Anybody watch/watching UFC tonight?

[2Slow4U]

Just curious if anyone else follows this. Yup, I know...Saturday night, all dressed up and nowhere to go:box:

[qwik1320]

I'm hooked on the show since season 1, I usually watch it on Thursday nights.

[OHCbird]

Who won- Hoyce Gracie or Matt Hughes?

[vince]

Hughes won. I was rooting for Royce, but i figured hughes would probably get the win. Sucks to see Royce loose like that though. Cant wait to see George St. Pierre destroy Hughes in their next fight.

[kamaroman68]

So how did Hughes win Submission, KO???? Chris

[Marty G Cars]

I'm hooked too! Can't wait to see the fight on non PPV.

[2fast4u]

LOVE the show!!!

Hughes won as the Ref stopped the fight in the 1st round.

Hughes was on Gracie's back as he wrapped Gracie in grapvines and Gracie was spread out flat on his chest. Hughes starting punching Gracie's head relentlously right/left, right/left and all Gracie could do was slightly block the shots with his hands and the Ref stopped the fight as Gracie "could not intelligently defend himself." I was expecting a better fight than the $40 I dished out for this Paperview fight!!

On a side note, Gracie who had never been submitted before in his life...was so close to getting submitted by Hughes as Hughes started twisting his left arm to the extent it appeared to pop out of its socket, but Gracie didnt seem to be affected by the pian and never Tapped Out! Anyone else would of tapped out in that situation EZ! -Chris

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[2Slow4U]

Ref stopped the fight. I guess it would be a TKO? or maybe just a plain ol' W.

[nova65ss]

Man wasn't that crazy! One of the announcers was like " I think I saw his arm pop out!. Something popped!" But Gracie just kept on trying to get out. Looked like Hughs was just much more powerful than Gracie.

Jimmy

[2Slow4U]

LOVE the show!!!

Hughes won as the Ref stopped the fight in the 1st round.

Hughes was on Gracie's back as he wrapped Gracie in grapvines and Gracie was spread out flat on his chest. Hughes starting punching Gracie's head relentlously right/left, right/left and all Gracie could do was slightly block the shots with his hands and the Ref stopped the fight as Gracie "could not intelligently defend himself." I was expecting a better fight than the $40 I dished out for this Paperview fight!!

On a side note, Gracie who had never been submitted before in his life...was so close to getting submitted by Hughes as Hughes started twisting his left arm to the extent it appeared to pop out of its socket, but Gracie didnt seem to be affected by the pian and never Tapped Out! Anyone else would of tapped out in that situation EZ! -Chris

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Nice Name.:2nd: :1st:

[BuddyP]

LOVE the show!!!On a side note, Gracie who had never been submitted before in his life...was so close to getting submitted by Hughes as Hughes started twisting his left arm to the extent it appeared to pop out of its socket, but Gracie didnt seem to be affected by the pian and never Tapped Out! Anyone else would of tapped out in that situation EZ! -Chris

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Gracie originally left the UFC on a high note. The competition started getting tougher and he stopped while he was ahead in the game, don't get me wrong, the guy had a submission genious. He is just only good with one form. He had a rough time with Severn in UFC 4, it was also Severn's first time in the Octigon and hardly threw a strike, he was focusing too much on grappling alone. He was a changed man when he came back in UFC 5 and won. I think if Severn and Gracie would've had a rematch in UFC 5, I have no doubts that Severn would have won it.

I didn't have one in particular that I was specifically routing for but was happy to see Hughes win it.

[96Z28SS]

All I can say is if anyone else was in that arm bar like Gracie was they would of tapped out. Matt was trying his hardest to break that arm and get a submission and Gracie was calm and trying to think of a way to get out of it but Matt gave up and went to something else.
Also I think that the refs should not be allowed to stop the fight. you either get knocked out or you tap out. Also the ref should not make comments to the fighters. The ref told "Gracie get out of there" and thats when Matt just started his beating, Matt wasn't going to ground and pound till the ref said that, Matt wanted to try and submit him, which would of had given Gracie enough time to think about his next move.

Gracie also said he has a couple more fights in him. I believe Gracie wants a rematch but next time he wants the title match, he wants to take the title away from Hughes.

[2fast4u]

"The ref told "Gracie get out of there" and thats when Matt just started his beating, Matt wasn't going to ground and pound till the ref said that, Matt wanted to try and submit him, which would of had given Gracie enough time to think about his next move."

...Actually I think people from Gracie's corner were telling him to get out of there" not the Ref and then Matt starting beating his head in.

Gracie just reminded me of a proud Indian warrior entering the fight...a little out of shape- but very confident and very tested. Matt just has more tools, and is stronger IMO.

I myself am a former College Wrestler (Syracuse University) so I may be partial, but I think a former Wrestler(such as Hughes) has more tools and better chance to be a successful Ultimate fighter than others with a boxing, jujitsu, submission backgrounds and usually win. Rick Franklin and Chuck Lidell are 2 of the few exceptions.

-Chris

[96Z28SS]

I believe Matt even said the ref told him to get out and do something.

I do think Gracie needs to get some more all around training.

[vince]

Also I think that the refs should not be allowed to stop the fight. you either get knocked out or you tap out.

I would have to disagree with this. Some fighters are either too filled with pride to tap, or arent in the right state of mind after getting pounded. I believe its the refs job to decide when sombody has had enough. The ref makes decisions based on the safety of the fighters first and foremost, the way it should be. This is necessary to allow the sport to grow and be more accepted as a sport. If not i think some fighters would just get more injuries which would definitely hurt the way people look at the sport.

[vince]

I myself am a former College Wrestler (Syracuse University) so I may be partial, but I think a former Wrestler(such as Hughes) has more tools and better chance to be a successful Ultimate fighter than others with a boxing, jujitsu, submission backgrounds and usually win. Rick Franklin and Chuck Lidell are 2 of the few exceptions.

-Chris

I wouldnt say thats necessarily true. While i think wrestling is an important aspect, i dont think its the best background to have. It seems most of the successful fighters have jiu jitsu backgrounds. Lets not forget matt hughes has been beaten by jiu jitsu guys before, (penn, hallman) Plus you cant just look within the ufc either, check out organizations like pride and you'll quickly learn wrestling wasnt in any of the top fighters backgrounds, while world class wrestlers like mark coleman and kevin randleman are getting submitted over and over again.

[JJSmitches]

Matt did say something along the lines that he didnt start throwing those punches till the ref told Gracie to improve his position or "get out of there" is how I think he put it.

Assuming the comment isnt made I think the last 20 seconds tick off the clock and we get to see another round.

Overall it was a good night, only one fight went to decision (which I didnt exactly agree with) and all the others ended by submission or knock out.

[Madspeed]

All I can say is if anyone else was in that arm bar like Gracie was they would of tapped out. Matt was trying his hardest to break that arm and get a submission and Gracie was calm and trying to think of a way to get out of it but Matt gave up and went to something else.
Also I think that the refs should not be allowed to stop the fight. you either get knocked out or you tap out. Also the ref should not make comments to the fighters. The ref told "Gracie get out of there" and thats when Matt just started his beating, Matt wasn't going to ground and pound till the ref said that, Matt wanted to try and submit him, which would of had given Gracie enough time to think about his next move.

Gracie also said he has a couple more fights in him. I believe Gracie wants a rematch but next time he wants the title match, he wants to take the title away from Hughes.

Hehe if Royce G can EVER beat Matt H then Ill build your car for you.
It will never happen EVER he does not have the all around skills nor will he be able to obtain them fast enough to catch up an evolving M H, Nor catch any other UFC fighters Royce is DONE he should save himself the embaressment and stay out while hes ahead.

He left the UFC because he couldnt keep up anymore anyways.
You just can go intothe octigon and expect submissions to be the end all for everything. Especially not against Matt h all around skills and Disturbing strength.

IMO he wasent all that when he was king anyways.
If somone woulda swung on him when they were in his guard he might have craped himself.
If you review his fights you will see that nobody really swung on him till about the time he fought the Samoen dude.

If that jackass would have shaved his head he might have had a chance, not to mention if hed just dropped a few elbows in his guard then things may have been different.

Just my .02 C

[BuddyP]

I myself am a former College Wrestler (Syracuse University) so I may be partial, but I think a former Wrestler(such as Hughes) has more tools and better chance to be a successful Ultimate fighter than others with a boxing, jujitsu, submission backgrounds and usually win. Rick Franklin and Chuck Lidell are 2 of the few exceptions.

To a point, ju jitsu or boxing background alone don't do well, a combination of these is tough to beat. Although I do agree that Wrestling/Grappling is a key form in these fighting compititions. A good ju jitsu artist will likely beat a grappler most of the time (assuming no strikes are thrown). But all in all comes down to just how well you are trained. You can't submit a person on wrestling moves alone. A mix of both is what a fighter needs, wrestling to get em on the ground, and ju jitsu submission moves to finish them off... assuming the fight goes to the ground. But all need both stand up and ground techniques to be competitive.

[rocketrod]

I would have to disagree with this. Some fighters are either too filled with pride to tap, or arent in the right state of mind after getting pounded. I believe its the refs job to decide when sombody has had enough. The ref makes decisions based on the safety of the fighters first and foremost, the way it should be. This is necessary to allow the sport to grow and be more accepted as a sport. If not i think some fighters would just get more injuries which would definitely hurt the way people look at the sport.
I definitely agree. There would be a lot of SERIOUS injuries if the ref didn't stop some of these bouts a little earlier than some of us would like.