Barrett Jackson begins now!

[Bill Howell]

Not ten minutes into the coverage and a 56 resto mod being sold and discussed. Craig himself quoted as saying this is the next big thing. :seizure:

[Damn True]

Will Charlie get the bus?

If so will he outfit it with a brass pole and a VIP room?

Stay tuned.............

[trapin]

I think Charley has backed off the bus.

[Steve1968LS2]

Will Charlie get the bus?

If so will he outfit it with a brass pole and a VIP room?

Stay tuned.............

Is that the short bus? :doh:

What do you trailer home a bus with???

And hey.. the brass pole was my idea so I get the first dance!! :smoke:

[Bill Howell]

Please, I have seen you dance..... :lmao:
You would look silly dancing with a pole anyway..... :eek:

[dropit69]

is anyone there from the site?..anyone know if charlie still went?..i almost forgot it was on saved me from having to watch american idol with the gf..thanks..whewww

[Bill Howell]

Charley is already there. Mike is going tommorrow(vintage racer). I am sure Stuart and the other regulars that live close will be there sometime this week.
Damn, I wantta go. Priceline dot com, here I come.

[Van B]

I'm flying to PHX tomorrow night and will be at the auction Thursday. Who should I be looking for? I guess I only really know Charley and Jody's faces by sight, and now Bill's from the magazine coverage.

[dropit69]

if anyone liked the torino gt from march phr there is a convertible on ebay ending in 2 hours ..and its near bill thats scary..lol...make you feel like your at barrett-jackson item 4603969474

[Steve1968LS2]

You would look silly dancing with a pole anyway..... :eek:

How about with a Russian??

Ba dunp bump

[mpozzi]

We were scheduled to go but had to cancel reservations ($80/night no less) when Dave fell off a ladder last week and munged up his ankle. :injured: After review of said ankle a couple of days later, there's one spot that is a good color match for the blue hue he wants to paint his Camaro. It's the loud pedal ankle, too but I doubt if that will slow him down!!

Anyone see the 2nd gen Camaro ('71 Z28) that went for $32.5K?? They're getting pricey as well. Curious to see what the other 2nd gens go for.

I keep looking for Charlie but haven't spotted him yet . . .

[KrisHorton]

Bill, come on, you know you wanna go! I'm flying out Friday night and am going to be there when the Motion Camaro crosses the block. Anyone from PT.com and Lateral-G wanna meet up Friday night or sometime on Saturday? Give me a call!

Kris

[jack67rs]

Went to the show tonight!! Wow, orange 69 ss 396 went for almost 70,000. spoke with the owner of the black 69 camaro (killer stance), nice guy. Wished I knew some of you guys who are here for the show, but I think my wife would'nt be able to handle me talking pro-touring all night. My freinds blue 69 camaro sells on Thursday night, can't wait to see what all these camaro's fetch this year.

[Damn True]

Is that the short bus? :doh:

What do you trailer home a bus with???

And hey.. the brass pole was my idea so I get the first dance!! :smoke:


The idea of you gyrating around a brass pole.......ugh :barf:

[1970cuda]

heading out there shortly today will be fun.

[DeepBlue68]

Anyone know when the Baldwin Camaro will go on the block? I wanna see that one

[steemin]

Not ten minutes into the coverage and a 56 resto mod being sold and discussed. Craig himself quoted as saying this is the next big thing. :seizure:

Bill,
I was watching this last night as well.
The Speedchannel guys were caught off guard by how high this car went. They thought it was done at around 40k and it keep climbing :) It looked like a pretty nice car..
Kind of makes a guy feel warm and fuzzy having the inside track on this new genre of cars as well as being somewhat reassured that you have not totally lost your mind with the amount of money spent on these cars.
Scott

[Damn True]

I'll be interested to see what some of the vinatge race cars go for.

[Steve1968LS2]

The idea of you gyrating around a brass pole.......ugh :barf:

Why do I feel my thoughts were misconstrude... :doh:

[1970cuda]

running some time saturday

[dropit69]

deepblue according to kris its going after friday sometime ..hes gonna be there to see what kinda money he gets for signing the rendering..lol..(hold out for big bucks kris)

[vintageracer]

My plane leaves in an hour! I guess will miss all the "deals" that crossed the block last night and tonight hwoever I'll still have a great time.

Arizona to Tennessee is not THAT long a drive. If I buy something can we "Road Trip"!!!!

[kennyd]

1st time i have not been in 5 yrs , after spending 300 for a bidder pass , high priced food , higher priced hotels , fighting to get to your seat , and then having some dirtbag jumping your bid . i will stay home this year . you can see 10x more at home than you can see at the auction . but it is the most diverse car show you will ever go to .

[olds87]

I live near there. I going this week end.

[Bill Howell]

Bill,
I was watching this last night as well.
The Speedchannel guys were caught off guard by how high this car went. They thought it was done at around 40k and it keep climbing :) It looked like a pretty nice car..
Kind of makes a guy feel warm and fuzzy having the inside track on this new genre of cars as well as being somewhat reassured that you have not totally lost your mind with the amount of money spent on these cars.
Scott

I hear you Scott. I hope the prices really go thru the roof on all the protouring style cars, and I don't care what label they put on them, restomod, retromod,..... who cares what they call them. They can call mine that too, it it will bring the numbers.....
The good news is, our hobby is alive and well. The bad news is my timing always sucks. I invested 10K in the stock market in 01, four months later some idiots decided to fly planes into the Trade Center Towers. I think my 10K investment is still around 8K four years later.
Now, this month my car is in PHR, so look out, prices are fixing to take a dive.....Sorry. :lmao:

[96Z28SS]

wow

1969 Pontiac Trans Am item number 395 just went thru the auction $106,920 that includes the buyers premium.

[4MuscleMachines]

Being a rare car, that's still alot of dough to cough up!

[Bill Howell]

wow

1969 Pontiac Trans Am item number 395 just went thru the auction $106,920 that includes the buyers premium.

Where are you seeing this? Are you watching their website? Nothing here until 7pm. est.
Just curious.

[96Z28SS]

Where are you seeing this? Are you watching their website? Nothing here until 7pm. est.
Just curious.


Yeah the website has a live auction list.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/auctionresults/common/bj06results.asp

I keep 2 windows open the results and the auction list to see the pics of the car.

Item 365 I think was a bit over bid, its going to need fenders and both 1/4 to fix the fender flares he molded in.

[Bill Howell]

Yeah the website has a live auction list.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/auctionresults/common/bj06results.asp

I keep 2 windows open the results and the auction list to see the pics of the car.

Item 365 I think was a bit over bid, its going to need fenders and both 1/4 to fix the fender flares he molded in.
Thanks, now I am not just limited to the 33 hours of coverage on Speed. :seizure: :rolleyes: :pat: :lmao:
Most wives are football or baseball widows, poor Melinda is a Barrett Jackson widow.lol

[dropit69]

they just sold a gn for like 34k..damn ive seen 1 owner 10k mile cars around me go for 20k..guess i should jump on one..

[Bill Howell]

they just sold a gn for like 34k..damn ive seen 1 owner 10k mile cars around me go for 20k..guess i should jump on one..
Why would you want one, they did not come in convertible. :lmao:

[dropit69]

lol ya got me there bill ...i do have a thing for topless stuff...nutting a sawzall wont fix.. :doh:

[gen3bu]

we have a red 70 ls6 chevelle ss and a red 66 chevelle ss396 going. we just finished the frame off on the 66 a couple of weeks ago. my boss will be there with a few friends.

[1970cuda]

they just showed it on speed as a resto mod

[69rs]

Was that Stuart's car? They were showing it while talking about the "new, restomod movement".

[ProdigyCustoms]

Yes

[96Z28SS]

3rd gen 1LE camaro sold for $43k, yikes!! I need to buy me a couple of those on ebay right now and keep them.

#423 1964 Amphicar $124k, never seen one of those sell for so much.
I think so far its the most expensive car sold so far.

# 419.1 1967 Cheverolet Corvette 427/435 Conv.
2nd most expensive $121k

[1970cuda]

i have two pics of motion car i took about a hour ago but can't get them to upload can i email to someone to post also charlie's bus

[Bill Howell]

billybigblock at gmail dot com

[Blitz]

I guess I'll never see the appeal of a plain, factory (yawn) stock car. Although something makes my skin crawl about the way they say Restorod/Restomod...like it's a bad thing. Stock is like a steak that tastes like water.

[Bill Howell]

Although something makes my skin crawl about the way they say Restorod/Restomod...like it's a bad thing.

The talking heads may not understand it, but I bet money Craig Jackson does. He is building/growing this segment of the sport just like we are, just wait and see. We just gotta get them on the right page, name wise.

[1970cuda]

pics are on the way. i will be going out again tommorrow. if you guys want to see pics of any cars let me know and i will do my best to get more

[Bill Howell]

No problem, great pictures. The site must be in overload at the moment, I will load them in a bit.

[Blitz]

The talking heads may not understand it, but I bet money Craig Jackson does. He is building/growing this segment of the sport just like we are, just wait and see. We just gotta get them on the right page, name wise.
Yeah, I'll give that guy $50 if he says Pro-Touring from now on...and give an accurate description of it also.

[96Z28SS]

I can't beleive some of these prices.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=183909
just sold for $48,600



this car has been on ebay for the last 6 months and never got more than $20k it goes to BJ and it gets $32k. my GF dad has an original 86k mile one in the garage, may need to take it to BJ next year.
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=183909

wouldn't be my choise to spend $62k
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=182063

All the mopars are getting big money so are the 69 RS and SS camaro's not one under $50k

[Blitz]

Yeah, I couldn't believe MOST of those prices. A high profile place like that though, with plenty of people with plenty of money...I'm not all that suprised.

[Damn True]

Those who know the difference don't need some talking head on the Speed Channel to define "Pro-Touring" vs "Restomod" for them. If those guys get ahold of the word they will apply it to every car they see with shiny non-stock wheels.

[Blitz]

Those who know the difference don't need some talking head on the Speed Channel to define "Pro-Touring" vs "Restomod" for them. If those guys get ahold of the word they will apply it to every car they see with shiny non-stock wheels.
Oh, you mean like the EBAY definition? Add plus size wheels...BAM!! ProTouring!!:hmm:

[Steve1968LS2]

Those who know the difference don't need some talking head on the Speed Channel to define "Pro-Touring" vs "Restomod" for them. If those guys get ahold of the word they will apply it to every car they see with shiny non-stock wheels.

I can't wait to hear them talk about the Aluminator '69 Camaro.. :hand:

[69rs]

Everyone that goes to BJ needs to were their Pro-Touring.com T-shirt! That way we can pick 'em out on TV.

[Travis B]

I can't wait to hear them talk about the Aluminator '69 Camaro.. :hand:


it will probably be worse than you think.....original ZL-1 camaro not stock...what was this guy thinking etc etc etc etc

[Damn True]

Oh, you mean like the EBAY definition? Add plus size wheels...BAM!! ProTouring!!:hmm:



Exactly.

We don't need THAT kind of promotion of this genre.

[Rubes]

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=182849

They'll HAVE to say pro-touring for this one, cause its in the description!

[Ralph LoGrasso]

it will probably be worse than you think.....original ZL-1 camaro not stock...what was this guy thinking etc etc etc etc


I thought the car started off as a ZL-1 clone?

[1970cuda]

"recreation" is the term not clone
zl-1 recreation

[Travis B]

I thought the car started off as a ZL-1 clone?


I'm not sure ralph I thought I had heard somewhere that it was a Zl-1 car....but I'm not sure to be honest

[96Z28SS]

when it was restored it was made to be a ZL-1 clone, it even had a real aluminum 427. That Jody sold to offset the cost of the Arias 540 motor. Thats what I heard or read some where.

[1970cuda]

http://www.camcojb.com/zl1index/zl1.html

[BonzoHansen]

http://www.camcojb.com/zl1index/zl1.html
This combo made 485 rwhp and almost 600 rwtq and was fun to drive....But soon the "more power" bug hit ...

:hammer: I love that car.

I hate Cablevision...no Speedchannel.

[68BNUT]

I must be getting numb to all the high prices, I watched last night when they ran A 67 GTO across and it came in for under 40k and I told my wife what A steal!

[4MuscleMachines]

I must be getting numb to all the high prices, I watched last night when they ran A 67 GTO across and it came in for under 40k and I told my wife what A steal! I felt the same way. A few cars are even selling for less than they would on eBay and the quality of the restoration looks better than what you normally see.

[96Z28SS]

It must have something to do with the time of day.
I read 2 Grand National go for over $30k yesterday, then today read one go for $14k

1972 CHEVROLET CAMARO RS CUSTOM COUPE $59,400
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=183297

1971 DODGE CHALLENGER R/T COUPE $59,400
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=183091

1971 DODGE CHALLENGER COUPE $58,320
Claims to be protouring in the ad.
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=183097

[dropit69]

yeah guess some days are better than others ..those gn's got me puzzled..30k..love it when they keep saying 69 z/28 coupe not to get it confused with all the z/28 converts they made... :lmao: comon bill hurry up wanna see...lol

[Bill Howell]

Sorry guys, I have tried everything I know to do, Melinda has also. I can not download them to the site.
Freacking, ricking, @#$(*&%)@&$)#(%&)
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :smashcomp :smashcomp :smashcomp :throw: :throw: :throw: :throw: :throw:

[dropit69]

well im no help bill sorry..me and pics dont get along on here..lol

[ProdigyCustoms]

I seen Bob Johnson up the opening and closing the hood of the red 29 Hi Boy tonight. It looks like it was his.

[camcojb]

I'm not sure ralph I thought I had heard somewhere that it was a Zl-1 car....but I'm not sure to be honest

It definitely was not a real ZL-1; even I'm not that crazy!

Jody

[datsbad]

can someone tell me why the " aluminator" seems to be worth so much ? I dont get it . It really is something that anyone can build much cheaper right? no offense to anyone but I never understood what really makes this car so special ?

[camcojb]

can someone tell me why the " aluminator" seems to be worth so much ? I dont get it . It really is something that anyone can build much cheaper right? no offense to anyone but I never understood what really makes this car so special ?


How much can you build it for?

Just curious.

Jody

[Blown353]

How much can you build it for?

Just curious.

Jody

I could build it for $35K.

LMAO :lmao:

(inside joke)

[96Z28SS]

some new highs on day 3 of auction can't wait till the weekend

1966 SHELBY GT350 H FASTBACK $180,900
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=182377

1966 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE SS 396 2 DOOR HARDTOP $135k
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=181369

1958 PORSCHE 356 A CABRIOLET $135k
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=182129

[MarkM66]

How much can you build it for?

Just curious.

Jody

He cries when people state how much they like the "Mule" too. Not sure if it's Jealousy or what.

[Travis B]

It definitely was not a real ZL-1; even I'm not that crazy!

Jody

Sorry I guess I was half asleep when I read the article about it! :twothumbs

[Steve Chryssos]

Man! Do I have it bad for a black Challenger
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[ramz69ss]

just for sh*ts and giggles,, how much money was dumped in the "aluminator"

[datsbad]

He cries when people state how much they like the "Mule" too. Not sure if it's Jealousy or what.


yeah your right , sitting here sobbing away . :nopity:

I dont mean to offend anyone at all .

[camcojb]

yeah your right , sitting here sobbing away . :nopity:

I dont mean to offend anyone at all .

I am not offended for sure. But am really curious what you could duplicate the Aluminator for. I know what it would cost me to do it, already done it once! :smoke:

Jody

[speedster]

I am not offended for sure. But am really curious what you could duplicate the Aluminator for. I know what it would cost me to do it, already done it once! :smoke:

Jody

We need to hire Mythbusters to dispell some of the low end numbers that people think they could duplicate it for.

I know what it cost me to do my car which has similarities, but is in no way THAT caliber and I cry :crying: every month I get a bill !!

[Ralph LoGrasso]

Man! Do I have it bad for a black Challenger
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif


Help me convince Eric to paint his '70 black, I've been trying to get him to do it for a while. He wants to go yellow again. I'd love to own a black challenger, so I'll live vicariously through him, haha. Edit: you should probably get him to install some seatbelts too, :drive2:

[steemin]

I love the look of black big time!! :drool:
But after owning 2 different black cars (not Daily drivers) never again it is a constant battle that I am not willing to wage again..
Scott

[69rs]

Steve Magnante was describing a 67 Camaro and said it was a classic example of a Pro-Touring car. He went on to describe what P/T was and that the term was coined by Jeff Smith at Car Craft.

[69rs]

BTW-The 67 P/T Camaro went for $79,000.

[Steve1968LS2]

BTW-The 67 P/T Camaro went for $79,000.

Lot number???

[Steve Chryssos]

Help me convince Eric to paint his '70 black, I've been trying to get him to do it for a while. He wants to go yellow again. I'd love to own a black challenger, so I'll live vicariously through him, haha. Edit: you should probably get him to install some seatbelts too, :drive2:

Eric the wisenheimer? I like that guy. Yellow and no seatbelts/ Get me his address. I'll go down there and smack him upside his head. Twice. :slap:

[ProdigyCustoms]

Lot number???

It was that multi colored white and orange car with the billett Rally Sport grill

[DeepBlue68]

When does the Baldwin '69 go on? I know it's lot #1290, but was wondering if anyone knows when it'll be...?

[Ralph LoGrasso]

Eric the wisenheimer? I like that guy. Yellow and no seatbelts/ Get me his address. I'll go down there and smack him upside his head. Twice. :slap:

:lmao: Yup, that Eric. While you're there, tell him to get the car back on the road as well. He let it sit all this year since he bought an '03 Ram over the summer.

[69rs]

Lot number???


I didn't get it. :dunno: The car had a multi-color paint job.

[69rs]

Coming up, a Challenger vert P/T car with a Viper motor.

[MrQuick]

hey did you guys see Charley Lillard, he was egging on that guys to buy the green survivor 69 Z28. I wonder how much the future bus will go for???

[69rs]

Missed him. :sleeping:

[Bill Howell]

protouring mentioned again with the convert challenger with a viper engine, cheap though, 65K

[Larry Callahan]

You think they will drive the bus on stage? lol

[Bill Howell]

There is Jackass again, trying to get someone to buy the 48 Kahunna.

[96Z28SS]

1967 CHEVROLET CAMARO COUPE $85,320.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=183061

The GTO's are getting big money
1025.1 1970 PONTIAC GTO JUDGE CONVERTIBLE $199,800.00

1971 DODGE CHALLENGER VIPER POWERED CONVERTIBLE $70,200.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=183379

So far the most expensive car
1969 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z/28 COUPE $221,400.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=181365

[camcojb]

Aluminator just brought $148K.

Jody

[datsbad]

" ALUMINATOR" SOLD FOR 148,000 . Someone is crying!!! i wonder how it feels to loose $22,000 , and dont forget sellers fees. !!! WOW , you just never know do you ?

[Steve1968LS2]

Aluminator just brought $148K.

Jody

Yep and the seller lost about $11k off that.. plus transport. So he cleared around $137k .. I know he paid more for it than that.

The buyer paid around $160k.. about what the seller originally paid for it.

8% is a lot of $$$ when you get into the big buck cars..

[camcojb]

" ALUMINATOR" SOLD FOR 148,000 . Someone is crying!!! i wonder how it feels to loose $22,000 , and dont forget sellers fees. !!! WOW , you just never know do you ?

That's about what the buyer had in it, plus he got to enjoy it for a year. Part of the purchase of the car was a new car from his dealership, which his cost was much less than the retail value. He owns the dealership.

I know you don't like the car for some reason and seem real happy that he "lost" money, but he broke even minus the 8%. The seller was happy after the sale, figured that was about what it would go for.

Jody

[96Z28SS]

on the barrett jackson website price includes buyers fee.
1064 1969 CHEVROLET CAMARO RS/SS CUSTOM COUPE $159,840.00

I don't have speed channel, was Charlie Liilard bidding on it or anyone from the boards?

[datsbad]

jump back there big jody , i never said i did not like it . it was such a secret around here what he paid for it , the number 170 has been thrown around for some time.

I loved that car , but i dont why everyone put in these big numbers at Lateral-g on what they guessed it would bring.

personally i would love to have owned it , it was well built and clean as a pin . I just hope mine is that nice !

[96Z28SS]

It has seemed lately that Datsbad has had a chip on his shoulder about the Aluminator and the Mule.
It could be that he sells pro-touring style cars and hasn't had offers in the 6 figures for them.

Datsbad is building a really nice 1969 Camaro so lets see if it can bring in the big bucks like the Aluminator.

No disrepect intended.

[camcojb]

jump back there big jody , i never said i did not like it . it was such a secret around here what he paid for it , the number 170 has been thrown around for some time.

I loved that car , but i dont why everyone put in these big numbers at Lateral-g on what they guessed it would bring.

personally i would love to have owned it , it was well built and clean as a pin . I just hope mine is that nice !

But the $170 figure is wrong. Well it cost the guy about $160K to buy it. What can you build it for, you said you could build it for less but never gave me the figure you could do it for?

I'm happy that the cars like this are bringing good money, it's better for all of us if we ever have to sell.

Jody

[datsbad]

easy guys your beaten me up here , LOL !!!

If someone wants to give me 6 figures for FUEL , thats cool . but I am not going to be asking 6 figs for it . I know what i will have in it give or take a few bucks. If i can enjoy it , get some business and get my money back i am doing well . Nuf said !!

[4MuscleMachines]

Respectfully, I feel rather dissapointed at the prices the PT cars have been closing at. Only a few have sold at a price I thought was satisfactory, the rest have been dissapointing IMO. I hope its because the BJ venue is just not the crowd to be showing PT cars to. Hopefully that will change starting tomorrow.

[speedster]

I loved that car , but i dont why everyone put in these big numbers at Lateral-g on what they guessed it would bring.


I had a guess of 155K. Actual was 148K or 159.8K depending on how you look at it. That's not a "big" number, but a fair number for a heck of a car. Many of us are so very interested in this car since it represents a great benchmark for Pro-Touring. And since there are only so many numbers matching cars around, PT can pick up where they leave off.

Both you and Jody have fine cars in the works, this kind of public sale keeps their values flying. :twothumbs

[camcojb]

easy guys your beaten me up here , LOL !!!

If someone wants to give me 6 figures for FUEL , thats cool . but I am not going to be asking 6 figs for it . I know what i will have in it give or take a few bucks. If i can enjoy it , get some business and get my money back i am doing well . Nuf said !!


OK, since you won't answer me, I would be into 6 figures to duplicate the Aluminator. That's with me doing paint/body, wiring, engine assembly, tuning, minitub, suspension, brakes, and complete car assembly. Yes, I could do it for less than $148K, but how many people can do the complete build themselves? For a guy that cannot he could not have a pro builder (no I'm not a pro) build that car for $148K. Not even close. So although I agree it is a lot of money I see why it brought it.

Jody

[datsbad]

I had a guess of 155K. Actual was 148K or 159.8K depending on how you look at it. That's not a "big" number, but a fair number for a heck of a car. Many of us are so very interested in this car since it represents a great benchmark for Pro-Touring. And since there are only so many numbers matching cars around, PT can pick up where they leave off.

Both you and Jody have fine cars in the works, this kind of public sale keeps their values flying. :twothumbs


I agree , this is a good thing. its just the crazy inflated numbers people were guessing had me puzzled.

didnt jody sell his camaro?

[Bill Howell]

Respectfully, I feel rather dissapointed at the prices the PT cars have been closing at. Only a few have sold at a price I thought was satisfactory, the rest have been dissapointing IMO. I hope its because the BJ venue is just not the crowd to be showing PT cars to. Hopefully that will change starting tomorrow.
Remember this, It is only the second year that we have even heard the word restorod at BJ. This is the tip of the iceburg. Give things another year, and provided the market in general does not crash, we will be in good shape.
One other thing though. All 69 camaros were new at one time-1969. However, not all are nice anymore. Please do not fall into the trap that just because aluminator brought 148K that all 69 camaros are suddenly worth more money, cause it just aint true. I really appreciated the talking heads explain how two similar cars could be worth such a difference. Like houses in any town, Location, condition, age, schools and an array of other things determine value. Just because a car does a good number at BJ, do not think that automatically changes the value of cars sitting unfinished in a garage somewhere in small town USA.
Jackson always saves the best for Saturday, so tommorrow will be interesting to say the least, but do not read anything into what you see. BJ is a unique market, usually way ahead of the real world curve, and usually a poor judge of what cars are really worth.So many games are played, car values are hyped for one reason or another, schill bids, buyers fail to come thru even after bidding, and on and on.
That said, the aluminator did pretty good in my view, but it was a top notch car, best of everything and should have done good.

[Steve1968LS2]

But the $170 figure is wrong. Well it cost the guy about $160K to buy it. What can you build it for, you said you could build it for less but never gave me the figure you could do it for?

I'm happy that the cars like this are bringing good money, it's better for all of us if we ever have to sell.

Jody

I tried to relate that it was a "rumor".. actually I guessed $160k a while back (what I had heard) and Stuart hinted that it was a bit more than that..

If I had $150k laying around being bored I would have a that car right now :)

Now lets all try and play nice and remember how easy it is to misunderstand whats being said "on the interweb" :)

[Steve1968LS2]

That's about what the buyer had in it, plus he got to enjoy it for a year. Part of the purchase of the car was a new car from his dealership, which his cost was much less than the retail value. He owns the dealership.



Didn't Stuart sell it only 6-8 months ago?.. makes it seem the guy only bought it to turn it...

Sure looked damn good under them bright lights.. lots of sparkle.

I bet the car would have brought more on Saturday night, it's certainly nicer than the Unique Camaro..

[Steve Chryssos]

If a hot rod is nothing more than a sum of it's parts, then the hot rod builder didn't do a very good job. In this case, if the buyer is savvy, he knows that the Aluminator is a Detroit Speed and Engineering update. Anyone who thinks the DSE name doesn't carry any clout needs to take a ride down there and tour DSE the shop. Folks are hauling their cars to DSE from all over the country to get the "DSE Touch". SW from Texas. Scott Shafiroff from NY. Some folks are just calling them up and saying: "Hey, go find me a car and do it up. Call me when it's time to pick a color..."

Specs are important. Turn-key convenience is important. But a DSE car brings with it a reputation for quality, performance and reliability. It's no secret that the DSE Touch makes some peoples' nuts burn with envy. I see it all the time--and it cracks me up. But there an easy solution to that annoying burning sensation:
Step up!
To alleviate that envy, all any aspiring builder has to do is:
-Quit your day job. (Your wife quits hers as well)
-Buy a NASCAR Busch Cup caliber shop far away from home.
-Pack up and move your life. (Make some enemies in the process)
-Hire a team of 15 or more skilled craftsmen.
-Invest, design and manufacture a product line.
-Spend $4000 per month PER AD in magazines to market that product line.
-Haul ass to a bunch of major shows each year.
-Build magazine quality cars and round up the exposure.
-Do that a bunch of times over a 10 year period.
-Buy, read and actually understand Small Business Accounting for Dummies.
-Oh, and don't forget: You gotta sell your pride and joy Street Machine of the Year winner to make it all happen.

That's all anyone has to do to. Piece of cake. Do it in your sleep, right? Complete all of the above and then you too can have your customers' nothing special "used" cars go across the block for "too much money". :thankyou: Me? I got worn out just typing this post.

[B Cichocki]

In regard to DSE and the Alumin8r, I agree with everything Steevo has said. As far as the hang-up with what pro-touring type cars are bringing at Barrett-Jackson, I just don't get it. For starters, B-J is an anomaly for pricing. My dad was four "little birds" - a '55, a '56 and two '57s. They are world-class cars that have won every possible award from CTCI (the international Thunderbird club). Both 57's are dual-quad cars. These have been bringing $100k and up at B-J. If I put an add for one for that price in Hemmings, it would sit there for months.


In addition, unless something says Hemi on the hoodscoop, or COPO or Yenko on the window sticker, it's gonna be tough to get your money back out on a TOP SHELF concours resto, similar to an equivalent high end build by the likes of DSE. There was a '57 Caddy Biarritz convertible that went yesterday for $79k, with a supposed $80k restoration. The same thing goes for our type of cars. Traditionally, it has been damn near impossible to get your money back out of a modified car, much less make a profit. My Chevelle is getting ever closer to completion (it's only been about 6 years now :lmao: ), and we'll probably have close to, if not more than, $100k in the car. I have no intentions of selling it, but I feel that I would be hard-pressed to make a profit on the car unless I sent it out the door before I get a chance to beat on it. I built the car to my tastes, and chances of someone else having that exact same vision are probably pretty slim.


So what's the bottom line of these musings? I think it's incredibly shortsighted to view pro-touring cars as some type of monetary investment, unless of course they're built by a nationally recognized individual/organization that has some type of product recognition outside of the membership of this website or lat-g. My philosophy with hot rod stuff is to build what you like within your budget and enjoy it. If you want to make money, hunt around for an unknown Hemi or Shelby car, put some coin in it and throw it to the sharks.

-Brian

[vintageracer]

Guys, we're having lots of fun out here in Scottsdale. Some cars have gone high and others are BARGAIN'S! You saw a good representation of that Friday night. The 69Z brings $200K and the Cuda convertible with the V10 brings $65K. One through the roof and one bargain.

Hemi's are WAY down for the most part with several selling for 1/2 of CPI book on Saturday afternoon. Big cars (63-67) Impala's are Way Up! Street Rods are Way Down. Corvettes are all over the board with several 67 BB cars with questionable history selling for 1/2 of what was expected and others selling for market. Overall Corvettes are soft.

The two 69 COPO Chevelles were very nice restorations of cars with solid history. The yellow Malibu COPO was more rare and nicer than the green COPO. The 69Z that brought $200K was just as represented, an 11K mile car that was original and nothing particular special other than the miles and original condition. Nothing was restored. If you knew nothing about how these cars looked when new, you would think the car was average at best. The restored cross ram cars and others that sold earlier were nicer "apprearing" cars as far as condition. It just goes to show that "history/condition" can and will trump a nice/correct restoration all the time.

The "Kahuna" and the other street rod wagons were fabulous cars that were CHEAP last night. It just goes to show that there are are bargains at BJ if you go to buy with NO SPECIFIC CAR in mind to purchase. The craftsmanship and dollars spent to build these cars was enormous! It just goes to show how "trends" come and go. This WILL ALSO OCCUR with the high dollar/high tech Pro-Touring cars as newer and better cars hit the show/sale circuit. Yesterday's magazine car is today's bargain at the auction block so sell your new high tech car when it's fresh and on the magazine cover!!!!! HINT HINT

What you do not see on TV are all the other average guy cars for sale. 81 NASCAR Turbo Trans Am, 87 Grand Nationals, VW's, very few Porsche's, Mustangs and some really wierd stuff. The vendor area under the tent is fabulous with all sorts of stuff for those with lot's of money and a big ego. Harry Winston will sell you diamonds, $10K original car lot neon signs, high dollar garage cabinets/floors/toys, furniture, celebrity signed memorabilia, art/prints, neon signs, steel cactus art for your house, real estate agents with car collector homes for sale, Featherlite NASCAR trailers, Toter homes, wheels/tires, and there are also a few cars for sale!!!!!!

The food from the vendors is actually pretty good. The FREE beer, wine, liquor we have been sucking down all week is VERY GOOD!!!

I spent all day yesterday riding around the valley looking at cars for sale in the paper. We have made offers on 5 cars so we will see what happens. There are a few more to look at this morning then it's off to experience more of the finer excess's that life has to offer.

We are having a ball and hope to see all of you at Atlanta!

[96Z28SS]

Highest bid so far on Saturday morning

1232.1 1968 DODGE HEMI DART 2 DOOR HARDTOP $324,000.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=181737


Only a few more till Baldwin motion car

[vanzuuk1]

They just said the motion car was a chip foose design, I guess they had their camaros confused.

[96Z28SS]

WOW!!!!!!
It may take a while to beat this high bid

1259.1 2007 SHELBY GT500 FASTBACK $648,000.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=183765

[Bill Howell]

WOW!!!!!!
It may take a while to beat this high bid

1259.1 2007 SHELBY GT500 FASTBACK $648,000.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=183765
I doubt it will take long today.
BTW, that 600K plus commission bid was not for the car, it was for the privilige to be the first person to buy a publicly sold 07 Shelby GT500 Fastback, you still have to pay for the car..... :screwy: :rolleyes:

[Bill Howell]

Holy crap...
68 charger, with new style hemi, labeled a Protouring car. 130K

[MarkM66]

It has seemed lately that Datsbad has had a chip on his shoulder about the Aluminator and the Mule.
It could be that he sells pro-touring style cars and hasn't had offers in the 6 figures for them.

Datsbad is building a really nice 1969 Camaro so lets see if it can bring in the big bucks like the Aluminator.

No disrepect intended.

Exactly! Is he asking why do these cars get so much attention and dollars, or why don't mine?! :dunno:

[96Z28SS]

Holy crap...
68 charger, with new style hemi, labeled a Protouring car. 130K

Here is the pic.
its not listed on the auction results page yet.
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=181503

[Bill Howell]

Thanks Robert :headbang:

[JoshStratton]

Anyone catch the 70 Chevelle that went for $1,150,000. I dont mean to offend the Chevy guys, but WTF?

[Bill Howell]

OH yeah, watched Charley bidding on it too. He stopped about half way thru.
Un freakin believable!

[[email protected]]

Holy smokes did they work the Motion

[Bill Howell]

says Lisa, but I am betting Frank....lol
450K after ten minutes.

[JoshC]

Did a phone bid win the motion?

[ProdigyCustoms]

Well, we may have just witnessed the death of a project. If you can't break the bank with number 1 at BJ during Prime Time, I would think it will be hard to sell the other 11 for $427K. I wish them all the luck in the world. No one wants to see $400K Camaros selling more then me, but it does not look good.

[Ralph LoGrasso]

WOW!!!!!!
It may take a while to beat this high bid

1259.1 2007 SHELBY GT500 FASTBACK $648,000.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=183765

WOW is right, that's insane!

[ProdigyCustoms]

No, that was Lisa. She loves this stuff too. She is on her computor. She is watching and yelling across the house back and forth.

[jamesg602]

I am very surprised it didn't go for more. After it hit 400k the bids were only increasing by 5 -10k increments :dunno:, I thought that was a little dissapointing after the first couple bids for 100k each...

[Van B]

What did the Motion car end up at?

Am sitting here in Phoenix airport waiting to fly out.

[Larry Callahan]

I thought for sure the first Bawldwin car would top 1 million. Gonna be very hard to sell those near 500k

[Bill Howell]

450K Jeff

[Larry Callahan]

Bring on the bus!

[Bill Howell]

We should just all go to chat...lol

[Jim Nilsen]

At least it wasn't an embarassment to the 427k asking price online for them. If it hadn't gone for more I would have seen big trouble with the investors and the banker but the I told you so way of proving what it could sell for should keep it alive at the 427k online asking price. With more to build we will see if they have to bring the rest to BJ to blow them out, no pun intended. LOL

Jim Nilsen

[Van B]

Anything on the bus or the Foose car yet?

Also wondering about the brown 2005 Mustang race car. A friend of mine was trying to buy the blue one today but came up a little short. He was going to try for the brown one tonight.

[Bill Howell]

The bus is coming up soon, but nothing yet.
Nothing on the Foose car and have not seen a brown race car ford.

[Ralph LoGrasso]

What are most of the regular LS6 Chevelle's going for? Coupes. I saw a yellow one go through on Thursday for what I think was $125k. I haven't been watching much though, so I may be wrong. Are they all up around that range?

[Bill Howell]

The one that brought so much was the one that Ray Allen drag raced in 70 and never lost a race in it. He was also involved in the restoration of it. Very documented car and perfect. Value was in the history of it.

Others were in the 100K to 200K range Ralph.

[Bill Howell]

Foose Camaro brings 240K

[Ralph LoGrasso]

The one that brought so much was the one that Ray Allen drag raced in 70 and never lost a race in it. He was also involved in the restoration of it. Very documented car and perfect. Value was in the history of it.

Others were in the 100K to 200K range Ralph.


Okay cool, thanks. My pops was offered a black numbers LS6 'velle back in the early 80s (free) and didn't take it due to time/space. It needed resto, but wasn't bad. I always like to joke around with him about what they're worth these days.

[andrewb70]

Anyone wanna buy a cool 70 GTO?...cheap...by those prices...

Andrew

[69rs]

Here's Charley's Bus!

[Bill Howell]

OK, bus time. And the price is..........4,100,000

[Van B]

$4.1 mil?

Malitude doesn't even put a dent in that.

[brianj5600]

And he was hoping for 600k.

[brianj5600]

Back to the Chevelle. How many LS6 convertibles were made?

[Steve1968LS2]

And he was hoping for 600k.

Betcha he was a happy guy :)

[Jim Nilsen]

Do you think maybe the guy that sold it will buy Charlie a drink and everyone else that bid on it so they won't feel bad?

Jim Nilsen

[96Z28SS]

although not $4 mil here are some honorable mentions.

1970 PLYMOUTH BARRACUDA CUSTOM CONVERTIBLE 'SIX SHOOTER' $183,600.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=181501

1968 FORD MUSTANG 428 CJ FASTBACK $513,000.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=181399

1970 PLYMOUTH HEMI 'CUDA 2 DOOR HARDTOP $486,000.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=181405

1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE LS6 CONVERTIBLE $1,242,000.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=182341

1969 CHEVROLET CAMARO SS COUPE BALDWIN MOTION
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=182807

1966 SHELBY COBRA ROADSTER $594,000.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=181363

thats all thats list so far on the website

[ProdigyCustoms]

Back to the Chevelle. How many LS6 convertibles were made?

It is rumored and publicly accepoted by many to be around 18 LS6 convertibles, however, when I was in the LS6 business, I had more then 18 offered to me to buy over the years. Chevrolet claims to have never kept firm production records on Chevelles, Camaros, etc. Back in the early 90s, when i was with Camaro Club, I personally was in the bowels of Chevrolet looking for accounting records, or any other type of record. Nothing was there. It has also been rumored Chevrolet has made sure these records are gone to elimnate the possibility of being expert witnesses in multiple lawsuits for all the bogus fakes that would be found out.

[speedster]

4.1 million...
So who's gonna tackle the first PT bus project.
Any takers ?

[brianj5600]

I thought the # was in the teens. One later went for about half what the car with history sold for.

[Bill Howell]

This WILL ALSO OCCUR with the high dollar/high tech Pro-Touring cars as newer and better cars hit the show/sale circuit. Yesterday's magazine car is today's bargain at the auction block so sell your new high tech car when it's fresh and on the magazine cover!!!!! HINT HINT



:offtopic:
uhhhmmmmm you talking to me? :dunno:
Palm Beach????? Maybe????? :secret:

[96Z28SS]

okay here is the latest high dollar cars .

1299.1 1956 MERCEDES BENZ 300 SL GULLWING COUPE $621,000.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=183907

Foose Camaro
1300 1969 CHEVROLET CAMARO CUSTOM COUPE $259,200.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=182369

1302 1965 SHELBY GT350 SR FORD CUSTOM FASTBACK $307,800.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=182371

1304 1954 PONTIAC BONNEVILLE SPECIAL MOTORAMA CONCEPT CAR $3,024,000.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=183033

1306 1952 CHRYSLER D'ELEGANCE 2 DOOR HARDTOP $1,188,000.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=181395

1309 1970 PLYMOUTH HEMI 'CUDA 2 DOOR CONV $2,160,000.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=183447

(I hate to even think that there is a 53 just sitting in a parking garage in New York covered in dust)
1311 1953 CHEVROLET CORVETTE "#003" CONV $1,080,000.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=182903

Ian Zering's Foose Overhaulin Camaro
1341 1968 CHEVROLET CAMARO CUSTOM ROADSTER (NO -TOP) $72,360.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=182715

Another pro-touring car
1350 1970 DODGE CHALLENGER CUSTOM 2 DOOR HARDTOP $86,400.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=183811

1307 1950 GENERAL MOTORS FUTURLINER PARADE OF PROGRESS TOUR BUS $4,320,000.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=182937

Surprised this didn't sell for more.
1322 1969 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z-L1 COUPE $486,000.00
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=182909

[protour_chevelle]

Didn't a 70 Chevelle SS LS6 very go for 1.3 mill?

-Matt

[vanzuuk1]

What happened to last years big spender, the guy in the ferrari costume? He seemed neutered this year, I didnt see him buy anything.

[Hartz]

I am stunned the Banshee concept didn't go for more. I thought that was the bargin of the day, relatively speaking.

[Itsadryhot]

John S. Hendricks owner of the F88, Discovery Channel, and Gateway Colorado Auto Museum - may have broken Alan Lewenthal's arm so he couldnt bid - lol. This link charactorizes Alan as a punk rocker in a mosh pit.
http://speedtv.com/articles/automotiveconsumer/automotive/21457/

[DarkBuddha]

4.1 MILLION??? For a bus? A sweet bus, but for a bus? That's it... I officially say "sigh" to the B-J crowd! They can have 'em... $1.3mil for a Chevelle... $350K for a Mustang fastback... Someone lend me $30k and I'll build the mother of all Fiats and sell it for $400k! ...sigh...

[Mean 69]

You want to talk about a racket? See the prices listed on the site, relative to the winning bid? All 8% higher. Why? BJ commission, 8%, but get this, it is my understanding that they get 8% FROM BOTH ENDS, buyer AND seller!!!! Wow! No wonder Craig Jackson is always smiling!

I spent Friday at the show, and yesterday morning at the Russo and Steele show down the street a bit. I can tell you, the quality of the cars at Russo/Steele was WAY better than the quality of the cars at BJ. Might not have had the really important cars like the prototypes, etc, but there was an unrealy amount of incredible cars, the best car showing I have ever seen, period.

I cannot believe Bobby Allison's HEMI winged stock car went for only $600k, I was shocked. That car was super cool, relative to the others, that buyer got a great deal.
M

[protour_chevelle]

If you look on BJ's site.... Theres actually quite a few very nice starter cars... I saw a 71 Chevelle, pics showed it to be a straight rust free car. Went for 8500. For a straight rust free body, thats perfect. After all, our crowd could careless whats under the hood or inside the car.

-Matt

[71FirebirdLS1]

I have a question... alot of these high dollar cars get trailered to the show, but how would that bus get trailered? hahaha. There's no way... they had to have driven it there and hope the new owner knows how to drive a bus!

[Bill Howell]

Landoll rollback trailers, no problem at all. Load and haul. Of course, not enclosed, but who would want to hid a 4M vehicle anyway.

[lftnwhls]

Who was the guy in the white Tshirt that was buying everything and what does he do for a living? Bill Gates Brother???????

[ProdigyCustoms]

I am a little surprised Ian's Overhaulin car only did $65K. I hate the fact it does not have a top, but I think I could add one. Got wonder what they expected from that car. Maybe it is showing signs of being bondo from one end to the other and painted the same day?

[J2speedandcustom]

I am a little surprised Ian's Overhaulin car only did $65K. I hate the fact it does not have a top, but I think I could add one. Got wonder what they expected from that car. Maybe it is showing signs of being bondo from one end to the other and painted the same day?

Frank it's a 20 footer. Quite a feat they did in 7 days! But the quality is not there. Alot of really nice Camaro's at Barretts this year. :woot:

[USAZR1]

Only $1M for the first Corvette ever sold to the public? Sounds like a bargain to me.
Supposedly,#001 and #002 were destroyed in a transporter accident and never sold.

[Mean 69]

Frank it's a 20 footer. Quite a feat they did in 7 days! But the quality is not there.

Did you catch Chip's comment when they were selling the Camaro? He said "this isn't an Overhaulin' car, this car has top quality throughout." Shot himself in the foot I guess, but at least he is honest!

BTW, it was better than the Baldwin car....
M

[Steve68]

Someone PLEASE post a pic of the bus!!!

[Modmach1]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=182937

[Bob Johnson]

Did you catch Chip's comment when they were selling the Camaro? He said "this isn't an Overhaulin' car, this car has top quality throughout." Shot himself in the foot I guess, but at least he is honest!

BTW, it was better than the Baldwin car....
M
did anyone look to see if Foose had his fingers crossed when he made that comment

[Charley Lillard]

Ian's Overhaulin car also went across the block about the trird from the last car of the night. Everyone had gone home and Ian was out in the staging lane dusting his car off. You know your star has fallen when your auction slot is when everyone has gone home.

[Bob Johnson]

did anyone look to see if Foose had his fingers crossed when he made that comment
were you saying the overhaulin car was better or the Foose/Unique Camaro was better than the Motion car? That's a low blow in either case..ouch!!