Any G-Bodies out there? [Archive]

gchandler

11-06-2005, 02:49 PM

I don't have it yet, but I will be building a g-body up in the near future. If you do a search for "gnx" you will find a few threads with some good stuff.

I plan to make the car an all out g-machine with plans to take it "drifting" so my build will have to conform to a set of rules, but I will be taking it as far as possible within that rule set.

I am also going to be limited to a reasonably small budget with to get everything done.

Here is my basic outline:
1. Reduce weight by removing everthing that does not make the car go.
2. Move all weight that must stay between the axles where possible.
3. Lower the body on the frame with steel body mounts.
4. Switch to a 5 gallon fuel cell located in the package tray
5. The rules stipulate that I must use OEM uprights, but does not specify from which vehicle so I have me eyes on the SC&C G-5 setup up front, but I need a better look at the rules.
6. Also due to the rules limiting movement of suspension pickup points to less then 2 inches I think that I will be starting out with the gnx rear suspension and working from there.
7. For a transmission I have been looking at a TCI circle track powerglide with a direct drive(no converter) and if needed a gear vendors overdrive unit.
8. Engine ~500hp ~500tq as reliable as possible with as flat a torque curve as possible. I do not have to run pump gas. I am thinking 13:1 383 should get the job done.
9. Rearend I would like a floater, but stock with a spool to start then possible a floater when there is more money to be had.
10. 8pt roll cage that welds to the frame.
11. Accusump as the car will be seeing high revs under lateral slide conditions.

Of course this is all a rough plan, but that is basically what I have been playing with in my mind.

GBodyGMachine

11-06-2005, 02:59 PM

TPI Monte SS

11-06-2005, 08:26 PM

I have an '88 Monte SS, done in the "BudgetTouring" style. I'm running a MAF TPI 305 from an '87 IROC. The motor has a bit of a cam, roller rockers, World Products 305 heads, SLP runners, and dyno'd 223 hp and 277 ft/lbs. at the wheels on a lean tune (not bad for a little motor!). She's also got a World Class 5-speed manual from an '88 IROC, and a Powertrax with 3.73s out back. Suspension-wise, it's lowered with Eibach springs and Bilstein shocks, and braking has been improved with Impala SS spindles and 12" discs up front. Wheels are SLP's 17x8s, with Continental ExtremeContact 245/45 ZR17s all around.

All together, I'm probably into the car for ~$10K. I can't go crazy because I'm just a teacher with a wife and family, and a house in Bergen County NJ. :) Someday it'll get a bigger motor and a 6-speed!

gen3bu

11-06-2005, 08:45 PM

1979 malibu in process. it it is currently stripped down to nothing. it will be getting an ls1/m6 with twin turbos. seriously considering the g5 with the wilwood 6 piston 14" upgrade, 8 or 10 point cage, mini-tub, and a custom 3-link rear.
it currently has the ls1/m6 sitting in it waiting for an oil pan and motor/trans mounts.

check out my vbgarage for some pics.
kevin

RatMalibu

11-06-2005, 11:33 PM

1980 Malibu......well actually 2 of them but only one worth talking about lol.....lots and lots of mods......not really pro-touring, kinda a mish mash of alot of different styles but in the end it makes the adrenaline flow lol

Big $$$

11-07-2005, 09:28 AM

I had a sweet 86 monte carlo- It was stolen out of my garage. It was wicked!!! i love G-bods.
i really believe they'll be the next big trend in rodding.

Steven

11-07-2005, 01:17 PM

Lots of g-body members. Build a new frame, why? Lots of information on setting up the current frame for pro-touring/track days. Suspension parts from everywhere. Check out several Monte Carlo SS web sites that will link to others. Brakes from several different manufactures, several members can give pro and con, do a search. You just need to set a spending limit and go way over it, better yet, just spend as it never stops.

GBodyGMachine

11-07-2005, 01:49 PM

I would need to find a good frame then. The frame I have has had it. I also wanted to narrow the rear so I can tuck big tires. That was the plan.

Jeff

Travis B

11-07-2005, 01:55 PM

I currently have an 86 regal that is set up for straight line. Just last weekend i was running 12.40's on street tires with a 383 and a TH-350, until the tranny scattered. Car would see 11's with slicks.
But now that I have the chance to build a new chassis in school (Wyotech), I am going to move in a new direction.

JEff

NO way you will get a chassis built in chassis fab by yourself.....THere is not enought time to get it done trust me....maybe if had you and at least two friends or something....PM if you want some more info on th class so you know what to expect!

Samckitt

11-07-2005, 02:06 PM

I'm here wtih an 86 Monte SS, 95 LT1 & T56, GN rear, 13" C5 brakes up front, 12" Vette Discs out back, 245/45/17 up front, 275/40/17 out back. Fun to drive. (If I ever get it back together.)
Scot

Travis B

11-07-2005, 02:11 PM

I'm here wtih an 86 Monte SS, 95 LT1 & T56, GN rear, 13" C5 brakes up front, 12" Vette Discs out back, 245/45/17 up front, 275/40/17 out back. Fun to drive. (If I ever get it back together.)
Scot

I went I hated it...in fact I don't even like to tell people I went there :secret: :secret:

ReggD79406

11-07-2005, 02:22 PM

83' El Camino & 79 2dr. Malibu....Camino has a GN drivetrain, engine, trans, drivshaft & 3.42 posi rear. Runs like a champ! Malibu is recieving gen III transplant, but its getting difficult to find a 6.0 engine at a good price. I have a 5.3 block that I can turn into a stroker, but I kinda wanted to start with a block that has more potential. Anyway, Im still on the hunt. Later guys!

Reg

gchandler

11-07-2005, 02:47 PM

dgumoe

11-07-2005, 03:29 PM

yeah man, 84 el camino here, its in the first stages of getting torn down now, when im done, corvette brakes, street comp 2 suspension, 500 horse at the wheels, ive got a 81 grand prix drag car, and my buddy has a 79 grand prix that im slowly convincing him to redo pro tour style. you are not alone!!

ReggD79406

11-07-2005, 03:44 PM

Is the monte rear and the GN rear different?

Does the el camino and the GN share a rear, or is the el camino and monte the same?

If I want to convert to a GNX rear suspension will I need to get a GN rear, or are there others that will work?

Yes to all questions...78-87 El Camino's, Malibu's, Cutlass, Monte's (Im not sure about the Monte SS...It may be posi 7.5) & Regal's with exception of the T-Type and the GN have a 10bolt 7.5 rearend. Grand National's, Regal T-Type & the Hurst Olds have a 10bolt 8.5

Regi

GBodyGMachine

11-07-2005, 03:50 PM

Ok, since I have a bunch of GBODY Guys on this page now. I want to go low with this car. Does anyone make coilovers? If not, what is the easiest way to GO LOW?

JEff

Big $$$

11-07-2005, 04:49 PM

I used 2in Bel-tech spindles in the front and cut the rear coils-with a recipricating saw -not a tourch-. Eibach makes the rear coils and ther probably more pro. Its easy to do. Make sure the cars on an even surface and measure the height while the springs are still on the car, mark, cut and re-install. The rear is real easy, the spindles are time consuming, but a novice can still do it.

white79bu

11-07-2005, 05:19 PM

White 79 malibu here. It's got all of the typical pro-touring stuff. Aluminum headed 406, t56, 12 bolt, 1le sway bar, f41 frame bars, b-body spindles w/12" rotors, ect. I am gettin ready to do a C5 brake conversion, LS1 rear disks and maybe a couple other things. I am also thinking about reworking my brake pedal and gas pedal for better heel toe downshifting for Mid-ohio next year. But haven't came up with anything yet. If you want to see pictures check out my VBgarage. Andy

Steven

11-07-2005, 06:16 PM

If you want to go to the track, up grade the brake system. Care full which rear brakes you want to use. Stainless Steel will not allow lowering the rear.

Bill Howell

11-07-2005, 07:07 PM

My 1980 malibu has a mild protour approach. Rear disk, ZZ4 block w/ vic. jr heads, 700R4, TTll's, BMR rear suspension upgrades, and QA1 shocks. It also has a 9" rear. A/C still works, upgraded radiator, SS dash. It is just a fun car to drive and handles pretty well too. I love G-bodies and think they are the next hot ticket.

hotrod

11-07-2005, 07:14 PM

I'm just starting a '79 Elcamino. '94 LT1 motor and a 4L60E trans. Motor and tranny are done and waiting to go in. Plans are to upgrade suspension and brakes then paint and interior. This will be a daily driver so I won't get too carried away. :)

gchandler

11-07-2005, 10:57 PM

Any other cars with the 8.5 10 bolt? Time to start looking for one.

THX 138

11-08-2005, 01:13 AM

Any other cars with the 8.5 10 bolt? Time to start looking for one. is that the grand national rear end? they also came in the olds 442. and i bet some malibu wagons, but thats just a guess. I had a '79 monte calro :( I wish I still had it. even though it was technically a A body, the later G bodies were exactly the same except for sheetmetal.

Jims78elky

11-08-2005, 03:15 AM

Hey there! Always a spot here for G-Bodys..:seizure:

Mine is a 78 El Camino,I would not think my car would be :protouring:
more of street rodder+better than stock upgrade late model..lol.

Though its got a built 383 with EFI (F.A.S.T.) 700R-4 12 bolt rear 3:73 buy currie,and the wheel of posers TTII's 17"s (just kidding guys..lol)

Suspension,global west,Hotchkis-QA1,poly bushings,front/rear sways
3" full exhaust dr.gas X-over flowmaster 50's.Its a fun car to drive
gets decent times 12:40-ish 1/4 and handles pretty well,gets loose
in the rear though if you push it real hard.

Interior is updated,buckets-ididit-auto-meter,very comfy,and gives a
nice firm ride..G-body el caminos are fun to drive,and on the weekends you can haul some lumber if ya need too! :lmao:

Glad to have you here!

-Jim

Big $$$

11-08-2005, 04:16 PM

Roomy

CRCRFT78

11-08-2005, 04:46 PM

I've own CARCRAFT magazines former project Malibu 78. Hotchkis suspension, LT1 w/ 4L60E, B-Body brakes and a few other items on the car. Curently in teardown for a full frame off. Plan to Pro-Tour it for the wife. You can look it up on CARCRAFTs website or Google LT1 Malibu. Hopefully the info helps.

hotrod

11-08-2005, 05:56 PM

Will any of the rearends out of cars with the 8.5" 10 bolt fit a '79 Elky?

79_GBody

11-08-2005, 06:20 PM

Ok, since I have a bunch of GBODY Guys on this page now. I want to go low with this car. Does anyone make coilovers? If not, what is the easiest way to GO LOW?

JEff

I believe QA1 make a coil-over setup for G-Body's.

WOOSHH

11-08-2005, 06:27 PM

I have a 87 Buick GN w/ low miles and Hotchkis springs and Bilstein shocks.It handles great with the stock tires and rims.

blazer4corners

11-08-2005, 06:46 PM

Will any of the rearends out of cars with the 8.5" 10 bolt fit a '79 Elky?
Just the 78-88 g-bodies, Cutlass,Regal,Malibu(some consider them A-bodies)Monte,Grand Prix,ElCamino......Hurst Olds ,GNX ,Grand National ,are the only factory 8.5 equiped cars.For the NORM Its almost cheaper to put in a direct fit 9" or 12 bolt than to find and buy a 8.5. Hey guys don't forget about the aluminum core supports :jump:

Bill Howell

11-08-2005, 06:53 PM

While this thread is going, someone tell me again what the backspacing is if you put 9.5" on the rear please. I may change the wheels on my malibu and want the widest possible combo on the back.
Thanks,

blazer4corners

11-08-2005, 07:06 PM

For 16" wheels:
16 x 8": 3.75 - 4.0" B.S.
225/60-R15 (24.9")
245/50-R15 (25.7")
255/50-R15 (26.1")
265/50-R15 (26.5")

16 x 9": 4.0 - 4.5" B.S.
255/50-R15 (26.1")
265/50-R15 (26.5")

For 17" wheels:

17 x 8": 3.75 - 4.0" B.S.
235/40-R17 (25.3")
245/40-R17 (24.7")
245/45-R17 (25.6")
255/45-R17 (26.1")

17 x 9": ~4.5" B.S.
255/45-R17 (26.1")
265/40-R17 (25.3")
275/40-R17 (25.7")

I know its not exactly
what you asked but it should help you ,if not other members

Bill Howell

11-08-2005, 07:08 PM

Thanks, I knew with all the g-body players in this one thread I would get a quick answer. Looks like 9" is as good as it gets then?
Thanks again.

blazer4corners

11-08-2005, 07:12 PM

No problem.I might not be the brightest bulb in the pack but i do know my g-bodies.I'Ve owned more of them than anything.If not I know where to go to get a quick answer.Me and a buddy(BIG3FAN) from another forum have collected alot of info and part #'s over the last couple years.Not including about every part for a 81-88 monte mainly 83-88 SS's

gchandler

11-08-2005, 07:22 PM

Which cars had the alum core support?

blazer4corners

11-08-2005, 09:07 PM

Mainly late 70's real early 80's regals .But we have learned to check all g-bodies we come across.Happen to have one in stock and a line on another one.You can literally pick these things up with TWO fingers.They weigh about 11 pds.

Hydratech®

11-09-2005, 04:56 AM

BIG G BODY FANS HERE!

Here are the specs on my 442:

 ENGINE:

 1970 Olds 455 at .040 over
 Speed Pro forged 10.25:1 pistons
 Childs & Albert gapless piston rings
 Edelbrock aluminum heavily ported cylinder heads
 Crane hydraulic roller cam .605 lift / 305 adv duration
 Crane Gold series rocker arms and dual springs
 Holley Projection 4Di 900 on Edelbrock Torker intake
 Hooker / Mondello Supercomp headers with exhaust dumps, 2 1/2" pipes + Hooker AeroChamber mufflers
 Moroso 7 qt oilpan with Howe radiator with oil cooler and dual remote oil filters for a total capacity of 10 qts of Mobil 1 15W50

 TRANSMISSION:

 1970 Genuine Hemi GTX 4 speed manual (A-833) (This is the only tranny that has lived behind this engine!)
 Modified Lakewood bellhousing
 Ram Clutches paddle style sintered bronze clutch
 Modified ’95 Camaro hydraulic clutch master / slave
 Modified Hurst Competion 4 speed shifter

 REAR AXLE:

 Moser Engineering Ford 9” rear axle
 Moser 31 spline race axleshafts
 Tractech Detroit Locker differential (love / hate item here for sure)
 3.00:1 Richmond Gearset (absolute animal with the other 3.90 center section)

 BRAKES & SUSPENSION:

 Hotchkis Suspensions tubular upper control arms
 Hotchkis Adjustable 4 link rear suspension package
 1988 Caprice 9C1 option Police Car front spindles
 12” rotors and GM fullsize calipers (front)
 1970 442 Big Block Moog coil springs (cut one coil)
 Monroe Reflex HD truck shock absorbers (front)
 1996 GMC Jimmy 4WD 11” front brakes (on the rear!)
 Adjustable proportioning valve and linelock

 Level III Hydratech Hydraulic Brake Assist System Installed (of course!).

Currently running a set of Wheel Vintiques repro 442 15X10 Rally wheels on a 5" backspacing.
Note: Now must decide on some new wheels to clear the new Baer Extreme Plus Mono Block 14" (!) brake system that I won at this year's PT.com dinner! :seizure: I was informed that I will need atleast an 18" wheel to clear these monsters (zoiks!) This thing already stops like you've never seen before, to where we are scratching our heads as to just how over the absolute top it will be with the premier Baer monster MonoBlock system.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

Action Vids:
http://www.hydratechbraking.com/multimedia_gallery/videos/movie_5.WMV
http://www.hydratechbraking.com/multimedia_gallery/videos/movie_6.WMV

Here in the MotorCity, everybody thinks this thing *maybe* has a 350 in it, as we kept it so low key looking. There is nothing more fun than being heckled by a typical ricer, then slowing down to about 40 mph and then absolutely blazing the rear tires right past 'em - scares the hell out of them and sends them straight home to mommy.

Always wanted to spray it - never have though :drive2:

TPI Monte SS

11-09-2005, 06:13 AM

Guys, there is a little mis-information here on the 8.5" rear. Only the '84 Hurst Olds got the 8.5; the '83 H/O came with a 7.5. All '85-'87 442's got the 8.5 rear, and all Turbo Buicks from '84-'87 came with the 8.5". The Turbo Buick cars came with 3.42 gears in them, while the Olds variants came with 3.73s.

No wagons or Elkys came with them from the factory.

Hope that clears the mud!

hotrod

11-09-2005, 07:16 AM

Hey thanks for the info! Not sure but I'll bet those would be a little hard to find in a wrecking yard. Maybe the 442 Olds. Any opinions?

blazer4corners

11-09-2005, 04:25 PM

Thanks for the clear up Steve.

gmachinz

11-09-2005, 04:45 PM

Also on the GN's and possibly the T-Type's, they have a different 8.5 housing than the rest in that they feature a panhard bar like 3rd. Camaros that really aid in handling, too. GN's rears are like gold in the G-body world! If you ever find one at a swap meet for cheap-GRAB IT! -Jabin
PS- I have a pro-touring (still building) '78 Monte Carlo and I'm putting together a "driver" '87 SS Monte Carlo. Other Montes I've owned in the last 12 years are as follows in no particular order:

1970 (2)
1976
1977
1978 (3, damn cars kept getting hit!)
1979
1981
1984
1987 SS

Bill Howell

11-09-2005, 04:49 PM

Samckitt

11-09-2005, 05:21 PM

The only Turbo Buick that has the panhard type suspension is the GNX. Not the regular GN. It has a different name other than the panhard bar, I think it is called a Watts Link suspension.

I have a GN 8.5" rear in my 86 Monte SS. It is a direct bolt in. Except shortening the driveshaft.

Scot

Samckitt

11-09-2005, 05:23 PM

Here is a webpage that has the GNX style suspension that is being reproduced by Kirban performance.

https://www.kirbanperformance.com/gnx.htm

Scot

vintageracer

11-10-2005, 06:17 AM

I've got a 1986 Pontiac Grand Prix 2+2. Yep, the big window Nascar version. Nice car purchased from a lady. Never damaged and just completing a tear down for new paint. In process of lowering and beginning the transformation. Most folks say it's kinda ugly however I think will look GREAT lowered with 18's all around.

I have not looked to see which 10 bolt is in this car however the car does have a posi rear 10 bolt. Since nobody mentioned this 2+2 Grand Prix. Does any know if these cars have a 7 1/2 or 8 1/2 ten bolt rearend?

There were 1018 of these cars made. All were silver and exactly optioned the same with the exception of 2 cars. One was black (at the Talladega musuem) and the other was maroon. Another dare to be different G body!

Thanks for the respone

hotrod

11-10-2005, 01:55 PM

Hmmmm.....so looking at the post on the wheel fitment if I want to use a set of Cragars I have that are 17X9 w/ 5-1/2" BS on the rear I would need to use a 1" spacer? Who makes a good one?

gmachinz

11-10-2005, 04:00 PM

Right on about the GNX rear-end, I knew somebody would know for sure. As for a 5.5" b/sing, I think a 1/2" spacer would be okay IF your rear suspension is very rigid in terms of side to side deflection. What kind of trailing arms/bushings do you have? I have 17x9's out back with 285/40/17 rubber and I have almost a 1/2" clearance between the stock frame and the backside of the tire. I have a full Hotchkis rear w/braces and it does not rub at all. The springs I believe I took from a Caprice wagon-shorter with a heavier load rating. -Jabin

hotrod

11-10-2005, 05:36 PM

Right now it's all stock with the engine about to be replaced. I will upgrade the suspension next, then brakes and finally paint and interior.

blazer4corners

11-10-2005, 05:41 PM

blazer4corners

11-10-2005, 05:45 PM

They don't even have the HO 305 or the better 2004R.They have the grandma 305 and slushbox auto

vintageracer

11-10-2005, 06:15 PM

That's what makes those Pontiacs desireable to Grandma and Grandpa, who wants all that HO performance stuff anyway. Afterall, the car was purchased new by an older lady.

All kidding aside, most folks here would change it all anyway. When I get it lowered and sitting right with the "look" and it's low performance capibility, it will be a car that is built in the true Bill Howell tradition, a "Poser"!

Sorry Bill, I couldn't resist! Thanks for brunch yesterday.

Bill Howell

11-10-2005, 06:22 PM

:lmao: That's ok, I have changed my signature now anyway to a quote I stoled from Steveo. Thanks for the toy tour.

87sstpi

11-11-2005, 01:52 AM

o.k. so i'm a little late here, gbod junkie as well i have three 80 malibu's and a 87mcss. mom and dad have two 2+2 pontiacs (ones for sale) anyways i can't beleive this thread has gone on for three pages and not one person has mentioned malibu racing.com (i thought ratbu would be on it) just be careful it's the most informative gbod website out there, once you're in you'll be addicted.

Dust87ss

11-11-2005, 08:22 AM

Add one more G-body.

hotrod

11-11-2005, 10:27 AM

MattA

11-11-2005, 01:50 PM

May as well add another to the list. A 79 malibu currently scattered all over the shop with no funds to put it back together. I am currently in the middle of a mini-tub/rear frame rail sectioning procedure as outlined on malibu racing. It did give enough room to run a 295/40/20 on a 10 inch rim and clear the frame and outter fender lip.

Supercharged 86

11-11-2005, 03:12 PM

+ 2 more

'78 Malibu drag car project
'86 El Camino hot rod

I wouldn't say the El is up to racing standards, but it's a pretty sweet ride. Hmmm, seems like the perfect place to add some pictures!

The Malibu with pretty much nothing done yet
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

Camino as it is now
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

olds87

11-11-2005, 04:03 PM

I got a 87 olds Cutlass Supreme, it not a PT car yet ,but later in the futuer.

GBodyGMachine

11-12-2005, 05:40 AM

Norm Peterson

11-12-2005, 07:07 AM

Another late check-in here. The '79 Malibu has been an off-and-on project in the PT direction ever since I bought it new. Mostly it's a low-buck effort with the exception of the powertrain. Currently, it's not SCCA Solo II legal below C Prepared but is still street legal, (at least it was when the catalytic converter was still working properly).

I'm sort of expecting to see Marcus here, eventually.

Norm

RatMalibu

11-12-2005, 10:11 AM

i can't beleive this thread has gone on for three pages and not one person has mentioned malibu racing.com (i thought ratbu would be on it) just be careful it's the most informative gbod website out there, once you're in you'll be addicted.

lol sorry..I'm a little slow on the uptake, and I normally feel odd about pimpin other forums on a forum :dunno: I guess it just slipped my mind

Johnny Blaze

11-12-2005, 11:06 AM

My first car to legally be able to drive, was an 80 malibu. It was kinda g machine before it was cool.

It was slammed, ran 15/x8" with 225/50/15 BFG's.

I built a mild .030" 350 with small cam, vette heads ported and such, and a MAF TPI set up with ported plemuns and such.

Car had ported manifolds, y pipe, cat and a y with to tail pipes, no muffler, and sounded real mellow.

TH350 with shift kit.

rear had 3.08's.

Body had all the trim chrome striped, and a custom bright white sprayed over the whole car. It had a custom cowl hood and rear spoiler off an 80's firebird.

This was in like 96. I've been wanting to buy the car back, its sitting behind a barn, and build it again.

gen3bu

11-13-2005, 05:09 PM

Marcus SC&C

11-13-2005, 06:16 PM

Okay so I`m REALLY LATE to the party. I could swear I already posted on this thread but,heh,there`s no post there so I guess I didn`t.
We deal with a LOT of Pro-Touring G bodys! Our suspension packages for them are becoming very popular. Just finished a customer`s `87 ElCamino with our Stage 2 front suspension,17" wheels,Bilsteins,fresh motor/trans. etc. in our custom shop last week too. I have a mildly PT `86 Monte with Stg.2 suspension,and a host of subtle mods. We also an `87 Cutlass test mule with our C5 Vette based G-5 front suspension,17"s,adj. 3 link/PHB rear suspension (SC&C prototype),weight jacks,adj. QA1s,SC&C adj. swaybars (prototypes),cage,and LS1/T-56 six speed. With a few good mods G bodys make great PT cars. I think we`ll be seeing a lot more of them! Marcus SC&C

malibu9in

11-13-2005, 06:45 PM

Ive had my malibu since 93. It has been drag raced and street driven . Now its just a pro cruzier. It has hotchkis control arms in the rear big sway bars and air ride suspension. I love the way this car drives and handles. I dont take it to the track cause i would rather drive it on a sunny day. But thats just me! Good luck on your projest. Maliburacing is a very informative site!

G Machine442

11-13-2005, 07:31 PM

My Pro-touring project had been put on hold, but check it out at:

https://www.pro-touring.com/featured_cars/Olds/James_Browne_85_Olds_442/james_brownes_85_olds_442.htm

http://jimscutlass.tripod.com/id3.htm

http://jimscutlass.tripod.com/0a4e8ee0.jpg

If you have any Questions please Feel free to ask.

796spdbu

11-13-2005, 07:39 PM

hey bill
check with ratmalibu,he is running 18x10's.I think hes b.s. is around 4".I could be wrong,its been awhile since i have read a post about wheels size.so check with him.By the whay your bu is sweet,me and my girl friend seen it parked on the strip when we went to the shades of the past rod run in sept.hope this helps.

Bill Howell

11-13-2005, 07:50 PM

Hey Thanks, I just want to upgrade the TTll's. I wish now I had done some things different with the car, but it is still a sweet driver. Call me next time you are here.

RatMalibu

11-13-2005, 09:32 PM

sorry Bill....didn't catch your question until now......i'm running 18x10 with 5" backspace and 275/35/18's....its tight but do-able...any bigger tire and its frame notch time and you'll probably have to slightly roll the 1/4 lips like I did....mine's getting a frame notch, full lip roll and 305/35/18 555R's one day in the future though ;-)

Jims78elky

11-14-2005, 01:09 AM

Iam running 17X9.50 with 5" of backspace..and a 275/40/17
fits good no issues..Though i did roll the lips,anyone know of
a way to mini-tub the rear? or is it possible to do one without
notching the frame on a elky?

malihoochie

11-14-2005, 09:56 AM

Gotta love 4 pages dedicated strictly to the "G" body!

THX 138

11-15-2005, 01:25 PM

Gotta love 4 pages dedicated strictly to the "G" body!Ya it makes me want to get another '79 Monte and do what I didn't have money for when I was 17 :)

Mine was jsut like this but I had the stock wheels. It was black too with the Landau trim level

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

Top Speed

12-03-2005, 07:04 AM

G Bodies Rule!!! See my vBgarage for details.
http://www.turbobuicks.com/forums/vbgarage.php?do=view&id=5121

mone

12-04-2005, 10:02 PM

I will be running 20 inch wheels all the way around my 81 malibu..I seen a few in Atlanta running 22s...

mone

01-14-2006, 07:56 PM

any other Gbody sites?

McssGmachine

01-14-2006, 09:56 PM

I didn't know so many g-body were on this site !! Well i have a monte carlo ss with a EFI small block, B-body spindle swap, 4 piston bear brakes, GN rear end, Curretrac rear supension, 18" simmions wheels. Here some pics!:headbang:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2005/12/montecarlo021-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2005/12/49d8-1.jpg

indyrich07

01-15-2006, 09:46 AM

I've got a G body circle track truck that I'm converting to a road racer. 9 in floater rear end, 4 speed 2600 lbs, all fiberglass body. Have any of you put the g-5 set up on yet from marks shop , I'm very intersted in putting it on my truck after I get a fresh front clip on it..

GBodyGMachine

01-22-2006, 06:06 AM

McssGmachine

01-22-2006, 07:49 AM

Thanks! Its a type 2 steering pump and yes the car is lowered but i need to go lower. I have hotchkis lowering spring but still sits to high, I'm going to try some spring from OPG. Here's some pic of the stance now and a photochop of how low want to go.

Brian

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2005/12/Image001-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/01/GMachineStance-1.jpg

GBodyGMachine

01-22-2006, 08:50 AM

Thanks for the reply

Jeff

CRCRFT78

01-22-2006, 01:33 PM

Just thought I would FINALLY put some pics up of my project and of my cousin Berthas' project. 78 Malibu & 86 Monte Carlo SS.

SicMonte

01-24-2006, 02:45 PM

wow...im seriouselly impressed with all the G-Bodies!!! I have an 88 Monte SS that I am currentlly having painted. I never knew how many g bodies there were out there!!

This July there is an all monte carlo event (but any g body is welcome) being held at Kahunaville in Wilmington Delaware. Who all on here is anywhere remotelly close to there? If so...we should all meet up and cruise on over to the show. It is a two day event and is pretty well attended!!

Bill Howell

01-24-2006, 04:29 PM

I wish I was closer, but that is a tad too far since I will just be getting off the Power Tour.
I have the malibu apart once again, but it should be quick when we finish it this time. Such a fun driver.
One question, many 6speed manual conversions out there. I am seriously considering a swap.

SicMonte

01-24-2006, 06:06 PM

a buddy of mine has a 6 speed in his...so nice. I say do it.

Bill Howell

01-24-2006, 06:09 PM

a buddy of mine has a 6 speed in his...so nice. I say do it.
Did he do it using a kit or trial and error method? Where did the shifter work out? I am heading out of town for the week, but would like to talk about this when I get back.

Samckitt

01-24-2006, 06:36 PM

The G body with the Factory T56 fits perfect. The shifter is in the perfect position, I am 6'3", and I love it.

Scot

Runamok

01-24-2006, 07:19 PM

Another one checking in.......'87 Turbo-T. It's not very PT yet but i'm working on it. Here's the car..........

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2136217

Bill Howell

01-24-2006, 07:32 PM

Another one checking in.......'87 Turbo-T. It's not very PT yet but i'm working on it. Here's the car..........

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2136217
Uhmmm, I think those qualified as Protouring rght out of the factory, cool stuff. Is that adjustable boost switch factory? Never seen one like that.

Runamok

01-24-2006, 08:05 PM

I hope this car wasn't PT from the factory 'cause it's the worst handling car i've ever driven.

The dial-a-boost system was made by ATR for a short while. They're pretty rare, from what I understand. But there may be a reason for that. I'm too chicken to hook it up to the factory wastegate solonoid lol.

CRCRFT78

01-25-2006, 07:34 AM

Anyone know the casting #s for the 8.5" 10 bolt rearends available for G-bodies. Been looking at them for sale on the internet and want to make sure I'm buying the correct rear for my 78 Malibu and 86 Monte Carlo SS. Also, was posi on the 7.5" 10 bolts standard or an option on the Monte Carlo SS? THANKS!!!!
Joe

Samckitt

01-25-2006, 08:41 AM

I don't know the casting numbers, but you can tell by looking at them which one is an 8.5" or 7.5" 10 bolt. The 8.5" cover is more round, & the 7.5" has flats at the top & bottom.

The posi was an option on the Monte SS. I have seen more one leggers than I have seen posi's.

SicMonte

01-25-2006, 04:09 PM

the posi was an option...it was the G80 code.

Anyone know the casting #s for the 8.5" 10 bolt rearends available for G-bodies. Been looking at them for sale on the internet and want to make sure I'm buying the correct rear for my 78 Malibu and 86 Monte Carlo SS. Also, was posi on the 7.5" 10 bolts standard or an option on the Monte Carlo SS? THANKS!!!!
Joe

SicMonte

01-25-2006, 04:11 PM

also one more thing. Check out montecarloss.com....in their technical section there is a lil write up on the visual differences in the 7.5 and the 8.5. it is worth checking out!!

Anyone know the casting #s for the 8.5" 10 bolt rearends available for G-bodies. Been looking at them for sale on the internet and want to make sure I'm buying the correct rear for my 78 Malibu and 86 Monte Carlo SS. Also, was posi on the 7.5" 10 bolts standard or an option on the Monte Carlo SS? THANKS!!!!
Joe

Buick Motorsports

01-25-2006, 04:47 PM

Runamok

01-26-2006, 10:26 AM

Here is a pic of my g-body. I'm just getting started on it.

All the mods do far, other than the wheels, are under the car.
<img>https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/vbgarage.php?do=getimage&id=1372<img>

That looks great. Does ROH offer a G-Body specific offset for the ZS wheels? I was considering using a thirdgen F-Body offset along with some GNX wheel flares.

Buick Motorsports

01-26-2006, 01:13 PM

That looks great. Does ROH offer a G-Body specific offset for the ZS wheels? I was considering using a thirdgen F-Body offset along with some GNX wheel flares.

Those are straight out of the box ZS. Just to confirm that, the specs on those are 17x8.5 with a 4.47" backspace. The fronts sit perfect for my taste, I want to add 1/4" spacers to the back.

gmachinz

01-26-2006, 01:14 PM

Buick Motorsports

01-26-2006, 01:19 PM

That's a nice looking wheel. I almost went with ROH Snypers on my '78 before deciding on Impala SS instead. I like the charcoal finish on them...I thought about using them with a mono-chromatic theme on my '87 SS but I dunno....so many projects...and work. -Jabin

The Snyper was going to be the ones I bought until I saw the ZS Racing that was coming out. They were great because they came powdercoated, it saved me alot of money.

Runamok

01-26-2006, 02:06 PM

Those are straight out of the box ZS. Just to confirm that, the specs on those are 17x8.5 with a 4.47" backspace. The fronts sit perfect for my taste, I want to add 1/4" spacers to the back.

I currently have 4 front '91-'92 16" Camaro wheels on my T. The rears sit in way too far and look kind of goofy so I know what you're saying.

Is the "ZS Racing" decal under or above the clear-coat?

GBodyGMachine

01-26-2006, 02:10 PM

Those are straight out of the box ZS. Just to confirm that, the specs on those are 17x8.5 with a 4.47" backspace. The fronts sit perfect for my taste, I want to add 1/4" spacers to the back.

Yea, so I thought I would look up about how much those wheels cost, cause I like them. I will just say
:scared: HOLYCRAP.

Runamok

01-26-2006, 02:30 PM

Yea, so I thought I would look up about how much those wheels cost, cause I like them. I will just say
:scared: HOLYCRAP.

Hunh? You can get a set of 4 for under $1000. That's pretty inexpensive as far as decent 17" wheels go. And ROH makes a pretty decent wheel.

Ralph LoGrasso

01-26-2006, 02:36 PM

And ROH makes a pretty decent wheel.

I agree -- I've got 18" ROH RT on my SS and I'm very happy with them for the price. Their one of the highest quality "cheap" wheels out there. I would think with some shopping around you could get the 17" ZS or Snypers for around $800 a set.

Buick Motorsports

01-26-2006, 02:47 PM

I currently have 4 front '91-'92 16" Camaro wheels on my T. The rears sit in way too far and look kind of goofy so I know what you're saying.

Is the "ZS Racing" decal under or above the clear-coat?

It's under the clear.

Buick Motorsports

01-26-2006, 02:48 PM

I agree -- I've got 18" ROH RT on my SS and I'm very happy with them for the price. Their one of the highest quality "cheap" wheels out there. I would think with some shopping around you could get the 17" ZS or Snypers for around $800 a set.

www.groupawheels.com (http://www.groupawheels.com)

I got mine here...as said above for under a $1000 for the set.

Ralph LoGrasso

01-26-2006, 03:21 PM

Jason,

Yeah, Group A Wheels is the largest importer of these wheels, so they generally have the best prices. They have an afiiliate on the East Coast as well, located on Long Island. I purchased my wheels from Rons Race Shop as Group A didn't have what I needed in stock. Ron was good to deal with and the price was the same.

Runamok

01-26-2006, 03:32 PM

It's under the clear.

Damn.

Buick Motorsports

01-26-2006, 03:40 PM

Damn.

The website I listed has powdercoating services. You could price out the standard ZS wheel with the color of your choice. Hope that opens an option for you.

Ralph, I ended up with Group A as I was originally looking at the Simmons wheels. They were a little to pricey for me at the time.

The great thing about this forum is all the info shared. Referrals like this are what makes this hobby tick.

GBodyGMachine

01-26-2006, 05:57 PM

Hunh? You can get a set of 4 for under $1000. That's pretty inexpensive as far as decent 17" wheels go. And ROH makes a pretty decent wheel.

I was on a pricey website i guess. I typed ROH Wheels in a search and it took me to this site.
http://www.roh.com.au/asp/product_catalogue.asp
Look at some of the prices.

JEff

GBodyGMachine

01-26-2006, 06:02 PM

What I am looking to do is 18x9 and 18x11 . Can you get custom sizes with ROH or Simmons?

Jeff

Buick Motorsports

01-26-2006, 07:01 PM

What I am looking to do is 18x9 and 18x11 . Can you get custom sizes with ROH or Simmons?

Jeff

Hey Jeff,

ROH wheels have predetermined sizes and backspacing. Now Simmons on the other hand are custom ordered for your vehicle. Give Group A all your measurements and they will help in ordering a perfect fit for your vehicle.

Jeff Curran at Group A has outfitted numerous G-Bodies with Simmons wheels. I would suggest giveing him a call.

Ralph LoGrasso

01-26-2006, 08:30 PM

ROH wheels have predetermined sizes and backspacing.

In regards to the ROH wheels being discussed in this thread, yes they have shelf models with pre-set diameter, width and backspacing. However, ROH does offer a 3 piece line of wheels that are custom built to your specs. Such wheels as the Modena, Strada, etc. Keep in mind that their 3 piece line of wheels carries a 3-piece-wheel-price. 18x11s are around $750 per wheel.

GBodyGMachine

01-27-2006, 03:09 AM

Thanks guys

Jeff

CRCRFT78

01-28-2006, 08:04 PM

Curious to know if anyone thinks a 79 Hurst Olds w/ T-tops (only 537 made) is a good investment? And am wondering if anyone has ever seen or built a convertible Malibu? I saw 1 in Super Chevy a few years back but it only had the top cut off. Also would anyone like to try and build one? I have an extra 78 Malibu shell sitting in my yard.

Kinetic Dan

01-29-2006, 11:32 PM

Another G-Body guy here!

I have an 79 Cutlass, currently with 305 and three speed.

It's going to have a 350BHP 350, AirRide, 18/20 Coys Rodder rims, 2" drop spindles, rear disc upgrade, and a stripped out interior with cage.

downtoearth

01-30-2006, 05:54 PM

gmachinz

01-30-2006, 06:51 PM

Hmmm...11" wide out back is stretching it. I think with 10" wide and a 5" b/s is as close as you can get without some rubbing issues. If you could order wheels with an exact b/s-ing, you could get away with just trimming your wheels openings slightly-but we're talking 17x10.50" w/5" b/s I'd say. And, to go 11" wide up front you'd be limited to a 35-series tire to clear the framerail and the anti-roll bar in stock width. Careful consideration has to be taken to rear suspension mods when you max the wheel/tire width too because side to side deflection becomes an issue when you get within about a 1/2" of the framerail out back, too. -Jabin

SicMonte

01-30-2006, 09:54 PM

hmm....im having a shop do my rear frame notching and all that stuff....and my plans are to run a 335/30/18 tire out back. They say it should fit....what do you all think?

69Nova

01-30-2006, 10:27 PM

I have a quick question. How much do decent G-body's go for.

GBodyGMachine

01-31-2006, 03:06 AM

I have a quick question. How much do decent G-body's go for.

I know a guy in PA that has a GBODY Graveyard. Rolling chassis's from southern state go for 2500ish, complete t-types or GN's for 4-12,000.

You could find a good monte, or regal for around 3000-4000 depending on whats done to it.

Ebay is a good place to look.

JEff

GBodyGMachine

01-31-2006, 03:07 AM

Forgot, check GBodyParts.com

Jeff

SicMonte

01-31-2006, 07:25 AM

brian at gbodyparts.com is a really nice guy. he has hooked me up on numerous occasions

69Nova

01-31-2006, 10:56 AM

Thanks for the info. I need to do some more things to the nova now but maby later this year I might pick up a cheap rolling chassis to start my next project.

GRMCHNE78

02-21-2006, 03:46 PM

Hey guy's! Another new guy.... Though not technically a G-Body, I have a 78 Cutlass with a TBI 350 Olds and a 4 speed straight drive that I have owned for some time... and would like a more Pro-Touring look! See my Car Domain link.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/569671

Samckitt

02-21-2006, 03:56 PM

Why is a 78 Olds not a G body? Technically is it an A body? To me the body style changed in 78. There is a lot of interchangeable parts from 78 to the 80 "G" body.

Scot

GRMCHNE78

02-22-2006, 04:12 AM

It's crazy! The 78 - 88 GM midsize are all on the same platform, however for whatever reason GM did not officially classify these as "G-Bodies" until 1981. I still consider my car a G-Body...

Bill Howell

02-22-2006, 01:48 PM

It's crazy! The 78 - 88 GM midsize are all on the same platform, however for whatever reason GM did not officially classify these as "G-Bodies" until 1981. I still consider my car a G-Body...
This is news to me. I guess you learn something every day. I thought all 78-87 were g body cars.

RatMalibu

02-22-2006, 03:58 PM

78-81 were classified as A-body, in 82 they changed to G-body because they wanted to use the designation on the new FWD mid size chassis (celebrity, ciera, century)

Samckitt

02-22-2006, 05:34 PM

There is a "car lot" that I pass everyday to & from work that I noticed the other day has a black Monte SS for sale. It looks like there is no motor or trans in it just because the front end is in the sky. I will stop & check the price if anyone is interested. Oh, it is between Indianapolis & Kokomo on Highway 31.

Scot

79cutlass

03-12-2006, 01:34 PM

I'm glad I came across this topic, though a little late. I had know clue there were this many "g-body" members on here. I have a 79 Cutlass that is getting more and more pro-touring everyday. Plans include: LS6/T56, G-5 Front & Rear SC&C Suspension, Blacked out, etc.....

Bill Howell

03-12-2006, 01:39 PM

It has been said before, for a budget build, there is no beating a G body. Plentiful, good cars, and plenty of aftermarket parts. I love my bu. It is my never ending project, always changing things on it. You can build two of these cars for what you would have in one 69 camaro. I like that!

instro84

03-20-2006, 10:10 PM

another new guy here, lots of good info here:usa:

Runamok

03-21-2006, 12:10 AM

Are any of you using one of these?

http://www.scandc.com/chassisbraces.htm

I really want one but was told that don't know when they'll be making any more of the TR version. This thing makes those rinky-dink braces that most of the TR vendors sell look like dental floss.

RKHiPerformance

03-22-2006, 08:13 AM

A few more G-bodies over here...

Hotroddin''79

03-22-2006, 02:05 PM

another G-body, and one of the few wagons it seems like...:)

Wasn't exactly a Pro-touring mashine when I bought it. Drove it for about 7 years as a rolling work sketch before I started the rebuild in November '04. Hoping to get the engine started in not TOO long now:)

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stryfe101

03-31-2006, 09:30 PM

I don't currently own one but I'm a g-body fan, I had an 86 regal a few years back, now i'm currently looking for my next g-body car. maybe in the next year or 2 i'll be able to scrounge up the cash and get one. Good to see many fans here.

Gray

ScotI

04-01-2006, 07:50 AM

Hey fellas, new member here! Just trades my S10 show truck for a 79' BU and I just put my engine in it so now I'm working on suspension and wheels. I would really like the run 17x11's in the back but all I keep hereing is that it is impossible without relocating the framerail, it seems to me like all I would have to do is notch it, anybody on here have any experiance with an 11" wide wheel on a G-body? Thanks!
I purchased my buddies project listed earlier in this thread (MattA). The wheels he test fit to his car were actually mine & the backs are 20x10 w/6"bs. To make these fit, the frame rail has been narrowed to the factory 'seam'. In it's current state, it's only 1" wide. If you plan on going w/an 11" wide wheel, I would 'step' the entire frame in vs doing a notch. Now, this car will be low. If going low is not in your plan, you could get away w/just trimming the outer fender lip for the extra inch.

The way the 20x10's fit is snug but there's enough room to slide your fingers/palm through on both sides of the wheel/tire. I will definitely be running some high quality bushings out back to keep side-to-side shift to a minimum.

He was also using parts off of my old elcamino that was totaled. It has(d) 2" dropped spindles, stock a-arms w/urethane bushings, Suspension Techniques 600# springs (1" drop) & ST sway bars (1 3/8"f; 1"r).

My plan is to go bigger on the SBC (it's now got a 408 w/AFR's) & swap in a 6spd (already picked up the clutch conversion parts last week), & then add the T-type 8.5" 10-bolt rear I bought for my elco project (that I've been stepping over in the garage for 10yrs now!!). I would also like to get the SC&C G-5 pkg but I'm waiting on a group purchase or maybe a discounted price (the 6spd & that front end pkg are a big chunk of change). We actually mounted up the wheels & tires last week & rolled it out of the shop for some pics. I'll get some pics up soon....

painterdude32

04-03-2006, 06:57 PM

new guy currently building a 87 olds cutlass g-machine with a Chevy 355ci ,edelbrock performer rpm heads,weiand 144 procharger,17" billet specialties rims 17x7 front 17x8 rear on kuhmo tires 2254017/2554517, shaved handles and emblems ,Galaxy silver base/clear job, and custom black/silver interior from claysclassiccars on ebay. It can be seen on the new cars page under new-b from washington state. I plan on upgrading my lowering spring and shock set-up to: boxed trailing arms(edelbrock,hotchkis),qa1 coilovers on the front and rear, belltech spindles, A-body 12" sloted/vented rotors,wilwood calipers,hotchkis sway bars and hotchkis front a-arms.$$$ A little bit at a time. What do you guys think of this suspension set-up? Anybody have a simular set-up on a G-body?

CRCRFT78

04-03-2006, 08:18 PM

Well I was "EDUCATED" not too long ago about using the Hotchkis TUCA. But I believe that had more to do with me using b-body spindles and brakes. It sounds like you will be taking a different route wiith your brake setup though. There should be some info regarding the UCA/brake setup in the disc brake section.

CRCRFT78

04-03-2006, 08:19 PM

By the way, nice Cutlass! Glad to have you here.

Norm Peterson

04-04-2006, 02:40 AM

. . . boxed trailing arms(edelbrock,hotchkis), . . . <snip> . . . What do you guys think of this suspension set-up?That part of it has more of a drag-strip focus that comes at the expense of good behavior in really hard cornering (unless at least one end of each trailing arm is fitted with a rod end or an OE bushing instead of the usual cylindrical poly stuff).

FWIW, I don't think that 255/45 street tires will develop enough grip to put OE open section lower arms at much risk, particularly if you keep an OE-style rear sta-bar attached to them. Relatively speaking, the OE uppers are even stronger.

Norm

redss86

04-04-2006, 05:08 AM

I didn't even notice this thread. I also have a G-bodythat I am currently building. Here is some of the info:
86 Monte Carlo SS
Custom rectangle tube frame from firewall to just behind rear wheels
Truck arm rear suspension w/ weight jacks and adjustable phb
SC&C Stage 2 (don't have yet, need $$$)
Zq8 spindles
Nascar style floating 9in
custom paint
glass cowl hood
600hp 383 stroker
viper t56

Just some of the info. Still in the progress of building. Got to have $$$ before you can build. I also have two other 86 parts cars. If anybody needs some parst let me know. I do have some left. It is nice to know there are so many gbody fans on this site.

another G-body, and one of the few wagons it seems like...:)

Wasn't exactly a Pro-touring mashine when I bought it. Drove it for about 7 years as a rolling work sketch before I started the rebuild in November '04. Hoping to get the engine started in not TOO long now:)

89338931 8932 8934

Nice wagon w/ the ls1. I have thought about building a wagon. My parents have a 78 Malibu wagon sitting behind the house.

painterdude32

04-04-2006, 08:24 AM

Thanks for all the info. Looks like I'd be better off doing the b-body spindles ,hotchkis arms,b-body calipers and 12" rotors with qa1 coilovers front, and stock trailing arms, qa1 coilover conversion with larger sway-bar rear. anybody done the coilover conversion on a g-body?

gen3bu

04-04-2006, 05:37 PM

be careful with the b spindles as they cause a lot of bumpsteer problems

Hotroddin''79

04-05-2006, 12:37 AM

I was planning to do the B-body spindle swap, but when I talked with Baer to find the part# for their front system on a B-body spindle, for my G-body car, they said they discontinued this. They said they did not like the bumpstear and handeling changes.... They did not want to be part of that combo any more... Could ofcourse have modified an old B-body spindle myself, but I chose to take their advice, and went with a Belltech G-body drop spindle. I then strenghtened the lower arms for the QA1 coilovers. And use the stock upper arms for now. Have not tried neighter mine, nor a B-body spindle setup, so I'm not to say which is better though!:dunno:

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white79bu

04-05-2006, 04:22 AM

I have had the b-body spindle on my malibu for 3 or 4 years now. It handles fine. I have never noticed anything diffenent other than it was alot more stable at high speeds. Andy

CRCRFT78

04-06-2006, 07:56 PM

My parents have a 78 Malibu wagon sitting behind the house.
Do they want to sell it?

chree

04-07-2006, 06:44 AM

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
(It has been lowered since this photo.) 406 / Doug Nash 5 speed. Details here. (http://personal.atl.bellsouth.net/c/l/clindh/webpage.htm)

gmachinz

04-07-2006, 02:46 PM

I have had the B-body swap on my '78 Monte for four years now and I've not had any bumpsteer problems. I really don't understand the issues some people seem to have with them. You have to choose correct tire compound and shock valving and that is where I think people get lazy. Imo, (insert your own shock preference here) cheapos and B-body spindles don't match. I go with Bilstein shocks and swap for a higher load rated spring that is cut down about 3/4 of a coil and that seems to do the trick for us. Also, for a heavier load shock on a budget, get a shock for a late 80's F150 2wd for the front and it will fit same (virtually the same collapsed/extended length) as a stock G-body shock but with a much more aggressive valving-for a cheapy style shock, that will work for the street. -Jabin

Norm Peterson

04-07-2006, 03:15 PM

Makes sense. Allowing less vertical suspension movement will reduce the amount of steer that occurs. Perhaps your ride height is landing you in a less agressive portion of the bumpsteer curve too.

Norm

stryfe101

04-08-2006, 08:05 PM

well one thing I have learned about the bumpsteer is that when the car is lowered it will become worse mainly from the angle change in the steering geometry, where the tie rods are no longer parallel to the ground. I know that on my 240sx once the car was lowered about 3" it has become a bit of a nuesance. The solution for 240 owners(and something which I will try in the future for my car) is a set of adjustable hieght heim joint tie rod ends like these...https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
and when taken to a proficeint alignment shop can nearly eliminate the bumpsteer. I'm sure that with some work, a setup similar to this could be made for the b-body spindle swap, but i'm not sure how much it will help since i'm not too familiar with the geometry change between the two....but its a suggestion

btw..does anyone know if someone makes some spherical bearing suspension components for the great g-body's? I was always told many years ago that you'd be considered crazy to want to drive around on a spherical bearing equipped car, and now that I do(well 50% of my suspension is sperical bearings) I love em..anyway not sure if this helps much but I just threw it out there to see..

Thanks
Gray

Norm Peterson

04-09-2006, 05:39 AM

I think the problem is that the steering arm on the G-body is too low already, and dropping either the steering arms themselves (which I think the B-body spindles do) or the outer tierod pivot (via spacers and long studs) only makes matters worse. Suspensions with roll centers at or below ground level generally require somewhat different details than those with RC's that are 3" or so above grade as with most MacStruts.

Marcus at www.scandc.com is probably the person to ask about this particular detail, though I will say that his solution is to keep the G spindle and use long stud upper and lower balljoints, and adjustable upper control arms with a little more +caster dialed in to further raise the tierod pivot height.

Bumpsteer seems to be a funny thing. Some people readily notice it, while others never do.

Norm

redss86

04-09-2006, 12:29 PM

Do they want to sell it?

I don't know, I doubt it. Besides, I think you could find one closer to you in better condition. I am located in IL.

80superbu

04-12-2006, 06:30 PM

Just saw this post. I'm building an 80 Malibu with a turbo LS1 motor. Car is ready to accept motor setup but I'm still getting my fuel system and turbo piping together.

mone

04-12-2006, 08:10 PM

any pic?

SickSpeedMonte

04-23-2006, 09:38 AM

a buddy of mine has a 6 speed in his...so nice. I say do it.

I dont know what you are talking about....:screwy:

btw, here is my project

http://www.sickspeedmonte.cjb.cc/Home.htm

Clean Cut Creations

04-24-2006, 08:19 AM

Finally a site that gives a crap about the style of my 80 cutlass!!!! I have owned this car since '84. This car started as a regular PRO STREET car and I got tired of getting pulled over by cops because they thought I was running slicks. I was running a 33x21.5 M/T. Now the car is more of the pro touring look on airride with 20s and 18s. That changed the whole look of the car! It is running a 400+ hp small block chevy smoothed and painted purple to match the chassis parts. trans is a 700r4 with a 3500 stall converter It has a back halved rear on an otherwise stock frame.Completely fabbed narrowed rear 2x4 box tube rails from the doors back. Alston Chassisworks three link ladder bar set up on a narrowed ''70 chevy 12 bolt posi with 456 gears. Gas tank has been moved to the trunk. Dropped front lower control arms and 2"dropped spindles. Shockwaves front and rear. Airride Technologies 4 way ride pro with big red 3/8 valves two 5 gal air tanks and a viair compressor.Switches are in the dash where the clock was. The chassis has been done since '93 and the paint has been done since '97. Make sure you check out the headlights.........they are from an '87 chevy celibrity with trim rings that I scratch built. They have "REAL" H.I.D. bulbs pirated from an 03 BMW. Go to this link to see build pics.http://www.cleancutcreations.com/old_gallery5.html

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SickSpeedMonte

04-24-2006, 08:29 AM

wow man, nice car! How much time did your e.t. pick up when you switched over?

Clean Cut Creations

04-24-2006, 10:36 AM

wow man, nice car! How much time did your e.t. pick up when you switched over?

The car leaves straighter and I can control the chassis better with the airride. The last time I had it at the track the car ran low 12s and it spun to about 7200 out of first and I never got out of second. I love the 700r4 with the deep first combined with the stall, 456 gear and 31 inch tall rear tires. Remember this car has no cage and was built with all steel floors, tubs and parts....so it's really heavy.

RatMalibu

04-24-2006, 11:26 AM

Nice Cutty.....looking through your page...I haven't seen one of the black and yellow personalized plates in forever lol.....did you have it out at the KSHE show? I missed it unfortunatly, sounded like a good time

Clean Cut Creations

04-24-2006, 12:09 PM

We didn't get to go the kshe show but I heard it was a good time.

painterdude32

04-24-2006, 06:48 PM

Hey John at Clean Cut Creations, Please check out my ride at:www.cardomain.com/ride/2052251Your cutlass is the nicest I've seen. Do you have any pics of your engine compartment. I want get rid of my plastic inner fenders. Do you know if there are any steel ones available for g-body cars? I really like your style. especially you wheel selection.

Clean Cut Creations

04-26-2006, 04:18 AM

Hey John at Clean Cut Creations, Please check out my ride at:www.cardomain.com/ride/2052251 (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2052251)Your cutlass is the nicest I've seen. Do you have any pics of your engine compartment. I want get rid of my plastic inner fenders. Do you know if there are any steel ones available for g-body cars? I really like your style. especially you wheel selection.

I don't know if I have any current pics of the engine compartment. I'll have to look. The block is painted the same color as the chassis parts with billet flamed valve covers. My inner fenders are smoothed and painted the blue top color to match the firewall and core support.
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