ATS spindles in my hands...

[MrQuick]

after 3 days of waiting they finally showed up. My thoughts:

Box came wrapped real nice and secure. Bottom was abit weak. Internals were protected with nice expanding foam sections. Very nice.

The parts themselves are a work of art. Pure perfection. Very well designed and assembled.

A couple things to add. The lug studs are metric. Perfect for me but might be a complaint for others. Here is the link to some more pictures.

[Damn True]

Bitchin!

[zbugger]

I'll call you on thursday Vince. I'll be there after work if you're there.

[Steve68]

Nice, what the gray brackets for, ABS??

and please clean you wheels for future photos!!!

[scogin918]

Did they change the offset for your wheels versus the stock spindles? If you don't mind me asking, how much were they? I tried e-mailing Tyler but I haven't heard from him. I just ordered my front brake package from Precision brakes for a '69 spindle but it's not too late to call them up and change it to the Corvette set-up.

[andrewb70]

Please read the following thread for all details:

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11370

There is no need to repeat the same information in multiple threads.

Andrew

[EFI69Cam]

after 3 days of waiting they finally showed up. My thoughts:

Box came wrapped real nice and secure. Bottom was abit weak. Internals were protected with nice expanding foam sections. Very nice.

The parts themselves are a work of art. Pure perfection. Very well designed and assembled.

A couple things to add. The lug studs are metric. Perfect for me but might be a complaint for others. Here is the link to some more pictures.


Mine are due today. Good news on the metric studs. I switched my car over to metric studs awhile back.
Did you do a weight comparision between the ats/c5 hub assm and the stock spindle drum hub? I'm guessing the ats is still lighter.

[baz67]

Nice, what the gray brackets for, ABS??



Wheel speed sensor.

[ItsA68]

Mine were scheduled to be here today, but arrived a DAY early on Wednesday! All I can say is WOW! Massively nice. It was obvious that the guys at ATS are professionals, and are my kind of folks. I really liked the parts breakdown sheet, instructions, and their catalog all included in a nice folder, along with the spindles that everyone with a first gen Camaro have been waiting for since they started dreaming about going around corners fast. I have already started wondering what I can do with the wheel speed sensors.. :D ABS anyone? Traction control. We need someone to do some more engineering for a retrofit antilock system. Are there plugs available for the weatherpack connectors in the interim?

Its really great that ATS has made good on this project. It will be a massive improvement for all our cars.

~~fred

[wickedmotorhead]

WOW Thanks for the kind words guys. We are more than happy to see our customers get as amped up about our products as we are. We are working on nice assembly instructions with parts list for all out products, I'm glad you like'd them.


I have already started wondering what I can do with the wheel speed sensors.. :D ABS anyone? Traction control. We need someone to do some more engineering for a retrofit antilock system. Are there plugs available for the weatherpack connectors in the interim?

Fred,

Um, "for now," No special Weather Pack covers or caps are necessary. You can make your own using a mating tower or shroud and cavity plugs in place of the terminals, wires and seals. Like this...
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif


The lug studs are metric. Perfect for me but might be a complaint for others

Just to clarify, The bolt pattern is still 5 x 120.65mm (4.75) standard Chevy stuff, but yes they do come equiped with factory 12mm-1.5 studs, so you may need new lug nuts. We can upgrade by drilling out the hub and pressing in ARP 1/2" Race studs if need be.

Hope everyone enjoys and we look forward to hearing everyone's feedback.

Shane

[scogin918]

i'm officially on the waiting list for the next set. I can't wait. I like the idea of the race studs too. that way the front wheel would match the back.

[Steve68]

I NEED to get on the list, I like the idea of the studs also!

do they all come with the sensor bracket??

When's the 3rd batch going to be produced??

[EFI69Cam]

Mine were scheduled to be here today, but arrived a DAY early on Wednesday! All I can say is WOW! Massively nice. It was obvious that the guys at ATS are professionals, and are my kind of folks. I really liked the parts breakdown sheet, instructions, and their catalog all included in a nice folder, along with the spindles that everyone with a first gen Camaro have been waiting for since they started dreaming about going around corners fast. I have already started wondering what I can do with the wheel speed sensors.. :D ABS anyone? Traction control. We need someone to do some more engineering for a retrofit antilock system. Are there plugs available for the weatherpack connectors in the interim?

Its really great that ATS has made good on this project. It will be a massive improvement for all our cars.

~~fred


I got my spindles on Wed, they are sweet.

I am working on an ABS conversion right now. I'll post up when I get it done.

[jeffandre]

When are the 2nd Gen spindles going to be available? I am ready to order, so let me know and I will call before ordering. Thanks,

[Damn True]

Is there some sort of cover for the open end of the hub?

Like this perhaps?
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[wickedmotorhead]

Working on 2nd Gen right now as well. Hopefully by April.

No cover that I know of, if there would be enough interest we may offer one though.

[Stu Seitz]

I would have mine but they were mailed to the wrong adress, doh!

[Damn True]

Working on 2nd Gen right now as well. Hopefully by April.

No cover that I know of, if there would be enough interest we may offer one though.



Yeah, most definitely. It'll keep the crud out, and keep any grease that gets by the seal from spackling the wheels.

I plan to run my wheels w/o center caps (because I've never had any that'll freakin stay on or not get stolen).

[TitoJones]

True-
The C5 has a sealed hub. That recess in the front of the hub goes no where. You can't repack them, and they don't need servicing. The cover would be cosmetic only.

Tyler

[67bird]

I know this has already been said, but wow these are awesome. I left work early to check mine out. The only disappointment I had (if you can call it that) is not knowing that they (ATS) was working on a suspension kit for the front. Had I known I would have put more thought into buying the tall ones. Well I guess this just gives me the excuse to buy a second set, and build a car for my wife!!! Anyway keep up the great work. I say that because all the second gen guys and gals are waiting on sharing the same enthusiasm that we are. After that we (first gen buyers) want some cool steering arms to go with the spindles!

[gEtyOpAPiOn]

GOT MINES TODAY!!! woo woo they are sweet .... hmm late Xmas or early Xmas lol ....love them ... Vince did you order 2 sets ? i see A TALL and short one ...or is it my EYes >>> hmmm ill install mines too ... hehe since im doing my twin turbo headers .....abs just in time!!!

[Kenova]

..............knowing that they (ATS) was working on a suspension kit for the front.
:hmm: Please, tell me more!
Ken

[Norwoodx55]

I got to fondle a set of the AFX spindles today. What an awesome piece of work they are. Nice job ATS :twothumbs

[TitoJones]

Ken-
If you promise not to ask when it will be ready, I'll tell you a little bit about our new front suspension, the Chicane-LM.

The Chicane-LM is a complete bolt on front suspension that uses some of our new items like AFX spindles, our Caster-X shafts, our new 670 steering box, and our rate adjustable Spline-Tune sway bar. The kit includes all bushings, ball joints, steering linkage, and adjustable spring/shocks needed to take your factory F/X body platform to competition standards with no modifcations, or welding.

Rick- Vince did indeed get one tall and one stock set of AFX spindles, it isn't your eyes.

Tyler

[Damn True]

Ken-
If you promise not to ask when it will be ready, I'll tell you a little bit about our new front suspension, the Chicane-LM.

The Chicane-LM is a complete bolt on front suspension that uses some of our new items like AFX spindles, our Caster-X shafts, our new 670 steering box, and our rate adjustable Spline-Tune sway bar. The kit includes all bushings, ball joints, steering linkage, and adjustable spring/shocks needed to take your factory F/X body platform to competition standards with no modifcations, or welding.

Rick- Vince did indeed get one tall and one stock set of AFX spindles, it isn't your eyes.

Tyler



Dammit Tyler!
Now I have to figure THAT into the budget.

[zbugger]

Ken-
If you promise not to ask when it will be ready, I'll tell you a little bit about our new front suspension, the Chicane-LM.
You asked him not to ask, but not me. So I'll ruin it for everyone. Any idea when it'll be available? :candle:

[Kenova]

Ken-
If you promise not to ask when it will be ready, I'll tell you a little bit about our new front suspension, the Chicane-LM.
Tyler
No problem there Tyler. The way things have been going for me, your goods will be ready for the marketplace long before I'll be ready for them. :banghead: :banghead:
Ken

[TBART70]

any word on the mustang II spindles?

[EFI69Cam]

If you have a Unisteer R&P and the AFX spindles the steering arm did not sit flat against the spindle when I first mocked mine up. I had to break out the file and round down the corners on the inside part of the arm, on the side that mates with the spindle. Took only a bit, and kept the arm from digging into the spindle.

Just a heads up.

[MrQuick]

Sorry I haven't been able to reply much guys, i've been abit busy this month and haven't been on the computer much. Picking up another hobby doesn't help much either. Thanks for answering for me Tyler and Allen.
Hi Rick,
I have 2 pair for 2 projects. Don't want anyone to think I was trying to hog em and not let anyone eles get theirs. I actually need 3 more but we'll let everyone get there share. Can't say how much I love these units. Can't wait to beat the living s out of them. LOL

[gEtyOpAPiOn]

Yeah They Look Way Too Good Im Thinking Of Gettin Me Some See Through Rotors Lol Or Some Rotors With Oversized Crossdrilled Holes Haha

[gEtyOpAPiOn]

Vince Since You Are Mr Fabricator Can You Tell Me Where Can I Get Mild Steel To Build My Headers ?

[MrQuick]

No no no just mister quick for you. For nice new clean metal go to Bayshore metal in SF. Napolean st in the Potrero district.

For ok metal you can go to Alcola metal in Oakland. Right off of Davis and Doolittle.

If you need tubes mail order from AME. good stuff.

[Noel67]

Tyler, Shane and Tom,
Congratulations on this great new product. I installed them this weekend, should drive on them today. Everthing bolted right on. No problems.

Noel
www.touring-classics.com

[DJW32]

WOW! The spindles look great! I will place an order after the car is blasted clean.

Tyler- What Upper and lower control arm would you recommend for the new suspension setup? When it's ready ;)

[Damn True]

True-
The C5 has a sealed hub. That recess in the front of the hub goes no where. You can't repack them, and they don't need servicing. The cover would be cosmetic only.

Tyler



I think it would give a cleaner look. Would it be a huge headache to create something like that?

[gEtyOpAPiOn]

i dont think it really matters ....the only cars i see with their wheels off are lowriders lol

[Damn True]

i dont think it really matters ....the only cars i see with their wheels off are lowriders lol


Like I said above, I plan to run minilite replica wheels w/o the center caps.

This wheel:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

But w/o the center cap, like this:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[gEtyOpAPiOn]

ok then you do need help ...my bad ....hopefully something that would match that wheel

[Damn True]

ok then you do need help ...


My fiance tells me the same thing.......wierd.......:hmm:

[MrQuick]

hey true, where was that (blue Camaro) picture taken? Looks like up the street from me.

[Damn True]

No idea, the pic is from the Team III website. The car was built by Campbell Auto Resto.

Freakin sweeeeeeeeeet car.

[andrewb70]

Tyler, Shane and Tom,
Congratulations on this great new product. I installed them this weekend, should drive on them today. Everthing bolted right on. No problems.

Noel
www.touring-classics.com

Noel,

Do you know the minimum wheel size for stock C5 brakes?

Andrew

[jeffandre]

Vince,
I need to come check those spindles out! I will be getting a 2nd Gen set in a few months or so, but would love to check the wheel fitment with my 19's (fit between hub snout and wheel). Let me know when it's a good time, it's been a while. I'll fill you in on everything later, life has a weird way of getting in the way of my project.

[Noel67]

Hey Andrew,
C5 brakes will clear some 17s. The biggest problem we've seen is not the diameter but the distance from the back of the spokes to the face of the caliper. This is due to the rotor offset. However, this can fixed with small wheel spacers.

Noel

[Rick Dorion]

Noel, does your template address this? I currently have Vintage Wheel Works V45 16's and am considering a 17 to get rid of my spacer ( needed for my current C4 13" setup). Thanks!

[zbugger]

hey true, where was that (blue Camaro) picture taken? Looks like up the street from me.
Vince, I remember seeing that car at the Goodguys show in Pleasanton a while back. If I remember correctly, it belongs to a guy in Pacifica. I've also seen it while driving on Highway 1 south of Half Moon Bay, so I know it gets driven. Well, cruised, at least. It's a damn nice car.

[Damn True]

Vince, now that I'm thinking about it, I think I ought to grab a wheel template from Team III and bring it over to your shop to see if those things will clear the C5 stuff.

[MrQuick]

yeah Jeff & true, stop in, i've been at the shop everynight so far. Will be there this coming Sunday and Monday all day till 7:30 ish. Right now the C5 stuff is off the car. Im letting the springs settle a few weeks then I will cut adjust and install all the new stuff at the same time. I can still do a bench mockup of the spindle and C5 brakes.

My 4th gen 17's fit fine with no spacer.

I've seen that Camaro up the street but he's always going the opposite way. Its is sweet.

[EFI69Cam]

yeah true, stop in, i've been at the shop everynight so far. Will be there this coming Sunday and Monday till 7:30 ish. Right now the C5 stuff is off the car. Im letting the springs settle a few weeks then I will cut adjust and install all the new stuff at the same time. I can still do a bench mockup of the spindle and C5 brakes.

My 4th gen 17's fit fin with no spacer.

I've seen that Camaro up the street but he's always going the opposite way. Its is sweet.


Must be nice to see 69s on the street. Around here, you hardly ever see them, even in the summer months.

[Damn True]

yeah Jeff & true, stop in, i've been at the shop everynight so far. Will be there this coming Sunday and Monday all day till 7:30 ish. Right now the C5 stuff is off the car. Im letting the springs settle a few weeks then I will cut adjust and install all the new stuff at the same time. I can still do a bench mockup of the spindle and C5 brakes.

My 4th gen 17's fit fine with no spacer.

I've seen that Camaro up the street but he's always going the opposite way. Its is sweet.


I'll be out of town through Wed of next week (Sun Valley, Yeah!), we'll set something up when I get back into town.

True

[zman1969]

got mine and they look nice - waiting for rotors to get here now too bad itll be a year till i get it running - cant wait!! i am really curious how this will handle now :cool:

[MrQuick]

im guessing ALOT better! LOL

[gEtyOpAPiOn]

Oh Oh For Some Reason Im Thinking My 17 Inch Wheels Wont Fit =i .....hmms Anyone Tried It With The Reverse Lip Type Of Wheel ?

[baz67]

Oh Oh For Some Reason Im Thinking My 17 Inch Wheels Wont Fit =i .....hmms Anyone Tried It With The Reverse Lip Type Of Wheel ?

It depends on your wheel width and BS. I have a 8.5x17 with some aggressive BS, to help reduce scrub radius, and they just fit or just missed. It was so close in the mock up it was hard to tell. We used spacers to estimate hat thickness and the alignment was not set. However, a few emails with Shane later, they say there is a workable solution. I would guess a 8" rim would be fine.

[BRIAN]

I received mine yesterday and am pleased with the purchase from start to finish. Although I might have been ripped off. I thought I read that there was porn or pure porn?? I searched the box top to bottom and didn't see one porn photo anywhere?? Maybe it was an option?


Great product and good luck with your business.

[Stu Seitz]

Got my yesterday!!!! I got number 11, wonder who got number 1?

[TitoJones]

Got my yesterday!!!! I got number 11, wonder who got number 1?

Top secrect.:ssst:

Tyler

[scogin918]

Well it doesn't look like I'll be able to order the spindles after all. I just used the template for the C-5 brakes from Precision brakes and the caliper runs about 1/2" through the wheel. I'm almost afraid to see what a template for the stock spindle would look like.

[TitoJones]

Robert-
Spindles are not the issue with fitment here. A stock spindle C5 templete and an AFX C5 templete are going to be the same. The issue is your rims and brake selection. Try Touring-Classics templete for your Fikse rims. They might fit better in your rim.

Tyler

[scogin918]

I meant the template for the stock '69 spindle. I have a template for that from Precision and I'm running into trouble there, but not nearly as bad as with the ATS spindle. I wanted a bigger brake than what Touring Specialties offers and if I'm forced to chose between the ATS spindles and big brakes, I'll have to go with the brakes. I already have Wilwood 4-piston Superlites on the back. I want Wilwood 6-piston calipers up front and that's just not going to happen with the ATS spindle and my wheel. I can't see having to buy new brakes and new wheels just for the spindles.

[TitoJones]

Robert-
Again, the spindle is not the issue here. Our AFX spindle is dementionally the same as a stock 69 Camaro one. You aren't going to fit any C5 styled brake system on a 69 spindle that would fit differently on the AFX spindle. Your wheels are the limiting factor here, not our design. That is why we tell people to order wheels/tires after they have all the suspension/brakes installed on the car that they plan on running. Then you can adjust wheel backspacing and diameters accordingly.
I understand that you don't want to ditch your wheels to run our spindles, but please understand that C5 brake templetes have nothing to do with the spindles. The brakes either fit your wheels, or they don't. The spindles are way smaller than the rotors are, and will fit inside the rims. The brakes however.....
Well, you already know the answer to that.

Tyler

[scogin918]

That's what I'm trying to say. I can fit the Wilwood 6 piston brake kit on a stock '69 spindle with the Fikse wheel, but not with the ATS spindle.

[ItsA68]

Robert.

I think what you'll have to do is get rotors that are what the C5 uses, and then the radial mount brackets from wilwood that are used on the C5 big brake kit. IF your Wilwood 6 piston calipers are the same as what are used on the C5 kit, then you'll be able to re-use your calipers and hoses probably, you'll just have to get the brackets, and correct rotors.

If I understand you correctly, you already have brake kit that has big rotors, and the Wilwood calipers that fits on your stock camaro spindles. For you to go to the ATS spindle, you'll have to get the parts that make your calipers work with a C5/ats spindle. The bracketry and rotors are completely different to adapt the Wilwood kit to a stock camaro spindle than it is to adapt the Wilwood calipers to a C5/ATS spindle.

clear as mud?

~~fred

[zman1969]

Got my yesterday!!!! I got number 11, wonder who got number 1?
How do you know what number you were? Tyler- I Gots To Know! what number was mine? i got no letter of authenticty , no serial number , no plack !
:ripped:




:lol:

oooh just found out - i got SN# 000014 - cool beans and I know who got #1 - i bow to him - cant wait to see the new ride!!

[EFI69Cam]

How do you know what number you were? Tyler- I Gots To Know! what number was mine? i got no letter of authenticty , no serial number , no plack !
:ripped:




:lol:


I think someone should start a registry.:screwy:

[TitoJones]

Your Serial Number is stamped on the backside of the spindle, right above the bearing pack.
We have a registery of all the clients, with their numbers here at the shop.
The mystery man who has 000001 is a board member here. I'll let you guys figure it out. ;)

Tyler

[baz67]

I know, I know, but I will not say.

[Stupidnewbie]

Tyler, these spindles are in my plans for my car, but I'm wondering if I order them now without having been on the waiting list how long will the wait be? Also, I know SC&C is planning to sell a package deal with their A-arms (another part i plan to use), will they have their stock of these parts any time soon or would it be faster to order separately? Thanks!

Dan

[EFI69Cam]

Another factor to consider.

I have as I previously mentioned the unisteer RP. With the bumpsteer corrections in the ATS spindle the arm is down so low that the tie rod end is in line with the edge of the rim. In other words, if I had more backspace, it would hit. Right now with the rotor on there is 1/2" clearance.

[Marcus SC&C]

Dan,we`ll be able to get the spindles as soon as the pre-orders have been filled.

Anytime you start combining parts from different sources there are potential clearance and fit issues but we`ve found the ATS spindles pretty easy to work with in that regard. Our G-5 package requires fairly specific wheels,more so than the ATS spindles do but at the end of the day it`s well worth the effort. I suspect the ATS spindles will prove likewise. Mark SC&C