Buddy P's 1971 Camaro build

[BuddyP]

Ok, little late starting this new build thread but here it goes.... Sold the '68 last fall and picked up a '71 roller. It was in project stage and looked smooth and straight. Long story short there was quit a bit of shoddy workmanship on this thing. So went into complete teardown mode. Project started mid Nov. 2016. Took down to bare shell, sandblasted and installed new floor, new trunk pan, new tail pan, new trunk drop offs and fixed several other misc areas. From there I got into some custom work...


Day I brought it home
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Floor was originally covered with parts and dynamat, once uncovered it was clear someone had replaced majority of the floor from a donor car. They cut new piece too short and used 1" wide sheetmetal to connect them. Look at that nice straight tunnel...
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Floor cut out...
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After sandblast
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Bottom of tail pan... 3/8" thick bondo. Completely removed tail pan
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Uncovered several layers of patches over patches in trunk, completely removed trunk pan
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Removed inner fender wells to prep for mini-tubs
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Inner rockers were tore up from previous floor hack job. Had to restore both inner rockers
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New full floor pan, full trunk pan and tail pan installed
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Modified and boxed in the rockers. Had new rocker formed and fabbed end closures
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Carried the "skirt" look to bottom of rear quarter
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Modified tunnel for clearance for future T56 Magnum
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[BuddyP]

DSE Quadralink, Subframe connectors and Mini-tubs

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Installation of DSE subframe connectors

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Added channels along subframe connectors for parking brake cable routing. May use for brake and fuel line routing as well

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DSE mini tub installation

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DSE Quadralink bracket installation

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And back to that previous shoddy workmanship... inner quarter panel on pass side was beat to crap from previous people attempting to install outer wheel well. I removed and replaced the inner quarter and outer wheel well prior to mini tub installation on this side.

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Smoothed firewall

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Fabbed up a fuel pump access door in trunk floor

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More parts arrived... C&R radiator with integrated oil and PS fluid coolers - Thanks from TDS-Kreations

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Decided on Sparco Chrono Road seats for my larger 6'-3" frame. Had to order early to use for clearance when getting cage installed.

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While car was out of shop getting cage installed I refurbished the original tilt column. Washed out and repacked bearings, fresh paint and added NRG hub adapter and steering wheel quick release. Also replaced levers with new billet levers..... I don't ever want to pull one of these apart again

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Got car back in shop after having 6pt cage with removable harness bar installed

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Some of the little things... had to cut down humps in floor under seats for seat lever clearance to allow me to get seat as low as possible in the car.

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[BuddyP]

Underbody is now complete, took it to the local Line-X shop and had the underbody sprayed with bedliner spray. Did this with my old '68 as well and it turned out nice so did it again on this one.

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Added some brackets in the trunk area to accommodate a spare... just trying to think ahead. The plan is to have a full size spare (not the donut in the photo) and have it strapped down to the brackets.

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[Mach1_Ron]

Wish I had a little of that kind of Talent. Awesome looking work.

[BuddyP]

Thx, Just learned from doing... went in blind when I built my '68 previously

[BuddyP]

Some other recently purchased parts going into the build with help from TDS-Kreations, Bowler Transmissions and Miller Built USA

DSE 9" Ford housing and installed an aluminum Strange third member

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Miller Built Hybrid Floater system for rear end... bought this kit for the '68 with 12 bolt rear and had great results so bought 2nd kit from Jay. Great customer service.

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McLeod RST twin clutch kit, throwout bearing and Bowler billet shift handle

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T56 Magnum from Tom Farrington at TDS-Kreations and Bowler Transmissions

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[BuddyP]

Also started on motor with help from Jason Mitchell at Precision Wiring and Performance... LS3 base with cam and valvetrain upgrades for LSA supercharger. Anybody looking to get a Cam, valvetrain upgrades or vehicle harness and wiring Jason is a good go to guy.

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[BuddyP]

And now the latest update as of today, picked up DSE hydroformed subframe with help of Dutchboys Hotrods. Now to line up and install subframe and rear end and set this car on the ground

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[ryeguy2006a]

Fantastic start to a project, love what you are doing! Looks like the car is coming along great. Keep up the work and it will be done in no time.

[minendrews68]

Buddy,
Do you paint the underside of the car to match the exterior or leave the bed liner surface? Just curious. Looks like you've got a heck of a start, I know it'll be great!

[Peter Mc Mahon]

Very nice work! What benefits [aside from looking great] do you get from the LineX?

[BuddyP]

Buddy,
Do you paint the underside of the car to match the exterior or leave the bed liner surface? Just curious. Looks like you've got a heck of a start, I know it'll be great!

No I'll leave it as you see it. Thanks, yes pushing hard on this one



Very nice work! What benefits [aside from looking great] do you get from the LineX?

Yes looks great, but also extremely durable for a driver/track oriented car, seals up the underbody and acts as sound deadener. I will not use Dynamat on the interior (little bit of cost trade off)

[csouth]

Very nice! Loved your '68, so i'm following along. Wish the Miller Built stuff was available back when I bought my Moser floater, I probably would have gone that direction....

[BuddyP]

Very nice! Loved your '68, so i'm following along. Wish the Miller Built stuff was available back when I bought my Moser floater, I probably would have gone that direction....


Thanks! Yeah the Miller Built floater is a nice setup. I never thought to look at Allstar for a fuel access panel, I like that one you have.

[csouth]

Thanks! Yeah the Miller Built floater is a nice setup. I never thought to look at Allstar for a fuel access panel, I like that one you have.

Thanks... I guess we all learn from each other because I like the way you welded the frame in for your panel. When I pull my body off to paint, I'm going to weld mine in.

[Jimbo1367]

Great work. I'm so glad i stumbled upon this thread. DSE makes great stuff. $$$$$$$$. How much did the Line x undercoating cost? I like that idea.

Subscribing.

[Motown 454]

Nice work Buddy, I watched the 68 build and I'm already impressed with this one. I love the LineX on the bottom, I wish I had gone that way with mine. As far as using LineX and not the Dynamat I think your better off with this, I bet you'll save some weight too. Love the build.

[BuddyP]

Great work. I'm so glad i stumbled upon this thread. DSE makes great stuff. $$$$$$$$. How much did the Line x undercoating cost? I like that idea.

$500


Nice work Buddy, I watched the 68 build and I'm already impressed with this one. I love the LineX on the bottom, I wish I had gone that way with mine. As far as using LineX and not the Dynamat I think your better off with this, I bet you'll save some weight too. Love the build.

Thanks! I had both on the '68 I did and I think it was overkill, especially after you add carpet and padding. Just doing carpet and padding with this one. Yes Dynamat is heavy.

[Martin71RS]

impressive!! I will be watching this build for sure :-)

[Jimbo1367]

BuddyP,
Thanks. Badass build !!!

[Dragonfly]

Nicely done so far

[BuddyP]

Got the car off the rotisserie and on the ground this weekend. Installed DSE subframe and mated T56 Magnum to the motor. Need to get the firewall finished off and painted then will be ready to drop motor into the car.

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[JMitch19]

Looking good. I can't wait to see it on the road.

[BuddyP]

Looking good. I can't wait to see it on the road.

Same here, thanks for help with Cam and Valve train specs and parts order!

[slazisme]

Buddy, man you're giving that 2nd gen a really nice overhaul that was overdue, for lobotomising that floor you deserve some juicy fruit!
Very nice parts you're adding, looking forward to the build.
Simon

[spinedoc]

Looking great. can't wait to see the progress on this!

[ryeguy2006a]

Any updates Buddy?

[BuddyP]

Yes but since the photobucket ordeal I need to re-upload some photos to the PT garage. Car is at the paint shop and will be until close to Christmas I'm guessing. Firewall is finished and painted along with cage. Door jambs have been finished off and painted as well. Car is in roller form. Have basic fuel and brake lines bent up just waiting to get car back.


Any updates Buddy?

[BuddyP]

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[csouth]

Man, you don't play around!

[DKz Garage]

Any pics of the motor / trans installed??

[BuddyP]

Ok finally got some pics back up on another photo hosting site HostMyJunk.com. More updates to come, car is still at paint shop for another month then will get motor/trans installed.

Here are some updates...

Finished off the trunk... battery mounted

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Pulled front fenders out to gain a small amount of clearance. Also cut out inner fenders to fit 315's in front.

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Subframe to subframe connector attachment

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Before going to paint...

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[BuddyP]

Motor a little more complete

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Rear end installed...

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Sent out to paint to get door jambs, firewall and cage painted

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Got car back for final fitment of parts including this front spoiler from D&Z Customs

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[BuddyP]

And as of a couple weeks ago, about ready for final color.

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[Motown 454]

It looks really nice. I like how you mounted the spare in the trunk.

[ryeguy2006a]

Wow, that looks fantastic! Excellent work. x2 on the spare tire.

[rickpaw]

Love what you're doing to the car, especially the rocker extensions. Thinking about doing something similar to my 67 to hide the rocker pinch welds.

[1968CamaroSS_Sam]

Love the subtle flare on the wheel wells. Nice touch. The spare tire is great also. The car is looking very nice.

[minendrews68]

Wow!! This is going to be nice. Cone killer like the'68?

[70rsss396]

Very nice build!

[DKz Garage]

Very nice ride...coming along nicely. I'm doing a VERY similar build- same motor/trans/DSe, etc.... Have you decided on what you are using for a cross member?

Dave

[BuddyP]

Very nice ride...coming along nicely. I'm doing a VERY similar build- same motor/trans/DSe, etc.... Have you decided on what you are using for a cross member?

Dave

Dave, Yes I bought a Holley (Hooker) crossmember pt# 71222006HKR
Will install it once I get car back from paint

[DKz Garage]

Dave, Yes I bought a Holley (Hooker) crossmember pt# 71222006HKR
Will install it once I get car back from paint

Thanks Buddy for the info...... I am looking forward to seeing how this works out (drive line angle, etc) Are you using the DSE frame /motor mounts?

[BuddyP]

Thanks Buddy for the info...... I am looking forward to seeing how this works out (drive line angle, etc) Are you using the DSE frame /motor mounts?

Yes full DSE

[Jimmy]

He's back! Good to see the build again Buddy!

[BuddyP]

Finally got car back from paint. Now on to assembly...


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[Motown 454]

It looks sweet!

[BuddyP]

Good progress this weekend with getting the motor/tranny installed along with trans crossmember, C&R radiator and Ricks fuel tank.


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[DKz Garage]

Awesome Buddy! I'm a bit jealous, as my 70 is still on the rotisserie......Following your build is giving me the inspiration I need! Did you have to modify the tunnel at all and do you know what your drivetrain angle ended up at using the Hooker crossmember? Thanks in advance, Dave

[Motown 454]

NICE! How did you brace the inside where you bolted the trans crossmember ? Any pictures?

[64G-lark]

Looking good Buddy.

[BuddyP]

Awesome Buddy! I'm a bit jealous, as my 70 is still on the rotisserie......Following your build is giving me the inspiration I need! Did you have to modify the tunnel at all and do you know what your drivetrain angle ended up at using the Hooker crossmember? Thanks in advance, Dave

Thanks! Yes I did raise the tunnel a bit and it was needed. Go look at the very last photo on post #1 and you'll see what I did with the trans tunnel. A couple small issues I did run into while installing the motor was clearance at the upper drivers side bell housing area, I had to hammer in an area so motor would set down on the motor mounts. Also top side of tailshaft of trans barely kisses the floor crossbrace you see in the above photo. It would've been perfect if DSE mounts were about 1/2" further forward. I understand the reasoning for pushing motor back but in my scenario it was just a tad too far that caused some minor motor/tranny install clearance issues.

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NICE! How did you brace the inside where you bolted the trans crossmember ? Any pictures?

The hooker kit comes with steel plates that get placed on the interior side of the floor pan. I'll try and get a couple pics posted.

[DKz Garage]

Thanks Buddy, My bad..... I see what you did to the tunnel to get the trans to fit under the car......hard to tell in the pic, but I can see where the tail shaft would hit the floor brace. Have you measured the driveline angle? I'm debating on fabbing my own trans x-member and mounting it to the frame.....but the Holley piece looks slick and easy to install. Just wondered what driveline angle you ended up with using the DSE frame, engine stands , and motor mounts.

[BuddyP]

Thanks Buddy, My bad..... I see what you did to the tunnel to get the trans to fit under the car......hard to tell in the pic, but I can see where the tail shaft would hit the floor brace. Have you measured the driveline angle? I'm debating on fabbing my own trans x-member and mounting it to the frame.....but the Holley piece looks slick and easy to install. Just wondered what driveline angle you ended up with using the DSE frame, engine stands , and motor mounts.

I haven't even checked angle yet so not sure what it ended up being. Just ordered my driveshaft and will figure all that out once I install it.

[Motown 454]

That Hooker setup does a nice job.

[qnitro]

Man I love it... what hood are you gonna use to fit the LSA, the only reason I didnt go LSA on my 70 Z28 was the hood.

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[BuddyP]

Man I love it... what hood are you gonna use to fit the LSA, the only reason I didnt go LSA on my 70 Z28 was the hood.

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Ha yeah, stock hood but will have to swap out the ZL1 lid for a CTS-V lid.

[DKz Garage]

Ha yeah, stock hood but will have to swap out the ZL1 lid for a CTS-V lid.

Hey Buddy, I am removing the CTS-V Lid/covers from my motor (LSA) and going with the ZL1 lid. Let me know if you are interested.... Dave

[BuddyP]

Latest progress... installation of intercooler, front spoiler by D&Z Customs and front sheet metal.


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Intercooler lines will pass through the core support... just need to add a gromet.

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And for fun I stuffed my old 315/30/18 tire up under the front to see what rough clearances will be...

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[NOT A TA]

Looking great Buddy! I like the aero tweaks on the rockers and hood. The air dam/splitter blends in beautifully. I had a 71 Z-28 years ago I would have loved to do like you are with this one.

[Buryingthesun]

Those rockers are rad as hell! I like it, great build!

[minendrews68]

WAIT!!! Your first picture was dated 4-11-17, today is 3-4-18. You did all this in less than a year? I am totally impressed! Do you ever sleep? And it looks like it's coming along really nicely. Good Job Buddy.

[BuddyP]

WAIT!!! Your first picture was dated 4-11-17, today is 3-4-18. You did all this in less than a year? I am totally impressed! Do you ever sleep? And it looks like it's coming along really nicely. Good Job Buddy.

Ha, actually started November 2016... but it's also been locked up in paint jail for 5 months until a week ago, so technically less than a year that I've had it here to work on. And I'm behind schedule!

[romanss]

Hi Buddy.

Can I ask you what intercooler you ended up using? I am going to need one for my build and thought yours looked pretty clean and fit nicely.

Thank you.

[minendrews68]

HaHa... Your not behind schedule, I've been working on mine for over 10 years! I'll admit some of that time was when I was really busy at my business. I'm retired now so maybe I can get some things finished. Going to be a very nice your building. I can't wait to see the end result.

[BuddyP]

Hi Buddy.

Can I ask you what intercooler you ended up using? I am going to need one for my build and thought yours looked pretty clean and fit nicely.

Thank you.

Yes it's a stock GM ZL1 intercooler... I'm assuming 5th gen.

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HaHa... Your not behind schedule, I've been working on mine for over 10 years! I'll admit some of that time was when I was really busy at my business. I'm retired now so maybe I can get some things finished. Going to be a very nice your building. I can't wait to see the end result.

Thanks! I spent 9 yrs on my 1st one

[BuddyP]

No major updates but a lot of small items. Got wheels sized and been working on a bunch of misc. items... brake and fuel lines are aprox. 95% complete.


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[csouth]

Love the this build....

[Hellrace]

Great build you have going on, I have gone the same route as you. Got a 70 camaro and put a 2013 LSA engine with 6L90e from a crashed ZL1 donor.
I did mye own motor brackets, and have 2mm clearance from the oil pan down to the crossmember on the subframe.
Just wondering how much clearance you have on your oil pan when you are using your stock hood ?

Here is a picture from the engine:
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[DKz Garage]

Any updates??

[BuddyP]

Ok, here are some updates. Lot of small misc items so doesn't look like much visually. Brake lines are complete, fuel line complete. Most coolant and PCV plumbing is done. Swapped out ZL1 lid for CTSV lid that now gives me about 1/2" hood clearance. Starting on wiring (which I hate doing). Have majority of rear and front lights wired along with fuel pump. Still have to tie in a lot under the dash. Also went with one piece DBA 4000 rotors due to good reviews. Heavier than 2-piece but about 1/3rd the price.

Forgeline wheels are ordered. Hope to see them by end of May/first of June. Hopefully will have majority of other items buttoned up by then.

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[BuddyP]

Great build you have going on, I have gone the same route as you. Got a 70 camaro and put a 2013 LSA engine with 6L90e from a crashed ZL1 donor.
I did mye own motor brackets, and have 2mm clearance from the oil pan down to the crossmember on the subframe.
Just wondering how much clearance you have on your oil pan when you are using your stock hood ?

Here is a picture from the engine:
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I'll have to check... I know it's pretty close though. The crank pulley is close to the front crossmember as well. I wouldn't feel comfortable going lower.

[Motown 454]

The car looks gorgeous! I love what your doing on this build.

[nicks67camaro]

sweet!

[DKz Garage]

Any updates on this really cool build?

[BuddyP]

Nothing too significant in the past couple weeks, just cleaning up some plumbing and wiring, mounted ecm under dash, ran pvc plumbing, etc. Gathering up all my parts and trim that need to go to powder coating. Hoping to finish wiring this coming weekend. Wheels should be close to being finished soon.

I did finally finish design on rear spoiler and had it laser cut. It will be powder coated satin black to match rest of trim on car. It fits better than it looks in photo.

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[Motown 454]

It must fit good because it looks great! Did you do anything to the light buckets to fit the headlight bulbs in them? I have a set of truck lites but haven't tried to fit them yet. I have an a69 with the RS grill just wondering if they will interfere with the doors.

[BuddyP]

It must fit good because it looks great! Did you do anything to the light buckets to fit the headlight bulbs in them? I have a set of truck lites but haven't tried to fit them yet. I have an a69 with the RS grill just wondering if they will interfere with the doors.

The Truklites fit perfectly fine, I'm sure they'll fit good in your 69 as well.

[Motown 454]

Thanks Buddy.

[davidb]

Awesome looking Camaro!! I'm building a 1970 Camaro with a LS motor. I'm wondering who's master cylinder and powerbooster you are going with? I ordered one from summit racing and the rubber boot is about .5" away from the fire wall. Hate to keep ordering and not be right and have to pay shipping back to them!! Your help would greatly appreciated

[BuddyP]

Awesome looking Camaro!! I'm building a 1970 Camaro with a LS motor. I'm wondering who's master cylinder and powerbooster you are going with? I ordered one from summit racing and the rubber boot is about .5" away from the fire wall. Hate to keep ordering and not be right and have to pay shipping back to them!! Your help would greatly appreciated

Hey just saw your PM as well... I did a manual brake setup with Wilwood master cylinder. I'm not familiar enough with what you have to know if you can just get/make a shim for it or if there is something else causing it not to set flush with firewall.

[tommycomfort]

Very cool, I didn't even know there was a build thread on this one until now! Following along for sure!

[BuddyP]

Just had a nice little write up on the build wrote up by Tommy at HotRodHotline.com

https://www.hotrodhotline.com/node/20196#.Wx6mTNVKhEY

[csouth]

Just had a nice little write up on the build wrote up by Tommy at HotRodHotline.com

https://www.hotrodhotline.com/node/20196#.Wx6mTNVKhEY

Very deserving project! He did one on my friends chevelle that i posted here. Keeps the culture growing..

[BuddyP]

Very deserving project! He did one on my friends chevelle that i posted here. Keeps the culture growing..

Thanks! Was nice to have some interest in the build.

[BuddyP]

Did my first headliner install over the weekend. Aside from a couple ripples in the rear due to access limitations with the cage, I'm happy with how it turned out. Now to just get package tray installed and can then have glass put it.

I had initially bought adhesive from a can (with brush on lid) from Summit but IMO was junk. It dried fast causing the adhesive to be dry on one end of application by the time you finished putting it on the other end of application. Adhesion wasn't good either. Ended up buy a can of Permatex headliner adhesive (spray can) from AutoZone and it worked great!


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[Motown 454]

Nice job! I hope mine comes out as good as that when I do it. It figures I just ordered the brush on glue for mine last week.

[stan65]

Build is looking awsome!

Quick queston, do you see any issue with the floor pan flexing
due to the Holley crossmember? I can see mine flex just pushing
up with my hand.

Thanks,
Stan

[minendrews68]

Did my first headliner install over the weekend. Aside from a couple ripples in the rear due to access limitations with the cage, I'm happy with how it turned out. Now to just get package tray installed and can then have glass put it.

I had initially bought adhesive from a can (with brush on lid) from Summit but IMO was junk. It dried fast causing the adhesive to be dry on one end of application by the time you finished putting it on the other end of application. Adhesion wasn't good either. Ended up buy a can of Permatex headliner adhesive (spray can) from AutoZone and it worked great!


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I have used the 3M spray adhesive with absolutely no luck! whether the good stuff or cheaper. What I did find to work very well is the Dap contact adhesive in the quart can. You have to buy your own brush but this stuff works great and holds good too. I mentioned the spray adhesive only to show that it was another avenue but for me didn't work worth anything..

[csouth]

I have used the 3M spray adhesive with absolutely no luck! whether the good stuff or cheaper. What I did find to work very well is the Dap contact adhesive in the quart can. You have to buy your own brush but this stuff works great and holds good too. I mentioned the spray adhesive only to show that it was another avenue but for me didn't work worth anything..

The 3M 08088 general trim adhesive is the one, I was using the Super 90. My friend that does interiors turned me on to it and I've never had an issue. The 3M is contact adhesive too, so you have to spray both surfaces.

[BuddyP]

Build is looking awsome!

Quick queston, do you see any issue with the floor pan flexing
due to the Holley crossmember? I can see mine flex just pushing
up with my hand.

Thanks,
Stan

I don't feel there's an issue but hoping hooker also did good enough R&D to be sure that wouldn't be an issue as well

[BuddyP]

Ok behind on updates but here's a rundown. Wiring about complete, got my trim parts back from powder coater. Biggest update has to be delivery of my Forgeline GA3 wheels. 18x11 fronts with 315 Rivals and 18x12 rears with 335's. Satin Black hoops with Graphite centers. Very happy with how they turned out. Now on for final assembly of parts, still trying to get car running and complete just enough to make it to Motorstate Challange in 2 weeks!



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[rickpaw]

One word - awesome.

[minendrews68]

Man! That's looking good Buddy! Can't wait to see the car finished.

[Motown 454]

Wow that looks sweet! I like the blacked out lid one the blower.

[DKz Garage]

WOW! Looks awesome Buddy!!

[BuddyP]

Thanks guys! It's coming along.

Newest update is installation of the National Parts Depot reproduction Dash. From what I've seen the OER brand dash is horrible. I was very pleased with the NPD in both looks and fitment. Also got my custom lower dash panels powder coated and installed. Never cared much for all the original plastic parts underneath the dash pad


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[jschmidt97306]

Super Clean! You nailed the stance too, perfect!

[Bygblok]

Good gawd this car makes me drool! Dreams for my 2nd gen or my Buick either one. I hate tearing in to my camaro right now because it’s doing everything so well.........just let something break though!!

[BuddyP]

Good gawd this car makes me drool! Dreams for my 2nd gen or my Buick either one. I hate tearing in to my camaro right now because it’s doing everything so well.........just let something break though!!

Just buy this one :D

[Zspoiler]

What a beast ! keep up the good work.

[Motown 454]

Dash looks great. Nice work.

[130fe]

Progress is looking great Buddy! Wish you luck in getting it ready for Motorstate.

[DKz Garage]

Hey Buddy, What brand rotors did you use.... I'm also running Z06 calipers. I'm trying to decide if I should run a two piece or one piece.??

Thanks, Dave

[BuddyP]

Hey Buddy, What brand rotors did you use.... I'm also running Z06 calipers. I'm trying to decide if I should run a two piece or one piece.??

Thanks, Dave

Hey Dave, the rotors are DBA (Disc Brake Austrailia) and are their 4000 series one piece. If you aren't running several track events a year and trying to get that extra little bit.... just buy the one piece and save yourself 2/3rd's the cost.

[BuddyP]

So the past year and a half has had it’s moments but have finally made it to completion (for the most part). Got car on the road a week and half ago. Really tried to have it ready for the MotorState Challenge track event but just couldn't quit do it. Got enough tune in it, the morning of, to run on the street and join in for the cruise and dinner for MotorState but not enough to run safely on the track (nothing like pushing it to the 11th hour). Aside from missing door locks and side windows it is up and running. Interior will follow through winter.

So many people to thank for their help through the process of this build over the past 1.5 years:

Tom Farrington @ TDS Kreations for many build parts including the Ricks tank, Racepak dash, C&R radiator and Forgeline wheels

Randy Johnson @ D&Z Customs for my driveshaft and awesome front spoiler

Paul VanNus @ Dutchboys for the DSE clip, suspension and sheetmetal parts

Jason Mitchall for wiring and cam/valvetrain components

Brent Malone @ MalCal for the last minute tuning help

It’s been a fun ride, and while curse words and hair loss may have pursued, the day of breaking a champagne bottle over the bow has finally arrived.


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[Motown 454]

Congratulations Buddy, it looks great!

[tommycomfort]

Awesome Buddy, glad I (tds-kreations) could help along the way. The ride last Sunday was remarkable to say the least. Has me thinking LSA...

[DKz Garage]

Hey Dave, the rotors are DBA (Disc Brake Austrailia) and are their 4000 series one piece. If you aren't running several track events a year and trying to get that extra little bit.... just buy the one piece and save yourself 2/3rd's the cost.

Thanks Buddy..... How is the "power" with the LSA?? A handful I bet?? The car is absolutely Awesome!!

[BuddyP]

Thanks Buddy..... How is the "power" with the LSA?? A handful I bet?? The car is absolutely Awesome!!

No problem. I can say power is good, haven't had it on actual dyno yet so no numbers but it seems to run right where it should.

[BuddyP]

Awesome Buddy, glad I (tds-kreations) could help along the way. The ride last Sunday was remarkable to say the least. Has me thinking LSA...

You bet Tom! You've helped a ton. And thanks for the feedback and ride-along last weekend.

[cpd004]

Digging the look of the wheel's and tires. Looks like a taller sidewall than a 30 up front. What did you end up going with front and rear?

[BuddyP]

Digging the look of the wheel's and tires. Looks like a taller sidewall than a 30 up front. What did you end up going with front and rear?

30 side wall on both... 315/30/18 fronts 335/30/18 rears

[BuddyP]

Made it to the chassis dyno last month. On a 85 degree day it made 602 rwhp and 608 rwtq

https://youtu.be/I4EW-X2FeUI

[DKz Garage]

Made it to the chassis dyno last month. On a 85 degree day it made 602 rwhp and 608 rwtq

https://youtu.be/I4EW-X2FeUI

Awesome!! Enjoy the car Buddy!

[Motown 454]

Sweet numbers!

[berdunord]

Congrats Buddy awesome car !

[minendrews68]

Look at you go Dude! Looks like hard work and perseverance has paid off. Good looking ride, Congrats.

[130fe]

Looks awesome Buddy! Bet you are glad to have it on the road! Can't wait to see some videos.

[My_dope_71]

I am totally impressed on your work since day 1 on this car...

[DKz Garage]

Hey Buddy..... the car turned out great!! You did an excellent job! Can I ask what lower pulley and what alternator / power steering bracket you used? My LSA has all of the original brackets and I know I will have to move the alternator when using the DSE frame.

Thanks in advance, Dave

[BuddyP]

Thanks Dave! Stock lower pulley. If you are using the DSE mount adapters and DSE subframe you won't have room for larger bottom pulley without notching the frame. Also word of advice, pin your crank pulley! I'm pulling my motor in a couple weeks to resolve this issue, mine came loose twice even with loctite.

Alternator is Denso pt# 2116020 (C6 corvette type I believe). Alt/PS bracket GM pt# 12578067.

Hopefully that helps!

[Dave95Z28]

Motor a little more completehttps://i.hmjimg.com/images/2018/01/30/20170823_222642.jpgOdd question I know, but do you know the P/N for the fasteners holding the coils to your valve covers? Or at least their size? Thanks, David

[H20cooled]

Odd question I know, but do you know the P/N for the fasteners holding the coils to your valve covers? Or at least their size? Thanks, David

Those look like the Holley LS covers, the fasteners are built into the valve covers.

[DKz Garage]

Thanks Dave! Stock lower pulley. If you are using the DSE mount adapters and DSE subframe you won't have room for larger bottom pulley without notching the frame. Also word of advice, pin your crank pulley! I'm pulling my motor in a couple weeks to resolve this issue, mine came loose twice even with loctite.

Alternator is Denso pt# 2116020 (C6 corvette type I believe). Alt/PS bracket GM pt# 12578067.

Hopefully that helps!

Thanks Buddy, My motor is an LSA with original lower pulley, which I believe is 7.8" in diameter. I saw your picture, and it would seem that you have a "little" room to spare, but not much. I was curious as to what lower pulley you used, was it an LSA piece or some other pulley (Vette...)?? Like you, I'm using the DSE engine mounts with my DSE frame. I was forewarned that there is little to no room at the crank pulley and the frame..... As far as pinning the pulley, great advice!! Is there a specifit kit / jig you can buy for this? Thanks, Dave

[Motown 454]

It looks like the star ship Enterprise on that stand. :) Nice job !

[Dave95Z28]

Those look like the Holley LS covers, the fasteners are built into the valve covers.Thanks for the information. I didn't know the Holley valve covers came with the mounting hardware.David

[64G-lark]

Wow! The car turned out great Buddy. Hope to see you at PRI.

[BuddyP]

Thanks for the information. I didn't know the Holley valve covers came with the mounting hardware.David

I don't think they came with the hardware but the bolts are 6mm... I just can't remember length. Either 20 or 25mm

[BuddyP]

Wow! The car turned out great Buddy. Hope to see you at PRI.

Thanks Mark! Would love to be down there for PRI but won't be able to make it

[BuddyP]

Thanks Buddy, My motor is an LSA with original lower pulley, which I believe is 7.8" in diameter. I saw your picture, and it would seem that you have a "little" room to spare, but not much. I was curious as to what lower pulley you used, was it an LSA piece or some other pulley (Vette...)?? Like you, I'm using the DSE engine mounts with my DSE frame. I was forewarned that there is little to no room at the crank pulley and the frame..... As far as pinning the pulley, great advice!! Is there a specifit kit / jig you can buy for this? Thanks, Dave

Yes it is a stock 7.8 LSA pulley. Also there is a kit to pin the pulley...

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dautomotive&field-keywords=LS+Crank+Pin+Kit+LS+Harmonic+Dampener+Wit h+Bolt

[BuddyP]

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[Motown 454]

Wow very nice Buddy

[andrewb70]

Nice work. Loving the clean "no console" look of the interior!

Andrew

[ryeguy2006a]

Buddy, that looks great! I love that simple gauge cluster and of course the LSA.

[Project Bike Truck]

I just saw some of these photos being shared on insta! Looks Freaking Great.

[DWC]

Very nice! I skimmed back through this thread, but didn't see it mentioned- what seats are those?

Daniel

[Martin71RS]

Looks really good!

[bkbkbk]

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Just ran across your build today. Your car is amazing.

I've been debating running the inner front fenders on my 1973 Firebird due to tire clearance, however I noticed how you cut yours to make them more open. I really like this solution, but wanted to ask if you get much dirt/mud/road-debris thrown around your engine compartment as a result of the modification?

[BuddyP]

Very nice! I skimmed back through this thread, but didn't see it mentioned- what seats are those?

Daniel

Those are Sparco Chrono Road seats. They are slightly larger than their standard seats. I'm 6'-3 220lbs and am plenty comfortable in them.

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Just ran across your build today. Your car is amazing.

I've been debating running the inner front fenders on my 1973 Firebird due to tire clearance, however I noticed how you cut yours to make them more open. I really like this solution, but wanted to ask if you get much dirt/mud/road-debris thrown around your engine compartment as a result of the modification?

I do get some random tiny pebbles but that is it. It's not bad at all.

[BuddyP]

Been awhile but back in May I finally got the Camaro on the track at Putnum Park Road Course for the Midwest Musclecar Challenge sponsored by Bowler Performance Transmissions. Took a little but to get comfortable since being out of the drivers seat for a couple years but slowly got my focus back and was able to put down a 1:20 lap and getting 2nd fastest "top speed shootout speed" down the front straight. Next event is Motorstate Challenge at Gingerman Raceway in a couple weeks

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[c4racer2]

Car looks absolutely fantastic! Nice job!

What gear ratio did you go with and how do you like it now that you have some track time under your belt?

I'm about to do a 9" in my 71 and debating between 3.70 and 3.89 and saw Quick offers a 3.80 which might be a compromise between the two.
Mine is a bit more street focused, but also will see some autox and track time, motor is a bit less hp for now but will get up to the 600 range soon - but it's carburated 406 now and likely to go FiTech with a Rick's vapor tank when I bump the power by 75-100 as part of a cam / head swap.
You have that tank too right - how does it work on the road course so far?

[Larry Callahan]

Love it!!!!!

[Motown 454]

Glad to hear your out enjoying the car, it looks great.

[David Sloan]

Very nice !

[minendrews68]

Very nice indeed! I'm really liking it.

[BuddyP]

Car looks absolutely fantastic! Nice job!

What gear ratio did you go with and how do you like it now that you have some track time under your belt?

I'm about to do a 9" in my 71 and debating between 3.70 and 3.89 and saw Quick offers a 3.80 which might be a compromise between the two.
Mine is a bit more street focused, but also will see some autox and track time, motor is a bit less hp for now but will get up to the 600 range soon - but it's carburated 406 now and likely to go FiTech with a Rick's vapor tank when I bump the power by 75-100 as part of a cam / head swap.
You have that tank too right - how does it work on the road course so far?

Thanks! 3.50 gear, gearing works well with the 600+ rwhp. 3rd gear general sticks decent. Much lower gearing and it may start to be a handfull in 3rd. My opinion for you would be to stick with a 3.70 for your setup, especially if more street focused. Yes I have Ricks with Vaporworx. It's been down to 1/4 tank on the road course with zero fuel starvation issues. It's been great so far.

[c4racer2]

The problem I have is I need to keep RPM above 2500 or even 3000 better yet since I have a carb motor. It's not happy going WOT below about 3K. Rips from 3-6500. But it's very different from a LS motor. I have 3.73 in my 2016 with taller tires, so pretty similar to a 3.5 gear and that is just not enough gear even on the street most of the time. As a result I am still leaning towards a 3.89 gear. Good to hear on the tank. I wish Safe Racer made a bolt in fuel cell for early Camaro's like they do for early Mustangs. They only have a 3rd gen tank for Camaros. Pretty lame.

[berdunord]

Awesome car, love it !

[BuddyP]

Finally getting around to posting some pics from motorstate challenge at Gingerman Raceway. It was extremely HOT out, miserably so... which made for an extremely loose car. After some tweeks through the day ended up with a 1.45 lap time but was still a messy one. Not how I wanted the day to go but will chalk it up for experience. Saturday mornings track-attack was 15 degrees cooler and changed the car from loose to slightly tight but manageable enough to get a respectable 104.2. I'll take it. Once again an absolutely great event put on by the Motorstate crew!

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[JMitch19]

Finally getting around to posting some pics from motorstate challenge at Gingerman Raceway. It was extremely HOT out, miserably so... which made for an extremely loose car. After some tweeks through the day ended up with a 1.45 lap time but was still a messy one. Not how I wanted the day to go but will chalk it up for experience. Saturday mornings track-attack was 15 degrees cooler and changed the car from loose to slightly tight but manageable enough to get a respectable 104.2. I'll take it. Once again an absolutely great event put on by the Motorstate crew!

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[boostedcc5.3]

Car is beautiful. If you have time can you give me some detail on the lower dash panel you did. I think that looks way better than the factory plastic.

[CarlC]

Great job, and good on you for beating on it!

[korbun20]

who built your roll cage? Looks good.

[BuddyP]

who built your roll cage? Looks good.

Had a local guy do it that used to build circle track cars.

[BuddyP]

Got some good shots of the car recently from Semper Fast Media


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[Larry Callahan]

Very clean! I love it!

[BuddyP]

Very clean! I love it!

Thanks Larry!

[SSLance]

Looks great! Are you having fun enjoying the car now after so much time spent building it?

[MUSCLECAR]

Holy Crap!, I just jumped from your first post to this last page, You have been busy!, looking forward to reading your full thread!

[dmendez68]

Hello Buddy,

Very nice build, a couple of questions, what are the front and rear offsets?