67 Camaro Brake recommendation

[rlovell383]

Been out of this game for a while but I'm getting the old whip back on the road and want to upgrade the brakes.
Currently running Wilwood Dynalite 11 inch front disks(great luck with them) and stock drums in back (I used to have stock 15 inch rallyes).
Over the years I've made considerable suspension mods and the car handles very well, and the brakes are the last piece of the puzzle. Its a street car but I want capability to run occasional track days and autocross.
I have 17 inch rims, drum brake spindles, 8.5 inch 10 bolt rear with Strange C clip eliminator axles with large needle bearing ends.
Future upgrades might include the Global West tall billet spindles when they are released. I have a homemade Hydroboost adapted from a late model Cobra Mustang.

I was considering this combination.....

http://wilwood.com/BrakeKits/BrakeKitsProdFront.aspx?itemno=140-9803-DR&year=1967&make=Chevrolet&model=Camaro&option=Drum+Brake+Front

http://wilwood.com/BrakeKits/BrakeKitsProdRear.aspx?itemno=140-5236-DR

I don't mind spending a bit more as money isn't the top factor but need to keep it reasonable. I needs to fit behind 17 inch rims though and be usable with my rear end/axle combo.

Any suggestions from the experts?

[Schwartz Performance]

I would recommend the same kit up front.
The rear kit you chose doesn't have a parking brake- not sure if you need one or not, but FYI.

Otherwise it's a good, lightweight system.

Let us know if you'd like a quote on them.

-Dale

[rlovell383]

I would recommend the same kit up front.
The rear kit you chose doesn't have a parking brake- not sure if you need one or not, but FYI.

Otherwise it's a good, lightweight system.

Let us know if you'd like a quote on them.

-Dale

Thanks for the input. Feel free to quote me. It will be a few weeks before I can pull the trigger on them.

I see Wilwood advertises a .3 inch track offset increase up front. Do you know if that rear kit changes the track as well?

I don't need a parking brake setup.

[Schwartz Performance]

The rotor hat is a tiny bit thicker than the drum, so it might push it about .1-.2 out, but that's it.

Also you'll need new 1/2" lug nuts up front since that's the only size stud the Wilwood hubs come with.
I'll send you a quote tomorrow.

-Dale

[rlovell383]

The rotor hat is a tiny bit thicker than the drum, so it might push it about .1-.2 out, but that's it.

Also you'll need new 1/2" lug nuts up front since that's the only size stud the Wilwood hubs come with.
I'll send you a quote tomorrow.

-Dale

I have 1/2" lug nuts on the front already. My existing Wilwoods are 1/2 inch threaded.

Does that kit sandwich the caliper bracket in between the bearing and the axle end?

[F-Body International]

I was actually at Strange Engineering this week discussing the 8.5 10 bolt rear end for my application. The main thing you will have to do is pick a kit that works with your c clip eliminator. On mine, I was not able to run the '98-'02 F-Body brakes because of the interference with the c clip eliminator. Give Strange a call to see what's their recommended kit for your setup.

[rlovell383]

I was actually at Strange Engineering this week discussing the 8.5 10 bolt rear end for my application. The main thing you will have to do is pick a kit that works with your c clip eliminator. On mine, I was not able to run the '98-'02 F-Body brakes because of the interference with the c clip eliminator. Give Strange a call to see what's their recommended kit for your setup.

Thanks for the tip. It seems options are much more limited with the c clip eliminators. What did you end up using on your car?

[rlovell383]

Turns out the kits worked! Took forever to have them drop shipped from Wilwood. Everything fits and clears my 17 inch rims.

Question:
I have a original style master cylinder from my disk/drum setup. I cant seem to find info on whether or not it will work with 4 wheel disks?
I know I need to remove the combination valve, and I plan to use a distribution block for the front and adjustable proportioning valve in the back.

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[camarodude87]

More info on this. Im in the same boat. I want to ditch the rear drums. How did you determine the axle offset you wanted to do with? Please let me know what you chance with your M/C. I believe you will need to get a Disk/Disk M/C

[rlovell383]

More info on this. Im in the same boat. I want to ditch the rear drums. How did you determine the axle offset you wanted to do with? Please let me know what you chance with your M/C. I believe you will need to get a Disk/Disk M/C

You have C clip eliminator axles also? The Wilwood website has some serious misprints FYI. The 2.91 axle offset they require is incorrect. I think it is 2.83 or so factory dimensions, which is what my Strange axles were specced at.
Also, the axle flange bolt dimensions they advertise are incorrect. You have no idea how much I stressed over this. In any case everything fits out of the box.

I will most likely get a new master to be safe. The only difference (from what I understand) between a disk/drum and disk/disk master is the disk/drum one has a built in residual pressure valve which you cant use with disks. I'm looking at this Speedway Motors aluminum master cylinder:

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Aluminum-Master-Cylinder-w-Stainless-Bore,50598.html

[AMC Racer]

May want to check this thread on master sizing with the 6 piston Superlites. Need to size the master & booster to match the calipers.
https://www.pro-touring.com/threads/120232-Finally-installed-new-brakes-stops-worse-then-stock-Please-help

Not sure about the 4.04 sq.in piston area Superlite6 in the front with the 3.0 sq.in. Dynalite in the rear? Did the vendor say this combo was a good match? The rear Dynalite kits usually match up reasonably well to stock large piston area calipers or to their Dynalite or DynaPro6 front kits ... not as well to the small area FNSL6R kit.

[rlovell383]

May want to check this thread on master sizing with the 6 piston Superlites. Need to size the master & booster to match the calipers.
https://www.pro-touring.com/threads/120232-Finally-installed-new-brakes-stops-worse-then-stock-Please-help

Not sure about the 4.04 sq.in piston area Superlite6 in the front with the 3.0 sq.in. Dynalite in the rear? Did the vendor say this combo was a good match? The rear Dynalite kits usually match up reasonably well to stock large piston area calipers or to their Dynalite or DynaPro6 front kits ... not as well to the small area FNSL6R kit.


Thanks for the link. That guy has a significantly different setup than what I'm running. Hopefully I end up with better results..

I was previously running Wilwood 4 piston dynalite fronts (11 inch, 4.8 sq. inch pistons) combined with my mustang hydroboost, rear drums and 1 inch master cylinder. The brakes were excellent and the pedal was pretty firm with LOADS of power.
I spoke to Wilwood directly and then said it would pair up well and he initially recommended a 1 1/8th master with it, although he said he normally specs it for a GM Hydroboost. With mine being the lower power Mustang one he thought sticking with the 1 inch master would be good.

[AMC Racer]

Sorry, missed the hydroboost part ... should work fine if it was ok before and sticking with a 1" master. Good you've got an adjustable proportioning valve to tune in the rear.

[rlovell383]

Sorry, missed the hydroboost part ... should work fine if it was ok before and sticking with a 1" master. Good you've got an adjustable proportioning valve to tune in the rear.


I never actually did the arithmetic with piston area and master cylinder size. I'm just going with combos I've seen online and my gut. :)

I figure I should be able to dial it in with the adjustable valve.