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TonyL
11-02-2005, 08:22 AM
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Once the pics are open, click on "full page mode" at the bottom of the page to see them even bigger.

TonyL
11-02-2005, 08:23 AM
I gotta say, the baldwin-motion camaro's back wheels are a huge disappointment. I was looking forward to the super deep wheels in Kris's rendering. The Charger is freaking awesome!

Looking good bill. Nice stang Kris!


More pics to follow soon. If anyone wants the super high rez pics, PM me.

Travis B
11-02-2005, 08:30 AM
Great pics Bill thanks for sharing but I think we need some more!

69Nova
11-02-2005, 09:04 AM
Bill's car looks great. That Charger is so cool, I need one of those.

Andrew Petty

sam1
11-02-2005, 09:17 AM
Bill... I want my GTO back!

Ralph LoGrasso
11-02-2005, 03:27 PM
Thanks for the pics. The baldwin motion camaro is awesome, except for those wheels. I don't mind wheels with no dish on them, but those just don't look right. Not a fan of the overall design on them either way. A quick wheel swap and :icon996:


And what is this madness?! Bill is actually driving the Goat? Where is the trailer?! :lmao: :rotfl:

Wildron
11-02-2005, 03:46 PM
car looks great bill.thought you went to vegas for sema.from the pics it looks like your cruzing the country side.

BMF Machine
11-04-2005, 11:01 PM
:kewlpics: Badass GTO!

Kevin:revto9k:

kmcanally
11-05-2005, 05:36 AM
the baldwin-motion camaro's back wheels are a huge disappointment

I agree...thats the first thing you notice when you see that car...way bad for a car with such a gorgeous body. Is it just me or are the lines on that car "accentuated"?

KrisHorton
11-05-2005, 08:42 PM
As the designer of the car, I was majorly disappointed in the rear wheels. Everything else on the car came out very nice. I think if they had it to do over again, they would have narrowed the rear end like several of us suggested in the first place. It was well-received though and that makes me happy! People really seemed to like my Mustang too, despite the fact it was one of at least 100 there.

Kris

baz67
11-05-2005, 08:46 PM
These are just two of the over two hundred pics I took at the PHR shoot on Bill "the poser" Howell's "Billygoat" today. I would post more, but that would ruin all the fun. :smoke:

69rs
11-05-2005, 08:57 PM
Shouldn't Bill's car have the green Tennessee hills in the background instead of desert?!? :dunno:

TonyL
11-05-2005, 09:36 PM
Is it just me or are the lines on that car "accentuated"?

they sure are. that front fender one originally ended about 1/3 of the way down, not over half. looks like both fenders have been widened.

KrisHorton
11-05-2005, 10:18 PM
looks like both fenders have been widened.

Understatement of 2005 right there. :1st:

Haha, you have to see it in person to get the full effect, but the car was widened something like 6" or more. It's insane, but nicely executed to the point where it all still flows nice.

Kris

yody
11-05-2005, 10:27 PM
Baldwin camaro was crazy, rims sucked big time though, and a few other details, but it was way better than expected!
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TonyL
11-06-2005, 12:11 AM
wow. Yody's first pic shows how wrong that wheel choice is. Im guessing that guy has caught a huge amount of flack since the debut. whats worse, is the renderings all over showing it the way it should have been.

Hindsight. I sure hope they fix it. i bet it'll cripple sales.

KrisHorton
11-06-2005, 12:46 AM
I think they may actually fix it because everyone kinda turned to me and said "Well? What do you think?" And all I said is "...I don't dig the rear wheels, but other than that, I love it!"

As far as it crippling sales...I doubt it. Rumor has it that cars #2,3, and possibly even 4 and 5 are spoken for. Rear wheel dish doesn't swing a buyer interested in this car. They are more concerned with Joel Rosen's name being on the car.

Either way though, the rear wheels need to change.

Kris

ProdigyCustoms
11-06-2005, 02:52 AM
I heard 12 was gone also. I do not think they will fix this one as it will require a total backhalf job. It will be fairly simple to change it on future cars.

kmcanally
11-06-2005, 06:01 AM
If you look at one the pics in this thread starter you can see Kris' rendering on the monitor in the lower right hand of the pic...it shows the originally designed deep dish wheel.

Steve Chryssos
11-06-2005, 06:06 AM
Never mind the Motion Camaro. Look at that cool photo that Johnny was taking of the Billygoat. (The second pic) The desert lighting is perfect! I smell a cover.

vanzuuk1
11-06-2005, 07:02 AM
I like the widened motion car, it looks good that way. The details on the car are nice but i dont like red interiors, just my taste.

The goat looks happy on the road , have some fun with it.

chicane67
11-06-2005, 03:10 PM
The Baldwin Motion '69........ the new King of Bling. :dunno:

And speaking of 'design'....... dont you mean that you were disapointed as the "renderer" of the car Kris ???????

It maybe a good 'design' but the execution doesnt follow it. Narrowing its IRS to fit the renderings wheels would destroy any quality of a driveable suspension.

Looks like another beautiful trailer queen to me.........

KrisHorton
11-06-2005, 03:41 PM
The Baldwin Motion '69........ the new King of Bling. :dunno:

And speaking of 'design'....... dont you mean that you were disapointed as the "renderer" of the car Kris ???????

It maybe a good 'design' but the execution doesnt follow it. Narrowing its IRS to fit the renderings wheels would destroy any quality of a driveable suspension.

Looks like another beautiful trailer queen to me.........

Way to sound like a douche. :lol:

Baldwin-Motion cars have always been built to be over-the-top but still fully functional and potent as hell on the road. I'd wait and see what kind of performance it turns out before calling it a trailer queen.

Not sure what you mean by the "renderer" comment. They billed me as the designer because I "designed" the look of the car. Last time I checked, that's what it meant...forgive me if I'm throwing the term around too carelessly though. :hmm:

Kris

yody
11-06-2005, 03:52 PM
Kris, to be the desinger would mean that you single handedly had control over what the entire look of the car was, would mean that you came up with all the custom looks with some input from owners. Now if they told you they wanted a rendering of a 69 camaro that was lowered, had custom flared rear and front fenders, custom vents on rear quarter, the old school hood, red paint with silver single stripe etc. And you just made the rendering and asked if that is what they wanted, then no you wouldn't be the designer. However it is just a techincality. I figure it was something just inbetween. But heres a question to ponder. Would all the guys who had you do their renderings call you their designer also? Anyway who cares? Those rear quarters with teh vents were the highlight of the car for me!!!!!

KrisHorton
11-06-2005, 03:57 PM
Would all the guys who had you do their renderings call you their designer also? Anyway who cares?

You're right on there. I rarely say I "designed" a car and don't call my site "Horton Design" or anything like that. More often than not, it's all done on input from the owner/customer. In instances where a great deal or all of the design was done by me, I'll call myself the designer. I think that's fair. When Joel Rosen and Bill Goldberg call me the designer in a press conference, I think it's only fair to go along with it.

Kris

yody
11-06-2005, 04:26 PM
hey I wouldn't argue with them either lol.

68fusion
11-06-2005, 04:37 PM
To bling or not bling....that is the question...me personally I like a no dish wheel ( or very little) Like the lookof the car - but also agree wheel choice needs help. You have this super detailed car and then these rather average wheels. Was this particular car "decked out" for sema or is that what all of this collection will look like? Price?

chicane67
11-06-2005, 05:22 PM
When Joel Rosen and Bill Goldberg call me the designer in a press conference, I think it's only fair to go along with it.

Kris

Talk about sounding like a douche. Thats like Gore saying that he invented the internet..... and that its only fair that we're all going to go along with it.

Another point.... did you also design the interrior ? How about the suspension ? ....and how about the drivetrain ?

Ok, :wedgie: I guess I'm not just gonna go along with the "designer" self proclamation either.....

KrisHorton
11-06-2005, 06:25 PM
Talk about sounding like a douche. Thats like Gore saying that he invented the internet..... and that its only fair that we're all going to go along with it.

Another point.... did you also design the interrior ? How about the suspension ? ....and how about the drivetrain ?

Ok, :wedgie: I guess I'm not just gonna go along with the "designer" self proclamation either.....

You're making it sound like I'm the only person to ever do this. Thus, you sound like a douche. Douche. :ripped:

Okay, all kidding aside...no I didn't design the suspension or engine. The suspension was based on Staveski's Six Shooter and the motor was a collaboration with Bill Mitchell. It was a team effort and I will be the first to say that. Would the term "stylist" be more appropriate? That's how I'm billed in the press release and that's more than okay with me. I don't need to be called the designer.

yody
11-06-2005, 06:29 PM
I think you have to be gay to be called a stylist, are you trying to tell us something :)???

chicane67
11-06-2005, 06:30 PM
Hey douche, dont call me a douche..... ya douche.

Naw, its all good Kris. We didnt really get to rib cody enough this year at SEMA so we choose you, cuz you guys were too loud to finish the paint work on the other car. :poke:

KrisHorton
11-06-2005, 06:37 PM
I think you have to be gay to be called a stylist, are you trying to tell us something :)???

:dunno:

Stylist does sound kinda gay...perhaps...dunno...artist? Damn. I'm a man without a title...

KrisHorton
11-06-2005, 06:39 PM
We didnt really get to rib cody enough this year at SEMA so we choose you, cuz you guys were too loud to finish the paint work on the other car. :poke:

Don't remind me...that car's f*cking cursed.

trapin
11-15-2005, 04:09 AM
Can I jump in here for a sec?

I would say Kris could be called the Designer of the Baldwin Motion Camaro...and here's why.

Ironically, several years ago they tried pinning the title 'Stylist' on the Designers over at Design Center and there was a small uproar over there about it. It stemmed from the fact that the term "Designer" was being used kinda loosely at GM. I'm a Designer for GM but I don't draw pictures nor could I do what Kris Horten does. I do mathmatical surface design which means that I take the clay surface and build it into an actual part. Because during the process certain attributes of the part will change once criteria gets involved, they give me the term Designer because I will actually have to change the part in the process of making it a production piece. Case in point...the outside rear view mirrors on the H3 are practically my design. When I started the job the clay piece that I had was in such violation in wind tunnel testing that they basically gave me free reign to change it to comply. I worked closely with Aero to finish the piece and when it was done it bared no resemblance whatsoever to the clay part I started with. There are other examples of this scenerio throughout GM in Production, Body In White, Packaging, etc. But that's the title they gave me as a Surface Designer. The guys in the studios are now called "Creative Designers" and we are just simply called "Designers". So when Kris says he's the Designer, he's probably correct. They didn't draw him a picture and say, "here....copy this". They had to give him a general idea of what they wanted and it was up to Kris to bring it to fruition.

Been there, man. Been there.

Zefhix
11-16-2005, 07:35 PM
This thread turned interesting.......I agree, though, that the term is circumstancial. If Kris is given creative control to render whatever he feels will be cool (and they build that) then by all means he's the designer. If, however, the design was dictated and Kris was instructed how to render the car, then he merely was commisioned to render someone elses' design. I would only say that there needs to be distinction because a few people may feel he's trying to credit himself for their time and thought as alternatively he may feel he's not getting credit for his time and thought.

ow, that hurt..... ;)

Bill Howell
11-16-2005, 07:45 PM
ow, that hurt..... ;)
Stop bumping that finger fool........lol

Bob Johnson
12-22-2005, 08:05 PM
As the designer of the car, I was majorly disappointed in the rear wheels. Everything else on the car came out very nice. I think if they had it to do over again, they would have narrowed the rear end like several of us suggested in the first place. It was well-received though and that makes me happy! People really seemed to like my Mustang too, despite the fact it was one of at least 100 there.

Kris
We had originally set the Cuda's ride height, had the offset we wanted on the wheels etc..then we changed brakes late in the build..they required so much caliper clearance that we lost our positive front wheel offset. Chris Itoh redesigned the wheels to make the almost zero positive offset look right..after seeing the finished product, I wish I had made the rear end wider and took some of that rear wheel positive offset out. Only set of no offset nostalga style wheels I have really liked..I just couldn't understand the 25 series rear tires on the Motion Camaro.. he also only had a 305 or so on the rear and with a 25 aspect, that's a short tire..I had a 29.5 inch tall rear tire on my 69 Camaro. We wanted 345X35X20 for the rear of the Cuda..it needs a little more diameter.. we had room for a little more width, but you can't find what you want in most cases..plus the tires we have on it come off the Porsche Carrera GT Supercar..rated well over 200MPH..

paul67
12-23-2005, 02:08 AM
Look at interior designers, they just put forward drawing and ideas for other people then put those ideas in to reality , same with architect cause remember when the building looks crap or good who get the praise or blame , so i would say kris is a desiger and thats by def in the dictionary as well.
paul67

1970cuda
12-23-2005, 10:24 AM
concidering the people and money involved i would be fine if i was call the dude who changed the urinal cakes for the baldwin project. to be involved in the project would be honor enough

lftnwhls
12-26-2005, 05:44 PM
My question is since Kris designed the car did he get to take it for a drive?


Is it worht the large price tag?

I think I will build my own for less!

ProdigyCustoms
12-26-2005, 06:44 PM
It does not run yet

Bob Johnson
12-30-2005, 07:33 PM
It does not run yet
Frank..what did you think of the Baldwin Motion Camaro?

Doug Cooper
01-11-2006, 08:11 PM
Bob, it's not my taste! too muchbling, I like the more understated cars.

Bob Johnson
01-11-2006, 08:27 PM
Bob, it's not my taste! too muchbling, I like the more understated cars.
pretty bold coming from a hip hop noo yawker walkin round wit a diamond/ruby encrusted pimp stick and a new grill of diamonds and platinum in his pie hole..