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Hey y'all I know there has been some controversy with AME going away from the C6/C7 control arms. I've talked to several guys who were saving up for the conversion sitting on Vette control arms that were disappointed to find out they could no longer order a bare frame designed to work with their C6/C7 CA's. If full disclosure I'm a dealer for AME and have helped out several guys here. I'd like to get a roll call of potential buyers who would be interested in the old style bare frame that accepts the C6/C7 CA's. I'm working on a campaign with AME to possibly produce a limited run of previous style C6/C7 bare frames for guys that specifically want this option over their new fabricated control arms.
You're welcome to call or text me for more info. This isn't a for sure deal at this point but it's looking possible with the current hiccup in the economy. This also isn't a For sale add. I'm trying to compile interest and data to pass on to my contact at AME. More details will follow once we can get a head count of 10 or more interested.
Raise your hand now or forever hold your peace.
Cheers,
Corey Condit
714-658-6291
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jamminj007
05-03-2020, 02:52 PM
Hey y'all I know there has been some controversy with AME going away from the C6/C7 control arms. I've talked to several guys who were saving up for the conversion sitting on Vette control arms that were disappointed to find out they could no longer order a bare frame designed to work with their C6/C7 CA's. If full disclosure I'm a dealer for AME and have helped out several guys here. I'd like to get a roll call of potential buyers who would be interested in the old style bare frame that accepts the C6/C7 CA's. I'm working on a campaign with AME to possibly produce a limited run of previous style C6/C7 bare frames for guys that specifically want this option over their new fabricated control arms.
You're welcome to call or text me for more info. This isn't a for sure deal at this point but it's looking possible with the current hiccup in the economy. This also isn't a For sale add. I'm trying to compile interest and data to pass on to my contact at AME. More details will follow once we can get a head count of 10 or more interested.
Raise your hand now or forever hold your peace.
Cheers,
Corey Condit
714-658-6291
175377
I would be interested.
Thanks for all who have contacted me so far. Please continue to raise your hand if you're interested. We do need more....
I'm also working with a supplier who has a modified upright steering arm combo that will optimize the AME frame so all you'll need is C6/7 control arms. This is coming from a well known and trusted suspension designer and manufacturer. PM me if you would like more details...
Cheers!!
nova69
07-31-2020, 04:19 PM
Wish i would have seen this earlier. i end up get the new style arms. But wanted the C6/C7 setup... well if any one needs a brand new compete set of uppers and lowers hit me up..178215178215
C Presley
07-31-2020, 05:00 PM
I'm still interested in a Gen2 subframe for my 70 Camaro.
Keep updating!! We have 4 interested so far....we need more
Truckie707
08-12-2020, 04:13 PM
possibly interested. do you have a rough idea of price?
dhutton
08-12-2020, 04:39 PM
I’m curious if there is a performance or ride quality difference or is it just a preference? My AME subframe has the C6 arms and I love the ride.
Don
possibly interested. do you have a rough idea of price?
Approximately what you see a bare frame going for now. $3800 ish.
I’m curious if there is a performance or ride quality difference or is it just a preference? My AME subframe has the C6 arms and I love the ride.
Don
There is a preference to using the GM parts, It allows a builder to assemble those parts for much cheaper & assemble items like drop spindles and suspension improvements like the new Lateral Dynamics uprights & steering arms to their build without buying parts twice.
Mark@lateral-dynamics
08-16-2020, 05:10 PM
Thanks for the 'nod Cdog!
Corey and I have been in discussions about the older gen AME front subframe, which uses the C5/6 Upper and Lower control arms. In my opinion, it's the best performance orientated front subframe (currently) offered on the market, and as Corey states, isn't "actually" available on the market. AME for their own reasons went with a different control arm configuration for the latest configuration suspension. And yes, as Corey also states, the Lateral-D Competitor Spindles offer an improvement to the original (and current?) AME geometry by relocating the hub assembly ~1" lower than the factory C5/6 spindle (ie. "dropped spindles"). "Dropped" spindles, especially for these types of applications, can really improve the overall performance potential of the front suspension.
One of our customers here in So Cal is running the older AME front frame, with Lateral-D spindles, as well as some other small but important changes to the rack location, custom L-D LCA's, and overall setup is getting pretty seriously fast, as well as reporting FAR better driver feedback than the original build setup. The car is no joke, it originally ran a brand "D" front front and rear suspension, both have since been replaced and the results have been incredible. Can't take any credit for the rear setup (although, in mere days, we have a solution for that!!!) but the car is blistering fast and only getting better.
I think a better question is, who wants the best performance front subframe setup on the market, and what would that entail? Timeframe? $$$? Serious customers, please.....
Mark
chicane67
08-24-2020, 03:31 PM
My hat is in the ring for this. Let me know.
dhutton
08-24-2020, 04:19 PM
My hat is in the ring for this. Let me know.
Wow, holy blast from the past Batman.... :)
Don
chicane67
09-03-2020, 04:13 PM
Wow, holy blast from the past Batman.... :)
Shuuush ! I'm not dead yet.
cwylie
09-10-2020, 06:58 PM
What width wheel and what backspace works on this setup?
ErikLS2
09-11-2020, 09:14 PM
I'm just about sold on the L-D rear so I'd seriously be interested if these were made. How wide of a tire can they handle?
Mark@lateral-dynamics
09-12-2020, 08:00 AM
It isn't much of a stretch at all to put a 10" wide wheel and a 275 tire up front from my experience - at least on a 69 Camaro. You can go deeper but will lose a bit of steering radius, which I feel is a fine trade-off. Also, plan on modifying (slightly) the inner fenderwell on the outer side if you are using OEM style pieces, it's simple but the first area to rub when you drop the car down to today's typical low ride heights.
cwylie
09-14-2020, 01:31 PM
Any idea of backspace? Just curious if my current setup is close.
Mark@lateral-dynamics
09-15-2020, 08:09 AM
With the C6 based AME on our car, 275 RA1's, the backspacing was 7". You should always use a setup gauge to make sure you have it spot on before ordering wheels, but for reference, that's what we used.
I finally got the greenlight on this project guys I’ll be contacting each one of you individually here over the next couple days with details.
Any of you are welcome to call or text me at 714-658-6291
C Presley
10-02-2020, 05:59 PM
I'm ready for my Gen2 Subframe. When do you want the deposit?
For those of you looking at this thread like a creeper, on the fence salivating I do suggest you make your move. I have negotiated a way better than msrp on both the AME frame and Lateral Dynamics uprights for those going in on this package. These are 1 inch drop uprights. Modular. Correct bumpsteer, roll center and steering geometry. Engineered in a way that allows customization and improvements if need be. Here's a couple of pics to wet your appetite.
https://www.lateral-dynamics.com/products/competitor-series-modular-spindles-c6-corvette-front-and-rear
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Mark@lateral-dynamics
10-06-2020, 06:45 AM
Just to reiterate what Corey stated, this is a rare opportunity that will probably never happen again. Corey and I have been communicating literally since the beginning of the year and I see first hand how much effort he put into making this happen. Yes, our side stands to benefit from this as well so we also have a vested interest, but this currently the very best option for a full front system on the market - performance, value, ease of maintenance, strength, darned attractive - it is a winning combination that will literally transform your project. The quality of the AME stuff is, and always has been world class.
Time to jump in folks.
Snowcatter
10-06-2020, 07:16 AM
Really wish this had happened last year...I would much rather have had the Corvette control arms on my build. Bummer :(
3 of the 5 needed are spoken for. Step on up for the group buy fellas!
cwylie
10-07-2020, 05:46 PM
How much for a bare sf?
How much for a bare sf?
PM inbound.
please add me to this list i want one asap for a 1970 camaro project
ErikLS2
12-15-2020, 07:39 PM
I sent you contact info for pricing
Hey fellas 2020 has been no picnic or short of heartaches and surprises. Some of the interested parties went quiet on me around and post election time and have now reappeared to move this deal forward. As you can imagine organizing several people to put this together is a bit like herding cats. I'm doing the best I can to assemble this PT group buy and need a minimum of 5 ready to order and willing buyers to do this deal. We are either there or real close.
I'm available to answer any questions and have made myself available via email, text and phone. Please visit Art Morrisons website and get familiar with the "add ons" you can include with your order and have a good idea what you would like to include in the order. As we narrow down your order and add ons, pricing will be done via email so it is documented properly.
This PT group buy is for 1st Gen Camaro/Firebird/Nova compatible frames only. AME won't do a Gen2 frame with the C6 control arms YET. If this this turns out well it may be a possibility in the future.
You are left to source your own C6 hubs, UCA and LCA's. You should be able to find these readily available online for around $500.
Add ons to consider are:
C6 Knuckle kit with steering arms OR Lateral Dynamics 1 inch drop Upright/Knuckle kit with steering arm
Steering rack
Sway bar
Prefab brake lines
Shocks & springs
Hardware kit
Tie rod ends
Trans mount
Rack Fittings
Steering U joint
Body Mount kit
Engine mounts
Stainless Headers
Please text or email me ASAP so we can renew our roll call to move forward.
Thank you,
Corey
Tobin
01-14-2021, 02:30 PM
PM sent... Thanks!
I'm getting some interest in firing up this group buy again. If you're serious about doing this frame deal text me to discuss. Do NOT PM me here. I don't check it very often. Last time I had to shelf the idea after 2 buyers of the 5 frames needed to fill the order with AM ghosted me and one guy went a different direction.
So this deal never worked out but I did get a call from one of the shop AME guys that has a 70-81 frame that takes the C5/C6 control arms in storage that he personally wants to sell. Call or text me and I'll pass on his phone number so you can buy directly from him. I believe it's a bare frame.
Corey 714-Six58-Six291
piratebaseball
09-10-2023, 03:57 PM
Anybody with a 67 bare frame that wants to sale? I'd love to be able to run c6 control arms on the camaro?
dhutton
09-10-2023, 04:01 PM
Anybody with a 67 bare frame that wants to sale? I'd love to be able to run c6 control arms on the camaro?
You will need the custom machined spindles and custom steering arms too afaik.
Don
You will need the custom machined spindles and custom steering arms too afaik.
Don
The uprights are stock with the arms cut off and a relief machined for the steering arm to fit flush. I have a set with the correct steering arms if you know anyone looking.
It's a bummer I never got enough guys to step up. With the change of leadership at AME we have the biggest opportunity to do this but couldn't get enough people to commit.
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