DSE front coil over in factory location

[EFI69Cam]

I have the ATS tall spindles, and want to keep the factory upper arm location. Has anyone done this? I'm figuring you modify the jig to locate to the factory holes in the frame then procede with the rest of the install per instructions?

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Thanks

[Damn True]

Out of curiosity I sent DSE an email asking that exact question about 4 months ago. They didn't respond. You might have better luck calling them.

[EFI69Cam]

I called DSE, they did not want to talk about it. When I mentioned the tall spindle, the guy I spoke to (not Kyle) was concerned about upper ball joint bind and asked if I had a UCA to go with the tall spindle. I thought this was only a concern with A bodies?

I called ATS, Tyler (I think?) told me that some other folks have installed the DSE coil over in the factory locations. I'm hoping for some reassurance that I won't have to cut up the upper bracket.

[baz67]

I did that, but used the Guldstand location instead of the DSE location. I would guess that DSE would not take the modified jig back so keep that in mind. What control arms are you using?

[EFI69Cam]

Them not taking the jig back is not a deal breaker, in fact it would cost $30 to get $50 back.

I am using GW arms. I don't need the rearward reposition either.

[TitoJones]

The guy actually was worried about ball joint binding? Is he kidding? The guldstrand mod doesn't create ball joint bind, and it makes the spindle seem taller by lowering the UCA pivot point. Our AFX spindle will not create ball joint bind on a F body. A body, yes, but not an F body.

My suggestion is to wack off the UCA position portion of DSE's jig, bolt it to your frame holes where the upper A arm mounts, and reweld the jig back together. Then do the DSE coil over kit like shown in the instructions. As long as there is enough plate to fit into the slot you need to cut into the frame, there should be no reason this can't be done.

Tyler

[EFI69Cam]

The guy actually was worried about ball joint binding? Is he kidding? The guldstrand mod doesn't create ball joint bind, and it makes the spindle seem taller by lowering the UCA pivot point. Our AFX spindle will not create ball joint bind on a F body. A body, yes, but not an F body.

My suggestion is to wack off the UCA position portion of DSE's jig, bolt it to your frame holes where the upper A arm mounts, and reweld the jig back together. Then do the DSE coil over kit like shown in the instructions. As long as there is enough plate to fit into the slot you need to cut into the frame, there should be no reason this can't be done.

Tyler

Thats the plan. I hope the plate is long enough to fit in the frame.

Does the DSE kit move the arm back any or is it just lowered?

[TitoJones]

When I did one, it seemed that the plate was in line like the factory mount. It didn't seem that the jig was angled very much.

The plates look like they would have enough material to be retained at the factory location, but I might recommend a big larger and thicker gusset, just for good measure.
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Here is the cut in the frame with the jig in position-
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And this is how far the plates sit in the DSE location-
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Tyler

[EFI69Cam]

Tyler,

Thanks for the excellent photos. Based on what was said by whoever (Shane maybe?) answered the phone when I called you guys, the DSE mounts are between the standard GS mod and stock. There should be enough material, but I won't know for sure until I have the pieces in my hands, but I am confident it ought to work. I hear you on the larger gusset.

Thanks again for the info.

[bretcopsey]

FWIW, I made my own jig to do the g-mod and it wasn't too difficult to fabricate. It looks like hell, but it worked fine. You could do the same and skip modifying the DSE jig...

[BA.]

DAMN MY LUCK! (and my poor 69 RS)

I just read this thread and I cut off my stock UCA's just 2 days ago! :(
Of course, the DSE coil-over kit is bought and paid for....

I was hoping to benefit from the ATS tall spindles too! Now I'm not sure what to do!

I have a bunch of reading to still do, but, am I better off for spirited driving / cornering with my UCA in stock location and the ATS tall spindle vs the ATS standard spindle and the DSE UCA mounts?

[baz67]

DAMN MY LUCK! (and my poor 69 RS)

I just read this thread and I cut off my stock UCA's just 2 days ago! :(
Of course, the DSE coil-over kit is bought and paid for....

I was hoping to benefit from the ATS tall spindles too! Now I'm not sure what to do!

I have a bunch of reading to still do, but, am I better off for spirited driving / cornering with my UCA in stock location and the ATS tall spindle vs the ATS standard spindle and the DSE UCA mounts?

In short, yes. What UCAs are you using?

[BA.]

I have the DSE UCA and LCA from their Stage 3 kit.

I've searched and read some more and noticed Tylers response(s) on this topic in other threads.
Sounds like I should take the time to try to get these DSE UCA brackets into more of a stock location.

If anyone thinks differently, by all means, chime in or PM me. :)
I'm always in a mood to learn.


If anyone has any brainy idea's on how I might be able to get this DSE coilover bracket into more of a "stock UCA" mounting location, please offer up suggestions or PM me. (don't mean to take this off-topic)


Thx.

[EFI69Cam]

Using the DSE coilovers in the stock location is what this thread is about.
Read the first post for an idea how. Use another subframe to locate the jig if yours is cut.