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MikeJ67
04-27-2018, 03:26 PM
Hi guys,
I've got a '67 Camaro with a small block. My wife has now deemed the car hers. Here's my dilemma. I've got the full pro touring suspension sitting in the shop. 4 wheel CPP Big Brake kit. NOW that I'm not going to be driving this car and is has factory power drum brakes (all new when I bought the car) what is a cheap(er) way to just add front disc brakes to the wife can comfortably drive the car around? I'm not trying to sound cheap or anything, but I've already got $4500 sitting on the floor and she told me to buy (and build) another car for my self.
Is there a quick fix for this? Or am I destined to put the good stuff on her car - even thought she'll never drive it like it's supposed to be driving with all the new stuff.
Thanks
BonzoHansen
04-27-2018, 04:53 PM
So the car needs brakes, your wife drives it, and you have brakes. But you want to save them for a car you might buy? Making sure I read this right.
$4500 in CPP parts is more than brakes I'd assume.
MuscleRodz
04-27-2018, 07:07 PM
No to be offensive, but I don't consider CPP the good stuff. That's the cheaper stuff mostly from overseas, and $4500 is probably the entire CPP suspension and brakes. Don't get me wrong, it works ok, and I have a friend that puts their stuff on a lot of cars he builds. If you want to just put stock discs on there, call CPP back and order up a stock disc brake conversion kit spindles out with correct prop valve.
bryant
04-27-2018, 09:42 PM
A simple disk brake conversion kit that uses the stock disk brake stuff will work perfectly.
https://www.summitracing.com/search/part-type/disc-brake-kits/year/1969/make/chevrolet/model/camaro
What bryant said. May even be able to find take-offs for very few dollars. Bob.
Typhoon1015
04-28-2018, 04:34 AM
super cheap would be ls1 camaro take offs for all 4. You can source all parts through rock auto or junk yards. I would keep the CPP stuff for her car, and get a higher end brand if the budget allowed for yours. Stoptech, Baer, Wilwood, Brembo etc.
BlackHD
04-28-2018, 08:48 PM
I have c5 z06 brakes for sale. Front and rear. PM if interested.
cornfedbill
04-29-2018, 02:19 PM
The factory 11 inch disc setup is the cheapest. You can buy a complete kit like Bryce suggested, or look for some used parts to save some money. I took the brackets from an old Monte Carlo in the local boneyard.
I would just rebuild the rear drums. I bought all the hardware except drums, including the shoes, but went a different direction. If the drums are the same as a 74 Nova and you want a deal on the hardware, let me know.
stab6902
04-30-2018, 05:17 AM
The factory power drums will be perfectly adequate for cruising / street driving, especially on a small block car. If they're not "comfortable," there's something wrong with them. I've driven a lot of these cars with a variety of brake configurations, and the power 4-wheel drums actually require less pedal effort than the factory power disc/drum setup. Drums are self energizing, and discs aren't.
Factory discs would get you slightly better anti-fade performance, looks, and serviceability if those are top priorities. Remember that you'll have to change the master cylinder and add a proportioning (or combo) valve if going to a disc/drum setup.
MikeJ67
05-01-2018, 05:46 PM
Yeah, drum brakes are all new from backing plates out. There just doesn't seem to be a good adjustment to keep them from pulling. I can drive it fine since I know what to expect.
Yes, the $4500 includes front & rear suspension and the big brake kit with chrome calipers. Drop spindles, new coil springs, I also had a 10 bolt built with posi & new gears since the 4 whl disc set up had to pull the axles out first.
After reading it of course, now it sounds like I would let the wife drive the car with no brakes. =) Just hate to spend the money twice "IF" I find another project. Oh well, once the motor runs in the next few days and I take it out to see what the difference is of the new HP and tranny - then I'll probably just swap all of the suspension parts this next winter. Might as well make hers as nice as can be.
Thanks everyone.
The other problem with drums up front is water. Get a little water in the drums and the brakes go away, scary the first time it happens. When I got my '67 it was 4-wheel power drums. And yes, when caught in the rain need to keep this in mind and plan an escape route.
Found stock replacement front disc's from a '69 GTO (free). Everything just bolted up, no fab, no modifications. Used the stock 1" drum M/C, be sure to pull the residual check valve out from the outlet for the disc brakes.
Instead of adding a proportioning valve I swapped the rear wheel cylinders to slightly smaller ones from a Monza (they are bolt in and the rear drums needed to be rebuilt). Done.
Note about the "stock replacement." The '69 brakes with the D52 caliper isn't stock for a '67, as in that year (and '68?) GM used a 4 piston fixed caliper. You don't want these unless doing a concurs resto.
With the number of folks going with big brake upgrades there is a bunch of the stock disc brake systems out there. And they can come from other cars besides 1st gen f-bodys.
Will need the spindles, rotors, hub (if separate), calipers, caliper mounting brackets, and hoses.
Bob
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