View Full Version : '69 camaro wrapped around a '02 for $100k
shanekennedy
04-28-2006, 01:15 PM
http://chevyhiperformance.com/tech/chassis/completebuilds/0606ch_2002_chevy_camaro_body_kit/
price seems a bit steep, even thought it does include 2 camaros
contacted the vendor & he said:
"What we do is build turnkey cars by taking TWO cars, an original first
gen car, as well as a fourth gen. We strip both cars down to the skeleton, and
create a whole new hybrid unibody out of parts of each. The car is still titled
as a first gen to maintain its collectible status. Once we create this new
hybrid unibody, which incorporates the body mounting points of the first gen,
and the suspension pickup points of the fourth gen, we then do a first class
restoration from there, with new repro body panels, new glass, all new
crate drivetrain, new suspension, brakes, etc etc. All that is topped off
with a show quality paint job and a new interior, most of which is our own
designs. As you might imagine, all that work and all those parts don't come
inexpensively. A turn-key car, with us supplying everything, including
the two cars to start with, is priced at $99,500 for the coupe, and $118,900
for the convertible. Those prices include all the standard equipment as listed
on our website www.retrorides.com (http://www.retrorides.com). If the customer supplies either the
first-gen car or the fourth-gen car, prices are adjusted accordingly, based on how
much of those cars can be re-used. The biggest savings would be from the
customer supplying the fourth-gen car, assuming most of its drivetrain and
components were re-usable. That could create a savings of $20,000 or more."
Todds69
04-28-2006, 01:56 PM
I wondered how much those ran price wise. Kinda cool though.
ProStreet R/T
04-28-2006, 01:58 PM
I've gotta give that a hearty ehhh :bsjerk: For $100k you can build a nice 1st gen, wayne due supframe, C5 suspension etc.
bobbaganoosh
04-28-2006, 02:29 PM
The exhaust/ turbo piping looks like complete crap hanging down like that.
colt zantop
04-28-2006, 02:32 PM
yeah...I seen it at DET.autorama...not to impressive for 100k... and the people representing it were cocky, arigant, and I just walked away in the middle of a conversation with them. first glance I thought it was an LS1 swap, so I said to my buddy chuck " that 69's got a LS1 swap"...we were like 10 foot away and the one person at the display was like" um no.....its way more than that" in a rude tone.... the other guy at the display I talked to minutes later I mentioned I had done a
LS1 swap im my 68 and his remark was " I bet it dont look like this one..does it". thats when I laughed and walked away. I just dont understand some people's $hitty attitudes?? they acted like it was a damn riddler winner or something... unreal...
68fusion
04-28-2006, 03:03 PM
A zo6 comes to mind for 100k and have some $ left over.
Damn True
04-28-2006, 03:21 PM
a) it's been done, SN65
b) it's not that great looking
c) it's waaaay expensive for what it is
d) no thanks
Chad-1stGen
04-28-2006, 03:24 PM
Well I like the concept. We can all agree that for the money it could be executed better.
madmax
04-28-2006, 06:04 PM
The exhaust/ turbo piping looks like complete crap hanging down like that.
LOL I thought those were sidepipes... until I read your post.
The price is steep, but I loved every bit of it, until this pic...
Hot Rod
04-28-2006, 06:25 PM
That pic was to small. Here you go. :twothumbs
Pipes look crappy
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
Bill Howell
04-28-2006, 06:31 PM
Holy Hell,
Regardless of the rest of the car, they really screwed up the exhaust. I would not have used that side shot if I were showing off my wares. Geez
ProdigyCustoms
04-28-2006, 07:28 PM
Actually, I thought for $100k, they were not going to make much money building them. But with that said, i am not sure who will want one. It really is not much different then the reskined white car at year one, different, but the same, and why?
I also talked to them, Your right Colt, they do think it is the shinizit!
Damn mentioned SN65, I do have to point out this was done and at SEMA last year, so it is no copy cat, but still I ask, Why?
I asked about the turbo selection since there are so many ways to force a LS F body. They said it was a sponsor deal, Doh! but why?
When i look at that picture, the first thing that i see isn't the beautiful car but those poorly placed pipes!
customcarpainter
04-29-2006, 04:17 AM
The white one at Year One was a sight to see!!!.........and not a good one!:screwy:
Hi Damn, Bill, Frank, etc...
I cannot figure out how they do it for $100,000. Or at least I cannot figure out how they give you what they say they give you for $100,000.
"The host car is completely disassembled, sandblasted, and prepped for restoration. We then retrofit the entire mechanical portions of a fourth-generation (‘98-‘02) Camaro or Firebird to the host car, using a patent-pending process that Retro Rides has developed. Along the way, all exterior sheetmetal is replaced with new steel panels from Goodmark Industries®, one of the leaders in reproduction restoration parts. New bumpers, grille, and weatherstripping are installed as well. Then, the car is treated to new mechanicals, including a modern fuel-injected crate motor (the LS1 as found on fourth-generation Camaros and TransAms is standard), a new crate transmission (4 speed automatic or 6-speed manual), new rear axle, new brakes, suspension, wheels, tires, and the list goes on."
The 69 Camaro
The 4th gen Camaro
New exterior sheetmetal
New bumpers, grille, and weatherstripping
A LS1 crate motor
A new crate transmission (4 speed automatic or 6-speed manual)
A new rear axle, new brakes, suspension, wheels, tires, etc...
Materials for paint and prep
Anyone care to add it up?
Subtract that number from the 100K and divide whats left by $65 and that gives you the # of hours they have to complete the job.
Also, take that # and divide it in half. That is how much "gross profit" per car. Subrtact from that overhead (insurance, facility expense, support staff, etc...)
$100,000 dosent go as far as it used to does it. :-)
I could not duplicate the SN65 for $100,000. I have about $65,000 in parts alone. Also, it would take us about 2,500 man hours to duplicate the car. That brings us to about $225,000.
Is the SN65 better than the Retro Rides Camaro? Or a better question might be... Is the SN65 $125,000 better than the Retro Rides Camaro?
Remember, the Retro Rides Camaro has a super, ultra secret, patent pending process that only allows them to graft these two cars together. :-)
Has anyone out there seen both the Retro Rides Camaro and the SN65? If so, how do the two compare quality wise? I remember that there were a few comments in regard to the quality of the retro rides car that showed up at SEMA.
Hey!!!!
Maybe we should have a "grafted car smackdown" event. It could be the SN65 verses the Retro Rides Camaro verses the Viper/challenger, etc....
I want to see who built a better car. Who has the best fit and finish. Who does the best in the quarter mile. Who does the best on the road course. Who does the best at the standing mile. Who does the best at the 0 to 60 to 0 competition. WHO HAS THE BEST STERIO!!!!
Enquiring minds want to know!!!! :-)
Mean 69
04-29-2006, 08:14 AM
They had a booth at SEMA that was really close to ours. I was going to approach them to see if there was interest from them in using some of our products, until we all saw the car. I don't believe the car had been completed at that point, I hope not, but it was not very impressive, certainly not next to the unreal cars that are stuffed into that show, but not on absolute terms either. I didn't talk to the guys, so I can't comment on the attitude. The car really looked "plastic" to me, it just looked fake or something, hard to describe. Everyone has their own taste and preference, I'd say that building a "typical" PT Camaro would be less expensive, a better car, and would probably smack the poop out of theirs, but they will probably sell a few despite that. I wonder what kind of warranty they have? If the appearance of the car is any indication of the overall quality and reliability, I'd guess they'd better reserve some cash for rework when the customer brings it back.
And to reinforce SN's position, for $100k? No way, there isn't a business model that can support that, not profitably.
M
Stu Seitz
04-29-2006, 08:41 AM
Why would you go throught the trouble of mating a 69 camaro with a 02camaro. A 1st gen maro with a C5 or C6 chassis would make a much better car.
zbugger
04-29-2006, 11:23 AM
I saw that car at SEMA and took a look at what they were doing. It's not as nice as anything I've seen of the SN65. The fit and finish was terrible as the car wasn't finished, but it needed a TON of work when I saw it. Not worth 40k, let alone 100k. I just didn't like it.
67SSDan
04-29-2006, 05:30 PM
Like the other guy said... Why? I just don't get this fascination with going that far with the idea of mixing old and new. The LS motor in the old car... definitely cool. Throw in the six speed... even cooler. Start adding C5 or C6 control arms... Cool, but I have to admit that makes me start scratching my head a bit... But to actually combine the two cars together with that much effort... to what end? I bet 100K would go a long way over at DSE (or pick your favorite company) and I'd be willing to to bet the DSE one would be just as good if not better... and that's not taking into account the crappy exhaust work.
While I'm already ranting... I thought the whole idea of the rear mounted turbo was because it makes installing it a little easier on the 4th gens... period. Seems to me that if they were going to all that effort, they could have squeezed it in upfront.
All IMO of course.
PRO TC
04-29-2006, 06:51 PM
thoes pipes hanging down are the return (boost) pipes on the rear mounted turbo. which i think is the dumdest thing i have ever seen.
barry
Like the other guy said... Why? I just don't get this fascination with going that far with the idea of mixing old and new. The LS motor in the old car... definitely cool. Throw in the six speed... even cooler. Start adding C5 or C6 control arms... Cool, but I have to admit that makes me start scratching my head a bit... But to actually combine the two cars together with that much effort... to what end?
SNIP.....
Hi Dan,
...to what end?
Actually, there is no end to get to. I consider the whole exercise pushing the envelope. Our goal in combining the two cars together was to build a fantasy car that looked like it could have been built by the factory. We wanted to incorporate every single functioning device from the 03 into the 65 body. We quickly learned that the only way to realistically accomplish that was to graft the two cars together.
Would I do it again? Yes, in a heartbeat. Building the SN65 was an eye opening experience. Not only in building a custom car, but also in learning what goes on behind the scenes, or the inner workings of the hobby.
But really, isn’t that what the whole hobby is about? Aren’t we always pushing the envelope in one way or another? I believe that things would be pretty boring if no one ever jumped into the deep end of the pool. Someone needs to check the temperature, at least every once in a while.
EFI69Cam
05-01-2006, 04:42 AM
Seems like a step backwards to me. The forth gen was not all that great in build quality or handling. Better than the 3rd gen, but that was not too diffucult. I'd guess a DSE coilover/quadralink car would be better than this mutant, for less money and effort.
dgumoe
05-01-2006, 06:03 AM
i don't get it. i could do that with an original 1st gen for 50000 and have a better looking interior, better suspension, and most importantly i wouldnt have that ugly ass pipe hangin underneath. can you imagine going over a speed bump with that thing? ill go one better and do a second gen for 40000 and still be cooler than that. oh well to each his own i guess.
TA219
05-01-2006, 06:42 AM
I have to agree that this car just isnt doing it for me, I actually made a little list of all of the things i didnt like but i decided i would spare you :lmao:
The one thing that i did see that i thought looked really good was the back end
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
It would have been better to just do a PT car IMO
67SSDan
05-09-2006, 01:33 PM
But really, isn’t that what the whole hobby is about? Aren’t we always pushing the envelope in one way or another? I believe that things would be pretty boring if no one ever jumped into the deep end of the pool. Someone needs to check the temperature, at least every once in a while.
Okay, I guess I should have qualified my comment a little better. Yes I agree that pushing the envelope is both cool and necessary, and honestly I really dig the SN65. Last time I checked you guys weren't trying to mass produce them though...
My personal beaf was / is, if you build one... okay cool. Try to start mass producing them and pawning them as super sweet street machines for those wealthy enough to afford them... I just don't see the point.
Just my personal thoughts.
ProStreet R/T
05-09-2006, 01:51 PM
Okay, I guess I should have qualified my comment a little better. Yes I agree that pushing the envelope is both cool and necessary, and honestly I really dig the SN65. Last time I checked you guys weren't trying to mass produce them though...
My personal beaf was / is, if you build one... okay cool. Try to start mass producing them and pawning them as super sweet street machines for those wealthy enough to afford them... I just don't see the point.
Just my personal thoughts.
Money, purely for the cash. If you can sell a few dozen for $200k why not? Same reason some guys charge $150-200k for tuner work on high end cars, cause people are willing to pay it. I think they are on drugs for spending $150k on a twin turbo kit, but w/e, hopefully I can get on the recieving end of that deal.
shanekennedy
05-10-2006, 02:17 AM
got this email from the vendor, it's not exactly clear what they're selling.
"Announcing a limited number of hybrid unibodies and/or rolling chassis!
Due to numerous requests, we have decided just within the past few days
to release a very limited number of complete unibodies for those folks
that want to be part of the build process. Just like our turnkey cars, these
unibody structures start life as a real first-gen car, come with a title and
VIN, and are ready for you to bolt in all the fourth gen suspension and
drivetrain. There are three phases available, depending on how much of the assembly
you want to do yourself. Prices start at $18,995 FOB Spanish Fork, UT.
We will likely only do about half a dozen of these units, so let me know as
soon as possible if you are interested."
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
I want a high res of that... too cool a pic.
jigga99
05-10-2006, 10:13 AM
well said ZBUGGER not worth $40 never mind a $100!!
I Can Think Of A Few Things I'd Rather Spend $100k.on!---i Could Probably Buy 90-95 3rd Gens!--- To Go Along With The 6 Cars That I Have Now!--lol!
CAMAROBOY69
05-10-2006, 12:37 PM
This cool idea started when the folks at Retro Rides in Spanish Fork, Utah, were bench racing about how much amazing technology the fourth-gen F-body has
Gee no credit for the guys that have been basically doing the opposite for years on our pro touring cars. 100k :bsjerk:
Like mentioned above you could get a car that handled a lot better with that kind of money if you want a 69 Camaro.
CAMAROBOY69
05-10-2006, 12:51 PM
Hi Damn, Bill, Frank, etc...
I cannot figure out how they do it for $100,000. Or at least I cannot figure out how they give you what they say they give you for $100,000.
"The host car is completely disassembled, sandblasted, and prepped for restoration. We then retrofit the entire mechanical portions of a fourth-generation (‘98-‘02) Camaro or Firebird to the host car, using a patent-pending process that Retro Rides has developed. Along the way, all exterior sheetmetal is replaced with new steel panels from Goodmark Industries®, one of the leaders in reproduction restoration parts. New bumpers, grille, and weatherstripping are installed as well. Then, the car is treated to new mechanicals, including a modern fuel-injected crate motor (the LS1 as found on fourth-generation Camaros and TransAms is standard), a new crate transmission (4 speed automatic or 6-speed manual), new rear axle, new brakes, suspension, wheels, tires, and the list goes on."
The 69 Camaro
The 4th gen Camaro
New exterior sheetmetal
New bumpers, grille, and weatherstripping
A LS1 crate motor
A new crate transmission (4 speed automatic or 6-speed manual)
A new rear axle, new brakes, suspension, wheels, tires, etc...
Materials for paint and prep
Anyone care to add it up?
Subtract that number from the 100K and divide whats left by $65 and that gives you the # of hours they have to complete the job.
Also, take that # and divide it in half. That is how much "gross profit" per car. Subrtact from that overhead (insurance, facility expense, support staff, etc...)
$100,000 dosent go as far as it used to does it. :-)
I could not duplicate the SN65 for $100,000. I have about $65,000 in parts alone. Also, it would take us about 2,500 man hours to duplicate the car. That brings us to about $225,000.
Is the SN65 better than the Retro Rides Camaro? Or a better question might be... Is the SN65 $125,000 better than the Retro Rides Camaro?
Remember, the Retro Rides Camaro has a super, ultra secret, patent pending process that only allows them to graft these two cars together. :-)
Has anyone out there seen both the Retro Rides Camaro and the SN65? If so, how do the two compare quality wise? I remember that there were a few comments in regard to the quality of the retro rides car that showed up at SEMA.
Dont put yourself down like that. Your SN65 is way way way better than this car. No comparison at all. I think every single person on this site would agree that your in a completely different category than this camaro idea. You took all the parts out of a new car and put them into an old one. Way more work than just throwing a body around an existing shell. You had to mock all the drivetrain, suspension, and interior into the old car. A hell of a lot more work then just putting a body around an existing car. Your car is awesome!! Never ever compare it to this camaro hybrid they are talking about.
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