just kidding, I would love to do one of these kits. next time. seems easy after the tubs and rails are narrowed, then its just the rear crossmember and the front brace right?

Yep, and you don't HAVE to narrow the frame rails unless you want more tire clearance. The kit is built for stock rails but modifying the brace wasn't that hard to do. Nice to have flexability.

My wife is studying for a test tomorrow so I'm bored.. a pick of the finished steering. Orderded a custom length splined rod rather than a generic D rod.

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BonzoHansen

06-23-2006, 08:54 PM

I'm digging the frame color.

Steve68

06-24-2006, 05:05 AM

Looks Good, are you going to paint the rear the same color as the clip/sub frame

Steve1968LS2

06-24-2006, 06:50 AM

Looks Good, are you going to paint the rear the same color as the clip/sub frame

Yea, the housing will be the frame color. The watts link will be painted (it's welded in so it won't be powdered) in some sort of smokey silver and the two watts "links" will be red to tie into the front sway bar. the three main links will done in the frame color as well..

kmcanally

06-24-2006, 01:45 PM

Dam Steve just when I think you are about finished its another project! It looks dam good:yum:

camaro608

06-24-2006, 03:53 PM

looks good keep it up

vanzuuk1

06-26-2006, 02:55 AM

Do you want to sell the finned cover that was on the 12 bolt? Who makes it?

Steve1968LS2

06-26-2006, 06:27 AM

Do you want to sell the finned cover that was on the 12 bolt? Who makes it?

I don't think it would work.. the rearend is a Dana60..

Moser makes some NICE aluminum rearend covers.. as does T/A.

Steve1968LS2

06-26-2006, 04:05 PM

Well, it's in. :woot:

The front support is the toughest part. Mark got it installed . It's mainly a "cut.. test fit.. cut.. test fit" until its right. My narrowed rear is on the way and once it's powder painted it can all get installed. Not any tougher than installing mini-tubs.

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Mean 69

06-26-2006, 05:02 PM

Steve1968LS2

06-26-2006, 05:48 PM

I'm personally not terribly fond of Steve's new choice of wheels, but hey, he's the customer! A little "old school," chrome steelies! I think it could use a little more rubber out back too, but.....

Mark

Having the rear tires narrower than the fronts will help be drift better.. don't you know.. Drifting is where it's at! :drive2:

zbugger

06-26-2006, 06:04 PM

don't you know.. Drifting is where it's at! :drive2:
Yeah, don't you watch the Fast and the Furious movies? GOSH!!!!!:wtlw:

67Sally

06-26-2006, 06:15 PM

Looking good Steve.
W.

Poltergeist

06-26-2006, 06:47 PM

Having the rear tires narrower than the fronts will help be drift better.. don't you know.. Drifting is where it's at! :drive2:

Convert it to front wheel drive and you'll be all set.:poke:

Steve1968LS2

06-26-2006, 06:47 PM

Convert it to front wheel drive and you'll be all set.:poke:

Maybe a skyline engine.. everyone KNOWS they are the best. :doh:

Ok, I think we have officially gone off topic..

MrQuick

06-26-2006, 06:50 PM

Looking good Steve. Nice job Mark, not too shabby. And uhhh please keep them labor times under your hat please.

WhiteG240

06-26-2006, 07:56 PM

So when can I read all about this project in the magazine Steve? Will it be in there soon or did I miss it already?

Steve1968LS2

06-26-2006, 08:09 PM

So when can I read all about this project in the magazine Steve? Will it be in there soon or did I miss it already?

The stock engine, engine build, subframe build/install and engine install (from cooling to fuel system) will be covered.

The three-link wont be, at least not on my car. It didn't make sense to do a story on converting a four link to a three link. I opened my wallet and paid $$$$ since I thought this was the best system currently on the market :)

I would like to do a story about converting a leaf spring car with before and after testing.. now THAT would be good.

September will be the first story.

Obsin71Ls1

06-26-2006, 08:14 PM

looks good....What wheels are those? bare with me if I missed it somewhere in the thread

Hidro

06-26-2006, 09:06 PM

Looking good! steve, how much ground clearance is there under the rear end brackets?

Steve1968LS2

06-26-2006, 09:23 PM

Looking good! steve, how much ground clearance is there under the rear end brackets?

Something like 4 to 5 inches.. higher than the bottom of the rim.

It looks lower in the pic since those are just bars to hold the car up. the shocks are on the way :)

looks good....What wheels are those? bare with me if I missed it somewhere in the thread

The normal wheels are Forgelines.. the ones in the last pic are chrome wheels off a Nomad.. lol

trapin

06-27-2006, 04:53 AM

That's officially the baddest '68 on the planet right now.

Mean 69

06-27-2006, 07:14 AM

I would like to do a story about converting a leaf spring car with before and after testing.. now THAT would be good.

Me too!
M

CoMeTChIcK

06-27-2006, 07:30 AM

wow that looks great. you have a very nice car also.

Steve1968LS2

06-27-2006, 07:51 AM

wow that looks great. you have a very nice car also.

Thanks Britt :)

That's officially the baddest '68 on the planet right now.

I don't know about that.. especially when I think of Steevo's '68 and that sick ride Jake is building, but it's nice to think that it's in company like that. Lots of nice '68s getting built (you, rockdog, mazspeed, etc). About time they started getting the love..

6'9"Witha69

06-27-2006, 07:55 AM

I would like to do a story about converting a leaf spring car with before and after testing.. now THAT would be good.
Ooohh, Oooohh, I call dibs on volunteering my car. If your paying that is!!

olds87

06-27-2006, 07:56 AM

Steve, looking good! The car.

Steve1968LS2

06-27-2006, 08:00 AM

Ooohh, Oooohh, I call dibs on volunteering my car. If your paying that is!!

Start saving up.. even I had to write the big check :)

62wagon

06-27-2006, 08:45 AM

Start saving up.. even I had to write the big check :)

Steve - I hate you had to stroke that check but it puts an end to the negative attitude you hear from some people. Even the big wigs of the world still have to pay and not everything is free. Anyways, love the car and it is coming together nicely. Can't wait to read the rag with Penny in it!

Mark

Steve1968LS2

06-27-2006, 09:46 AM

Steve - I hate you had to stroke that check but it puts an end to the negative attitude you hear from some people. Even the big wigs of the world still have to pay and not everything is free. Anyways, love the car and it is coming together nicely. Can't wait to read the rag with Penny in it!

Mark

Ain't that the truth.. this is one expensive hobby even if you get a few parts as freebies. The three link was so nice I didn't mind paying for it. lol

Steve1968LS2

06-30-2006, 07:21 PM

Not much of an update.. got my Toyos mounted up. I like the look..

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And I got my oiling system figured out and bought..

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Jims78elky

07-01-2006, 11:13 AM

Steve,

I don't think those Toyo's are gonna last long..lol:drive:

That oil filter set up is just awesome!:hail:

The car is looking amazing... great progress!

Now were not going to see it on eBay now are we :pat:

lol...J/K

:)

NvrDun71

07-02-2006, 11:13 AM

Not much of an update.. got my Toyos mounted up. I like the look..

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This is not the first time I have seen your rim and tire combo, however seeing this shot up close gives me a whole new appreciation of how nice they really are. Car looks great and good luck with continued success on the build up.

FJB2069

07-06-2006, 07:40 AM

What rear brake kit did you use to match the wilwood's in front? It looks like they have an intergrated parking brake?

Steve1968LS2

07-06-2006, 08:25 AM

What rear brake kit did you use to match the wilwood's in front? It looks like they have an intergrated parking brake?

Actually I am just running the single piston PBR's for now.. they are Baer stuff and the drilling and such matches the Wilwoods fine for now.

No ebrake yet.. I might just go with a pinion parking brake and call it a day. Or maybe wheel chocks.. lol

Eventually I will swap in some Wilwood rears with internal parking brakes.

Steve1968LS2

07-06-2006, 08:28 AM

Mark has been hard at work welding stuff on my car.. man, he does nice work. My 3rd member showed up today and the rear is now in powder paint. The 17th is the tentative date where we start the engine install. Some pics:

FJB2069

07-06-2006, 08:30 AM

Steve,

Supposedly wilwood is going to come out with a 13/14" kit for the 9" ford, but when? I am considering the mono block baer, but it is pricey. I'll need something in a couple months!

Steve1968LS2

07-06-2006, 08:46 AM

Steve,

Supposedly wilwood is going to come out with a 13/14" kit for the 9" ford, but when? I am considering the mono block baer, but it is pricey. I'll need something in a couple months!

Well in December I was told March.. in March I was told June.. so who knows.. The new 4-piston caliper for this kit is sweet. It's shaped and sized just like the front 6-piston unit so you have the huge calipers front and back but the right number of pistons. Hopefully it will be done soon.

FJB2069

07-06-2006, 09:58 AM

6 weeks is the new release date. Just talked to Wilwood. 13"

dcozzi

07-06-2006, 06:31 PM

Hmmm.. what could be going on in this picture???

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Mark is the 3-Link sensei.

Your car is just incredible Steve! I figured you were going with a 3-link when you started talking about selling a certain Dana 60. Top notch all the way.

I thought of going with rims like yours (satin metal finish) on my '70 Camaro, but do not know if it would look OK. What do you think? Alternate plan is Vintage wheel works, straight spoke.
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Steve1968LS2

07-06-2006, 06:55 PM

Holding up my progress? J/K!:rolleyes:

Mark is the 3-Link sensei.

Your car is just incredible Steve! I figured you were going with a 3-link when you started talking about selling a certain Dana 60. Top notch all the way.

I thought of going with rims like yours (satin metal finish) on my '70 Camaro, but do not know if it would look OK. What do you think? Alternate plan is Vintage wheel works, straight spoke.

Yea, Mark is one of the hardest working people I know.. sorry I slipped in line there, but we only had a short window if we were going to do it. The install really wasn't crazy complicated.. just a bit tedious like a mini-tub. Car should ride and handle very well.. if it doesn't then I don't know why given the driveline and tires.

I think a three piece satin rim on your car would look sick.. I love billet wheels but they are just so common. I like the Vintage wheels, but when I see them I think "torque thrust II".. Again, beautiful wheel but not so much out of the box. I need to cruise down to Marks shop and check out your ride.. maybe snap a pic for the under-construction section :)

dcozzi

07-06-2006, 07:03 PM

Steve1968LS2

07-06-2006, 07:24 PM

I snuck in and removed the "progress" comment. I reflected and thought it might be crass coming from a stranger.Thank you for having a healthy sense of humor!

Thanks for the interest in my ride. I agree about the wheels being common. Unfortunately, my bank account is starting to look a bit "common" too. The wheels I want are $1200 ea. Maybe I will have to just save up the dough.
You know as well as I, "If you do not do it the way you want the first time, you are only spending your money on regret."

Yea, it's hard to compromise.. I got lucky and Penny had my fav wheels on the car when I bought her.. Wheels make the car so it's worth getting what you want. I didn't build the '69 like I wanted and when done I regretted some decisions. Won't happen this time.

No prob on the "progress" statement.. It's all good :D

Y-TRY

07-06-2006, 09:58 PM

Steve, the car looks great! I'm also glad to see the 68's getting some love (much deserved).

I didn't see you original build-up, so I was wondering where you hid all the firewall stuff?

Steve1968LS2

07-06-2006, 10:13 PM

I didn't see you original build-up, so I was wondering where you hid all the firewall stuff?

In the trash can.. :lol:

Seriously.. I ditched it all.. wipers, heat, air, factory wire blocks.. that's all for fancy modern cars.. Went back to basics here.

Power steering and a GPS linked track computer.. That's almost it on luxury items.

Mean 69

07-07-2006, 03:37 AM

D'oh! Dave, your car is getting some good loving too, I owe you pic's, it's looking great. I know you are just kidding, but to reiterate what Steve said, we had about five things trying to work out simultaneously at my bud's body shop which is busting at the seams, I had to jump in or we would have seriously delayed a lot of other projects beyond Steve's car. I'd guess that people might not believe this, but Steve isn't getting "special" treatment, his car is just another of the many other important projects.

I'm struggling with stuff like wheels, paint, etc too. The biggest "fear" I have is dating the car's build. There are a lot of what I think are cool trends going on right now, but you just know in five years, your car will look like it was done five years ago if followed. It is such a tough decision, especially due to the cost of all of this stuff. Maybe I'll just leave the cars in primer! Oh, wait, that'd be the "rat rod" craze. Oh, never mind, I give up.

M

Y-TRY

07-07-2006, 12:11 PM

I am TOTALLY with you on that, esp. when it comes to decisions like paint/wheels, etc. It seems like some of the 'rules' have changed with 1st gen Camaros. 10 years ago there was NO WAY 'd get into graphics or crazy colors, or two-tone paints.

Steve1968LS2

07-07-2006, 07:28 PM

Worked on the LS2 today.. just bolting stuff up to make sure it fits. the Powermaster starter hits the header so that will have to be fixed. Waiting for some pullies to finish being coated. The Fast intake is being smoothed and painted so the one on there is just a stand in.

The valve covers are C5R units..

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trapin

07-09-2006, 02:54 PM

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Steve1968LS2

07-09-2006, 07:22 PM

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It's the lame hosting service.. they get overtaxed on the weekends..

Obsin71Ls1

07-10-2006, 07:24 AM

Steve1968LS2

07-10-2006, 09:01 AM

is that the stock oil pan.....don't you need to notch it or did I miss something. I am looking to put a ls2/T56 in a 70-73 camaro in the future and I know I have to swap out the LS2 pan for the LS1 pan or notch it.

Nice touch with the coil brackets

Since I am running an aftermarket sub I don't need to notch. However, the front of that pan is too deep so I will be running an F-body oil pan. It's powdered in mat black and not installed yet.

On a stock sub you will need to notch the pan :)

scogin918

07-10-2006, 09:09 AM

Who made the coil relocation brackets? They move them out of the way nicely.

Steve1968LS2

07-10-2006, 10:08 AM

Who made the coil relocation brackets? They move them out of the way nicely.

Katech.. they also build the C5R's (C6R's?). They slide on the rail, so you can push them back, together, forward or whatever. I just need to make the wiring neat and tidy now.

DJW32

07-10-2006, 11:17 AM

Steve,
Those are some nice valve covers! Do you think that you could use the edelbrock intake with those katech rails?

Steve1968LS2

07-10-2006, 12:13 PM

Steve,
Those are some nice valve covers! Do you think that you could use the edelbrock intake with those katech rails?

I don't see why not.. they don't look like they would interfear with any intake I've seen.

Obsin71Ls1

07-10-2006, 08:19 PM

However, the front of that pan is too deep so I will be running an F-body oil pan.

this is what i will end up doing when time comes.

I am assuming you also have to use the F-body pickup and tray?Do they need to be modded in order to work with the LS2? Also do you retain the LS2 oil pump and O ring?

Thanks for answering so many of my questions.

Steve1968LS2

07-10-2006, 09:29 PM

this is what i will end up doing when time comes.

I am assuming you also have to use the F-body pickup and tray?Do they need to be modded in order to work with the LS2? Also do you retain the LS2 oil pump and O ring?

Thanks for answering so many of my questions.

Yes, you will need the f-body pick up, tray AND you will need an f-body dipstick and dipstick tube.

You won't need to change anything else :)

victionone

07-11-2006, 01:18 AM

Steve,

What headers are those?

Steve1968LS2

07-11-2006, 07:13 AM

Steve,

What headers are those?

They are the custom 1 7/8 stepped long tubes from 21st Century Street Machines. The headers are designed to work with their subframe. Pricy (almost $2k) but they are VERY nice. Amazing craftsmanship and they beat the snot out of the 1 3/4 Hooker long tubes on the dyno (10hp with gains across the whole pull).

They are thermal coated in what's called "titanium"... it's just a fancy name for an industrial coating but it had the right function and looks I wanted.

LSxChevelle

07-11-2006, 09:11 AM

Looking good Steve!!

Steve1968LS2

07-19-2006, 07:12 AM

Small update.. The Lateral Dynamic parts are back from powder.. Also had the rear brakes done to match the front.

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The 31-spline axles are here as well as the 3.70 geared third member :woot:

Mean 69

07-19-2006, 07:20 AM

Wow! The parts came out terrific!

Now THAT'S..... what I call a cool rear housing.
M

Steve1968LS2

07-19-2006, 07:25 AM

Wow! The parts came out terrific!

Now THAT'S..... what I call a cool rear housing.
M

I knew YOU would like that.. it came out killer in that color. Once the Watts is painted smoked silver it should all contrast nicely.

Hopefully we are still looking at installing this stuff friday or Saturday.. my bet is for Saturday.

It really shouldn't take long to do. You make a nice product Mark!

rockdogz

07-19-2006, 08:52 AM

Sweet... hey I'm using 3.70's with 31-spline axles too... I went with a Detroit trutrac - you?

Steve1968LS2

07-19-2006, 09:01 AM

Sweet... hey I'm using 3.70's with 31-spline axles too... I went with a Detroit trutrac - you?

Yep.. the true track, Strange nodular case and chromo yoke.. Was expensive, but should hold up great.

How do you like yours?

rockdogz

07-19-2006, 09:06 AM

Steve1968LS2

07-19-2006, 09:27 AM

Great so far... The part that sucked was installing the studs in the rearend housing...

Did you have your nodular third member coated somehow? I didn't and now it's rusting.. :slap: I don't know if you can powdercoat it or not since the seals are installed, but maybe paint it?

My studs came installed from Lateral Dynamics :)

No, I will paint the case.. too big a pain to pull it apart for powder. That's one big avantage of the aluminum case I guess.

gonna leave it in the plastic ship container, mask off the nice parts and give a bunch of coats of cast iron colored paint.

Hidro

07-19-2006, 10:20 AM

Looking good!:jump:

olds87

07-19-2006, 01:36 PM

Looks nice man. Your engine and trans is installed already or not?

Steve1968LS2

07-19-2006, 02:46 PM

Looks nice man. Your engine and trans is installed already or not?

No, the three-link delayed it a bit. Should be going into the car in about 1-2 weeks. It's all built and ready to go.

Aeromotive fuel system arrived today.. :woot:

olds87

07-19-2006, 03:13 PM

cool

Neil B

07-20-2006, 09:47 AM

Yep.. the true track, Strange nodular case and chromo yoke.. Was expensive, but should hold up great.

How do you like yours?

Steve,

Are you using LT1-style rear PBR brakes? If so, is that the Strange-supplied billet backing plate in your pic?

Thanks. -Neil

Steve1968LS2

07-20-2006, 10:10 AM

Steve,

Are you using LT1-style rear PBR brakes? If so, is that the Strange-supplied billet backing plate in your pic?

Thanks. -Neil

Actually that's a bracket from Baer :)

The flange is Ford Big New Style.. pretty easy to find brakes.

Steve1968LS2

07-24-2006, 07:42 PM

Closer:

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Mr.VENGEANCE

07-24-2006, 08:42 PM

now aint THAT a sexy ass.. photo..i should say

MrQuick

07-24-2006, 09:35 PM

Looks sweet Steve.

when do your coil overs go on?

DJ Mabe

07-25-2006, 02:53 AM

Are those the 315's on the rear? I can't believe how much room you still have under there with that tire! It's looking amazing again.

Steve1968LS2

07-25-2006, 05:17 AM

Are those the 315's on the rear? I can't believe how much room you still have under there with that tire! It's looking amazing again.

Actually those are 335's.. lol.. The brakes arn't on yet so they will move out 1/4 of an inch. I could go with 355s if they made them. One advantage of an ex-drag race car.

I forgot the shocks at home (duh) so we have the temp braces on. Next trip down the shocks will go on when the new axles get here.

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BonzoHansen

07-25-2006, 07:49 AM

They are thermal coated in what's called "titanium"... it's just a fancy name for an industrial coating but it had the right function and looks I wanted.That is the perfect look for headers. Where did you get them done?

6'9"Witha69

07-25-2006, 08:06 AM

Rear suspension?? BAAHH!! Drive it like that. real men don't need shocks!!

That is looking killer. I love it.

Steve1968LS2

07-25-2006, 09:37 AM

That is the perfect look for headers. Where did you get them done?

http://www.embeeperformance.com/

:)

formula

07-25-2006, 10:35 AM

Rear suspension?? BAAHH!! Drive it like that. real men don't need shocks!!

That is looking killer. I love it.

I concur. It's no different than riding a hardtail!

DJW32

07-25-2006, 10:52 AM

Steve,
The car is really coming together...

Why didnt you use the alumrad radiator? Thanks

olds87

07-25-2006, 01:48 PM

Nice rear, I wonder how mine g's going to go in the corners on track. Just awsome.

Steve1968LS2

07-25-2006, 07:41 PM

Steve,
The car is really coming together...

Why didnt you use the alumrad radiator? Thanks

Because I got an AFCO one for free.. and I wanted to try thier stuff out. I am really happy with what they did and I also highly reccomend Alumrad.. both are good in my book!

DJW32

07-26-2006, 08:12 AM

Because I got an AFCO one for free.. and I wanted to try thier stuff out. I am really happy with what they did and I also highly reccomend Alumrad.. both are good in my book!

I would do the same thing

Steve1968LS2

07-28-2006, 12:19 PM

Update.. worked on the engine today. The FAST intake was ground down, primed and painted (the same silver as my old '69 Camaro stripes). With the intake on (and fuel rails) I think the coil-pack location looks better. All the blackend pullies are done and also installed. All that's left is to swap oil pans.

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parsonsj

07-28-2006, 01:01 PM

Wow! Nice lookin' engine! Very nice!

jp

Steve1968LS2

07-28-2006, 01:04 PM

Wow! Nice lookin' engine! Very nice!

jp

Means alot coming from you.. since your's looks killer.. Your pully deal inspired me to black mine out.

I don't even mind where the coil packs are now. I think the fuel logs balance it out better.

You're gonna like the October issue of PHR.. Johns picture got a two page spread..

parsonsj

07-28-2006, 01:12 PM

Steve1968LS2

07-28-2006, 01:19 PM

Nah, I'd leave those coil packs right there. Moving them anywhere else defeats the main purpose for why GM put 'em there to begin with. FAST's fuel rails are nice ... that's what Wegner used for my engine dyno runs. My Aeromotive rails are a bit bulky, but look decent once I had 'em redone in black.

How are you gonna do your wiring? I made my own harnesses ... and didn't wrap or use the corrugated stuff. Took me long enough though!

What EFI are you using? Factory?

Again, nice!

jp

Factory ECU.. harness by speartech. I will worry about the wiring when when the engine is in. there's almost a valley between the coils and the fuel logs. I might fab up some sort of cover with slots for the wires out to the injectors and coils..

I don't mind the red fuel rails.. adds a little pop (sorta like my red sway bar, watts links and calipers)..

RyanJ

07-28-2006, 01:51 PM

<nut>

Man that looks good. Hurry up and drop it in!

Parsons...have you posted pics of your engine? I haven't been able to find any.

parsonsj

07-28-2006, 02:34 PM

I haven't been able to find any [pics of your engine] Sorry .. you won't be able to see any pics until the PHR deal comes out in a few weeks. After that, I'll post up a few.

jp

parsonsj

07-28-2006, 02:37 PM

Steve, you got red fuel rails, I got red plug wires ... same deal: a little contrast looks good.

I really appreciated header manufacturers some more after I did my plug wires ... I had to "reengineer" a couple to keep 'em off the header tubes.

jp

BonzoHansen

07-28-2006, 03:18 PM

Steve, I am beginning to dislike you.

:) ha ha.

olds87

07-28-2006, 05:05 PM

Look nice. What kind of oil pan are you going to use?

62wagon

07-31-2006, 06:49 AM

Steve - Love what you have got going on there!! A little color for contrast can really work and I personally think you nailed it. That is simply just SEXY!!!!:twothumbs Can't wait to see it between the fenderwells.

Mark

Steve1968LS2

07-31-2006, 07:00 AM

Look nice. What kind of oil pan are you going to use?

I had an f-body pan flat black powdered.. I would have rather used the C6 pan or the ATS pan but I need as much clearance for the rack as possible.

Reckless

08-01-2006, 01:28 PM

You really do have the knack for this stuff Steve. Looks like another killer car in the making!

Steve1968LS2

08-10-2006, 01:08 PM

McBride whipped up a quick rendering for me.. we still need to tweek some details but I thought it was cool enough to post. Need to modify the roll cage, rearview mirror and delete the chrome drip molding. Also need to ditch the wipers and add a factory side view mirror.

Just thought I would share...

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restomodbird69

08-10-2006, 01:14 PM

man if my bird comes out half as nice as your camaro i will be happy.looks great i like the lowered cowl.

Steve1968LS2

08-10-2006, 01:16 PM

man if my bird comes out half as nice as your camaro i will be happy.looks great i like the lowered cowl.

Yea, the guy has mad skills.. I wish I had tallent like that.. I envy guys like Horton, McBride and all the rest.. I can't draw worth a crap.

BA.

08-10-2006, 06:48 PM

wow Steve, I've not been keeping up to date!

The progress is just amazing and it is all coming together very nicely. I'm super jealous dude.

btw, nice selection on rims...

Steve1968LS2

08-15-2006, 08:55 PM

Today we installed DSE subframe connectors.. was amazed how easy they were to install and how well they mated to the aftermarket subframe even though they are designed for a factory one..

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kmcanally

08-16-2006, 03:48 AM

Very nice...outstanding workmanship!

Midwest Performance

08-16-2006, 07:27 AM

Mean 69

08-16-2006, 08:17 AM

There are no clearance issues with the DSE subframe connectors and our 3-Link, and frankly, no real reason to use anything other than them. They fit great, I can't see a better way to tie the frames together, I run them on my own car in fact.

Steve has been a terrific customer, his install wasn't a typical one in that the frame rails and significant sheetmetal work had been done to the car previously, so there's been an amount of improvising. On top of that, we had problems getting the correct axles (twice now), and a few other non-ordinary things pop up that haven't in the past with any other projects. You know, the "what the heck is that all about, oh well, not a big deal to fix, but...." He's been super patient, and it's been a great learning experience for all involved. His car just gets better, and better every time work gets done on it, it's really looking terrific and should perform really well.

Mark

Steve1968LS2

08-16-2006, 09:17 AM

Did you have to modify the DSE subframe connectors to fit with the Laterad-D rear suspension? I have DSE subframe connectors(not installed) and have seriously been thinking of A Lat-D rear set up. I was concerned you couldn't use the DSE connectors with that set up but it seems you can. Any info I should be aware of?

Thanks Kevin

I was amazed at how well they fit and how well they mated up to not only the Latteral Dynamics three link but to the 21st Centrury subframe. Install time was less than 5 hours. We did the install with a lift and it seemed much less hassle than doing it from the inside of the car. The story should be comming up in an upcomming issue of PHR.

Steve1968LS2

08-16-2006, 09:18 AM

Steve has been a terrific customer, his install wasn't a typical one in that the frame rails and significant sheetmetal work had been done to the car previously, so there's been an amount of improvising. On top of that, we had problems getting the correct axles (twice now), and a few other non-ordinary things pop up that haven't in the past with any other projects. You know, the "what the heck is that all about, oh well, not a big deal to fix, but...." He's been super patient, and it's been a great learning experience for all involved. His car just gets better, and better every time work gets done on it, it's really looking terrific and should perform really well.

Mark

Thanks Mark, I guess I've doing this long enough that I worry if no little issues pop up during any sort of work.. lol

The car is going to be killer when done. All the parts just seem to be working together so well so far as far as fitment. I never get sick of looking at pics of your 3-link and now that everything (the DSE SFCs and the 3-link bracing) is coated it looks almost factory. Once we get it done and corner scale it the car should haul ass. Sure, the paint isn't perfect and some of the gaps are less than ideal, but it's filled with what I feel are some of the best performing parts out there and it should look nice enough to take to cruise night or a car show as well as perform good enough for the track.

Next week.. LS2 time :woot:

muthstryker

08-21-2006, 12:16 PM

steve car is looking hot. keep up the good work

ballzy13

08-21-2006, 02:24 PM

cool:kewlpics:

Steve1968LS2

08-23-2006, 05:11 PM

Tomorrow we bolt in the LS2 and T56 and start the process of getting her running. Should take 4-5 days for all the systems then back to BOS to get the front sheetmetal re-hung.

Yesterday we finished up the LD 3-link and the brakes.. the results:

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muthstryker

08-23-2006, 06:34 PM

steve your making me jealous! cant want to see it finished. you should try to get some vids of it running :)

zbugger

08-23-2006, 07:29 PM

I want that in my car more now than ever......

James OLC

08-23-2006, 08:05 PM

It looks a whole lot better without the angle iron. Probably feels a bunch better as well. Very nice.

BuddyP

08-24-2006, 06:43 AM

Wow:jawdrop: Look at that rear end!!! SAAAWEEEET!

formula

08-24-2006, 11:37 AM

UNFAIR!!!

Something about coilovers....just absolutely sick!!

Now I'm gonna have to find another project car to put a 3 link on...dammit.

Mean 69

08-24-2006, 12:46 PM

Naaa. Just put one under your Formula. We can set you right up, no sweat!

I'll confess, I was a little concerned about Steve wanting to go with some red accents, in the back to match the front colors, but I am super pleased with how it came out. It looks even cooler in person, trust me. Sweet little car, no question about it.

Mark

Steve1968LS2

08-29-2006, 01:11 PM

The engine is in.. well, almost :)

Have to re-engineer a line on the rack that is hitting my low-slung alternator. Also, and this is no fault of 21st Century, I am modifying one tube on the header to clear my steering. Their header is designed around a normal Camaro steering column and not the shot racing one I am using. Other than that the engine an trans is in and in a few days (have to go install an interior into g/28) we will finish up the install and fire it up. Only have to install the loom and run the fuel lines... easy.. lol

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mdprovee

08-29-2006, 02:06 PM

Your pictures arent showing Steve

Steve1968LS2

08-29-2006, 05:08 PM

Your pictures arent showing Steve

site must be down.. :(

<-- back to work

Steve1968LS2

09-01-2006, 04:50 PM

Closer:

http://www.lifeinwidescreen.com/siihp/install2.jpg

The modified headers fit perfectly and the steering hooks right up. Next week we just have to wire it, fuel it, water it and fire it up. :)

Mr.VENGEANCE

09-01-2006, 04:57 PM

christ!..

formula

09-01-2006, 05:19 PM

alright steve, one time offer, i will trade you straight up, car for car.

Think about it!!

Kenova

09-01-2006, 05:33 PM

Beauty!! It should be damn near criminal to cover all that up with sheet metal.
I guess that's necessary to drive it though.:drive:
Ken

slenning

09-01-2006, 06:48 PM

Very, Very cool uh Wow

trapin

09-02-2006, 07:44 AM

It already qualifies as the baddest '68 on the planet.

....and they haven't even finished it yet.

When this car finally hits the streets, it's going to be like the 2nd coming of Christ.

Steve1968LS2

09-02-2006, 08:18 AM

It already qualifies as the baddest '68 on the planet.

....and they haven't even finished it yet.

When this car finally hits the streets, it's going to be like the 2nd coming of Christ.

lol.. thanks.. however, it's not a perfect show car.. there are a few nicks and scrapes here and there. The paint is an 8 out of 10, that sort of deal. To build a "showcar" takes a ton of work so that you don't nick anything during assembley, I don't have that sort of time and besides, I want to drive it on the street, the track and I want to try my hand at the Pony Express.

However, I hope to have the nicest car at open track day.. I'm very happy with the engine bay so far. It has a nice "industrial" look to it. It's a shame to put inner fender wells in it but it's too impractable to not have them and they do add structural support.

I am having a custom DSE core blockoff made with no hole for the hood latch. It will be powdered in matt black and instead of the factory hood latch I will run the aero catches.

I also need to find a place to cover my roll cage in leather. It's a bit scratched up and it's a PITA to paint it in the car.

muthstryker

09-02-2006, 08:50 AM

nicks and scraps **** i would care with a car like that

colt zantop

09-03-2006, 06:52 AM

man....that is looking killer! god I love this car!!!!

formula98

09-04-2006, 09:21 PM

You’re killing me, I can’t see the pictures! I get an x on all of your posted pictures. How can I see the pics you posted? I may be getting an LS2 for my 67 (RipTide) in the near future and want to see your build. Can you feed me a link to view all of your pics? I tried your web site and no such luck. Thanks for sharing

novanutcase

09-04-2006, 09:40 PM

Steve1968LS2

09-05-2006, 06:19 AM

Steve,

Any way we can get some specs on the engine? Is the water pump stock to the LS2 or is it an aftermarket? How about the powersteering pump? Damper? Valve Covers? Rails for the packs? Etc.? Not going to have A/C? What kind of intake will you be using? Going N/A or EFI? Oh crap, I just saw the second photo! Is that a FAST intake? I love the look. Clean and Mean and not too much Bling! YEAH!!!!!!!:headbang:

BTW.......Have you talked to Wayne Due lately? He tells me he is SUPER busy! Is there something good cooking with him you can let us in on?

Meziere Street electric water pump
4th gen f-body pulley system and PS pump
ATI super dampner
Katech valve covers and fuel rail brackets
FAST intake
No A/C or Heat

:)

No, don't talk to Wayne much.. now that his shop is closed I have no idea what he is up to.

Steve1968LS2

09-05-2006, 06:20 AM

You’re killing me, I can’t see the pictures! I get an x on all of your posted pictures. How can I see the pics you posted? I may be getting an LS2 for my 67 (RipTied) in the near future and want to see your build. Can you feed me a link to view all of your pics? I tried your web site and no such luck. Thanks for sharing

The hosting site I had been using died I guess.. I did attach some pics a few posts up :)

formula

09-05-2006, 06:58 AM

BonzoHansen

09-05-2006, 10:39 AM

Steve, the damn thing looks like it was born there. Nice.

You are not helping my jealousy issues at all, though. I picked up a book on LS1/LS6s this weekend at B&N (Wheel To Wheel is in it a lot, too). You are a bad, bad influence. :)

Steve1968LS2

09-05-2006, 10:57 AM

Is your webfolder seriously called SIIHP? If so, :lmao:

Bonus points for knowing what that stands for.. :lol:

BADVELLE

09-05-2006, 11:13 AM

The engine looks awesome in the cradle Steve, very nice!:cool:

BonzoHansen

09-05-2006, 04:27 PM

Is your webfolder seriously called SIIHP? If so, :lmao:
Bonus points for knowing what that stands for.. :lol:

This is a family site, behave! :)

Steve1968LS2

09-07-2006, 05:26 PM

Long day today.. There's a price to pay for trying to have what you want. lol

I wanted to run the f-body LS1 pulley system since I feel it's very compact and has a nice clean look. Instead of the alternator being mounted way high it's down low and tight to the block. I just like how it looks. On my '69 with a regular gear box it was no problem. However with the power rack/pinion it hit the upper hard line. The problem was that he line make a big looping bend and that bend was hitting the back of the alternator.

I cut the tubing so I could use the section with the flare and then drilled and tapped the nut and added a ninety fitting that had a #6 AN on one end. I then had a #6 male welded to the other end of the tubing. This allowed me to get rid of the loop and use a short braided line to give the alternator the needed clearance. As luck would have it the post on the back of the alt perfectly lined up with and hit the new fitting (couldn't have engineered to hit more exactly.. lol). I took apart the alternator and we made a shorter stud that now gives me a wopping 1/4-inch clearance.
Everything fits very tightly, which looks sweet but is a PITA to get right.

Tomorrow the Camaro goes on the rack so we can plumb the fuel lines, secure the tranny, install the driveshaft and we will also run the wiring. The car needs to be done next Tuesday so it can go back to the body shop for the front end re-installation.

Here's the modified steering line:

formula98

09-07-2006, 10:32 PM

Hi Steve, Looks great! let me know how it works out.

I just bought an LS2 for my 67. I'm using Wayne Due's front end and will possibly run into the same problem. I haven't decided how I'm going to do the pulley system and any advice would be great. The shop I bout the LS2 from told me that they sometimes get the complete motor with the pulley system, but I'm not getting my hopes up. The motor was for an 06 SSR and was a production over run. I should know more next week.

From the pictures I have seen your car looks great! I will be watching for more posts.

Part Time

09-08-2006, 07:13 AM

I've read this entire post over and over again. If the car isn't insanely awesome enough, the amazing part is that I would imagine in some ways you are actually getting paid to work on your car? Very nice!

Keep up the great work! The car and the magazine are top notch.

formula98

09-12-2006, 01:08 PM

Yea, it's hard to compromise.. I got lucky and Penny had my fav wheels on the car when I bought her.. Wheels make the car so it's worth getting what you want. I didn't build the '69 like I wanted and when done I regretted some decisions. Won't happen this time.

No prob on the "progress" statement.. It's all good :D

Hi Steve,

I was going through your progress on Penny and read the above statement and for one thing I think your 69 is absolutely great! I looked at your site and downloaded many of the pictures and still look at them for inspiration. I planned to build RipTied modeled after your 69. Sorry this is long and drawn out, but my question to you is what would you have done different? I have not seen your 69 in person, but love the way it came out. I planned on a modern suspension and will be using Wayne Due’s C4 front and rear setup, but my goals for the car are more for a street driven not race driven car. I have noticed that both Z069 and Penny are geared more towards the track. What did you not do with the 69 that you wish you had?

Thanks in advance for your comments.

Penny is coming along beautiful and I hope I get to see the complete master piece in person when completed.

Steve1968LS2

09-12-2006, 04:57 PM

Hi Steve,

I was going through your progress on Penny and read the above statement and for one thing I think your 69 is absolutely great! I looked at your site and downloaded many of the pictures and still look at them for inspiration. I planned to build RipTied modeled after your 69. Sorry this is long and drawn out, but my question to you is what would you have done different? I have not seen your 69 in person, but love the way it came out. I planned on a modern suspension and will be using Wayne Due’s C4 front and rear setup, but my goals for the car are more for a street driven not race driven car. I have noticed that both Z069 and Penny are geared more towards the track. What did you not do with the 69 that you wish you had?

Thanks in advance for your comments.

Penny is coming along beautiful and I hope I get to see the complete master piece in person when completed.

The '69 was great but it came out more "street rod" than what I wanted.. it was plush, comphy and not "on edge" enough.. It was like a trophy wife that looks great and is fun but doesn't have that edge. Penny is like that bad girl you dated in college.. she is tons of fun but edgy and you really don't want to introduce her to your parents. Is that a good analogy?

I would have mini-tubbed the '69.. ditched the chrome.. caged it and put a bigger cam in the engine.. If I want comfort I will drive my daily driver.. If I want to scare small children I will drive Penny.. lol

Oh, and the '69 handled good and stopped great but the '68 will be in a different league as far as handling..

And while the pics make it look like a show car the paint is only an 8 out of 10 and there are a few nicks and imperfections.. That way I won't be afraid to drive it.. lol

Bouns pic with the engine wired up.. getting closer..

formula98

09-12-2006, 05:36 PM

Well your analogy’s are great. I’m going more toward the middle between your 69 and Penny. I want comfy fun.

I’m in the middle of a DSE mini-tub and IRS install at the moment. I’ll post pic’s when I have something presentable. I did find an LS2 crate motor for my project and hope I can get your advice from time to time when I get closer. I live in Southern California, is there any chance we could hook up so I could pick your brain on the 69? I’d also love to see Penny in person! Thanks for reply.

Steve1968LS2

09-12-2006, 07:24 PM

formula98

09-12-2006, 08:30 PM

I sent you an e-mail with an apology. When you get a chance please check out my e-mail.

Thanks for your replys

Steve1968LS2

09-12-2006, 08:50 PM

I sent you an e-mail with an apology. When you get a chance please check out my e-mail.

Thanks for your replys

I have been out of the office for 2 weeks now.. I haven't been able to do much email or PMs..

I have no idea why you would have to appologize for anything.. whatever it was consider it forgotten and forgiven :)

When Penny is done we will have to go hit a local cruise night or something..

formula98

09-12-2006, 09:19 PM

I'm all for that!

slow4dr

09-14-2006, 08:09 PM

I had to stop by a certain so-cal shop today to drop off a part for a powerstroke Tim was working on. As I am walking up to the open bays I am pleasantly surprised to see "Penny" sitting there in all her glory. I found myself laying on the shop floor in my nice work clothes drooling at the LD 3-link. Pictures definitely do not do this car justice. That is one amazing piece of machinery you got there Steve.

What coil-overs are you using on it?

BonzoHansen

10-09-2006, 05:31 PM

What, almost a month with no update? :)

formula98

10-09-2006, 07:43 PM

I keep looking too! But I understand. Everytime I want to spend time on my project something else tends to take the time I set aside. I ordered my sheetmetal today! I can't wait to see what has happened with Penny!

6'9"Witha69

10-09-2006, 08:12 PM

Penny and II Much are the cars I am waiting to see the most!!

Damn True

10-11-2006, 07:15 AM

Hey Steve,

In the Nov issue on pg99 (your engine dyno story) it shows a guy plugging a cam into the engine with the heads and intake in place. What keeps the lifters from dropping in the way?

Steve1968LS2

10-15-2006, 09:32 AM

Hey Steve,

In the Nov issue on pg99 (your engine dyno story) it shows a guy plugging a cam into the engine with the heads and intake in place. What keeps the lifters from dropping in the way?

LSx engines have "retainers" the help keep the lifters from falling. They work great when the engine is new and less-so as the engine gets older. Unless the engine is pretty new it's still a good idea to use magnets if you can.

My shop does swaps all the time and they hardley ever have an issue with lifters falling.

Steve1968LS2

10-25-2006, 04:23 PM

So close.. fender are ON.. :woot:

Just need the valances, hood and to figure out the front wheels :D

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

I can almost taste the asphalt.. wait, that sounded wrong..

the camtender

10-25-2006, 04:54 PM

Can't get much cleaner & simple than That!!
Man that sure is sweet.Tell me again,what type
hood you went with(and latches).any pics?
Thanks Jerry

Steve1968LS2

10-25-2006, 05:03 PM

Can't get much cleaner & simple than That!!
Man that sure is sweet.Tell me again,what type
hood you went with(and latches).any pics?
Thanks Jerry

Standard cowl hood.. billet DSE hinges and AeroCatch hood pins (no factory latch)

Also running a custom DSE radiator closeout that will be matte black in color

No pics yet.. time will tell :)

formula98

10-25-2006, 05:23 PM

It's great to see some progress on your project. Sounds great! The tasting the asphalt doesn't sound so good, but the smell of rubber on the asphalt smokin the tires would be much better! I'm real excited for you! I can’t wait to see an article in some, well, you know, Publication! (Can’t figure out which one!).

Looking Good!

Ron

David Pozzi

10-28-2006, 08:58 PM

I'd like to know the front and rear weights...:ssst:
David

Steve1968LS2

10-28-2006, 09:34 PM

I'd like to know the front and rear weights...:ssst:
David

Me too.. lol

Mark and I plan on corner scaling the car and all that fun suspension tuning stuff..

Car was 3420 when I started.. it should be considerably lighter now.

Steve1968LS2

10-31-2006, 12:31 PM

More progress..

Figured out the front wheel size. Now we just have to ship the them back to Forgeline so they can "adjust" them. It's 18x9 with a 6.5" backspace.

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And here she is as we finished up for the morning... need to lower the back down a bit. Install the grill and voila! it just might be a car.

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With the hood on we were able to check out where to mount the aero-catch hood pins. The problem is that the catch (which requires a large hole) would need to mount in the most PITA place in the hood. Installing would require a lot of metal work to make look right from the inside. Since I am quickly running out of $$$ I will revisit this idea someday. We were hoping it would fall in flat place on the hood, but no luck.

formula98

10-31-2006, 04:19 PM

Looks great! What size tires are you going to run on the front?

olds87

10-31-2006, 05:09 PM

Look like in the photo up top is 275/35ZR18.

zbugger

10-31-2006, 05:13 PM

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

I think it says right there....

Damn True

10-31-2006, 05:15 PM

All I'm getting is red "x"

Steve1968LS2

10-31-2006, 05:32 PM

All I'm getting is red "x"

You suczors at teh interwebs!

lol ;)

Anyways.. working for me..

and yes.. 275/35/18 on a 18x9 wheel..

NvrDun71

10-31-2006, 06:49 PM

Steve, who makes the backspace tool pictured above?

formula98

10-31-2006, 07:50 PM

I think it says right there....ok..ok..ok.. I see it. I rushed through the post earlier and missed it. Thanks for pointing out my brilliance......:pat:

Damn True

10-31-2006, 08:43 PM

You suczors at teh interwebs!

lol ;)

Anyways.. working for me..

and yes.. 275/35/18 on a 18x9 wheel..

I have no idea what that means, but the pics are working now.

Jims78elky

11-01-2006, 01:19 AM

Steve, who makes the backspace tool pictured above?

I posted this link....
https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22576

Percy's site...
http://www.percyshp.com/producthomewheelrite.html

Percy's is the place to get them,now the super-uber aluminum
jobby that Steve used is $$$, you can get there $99.99 special
in a rigid plastic unit (that works perfectly) for considerably less
cash flow,but i don't think penny would like anything made out
of plastic on her though:rotfl: ..lol. I think the aluminum model
runs around $300.00? **Not sure though**

I've used mine and it does work like it says,iam already at the
biggest rim/tire size i can go without major mods to the frame.

A fantastic tool for anyone in this hobby!

-Jim

NvrDun71

11-01-2006, 09:04 PM

I posted this link....
https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22576

Percy's site...
http://www.percyshp.com/producthomewheelrite.html

Percy's is the place to get them,now the super-uber aluminum
jobby that Steve used is $$$, you can get there $99.99 special
in a rigid plastic unit (that works perfectly) for considerably less
cash flow,but i don't think penny would like anything made out
of plastic on her though:rotfl: ..lol. I think the aluminum model
runs around $300.00? **Not sure though**

I've used mine and it does work like it says,iam already at the
biggest rim/tire size i can go without major mods to the frame.

A fantastic tool for anyone in this hobby!

-Jim

Thanks for the info man, I'll have to pick one up.

TLWiltman

11-02-2006, 12:38 PM

Steve, who makes the backspace tool pictured above?
I know it's been awhile, but the particular tool in that photo is made by Autoware Technologies LLC. It's called a "tire mount mate" and costs $500. Oddly, I only found the tool because I was able to pick out "tire mount mate" in the photo.

BA.

11-02-2006, 07:59 PM

heheheheh Steve said "interwebs". LOL. :lol:

Steve1968LS2

11-06-2006, 07:07 AM

I know it's been awhile, but the particular tool in that photo is made by Autoware Technologies LLC. It's called a "tire mount mate" and costs $500. Oddly, I only found the tool because I was able to pick out "tire mount mate" in the photo.

Found thier website..

http://www.autocentersforsale.com/external.cfm?l=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eautowaretech%2Ec om

Steve1968LS2

11-07-2006, 07:02 PM

Here are some pics from yesterday.. the black close-off has been added along with the hood.

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And how she looks.. still need to suck the front wheels in (at Forgeline) to accomodate the C5 suspension. Oh, and the back needs to come down with the coil overs.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

formula98

11-07-2006, 07:19 PM

dhardison

11-07-2006, 07:21 PM

Hey Steve, where'd you pick up the billet looking cover for the hydraulic clutch reservior?

eville

11-07-2006, 07:36 PM

Wow! That looks awesome! But someone stole your radiator cap!

restomodbird69

11-07-2006, 07:44 PM

that car is beautiful.

Steve1968LS2

11-07-2006, 07:45 PM

Ok, I’m going to ask another question (it’s probably in the picture somewhere). What size wheels are you using up front and what back spacing? I just got quizzed on a 18 x 10 wheel with 6.25 back spacing. I was told that the tire was hitting the sway bar on a C5 sub frame (WD). Are you running wheels that deep?

Also, I would like to know where you get your fasteners for your fenders? I like the washers and bolts you are using.

Your project looks great! I hope my project turns out as nice.

18x9 with a 6.5 inch backspacing. Worked with the wheel deal. The ones on the car now are wrong.

Remember that I'm running a splined sway bar that gives a bit more clearance.

Fasteners are from www.hillcofasteners.com (http://www.hillcofasteners.com) they are a three piece deal. The milled aluminum countersunk washer, the chrome washer and the button head allen. The bolts holding the fenders to the firewall add in one more large non-countersunk washer.

Gets expensive though..

Hey Steve, where'd you pick up the billet looking cover for the hydraulic clutch reservior?

Thundar Racing (ls1tech.com).. it's made for the f-body one but works :)

Oh, they were made by MBA Products which is now BK so hopefully Thunder has one left..

Steve1968LS2

11-07-2006, 07:47 PM

Wow! That looks awesome! But someone stole your radiator cap!

Well, that is a problem and it's my fault.

DSE built the closeout to work on a f-body with the radiator cap in the stock (passengers side) location. Mine radiator is a double pass and the cap is on the drivers side.

I am currently modifying the closeout to work, such is the custom car gig...

bigblocktech

11-07-2006, 07:52 PM

speechless

eville

11-07-2006, 07:54 PM

such is the custom car gig...

So it goes with the things that should be simple! If you get to fed up, let me know I'll be happy to take it off your hands!:seizure:

Steve1968LS2

11-07-2006, 07:57 PM

So it goes with the things that should be simple! If you get to fed up, let me know I'll be happy to take it off your hands!:seizure:

Yea, it's not DSE's fault.. it's just the deal when you have a bunch of custom stuff.. I will survive, but thanks for the offer ;)

DJ Mabe

11-08-2006, 12:47 PM

Nice work Steve. Did DSE make that close off just for you or was it something they've done in the past?

Steve1968LS2

11-08-2006, 01:28 PM

Nice work Steve. Did DSE make that close off just for you or was it something they've done in the past?

No, that's their standard offering.. I just had it "fine textured" black powder painted.

novanutcase

11-15-2006, 12:27 AM

Steve1968LS2

11-15-2006, 03:39 PM

Who makes the power steering pump? Damn, your car is amazing! Also, who ground down the FAST intake? There are so many cues on it that I want to mimic but it's so hard to take it all in at once! Amazing work!

It was built by www.turnone-steering.com (http://www.turnone-steering.com) .. Jeff there builds for a lot of race teams, nice guy and always willing to give advice. He also made the pully.

Thanks for the comments.. Here's some more car "porn".. lol

I'm just waiting now for the wheels that are at Forgeline getting rebuilt. :Alchy:

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kmcanally

11-15-2006, 03:48 PM

Dam Steve...that is so nice!

Steve1968LS2

11-15-2006, 04:34 PM

Dam Steve...that is so nice!

Hey Magazine star.. slumming here with us ;)

You might want to grab a $100 and go hit the newstand for the January issue.. the magazine and umm.. calendar might interest you :secret:

Mr.VENGEANCE

11-15-2006, 05:29 PM

jesus, steve.. that car is so bad ass

formula98

11-15-2006, 11:19 PM

Great Job Steve! I would love to see the car in person. Let me know when you take it on a cruse night and where and I'll show up to see her in person (I'll bring my own drool rag!) Beautiful car!

kamaroman68

11-16-2006, 09:35 AM

Steve I really want to know how you got your firewall so smooth. Was the original cut out and replaced with a brand new flat piece of metal? It definitely does not look like a dse filler panel. Do you have any pics of the car when that was getting done? Chris

dhardison

11-16-2006, 09:44 AM

I just can't stop staring at that engine compartment, OUTSTANDING job! Steve, what brand/type of radiator hose ends/clamps did you use?

Steve1968LS2

11-16-2006, 10:25 AM

Great Job Steve! I would love to see the car in person. Let me know when you take it on a cruse night and where and I'll show up to see her in person (I'll bring my own drool rag!) Beautiful car!

No problemo.. when done it will be all over SoCal :)

Steve I really want to know how you got your firewall so smooth. Was the original cut out and replaced with a brand new flat piece of metal? It definitely does not look like a dse filler panel. Do you have any pics of the car when that was getting done? Chris

All the "bumps" were cut out of the original one so what was left was flat. Then a paper template was made. From that a panel was made from 16 guage steel. That panel was boned to the remnants of the factory firewall using a super epoxy called Fusor. After drying the plate was perimeter welded, ground smooth then normal body work. The lower holes, factory steering column hole, wire block hole and all that were covered up. There are only one three holes in the whole firewall. One for the small racing column, one for the master cylinder and one for the clutch master.

Here are some pics:

Steve1968LS2

11-16-2006, 10:26 AM

I just can't stop staring at that engine compartment, OUTSTANDING job! Steve, what brand/type of radiator hose ends/clamps did you use?

They are thermo clamps by Gates (www.gates.com (http://www.gates.com)) they shrink when heated and work pretty damn good. Only cost a couple bucks each. DSE is running them on thier test car and Kyle likes them.

kamaroman68

11-16-2006, 11:10 AM

Steve thanks for the pictures. Now i am wondering if you have any pictures before those with the "bumps" being removed and before bonding the new metal. Basically what i am getting at is I already cut most of the firewall out of my 68 and i'm wondering if i went just a tad to far. I'm pretty sure anything can be fixed but..... thanks Chris

Steve1968LS2

11-16-2006, 12:25 PM

BretB

11-16-2006, 12:42 PM

Wow, that car is wicked clean. Too cool, love the color.

DJ Mabe

11-16-2006, 02:00 PM

I absolutely love this car! This thing just keeps getting better and better. Shay's Red/White 69 Camaro used to be my Camaro of choice but, I think I have a new favorite. Nice work Steve!

62wagon

11-20-2006, 12:45 PM

Fasteners are from www.hillcofasteners.com (http://www.hillcofasteners.com) they are a three piece deal. The milled aluminum countersunk washer, the chrome washer and the button head allen. The bolts holding the fenders to the firewall add in one more large non-countersunk washer.

Steve - I have a question regarding these fasteners. I love the look, but have a question about what you are using from them. I see the anodized aluminum beauty washers, but none appear to be as large as a fender washer. Do you happen to have the part no.'s of what you bought? I understand it gets pricey, but when you get so deep in a project, what's a little more for ultra-cool fasteners? I would appreciate any help you could provide.

Thanks,
Mark

1Fine69

11-20-2006, 04:03 PM

anybody ever tell you ur a nutjob? :)

MrQuick

11-20-2006, 11:19 PM

...every day.LOL

96Z28SS

11-21-2006, 10:44 AM

Steve - I have a question regarding these fasteners. I love the look, but have a question about what you are using from them. I see the anodized aluminum beauty washers, but none appear to be as large as a fender washer. Do you happen to have the part no.'s of what you bought? I understand it gets pricey, but when you get so deep in a project, what's a little more for ultra-cool fasteners? I would appreciate any help you could provide.

Thanks,
Mark

I agree part numbers would help out alot there website is a bit hard to find what we are looking for.

FJB2069

11-22-2006, 04:12 PM

I ran into the same issue with my wayne due frame and alternator to rack clearance. Mine seemed a little worse in both high and low pressure lines were hitting. Rack or motor hieght must be slightly different on mine.

I opted to make an extension bracket to swing the alternator over and up. THis should give me plenty of clearance to all rack lines.