Big Brake Kit Options for track & street usage

[HyperRevNova]

Looking for real life feedback from what kits have proven to work good. Looking to Track the car quite a bit and some street usage. Car will be running 18" wheels and am looking for a 6p/4p setup. AP Racing is top of the line but I've never actually ran any of these besides a Wildwood kit. I've heard good/bad things about each kit. Thoughts? Thanks for the help

looking at the following kits:

*AP Racing

*Brembo

*Stoptech

*Baer

*Wilwood

[Shawn0331]

Following. I have the 14" Aero 6 caliper setup on my Javelin. The thing has not moved under its own power yet so no feedback other than everything mounted up How it should. I Would love a set of stoptechs or AP's. Just hard to beat the price of Wilwood. If its worth anything the wilwood aero 6 package for a mustang spindle is recessed back quite a ways so i had a ton of wheel clearance with my 18" wheels. so much so I find it hard to believe that there is a wheel face that would rub with that setup.

[HyperRevNova]

Thanks for the info

[c4racer2]

you may also want to look at the Kore3 stuff adapting late model Corvette brakes. But really depends if you are running power boost or manual. The PA for the late model vette brakes is not really adequate for good clamping force generally - unless you use a very small master cylinder bore size like 5/8" or so.

I am going with a full Stop-Tech set-up from Ron Sutton after a pretty exhaustive search of options for track worthy brakes that would work well as a manual set-up on the street as well.

Some things to consider - the C6 and Wildwood calipers require a pretty generous clearance on an 18" wheel - so do all the research with what you plan to run in terms of caliper overhang, wheel bs etc.

I wasn't very impressed with the hubs that Wildwood uses in their kits. Also - I don't like their generic kits with the narrow superlite calipers anyway - those calipers are not very good - they have a lot of flex and the PA is too small for manual brakes, and they all come with 1.1" rotors which is marginal at best for track use. The Aero6 calipers with 1.25" rotors is what you want - but they don't make a kit like that for early chevy cars. The best way to do that is use the Kore3 hubs and C6 bracket and then run the Wildwood race kit with Aero6 calipers for the C6. They probably make a kit for the RideTech spindles with Aero6 but make sure it uses 1.25" rotors.

But that set-up requires some pretty open wheels, so that may be a challenge - depends what you want to run. Full custom wheels like Forgeline would work - you send them your template and they build to suit. But off the shelf stuff you have to do your research.

Stop Tech solves a lot of those problems. The caliper overhang is about 3/4" less than the Wildwood C6 brakes for example.

I would suggest giving Ron Sutton a shout, and also Tobin at Kore3. Between those two guys you should be able to come up with what you need.

[CSG]

I'm not sure I would be brave enough to buy anything from Sutton right now. Use a Visa if so you can do a charge back. Didn't Speedtech take over his StopTech stuff?

[c4racer2]

I think he is trying to rebuild his business and I’m willing to give him a shot. Plus - I’m only a 90 min drive away so worse case I can pay him a visit in person.

[Schwartz Performance]

We use Wilwood & Baer on all of our builds. Personally, I like the Baer systems more since the parts are basically preassembled in the box.. :) - But on the performance side of things, Baer 6P uses a C5/6 pad so there's a lot of options. Wilwood has a good amount of options but not as much as a Corvette would.
We use the Baer 14" 6P at all 4 corners on our Tempest and it works awesome, along with manual brakes.
I have customers using Wilwood as well on autocross and it works good. Their 6 piston calipers are physically smaller than Baer.

If you would like a quote on Wilwood or Baer i'd be happy to put something together; we have been a direct dealer with both companies for 10+ years now.

-Dale

[HyperRevNova]

you may also want to look at the Kore3 stuff adapting late model Corvette brakes. But really depends if you are running power boost or manual. The PA for the late model vette brakes is not really adequate for good clamping force generally - unless you use a very small master cylinder bore size like 5/8" or so.

I am going with a full Stop-Tech set-up from Ron Sutton after a pretty exhaustive search of options for track worthy brakes that would work well as a manual set-up on the street as well.

Some things to consider - the C6 and Wildwood calipers require a pretty generous clearance on an 18" wheel - so do all the research with what you plan to run in terms of caliper overhang, wheel bs etc.

I wasn't very impressed with the hubs that Wildwood uses in their kits. Also - I don't like their generic kits with the narrow superlite calipers anyway - those calipers are not very good - they have a lot of flex and the PA is too small for manual brakes, and they all come with 1.1" rotors which is marginal at best for track use. The Aero6 calipers with 1.25" rotors is what you want - but they don't make a kit like that for early chevy cars. The best way to do that is use the Kore3 hubs and C6 bracket and then run the Wildwood race kit with Aero6 calipers for the C6. They probably make a kit for the RideTech spindles with Aero6 but make sure it uses 1.25" rotors.

But that set-up requires some pretty open wheels, so that may be a challenge - depends what you want to run. Full custom wheels like Forgeline would work - you send them your template and they build to suit. But off the shelf stuff you have to do your research.

Stop Tech solves a lot of those problems. The caliper overhang is about 3/4" less than the Wildwood C6 brakes for example.

I would suggest giving Ron Sutton a shout, and also Tobin at Kore3. Between those two guys you should be able to come up with what you need.


I want to run a full manual system, I took a look at running the C6 Z06 stuff but think in the long run I'd be better off just purchasing an aftermarket kit. I've currently got a set of AFX speed-tech C6 Hub based spindles also.

I've heard good stuff about the StopTech's but have never ran a set. I do like that the Baer kit's allow an OEM Vette pad and they offer a full Mono block caliper unlike the StopTech's 2 piece design.

Anyone have any problems with the StopTech Calipers 2 piece design?

And Has anyone really ran the AP Setup? This was a kit I was interested in but very high priced and am thinking "Is it really worth the extra $$"

thanks!!

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I'm not sure I would be brave enough to buy anything from Sutton right now. Use a Visa if so you can do a charge back. Didn't Speedtech take over his StopTech stuff?


I Heard they took over all the Muscle Car stuff yes. I would just contact Blake or Jay if going that route.

[HyperRevNova]

We use Wilwood & Baer on all of our builds. Personally, I like the Baer systems more since the parts are basically preassembled in the box.. :) - But on the performance side of things, Baer 6P uses a C5/6 pad so there's a lot of options. Wilwood has a good amount of options but not as much as a Corvette would.
We use the Baer 14" 6P at all 4 corners on our Tempest and it works awesome, along with manual brakes.
I have customers using Wilwood as well on autocross and it works good. Their 6 piston calipers are physically smaller than Baer.

If you would like a quote on Wilwood or Baer i'd be happy to put something together; we have been a direct dealer with both companies for 10+ years now.

-Dale


I've heard good things about the BAER kits but have seen some guys switch from them to StopTech's kit...I wondered why they would make a change being Baer has a nice Mono block caliper setup and they can accept OEM style pads. What's everyone's experience with the Baer 6R caliper? Thanks for the help and input everyone!!

[Schwartz Performance]

I've heard good things about the BAER kits but have seen some guys switch from them to StopTech's kit...I wondered why they would make a change being Baer has a nice Mono block caliper setup and they can accept OEM style pads. What's everyone's experience with the Baer 6R caliper? Thanks for the help and input everyone!!

The 6P is a 2 piece billet, 6S/XTR are 1pc forged.

The Baer monoblocks are awesome..
The 6R is no longer, replaced by the XTR. It has a bolt-on bridge to make pad swaps pretty quick, if you're into that. It's also as light & strong as they could make it using FEA analysis. Pretty trick caliper.

Keep in mind the monoblock calipers use a Brembo pad; still a lot of options for those.. but the 6P is the C5/6 pad.

-Dale

[HyperRevNova]

The 6P is a 2 piece billet, 6S/XTR are 1pc forged.

The Baer monoblocks are awesome..
The 6R is no longer, replaced by the XTR. It has a bolt-on bridge to make pad swaps pretty quick, if you're into that. It's also as light & strong as they could make it using FEA analysis. Pretty trick caliper.

Keep in mind the monoblock calipers use a Brembo pad; still a lot of options for those.. but the 6P is the C5/6 pad.

-Dale

I didn't know that, thanks for the info...I'll take a closer look at the Baer kits

[71RS/SS396]

I've heard good things about the BAER kits but have seen some guys switch from them to StopTech's kit...I wondered why they would make a change being Baer has a nice Mono block caliper setup and they can accept OEM style pads. What's everyone's experience with the Baer 6R caliper? Thanks for the help and input everyone!!

I've been using the 6R calipers for 7 years with no issues, the pads they come with are not good for track use. I've spent a fair amount of time at VIR which is a high speed track that has some pretty serious back to back braking events. My car is 3,400 lbs, I've never had any problems slowing it from 160+ mph.

The Wilwood calipers flex way too much for my liking, the last ones I checked had .060" of flex.

[c4racer2]

I want to run a full manual system, I took a look at running the C6 Z06 stuff but think in the long run I'd be better off just purchasing an aftermarket kit. I've currently got a set of AFX speed-tech C6 Hub based spindles also.

I've heard good stuff about the StopTech's but have never ran a set. I do like that the Baer kit's allow an OEM Vette pad and they offer a full Mono block caliper unlike the StopTech's 2 piece design.

Anyone have any problems with the StopTech Calipers 2 piece design?

And Has anyone really ran the AP Setup? This was a kit I was interested in but very high priced and am thinking "Is it really worth the extra $$"

thanks!!

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I Heard they took over all the Muscle Car stuff yes. I would just contact Blake or Jay if going that route.

Speedtech does not sell what I am getting.
This is a kit that works with the stock 2nd gen spindle. I’ll post more about it when I get them. My car will be a test car for this new kit.

[HyperRevNova]

I've been using the 6R calipers for 7 years with no issues, the pads they come with are not good for track use. I've spent a fair amount of time at VIR which is a high speed track that has some pretty serious back to back braking events. My car is 3,400 lbs, I've never had any problems slowing it from 160+ mph.

The Wilwood calipers flex way too much for my liking, the last ones I checked had .060" of flex.

That's what everyone keeps saying. I didn't know the 6R caliper has been replaced by the XTR model...Gotta do a lil digging for some info on them. Thank's for the feedback...it helps a lot!!

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Speedtech does not sell what I am getting.
This is a kit that works with the stock 2nd gen spindle. I’ll post more about it when I get them. My car will be a test car for this new kit.


Calipers stay the same? Just switching spindles?

[c4racer2]

Same calipers I believe. ST60 with 14x1.25 raptors.

With stock spindle so it’s a different bracket and hub setup

[SSLance]

I have run and raced the Stoptech ST60/ST40 calipers on 14" rotors with 309 pads for about a year and a half and I love them. Very balanced system, great stopping performance from cold to 1500 degrees and very minimal dusting. I have autocrossed them mostly, but do have one long track weekend on them and the pads are still very thick with lots of life left in them.

The calipers are massive and my pedal feel is great because of virtually zero flex from them. The 309 pads use adhesive technology to grip the rotor instead of abrasive, so once you bed them in and get pad material on the rotor, there is virtually zero wear on the rotor and this is also what makes the pad work great even dead cold on the first autocross run of the morning.

If any questions about them just ask away...

[c4racer2]

Yup. That’s the setup I am going with as well.

[HyperRevNova]

I have run and raced the Stoptech ST60/ST40 calipers on 14" rotors with 309 pads for about a year and a half and I love them. Very balanced system, great stopping performance from cold to 1500 degrees and very minimal dusting. I have autocrossed them mostly, but do have one long track weekend on them and the pads are still very thick with lots of life left in them.

The calipers are massive and my pedal feel is great because of virtually zero flex from them. The 309 pads use adhesive technology to grip the rotor instead of abrasive, so once you bed them in and get pad material on the rotor, there is virtually zero wear on the rotor and this is also what makes the pad work great even dead cold on the first autocross run of the morning.

If any questions about them just ask away...


What size master are ya running? manual I assume?

[SSLance]

What size master are ya running? manual I assume?

Actually, I'm still running the stock G Body vacuum power assisted master cylinder along with the stock distribution valve. I have plumbed a proportional valve in the rear brake line and can change the bias from front to rear with about a half turn on the knob.

I like power brakes, I'm of the belief they are crucial in autocross situations...but I also run an engine that makes 20" of vacuum at idle.

I have driven another car with these exact same calipers and rotors but with a manual MC and I had a hard time getting used to how slow they reacted. I like power brakes... Your results may vary.

[76TA]

Following and will be in contact. Looking to purchase a complete manual set up for a 76 T/A. I'm leaning Baer. The car is currently just a rolling chassis right with a DSE front sub frame and Strange rear end. I have no idea what flange it is.

[Barrrf]

I cant comment on the track use stuff but I can definitely comment on street use. Sometime ago I swapped to the gen 1 CTS-V calipers on the front of my Chevelle. Which was ok using whatever manual brake master I had on the car. Then I did the rears and started experiencing a little knock back. This spring I installed the astrovan hydroboost (which I guess is the same as the CPP unit?) and I could not be happier. Some had said when going from manual to hydroboost be prepared to put your face through the window but Ive not had that experience at all. Pedal feel is amazing and knockback disappeared. Im trying to see if theres a floating rotor available for my setup but coming up short.

[79-TA]

I've been using the 6R calipers for 7 years with no issues, the pads they come with are not good for track use. I've spent a fair amount of time at VIR which is a high speed track that has some pretty serious back to back braking events. My car is 3,400 lbs, I've never had any problems slowing it from 160+ mph.

The Wilwood calipers flex way too much for my liking, the last ones I checked had .060" of flex.

What track or event are you running where you have to brake hard from 160 mph?

[Schwartz Performance]

Following and will be in contact. Looking to purchase a complete manual set up for a 76 T/A. I'm leaning Baer. The car is currently just a rolling chassis right with a DSE front sub frame and Strange rear end. I have no idea what flange it is.

Nice; I find the Wilwood flange picker a great tool:
https://www.wilwood.com/BrakeKits/BrakeKitAxleFlange

I'd be happy to get a quote for you when you're ready.

-Dale

[MCB Matt]

Hyper, we are a direct dealer for Baer and Wilwood. I can set you up with a GREAT deal on either. Send me a PM and we can discuss prices and options for you.

Thanks,
Matt

[HyperRevNova]

I cant comment on the track use stuff but I can definitely comment on street use. Sometime ago I swapped to the gen 1 CTS-V calipers on the front of my Chevelle. Which was ok using whatever manual brake master I had on the car. Then I did the rears and started experiencing a little knock back. This spring I installed the astrovan hydroboost (which I guess is the same as the CPP unit?) and I could not be happier. Some had said when going from manual to hydroboost be prepared to put your face through the window but Ive not had that experience at all. Pedal feel is amazing and knockback disappeared. Im trying to see if theres a floating rotor available for my setup but coming up short.

good to know, I've seen a few setups with either CTS-V, C6 Z06, or ZL1 adapted kits. Seems quite a few guys like the OEM brembos

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What track or event are you running where you have to brake hard from 160 mph?

I'm curious as well that's moving into corners

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Hyper, we are a direct dealer for Baer and Wilwood. I can set you up with a GREAT deal on either. Send me a PM and we can discuss prices and options for you.

Thanks,
Matt

Thanks! Still researching I will let y'all know soon. Thanks everyone

[MCB Matt]

Baer for the win! We have some great deals on them right now, let me know.. I am happy to assist on selection but for mostly street with some track, the Baer T4/SS4 combo is an excellent choice and reasonably priced.

Thanks,
Matt

[HyperRevNova]

So has anyone had any experience with the AP Racing kits? I haven't heard a word about them from anyone...I have a few rally racer buddies running their stuff on Subaru based setups (which is WAYY off subject from pro touring) but I was still wondering about quality and if anyone has used them on a track/street based car.

[Tsaints1115]

Has anyone considered using the FRPP M-2300T kits? Price wise it can be had for what just a front set of Wilwood and others cost.

https://lmr.com/item/M2300T/Mustang-Ford-Racing-GT500-Brembo-Brake-Kit-05-14-M-2300-T?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIy-C--MfD4AIVHJ7ACh1wpA4PEAQYAyABEgLKjPD_BwE

[badazz81z28]

Back from the dead…I have the 6P and thinking of upgrading to the 6S….pros cons?

I would need to sell the 6P to recoupe some funds.

[jp455]

I got the full Z06 kit from Kore...absolutely fantastic!