Looks like "the Prodigy" is in the pro touring buisness

[XLexusTech]

Just saw posts from the Jr member of prodigy customs on Facebook looking for a first gen for a customer who wants to do a pro-touring camaro....

it it set shivers down my spine...and now I am blocked.... First gen camaro connection on FB....

caveat emptor if it's anyone here !!!!

[Build-It-Break-It]

Wow. .. The balls on that guy. ...

[TheJDMan]

Interesting, when you click on Michael Serafine's facebook page it lists a couple of our senior members as mutual friends. Looks like there are a number of folks on that group who have not forgotten Prodigy.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/246654792170189/

[XLexusTech]

Interesting, when you click on Michael Serafine's facebook page it lists a couple of our senior members as mutual friends. Looks like there are a number of folks on that group who have not forgotten Prodigy.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/246654792170189/

I wish I could see... Mysteriously I got blocked after asking if Prodigy was back in business

[DB Z28]

Their is a lot a people looking for Frank I hate to be him.

[BonzoHansen]

You got booted from the fgcc group on fb? Why? Just because you asked about the old shop?

[TheJDMan]

Well I suspect the First Gen Camaro group admin may know the Serafines since he is from the same area of FL where Prodigy was located and he seems to be censoring negative replies to Michael Serafine's posts.

[XLexusTech]

Well I suspect the First Gen Camaro group admin may know the Serafines since he is from the same area of FL where Prodigy was located and he seems to be censoring negative replies to Michael Serafine's posts.
Yes that's my theory to since I sent a PM as well... Something about these guys getting away with ripping off so many just drive me nuts... I was supposed to meet Frank in Fla with a big parts purchase in mind... Went another route... Dodged a bullet but it' was close

[BonzoHansen]

Well I suspect the First Gen Camaro group admin may know the Serafines since he is from the same area of FL where Prodigy was located and he seems to be censoring negative replies to Michael Serafine's posts.

Ugh

[snappytravis]

I can see the post, I like the comment of someone asking if he is going to build it with the tools his dad gave him after stealing money from all those people! I almost lost some,, thank god for a good bank that filed a dispute and got my money back. So sad for the rest of the people..

[Rod]

Well I suspect the First Gen Camaro group admin may know the Serafines since he is from the same area of FL where Prodigy was located and he seems to be censoring negative replies to Michael Serafine's posts.

dont jump to conclusions..I know Alan (one of the page founders) very well and he lives in Australia not Florida I will touch base with him

[68Cuda440]

He is looking for a Florida car... he would not want to do transactions across state lines I suppose. If someone was looking for him they could find him pretty easy, just tell him you want to sell him a '69 Camaro.

[TheJDMan]

dont jump to conclusions..I know Alan (one of the page founders) very well and he lives in Australia not Florida I will touch base with him

Rod,
I was referring to a Richard J. who lives in FL. He must be a co-admin of that group. But if you know Alan you might inform him of the Serafines past.

[Rod]

Rod,
I was referring to a Richard J. who lives in FL. He must be a co-admin of that group. But if you know Alan you might inform him of the Serafines past.

Trackside Suzy was in contact with Alan as I was writing my response last night and I will be sure that he is WELL informed of there prior deceptive activities.....I'm a member of about 40 FB pages dealing with camaros and pro-touring out there...I also watch for those individuals that have come and gone through LG, PT, LS1T, CC and others....I did see that Michael Serafine was posting now after not posting on FB for about a year

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

I still am a little sour that I got took from purchasing a moser rear from that guy...

I cant believe hes trying to come back... but then again.. Henessey did.. lol.

[Bowtie racing]

I still am a little sour that I got took from purchasing a moser rear from that guy...

I cant believe hes trying to come back... but then again.. Henessey did.. lol.

Never understood how is it was possible.

[Bill Howell]

I wish I could see... Mysteriously I got blocked after asking if Prodigy was back in business

I am assuming you are talking about me here.
1. I have known Michael since he was in high school.
2. Yes, I am friends with him on Facebook as I am with 1200 other people, didn't know I needed to defend that fact.


I have not talked to Frank in about three years, I don't have his number nor do I know what he is doing or working any more. I understand that Michael has a shop (different name and location) and runs it on his own.
He has talent, he knows how to fix cars and he is trying to make it on his own. He father's bad decisions certainly probably hurts those efforts, but for us to bash the fact that he is in business IMO isn't right.
We all have family that do things that make us ashamed to be associated with them, remember that before turning this thread into another PC hatefest.

[Hard2core]

Then i have the perfect car for him

A 1969 camaro convertible that both Michael and Frank worked extensively on and its still sitting in Florida.

Surely Michael would want to buy a car in which 100k went into it that he did the bodywork on

http://screaminperformance.com/gallery/Current%20Projects/Dante's%20Camaro/index.html

Ive asked to join that facebook page and Ive still not been granted access (so maybe there is a collusion).

I want to offer my car up to Michael

[snappytravis]

Apple usually doesn't fall to far from the tree,,

[andrewb70]

Apple usually doesn't fall to far from the tree,,

Here is hoping that your father or any other relative didn't ever do anything that wasn't so savory...

Andrew

[Removed user as requested]

Then i have the perfect car for him

A 1969 camaro convertible that both Michael and Frank worked extensively on and its still sitting in Florida.

Surely Michael would want to buy a car in which 100k went into it that he did the bodywork on

http://screaminperformance.com/gallery/Current%20Projects/Dante's%20Camaro/index.html

Ive asked to join that facebook page and Ive still not been granted access (so maybe there is a collusion).

I want to offer my car up to Michael

I hope that white/biege/cream/offwhite (whatever you wanna call it) Camaro is not yours.

What kind of work is that?

A shiny rust can with good things placed over the top of bad... that reminds me of the guy that stole my Challenger. Paid for a rear quarter to get done, his worker welded a sheet of metal right on-top of the entire rusted section and hoped to just file the sides of the raised bit that he pretty much glued on-top of the rust.

That guy was on drugs that did that.

So ****ty that its so hard to find honest people in the automotive industry.

[ModernMuseum]

Here is hoping that your father or any other relative didn't ever do anything that wasn't so savory...

Andrew


I am assuming you are talking about me here.
1. I have known Michael since he was in high school.
2. Yes, I am friends with him on Facebook as I am with 1200 other people, didn't know I needed to defend that fact.


I have not talked to Frank in about three years, I don't have his number nor do I know what he is doing or working any more. I understand that Michael has a shop (different name and location) and runs it on his own.
He has talent, he knows how to fix cars and he is trying to make it on his own. He father's bad decisions certainly probably hurts those efforts, but for us to bash the fact that he is in business IMO isn't right.
We all have family that do things that make us ashamed to be associated with them, remember that before turning this thread into another PC hatefest.

*Lays "Jump to Conclusions" mat on the floor* Hrmm...I wonder where all the tools in Michael's shop came from.

As someone who got screwed by Frank, it's difficult to have much sympathy for his son opening up an identical business and grooming his FB page to make it seem like nothing shady happened at his previous place of employment, which just happened to be opened by his dad.

Whatever...if he really wanted to start fresh with an untarnished reputation, he probably should have jumped states. I don't think it's erroneous for the average guy on here to at least think that Frank is lurking somewhere in the background. It wouldn't hurt for him to just come clean with what happened and move on rather than trying to pretend everything is eggs benedict and strawberries.

Perhaps I would see this differently if I was a better person...or I didn't get completely shafted by Frank. :)

[Mark Antrim]

Its hard to quit and do something torally different when its your passion and your good at it. Woot that being said, I can see why Michael would open up his own shop. I don't ever recall in the past that they said Michael screwed them over, it was always Frank's name because it was his business. We shouldn't bash him because of what his dad did to some of us. Its good to give a heads up but thats it.

[raustinss]

Sometimes the apple doesn't fall far from the tree...other times it does, rolls downhill into a fresh pile of cow manure

[Hard2core]

I hope that white/biege/cream/offwhite (whatever you wanna call it) Camaro is not yours.

What kind of work is that?

A shiny rust can with good things placed over the top of bad... that reminds me of the guy that stole my Challenger. Paid for a rear quarter to get done, his worker welded a sheet of metal right on-top of the entire rusted section and hoped to just file the sides of the raised bit that he pretty much glued on-top of the rust.

That guy was on drugs that did that.

So ****ty that its so hard to find honest people in the automotive industry.

That is my car, paid 100k to Serafine father and son to make it into a kickass pro touring car. Thats what I got. a glossy paint job over the worst work ever.

[Hard2core]

*Lays "Jump to Conclusions" mat on the floor* Hrmm...I wonder where all the tools in Michael's shop came from.

As someone who got screwed by Frank, it's difficult to have much sympathy for his son opening up an identical business and grooming his FB page to make it seem like nothing shady happened at his previous place of employment, which just happened to be opened by his dad.

Whatever...if he really wanted to start fresh with an untarnished reputation, he probably should have jumped states. I don't think it's erroneous for the average guy on here to at least think that Frank is lurking somewhere in the background. It wouldn't hurt for him to just come clean with what happened and move on rather than trying to pretend everything is eggs benedict and strawberries.

Perhaps I would see this differently if I was a better person...or I didn't get completely shafted by Frank. :)

I believe Frank works in the background at that shop outside of the books. I was also notified that Frank was a big part of bringing a car sold at the Mecum auctions recently. Do you know what I would do if i was Michael? I would tell you exactly what I would do. I would contact every single person that his father screwed over, we are not hard to find.....and I would make things right somehow.
a) Do everyones cars for a tiny bit over cost...be transparent and show everyone on these boards and all over the place how he (Michael) made everything right and charged a little bit over cost and made everyones cars correct.
b) What this would do for Michaels business is transform it....he would no longer have to run from that last name, he could come on all these forums again and be looked at like "a good guy" who did the right thing. The notoriety he would get for doing such good deeds and the documented photographed workmanship would transform his business. He would be highly talked about, publicized and have so much business after cleaning up his dads mess he wouldnt know how to keep up with all the business.

Thats the right thing to do.

In fact you friends of Michael can tell him straight on out about what Im suggesting here...and ill be the first person to laud him as "doing the right thing" all over the place....and giving him credit where credit is due if he actually does it. I have a car sitting in Florida that Im frozen on. I cant do anything with it because i spent 133 thousand dollars and got a piece of trash. I cant start fathom starting from scratch again after spending 133k so im frozen in my tracks with it. Heres my suggestion Michael....Take my car and get me a body/roller so I can complete this car. I dont need a paint job I dont need a finished pro touring car....just get me as legitimately as far as you can for a little above cost....so I can actually do something with this car project that I dropped off to you guys in March of 2009.

[ErikLS2]

C'mon now, there's no profit in that.

[XLexusTech]

I couldn’t agree with the the perspective that owning up to ones mistakes is a fundamental part of being forgiven. Taking responsibility for things you are either complacent of or participated in would fall into a “you own it” category in my book. Ignoring the situation and just hoping it will go away over time won’t do it.
Throwing out pure speculation here, but I believe that ALL of the Prodigy team were well aware of the realities of the work that was bing done and the customers that were being taken advantage of. I would go as far as to say some of the methods used will be repeated in the future and it’s learned behavior. (see Apple tree analogy)
I also agree with others in speculating that behind the current scene's the same players are involved in the “New” venture.
Lastly and this is more ask than anything. My preference would be that this community should go out of their way to help others avoid being scammed in the future. Especially by known perpetrators or their cohorts by whatever legal means possible.

What this community should NOT be doing, and this is my opinion alone, is defending or dismissing the actions of anyone on the perpetrator side of these situations.

[Bill Howell]

*Lays "Jump to Conclusions" mat on the floor* Hrmm...I wonder where all the tools in Michael's shop came from.

As someone who got screwed by Frank, it's difficult to have much sympathy for his son opening up an identical business and grooming his FB page to make it seem like nothing shady happened at his previous place of employment, which just happened to be opened by his dad.

Whatever...if he really wanted to start fresh with an untarnished reputation, he probably should have jumped states. I don't think it's erroneous for the average guy on here to at least think that Frank is lurking somewhere in the background. It wouldn't hurt for him to just come clean with what happened and move on rather than trying to pretend everything is eggs benedict and strawberries.

Perhaps I would see this differently if I was a better person...or I didn't get completely shafted by Frank. :)


I can certainly understand your prospective. After an incident last year at a Best Western in Ocala, I can assure you I will never spend another dime at one of those hotels ever again, if it means sleeping on the hood of my car.
Being who he is, Michael will always have to bear the bad that comes with being in similar business from his past, just the way it is.
As for expecting him to "pay for past mistakes", sorry, but that slate was wiped clean with a bankruptcy that didn't include his name so that chapter is closed.

[ModernMuseum]

I still am a little sour that I got took from purchasing a moser rear from that guy...

I cant believe hes trying to come back... but then again.. Henessey did.. lol.

What happened with Henessey?


I can certainly understand your prospective. After an incident last year at a Best Western in Ocala, I can assure you I will never spend another dime at one of those hotels ever again, if it means sleeping on the hood of my car.

*Puts on top hat*

Well, fine sir, not exactly sound logic, but your point is noted. Your hasty generalization about Best Western doesn't necessarily apply fluidly, since the likelihood of systemic causality between a single Best Western and all Best Westerns are minimal. One can easily review the quality control and assurance measures to determine that the single Best Western was out of compliance, and hence, an outlier, and can deduce with reasonable accuracy that the event is not likely to occur at all Best Westerns. However, the likelihood of repeated offense between these two shops is much higher, considering the affront by the first shop is at least somewhat likely to be linked to similar events at the second shop. Thus, the argument is not a non sequitur given their proximity, family ties, possibility of labor/tools transfer and other potentially pernicious activities which are easily transcended.

*adjusts monocle*

Digressing, you are pretty hard core to sleep on your hood. I usually just crash in the back seat of my Firebird when I break down overnight :)

[Bill Howell]

What happened with Henessey?



*Puts on top hat*

Well, fine sir, not exactly sound logic, but your point is noted. Your hasty generalization about Best Western doesn't necessarily apply fluidly, since the likelihood of systemic causality between a single Best Western and all Best Westerns are minimal. One can easily review the quality control and assurance measures to determine that the single Best Western was out of compliance, and hence, an outlier, and can deduce with reasonable accuracy that the event is not likely to occur at all Best Westerns. However, the likelihood of repeated offense between these two shops is much higher, considering the affront by the first shop is at least somewhat likely to be linked to similar events at the second shop. Thus, the argument is not a non sequitur given their proximity, family ties, possibility of labor/tools transfer and other potentially pernicious activities which are easily transcended.

*adjusts monocle*

Digressing, you are pretty hard core to sleep on your hood. I usually just crash in the back seat of my Firebird when I break down overnight :)

1. Same deal, when ripped off, you take it personal. To some, prodigy by any name is still same, to me BW, anywhere reminds me of a sting I won't soon forget and when corporate won't even pretend to care, NO MAS BW for me, ever.
2. You seen me lately? No way I am fitting in the back seat of much of anything but my dually four door.

[snappytravis]

This thread is crazy,, Myself being the apple. I was taught at a young age that a deal is a deal. No pissing backwards if it was my loss. That was just the way it was. I had better think twice on the next one. Stealing,, Flat out stealing from people wasn't even thought about. I would have had my @ss beat. I hope that Michael can make good choices. Not just see that you steal, lie and cheat people. Then file bankrupcy. I do realize dealing with the public that there are misunderstandings and people will get blamed that should probably not be or where not at fault. However the amount of money people lost, Parts that where never received is flat @ss discusting. How are there no reprecussions for these actions. I was just one step ahead of them to the bank to file my dispute..

[MrQuick]

Apple usually doesn't fall to far from the tree,, not always the case

I hope Michael learned from past mistakes and is moving. Yes, I am pulling for the young man to do the right things and move forward.

[jy211]

Having a car that was completed by Michael, I can tell you things were handled very differently than when my car was at Prodigy. Michael finished my car and I couldn't be happier. I have another project waiting to head his way.

[Removed user as requested]

Being who he is, Michael will always have to bear the bad that comes with being in similar business from his past, just the way it is.
As for expecting him to "pay for past mistakes", sorry, but that slate was wiped clean with a bankruptcy that didn't include his name so that chapter is closed.

Bankruptcy does not clean anything. All it is, is a system/loop hole thieves use to get away with theft knowing before hand they wont have to pay anyone a dime "Im bankrupt" and couple years later, just start again with a different name.

As already said, if he is 'honest', then the 'honest' thing to do is to fix up some of the cars properly at just above cost.

I seen too many people get screwed out of money, thousands upon thousands, just because the guy that is a filthy scumbag thief can "Claim bankruptcy" and then just laugh in the faces of those he owes because "Chapter is closed" Legalised robbery.

[shmoov69]

TRUTH!!! There are exceptions.. but they are just that, exceptions.
Bankruptcy does not clean anything. All it is, is a system/loop hole thieves use to get away with theft knowing before hand they wont have to pay anyone a dime "Im bankrupt" and couple years later, just start again with a different name.

As already said, if he is 'honest', then the 'honest' thing to do is to fix up some of the cars properly at just above cost.

I seen too many people get screwed out of money, thousands upon thousands, just because the guy that is a filthy scumbag thief can "Claim bankruptcy" and then just laugh in the faces of those he owes because "Chapter is closed" Legalised robbery.

[MarkM66]

Apple usually doesn't fall to far from the tree,,

Sure doesn't

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1987-07-29/news/0180390203_1_customers-pony-bond

Franks father.

[raustinss]

Lmfao wow look at that....yep the S**t apple doesn't fall far from the s**t tree.

[XLexusTech]

Step 1. Open business...commit fraud... change business name.. rinse and repeat until the law catches up with you.....
Step 2 Then put it in someone else's name... repeat step 1... rinse repeat..
Step 3 repeat steps one and two until you run out of relatives...

Sprinkle in some Corporations, LLC's and a few bankruptcies and you have the makings of generations of business..

Sounds faintly familiar..

[ModernMuseum]

Having a car that was completed by Michael, I can tell you things were handled very differently than when my car was at Prodigy. Michael finished my car and I couldn't be happier. I have another project waiting to head his way.

In the benefit of Michael, it probably wouldn't hurt to share some more details regarding what he did for you, back story, timing of the work, etc.



Sure doesn't

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1987-07-29/news/0180390203_1_customers-pony-bond

Franks father.


The order came after neither the Serafines nor another owner, Bruce Savage, appeared at Tuesday's scheduled trial of nine suits consolidated into one. The men also had not responded to the suits, which contended they had not returned customers' deposits or delivered the cars ordered.

They didn't even both to show up to the trial :lol: deja vu

[snappytravis]

Sure doesn't

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1987-07-29/news/0180390203_1_customers-pony-bond

Franks father.

Thanks for posting this, I had read it a few years back. I still use my original first name. I appreciate this it doesn't make me look like a @@shole now.

[ErikLS2]

What's the best predictor of someone's future behavior??

Yep, their past behavior!

[Samckitt]

I never did do any business with Frank, I went to the shop once when I was on business trip at NASA in FL, he was building the Motiv8r at the time, & only know of met his son Mike because of the Monte he had. What finally happened with Frank, he in jail?

[XLexusTech]

I never did do any business with Frank, I went to the shop once when I was on business trip at NASA in FL, he was building the Motiv8r at the time, & only know of met his son Mike because of the Monte he had. What finally happened with Frank, he in jail?

I heard nothing.. Skated away .. Would love to know

[snappytravis]

I think he is in Canada. Heard that somewhere a while back.

[raustinss]

Yeah I did some searching last I recall he was just outside Toronto working at some steel factory/shop...for fun I left a message with H.R saying I was a investigator and needed anything and everything they had on him....needless to say she never called me back I'm assuming she didn't follow me when I said this must remain between us do to pending charges etc etc etc. I made it sound quite good. I also asked that if my lead was wrong could she please let me know ...again nothing. As of now who knows where that loser is

[cnv]

Frank was working on my car years ago and disappeared. He still has my car and I have been unable to get ahold of him or anyone in his family for years. If anyone has any helpful information please PM me.

[raustinss]

I'll see I there is any trail I can find here....giv me a few days

[sccacuda]

Never had any skin in the Prodigy fiasco, but watched it unfold from both near and far. I guess what I'm not understanding is anyone defending the son and anyone who would bring a car to him. Their are a ton of reputable shops, so why would anyone in their right mind go their knowing the history? This is what I know from 25 years in the automotive industry. You can't "unteach" bad habits. Once someone learns how to do something and is comfortable that way, right or wrong, it is almost impossible to have that person change. This guy grew up learning this is how you do business and treat people, and more importantly, the escape route available when all go's wrong. If this guy doesn't want to continue in the family tradition and actually run a reputable shop, then I 100% disagree with Bill. The bankruptcy may have given Frank a "get out of jail" free card, but if the son is going to continue with EXACTLY the same business as his father, then he has to go the extra mile and make right, the best he can, for what his father did. First and foremost, acknowledge those that were ripped off and don't hide from the past, confront it. Pretending it didn't happen is NOT reputable, nor the right thing to do. Now if he chose a different profession, then I agree with Bill, let him have a fresh start, but he didn't.

[j-c-c]

What's the best predictor of someone's future behavior??

Yep, their past behavior!

Does that make you money at the horse track?

Your saying, although common and likely widely held, disregards that some people do change, maybe not greatly, but it does happen.

[XLexusTech]

Never had any skin in the Prodigy fiasco, but watched it unfold from both near and far. I guess what I'm not understanding is anyone defending the son and anyone who would bring a car to him. Their are a ton of reputable shops, so why would anyone in their right mind go their knowing the history? This is what I know from 25 years in the automotive industry. You can't "unteach" bad habits. Once someone learns how to do something and is comfortable that way, right or wrong, it is almost impossible to have that person change. This guy grew up learning this is how you do business and treat people, and more importantly, the escape route available when all go's wrong. If this guy doesn't want to continue in the family tradition and actually run a reputable shop, then I 100% disagree with Bill. The bankruptcy may have given Frank a "get out of jail" free card, but if the son is going to continue with EXACTLY the same business as his father, then he has to go the extra mile and make right, the best he can, for what his father did. First and foremost, acknowledge those that were ripped off and don't hide from the past, confront it. Pretending it didn't happen is NOT reputable, nor the right thing to do. Now if he chose a different profession, then I agree with Bill, let him have a fresh start, but he didn't.

Exactly, it is really troublesome that anyone would suggest otherwise

[jy211]

Never had any skin in the Prodigy fiasco, but watched it unfold from both near and far. I guess what I'm not understanding is anyone defending the son and anyone who would bring a car to him. Their are a ton of reputable shops, so why would anyone in their right mind go their knowing the history? This is what I know from 25 years in the automotive industry. You can't "unteach" bad habits. Once someone learns how to do something and is comfortable that way, right or wrong, it is almost impossible to have that person change. This guy grew up learning this is how you do business and treat people, and more importantly, the escape route available when all go's wrong. If this guy doesn't want to continue in the family tradition and actually run a reputable shop, then I 100% disagree with Bill. The bankruptcy may have given Frank a "get out of jail" free card, but if the son is going to continue with EXACTLY the same business as his father, then he has to go the extra mile and make right, the best he can, for what his father did. First and foremost, acknowledge those that were ripped off and don't hide from the past, confront it. Pretending it didn't happen is NOT reputable, nor the right thing to do. Now if he chose a different profession, then I agree with Bill, let him have a fresh start, but he didn't.


I can def tell you that the way the son runs his place is totally different. I chose to let him finish my car, that was started at Franks. He delivered it turn key, done to me. I had ZERO issues working with him.

[cnv]

If anyone has Michael's contact info can you please PM me. I've been told that he knows where the car is but may be unaware of the situation. I spoke with one of the previous shop guys and he was told by Frank that the customer forget about the car and Frank had plans to repaint and sell the car.

I dealt exclusively with Frank and Lisa but have been unable to get ahold of both of them. I'm not going to assume that Michael is a scam artist the way Frank was but I do know that Michael knows about this car and has worked on it. It was one of their highest dollar builds.

[garickman]

His business is called Muscle Car Dynamics. You should be able to get his contact info from his facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/Muscle-Car-Dynamics-446532298787289/timeline/

[Vegas 69]

I know guys that were ripped off by Frank and subsequently ripped off by Mike as well.

And as stated earlier where did he get the tools, equipment and I understand more then a few high end parts to open a business?

[sccacuda]

I'm glad you got you car and all went well. So did the first people involved with Prodigy. Don't think he was an innocent victim.

http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=OfficerRegisteredAg entName&directionType=ForwardList&searchNameOrder=SERAFINEMICHAELD%20L050000431452&aggregateId=flal-l05000043145-f4057794-f5a2-40f9-a4c9-68508cf1b3db&searchTerm=serafine&listNameOrder=SERAFINELISA%20P990000738961

I can find nothing for "muscle car dynamics" or any variation thereof as a legit business in Florida.

As I've stated, I have no skin in the game, but feel every potential customer needs to know the facts, what happened, who was involved, and the potential consequence of dealing with this shop and this person. Too many people were denied this when Prodigy tanked. Isn't that what the forums and this community is for? To look out and help each other if possible. We all know enough good people to recommend, so allowing this shop the opportunity to ever take from this community again would be an even bigger tragedy.

[cnv]

Thank you Greg. I called and left a message.


His business is called Muscle Car Dynamics. You should be able to get his contact info from his facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/Muscle-Car-Dynamics-446532298787289/timeline/

[garickman]

I can find nothing for "muscle car dynamics" or any variation thereof as a legit business in Florida.



I too found nothing that would verify Muscle Car Dynamics as a "legitimate business", nor did I ever state it was a legitimate business. I was simply providing some information to a forum member or anyone else for that matter who is trying to recover their property.

[j-c-c]

Any particular part of Florida that is being targeted here for his whereabouts?

[XLexusTech]

I can def tell you that the way the son runs his place is totally different. I chose to let him finish my car, that was started at Franks. He delivered it turn key, done to me. I had ZERO issues working with him.

Guess you don't recognise the pattern, you can't start Fu$%^ing people right away.. you got in early.. good for you... I bet Frank's first few customers also got off without a hitch as well... Reminds me a lot of $$ was steered his way via this forum and advocates for Prodigy seems like those advocates are in the Sons corner now...

[XLexusTech]

Any particular part of Florida that is being targeted here for his whereabouts?

Orlando, Altamonte Springs...

[sccacuda]

I too found nothing that would verify Muscle Car Dynamics as a "legitimate business", nor did I ever state it was a legitimate business. I was simply providing some information to a forum member or anyone else for that matter who is trying to recover their property.

Sorry, wasn't calling you out! Just wanted to see for myself, so I had it checked. Any company that doesn't have a web page or will list their address is showing major red flags in my opinion.

[sccacuda]

Might want to throw Sanford in there...just saying.

[XLexusTech]

Sorry, wasn't calling you out! Just wanted to see for myself, so I had it checked. Any company that doesn't have a web page or will list their address is showing major red flags in my opinion.

I have been researching all business registered with Serafine as a registrant.. haven't seen anything since Prodigy registered to him.

[sccacuda]

I heard nothing.. Skated away .. Would love to know

The wife (not sure if still married) has an active company in Sanford. Filed in '12 and still active as of today. It is crazy the amount of businesses that clan has had over the years. Runs the gamete. Searches are free, as all business info for Florida companies is public record. http://www.sunbiz.org

It's just a house, like all the other business agent addresses (like Prodigy), but would be interesting to see who lives there.

[garickman]

Sorry, wasn't calling you out! Just wanted to see for myself, so I had it checked. Any company that doesn't have a web page or will list their address is showing major red flags in my opinion.

It's cool! I guess after reading my post I did sound a little defensive. I agree with you about the red flags. I don't know anything about Michael or his business but I can say one thing for certain. Not long after the whole Prodigy fiasco, I was trying to help a forum member who had lost more than 100k to Frank. We were attempting to raise money and have his car rebuilt by a reputable shop. A forum sponsor stepped up and agreed to help. A few days later I get and email from a moderator from another forum who tells me the project is not going forward. It seems that Michael Serafine contacted the sponsor and told him that the forum member who lost over 100k was not telling the truth, even though this forum member provided copies of email exchanges between him and Frank that completely disputed what Michael had told this sponsor.

Michael also told this sponsor that he himself was a victim of his Father. He stated he had not been paid for several months by his dad and he was forced to sell the engine out of his prized "Prodigy Camaro" in order to 'get by". Not long after this email was sent, I found a post on line in which Michael posted a picture of the $4,000.00 titanium connecting rods for his new LS7 engine which he was putting in his "Prodigy Camaro". Once again, I have no idea why Michael felt he needed to contact this sponsor and defend his father or whether he knew or not what his father was up to.

I am neither for or against Michael's business. If he is truly trying to run a legitimate business, I can not understand why it is so mysterious and why he does not have the proper documentation to run a legal business. I do acknowledge it must be very difficult to get out of the shadow of both his father and grandfather.

[Vegas 69]

I do acknowledge it must be very difficult to get out of the shadow of both his father and grandfather.

Especially when you are part of the shadow

[Bad Bowtie]

The wife (not sure if still married) has an active company in Sanford. Filed in '12 and still active as of today. It is crazy the amount of businesses that clan has had over the years. Runs the gamete. Searches are free, as all business info for Florida companies is public record. http://www.sunbiz.org

It's just a house, like all the other business agent addresses (like Prodigy), but would be interesting to see who lives there.

Craig,
That Sanford location was the "New" space that they leased after leaving the Benbow address just before it all came crashing down. Property Appraiser still shows them owning the house on Little Wekiva Rd. Maybe Frank comes back for a little visit every now and then or maybe Michael lives there :dunno:

[raustinss]

Well I got nowhere Short of go thru a couple thousand emails. Sound like some people should get some $ together for for private eye at the house

[TheJDMan]

It's cool! I guess after reading my post I did sound a little defensive. I agree with you about the red flags. I don't know anything about Michael or his business but I can say one thing for certain. Not long after the whole Prodigy fiasco, I was trying to help a forum member who had lost more than 100k to Frank. We were attempting to raise money and have his car rebuilt by a reputable shop. A forum sponsor stepped up and agreed to help. A few days later I get and email from a moderator from another forum who tells me the project is not going forward. It seems that Michael Serafine contacted the sponsor and told him that the forum member who lost over 100k was not telling the truth, even though this forum member provided copies of email exchanges between him and Frank that completely disputed what Michael had told this sponsor.

Michael also told this sponsor that he himself was a victim of his Father. He stated he had not been paid for several months by his dad and he was forced to sell the engine out of his prized "Prodigy Camaro" in order to 'get by". Not long after this email was sent, I found a post on line in which Michael posted a picture of the $4,000.00 titanium connecting rods for his new LS7 engine which he was putting in his "Prodigy Camaro". Once again, I have no idea why Michael felt he needed to contact this sponsor and defend his father or whether he knew or not what his father was up to.

I am neither for or against Michael's business. If he is truly trying to run a legitimate business, I can not understand why it is so mysterious and why he does not have the proper documentation to run a legal business. I do acknowledge it must be very difficult to get out of the shadow of both his father and grandfather.

I remember that, and as I recall the member was a Navy pilot who was deployed and could not check on his project. I always wondered what happened that the effort to help him out fell apart so quickly.

[snappytravis]

I wonder what ever happened with that guy and his car project, Last I saw there were pictures of a stripped down Camaro. It was worse shape then what he took it to the shop in.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Finding out what happened to a bunch of people's cars who were taken by Frank is like finding out what a mass murderer did to a whole bunch of people in his basement...

as the information comes back to light I find it sickening what he did to many peoples dreams...


sorry.. I dont give a pass to Mikey.. he knew what his father was doing..

hell he could have been the guy who boxed up the rear end I got that was so narrow it was wrong.. that might even have been someones rear end!

[BADDRIDE II]

I am assuming you are talking about me here.
1. I have known Michael since he was in high school.
2. Yes, I am friends with him on Facebook as I am with 1200 other people, didn't know I needed to defend that fact.


I have not talked to Frank in about three years, I don't have his number nor do I know what he is doing or working any more. I understand that Michael has a shop (different name and location) and runs it on his own.
He has talent, he knows how to fix cars and he is trying to make it on his own. He father's bad decisions certainly probably hurts those efforts, but for us to bash the fact that he is in business IMO isn't right.
We all have family that do things that make us ashamed to be associated with them, remember that before turning this thread into another PC hatefest.


Here is hoping that your father or any other relative didn't ever do anything that wasn't so savory...

Andrew


I can certainly understand your prospective. After an incident last year at a Best Western in Ocala, I can assure you I will never spend another dime at one of those hotels ever again, if it means sleeping on the hood of my car.
Being who he is, Michael will always have to bear the bad that comes with being in similar business from his past, just the way it is.
As for expecting him to "pay for past mistakes", sorry, but that slate was wiped clean with a bankruptcy that didn't include his name so that chapter is closed.

I wonder how many posts have been deleted on this thread......

Sounds like similar tactics from Robert Shapiro & Johnnie Cochran :spank2:

[raustinss]

I tried to post the information I found on him in one of the other prodigy threads It was deleted

[BADDRIDE II]

I tried to post the information I found on him in one of the other prodigy threads It was deleted

That is why I prefer the "G" site, and have minimized my time here, the morals of the administrators seem much higher over there IMO and are more opt to squish a bad vendor/related party in favor of the loyal hard working masses/enthusiasts that frequent and ultimately make up the sites themselves. The fact that a pillar or pillars of this community would even try to minimize ANYTHING on this particular subject speaks volumes.

[andrewb70]

That is why I prefer the "G" site, and have minimized my time here, the morals of the administrators seem much higher over there IMO and are more opt to squish a bad vendor/related party in favor of the loyal hard working masses/enthusiasts that frequent and ultimately make up the sites themselves. The fact that a pillar or pillars of this community would even try to minimize ANYTHING on this particular subject speaks volumes.

Jay

As usual, you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. If this site does not suit you just ask publically and you will be deleted from the member list.

For the record, we had a Vendor Feedback section before the other site.

You clearly don't add any value to this community and now you are slandering us.

Andrew

[raustinss]

I hope that my previous post doesn't ruffle any feathers. I was simply trying to respond to the post about deleted posts. As far as my post that was deleted in another prodigy thread I understand why being as I had added fuel to the fire and posted some possible personal information . Even though we all know what type of person frank is I truly would feel bad if I had contributed to him being physically hurt. Even though I think he definitely needs to be.

[andrewb70]

....I truly would feel bad if I had contributed to him being physically hurt. Even though I think he definitely needs to be.

Don't see any contradictions there?

Andrew

[XLexusTech]

Don't see any contradictions there?

Andrew

OK I have been trying not to go here but here goes... There seems to be an abundance of moderator "shenanigans" when it comes to Frank.. Just calling a spade a spade here, Christ Motivator... talk about calling someone out... For my two cents.. Nobody on this forum who was close to Frank even owned up to or truly apologised. (Yes I think that due) and this doesn't cut it... https://www.pro-touring.com/threads/91964-Prodigy-Customs?highlight=Prodigy This site was a feeding ground for that Rat... and people were led to the slaughter... To have Mods. back the son now.. is just plain wrong... AGAIN...

[BADDRIDE II]

That is why I prefer the "G" site, and have minimized my time here, the morals of the administrators seem much higher over there IMO and are more opt to squish a bad vendor/related party in favor of the loyal hard working masses/enthusiasts that frequent and ultimately make up the sites themselves. The fact that a pillar or pillars of this community would even try to minimize ANYTHING on this particular subject speaks volumes.


Jay

As usual, you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. If this site does not suit you just ask publically and you will be deleted from the member list.

For the record, we had a Vendor Feedback section before the other site.

You clearly don't add any value to this community and now you are slandering us.

Andrew

Really Andrew.
Please don't distort things just because you are a moderator. This site is great and I enjoy it, but I just so happen to prefer the other site more, and for similar reasons to what you have just displayed again, and that's just something you cannot change because I am entitled to my opinion. I prefer many things over others, its just part of life.
Who knows, if certain admin here quit trying to minimize the damage that has occurred to good people, and delete post that do not read favorable to either yourselves or the exposed crooks, maybe I will start preferring PT.com over the other site.

Jay

[andrewb70]

OK I have been trying not to go here but here goes... There seems to be an abundance of moderator "shenanigans" when it comes to Frank.. Just calling a spade a spade here, Christ Motivator... talk about calling someone out... For my two cents.. Nobody on this forum who was close to Frank even owned up to or truly apologised. (Yes I think that due) and this doesn't cut it... https://www.pro-touring.com/threads/91964-Prodigy-Customs?highlight=Prodigy This site was a feeding ground for that Rat... and people were led to the slaughter... To have Mods. back the son now.. is just plain wrong... AGAIN...

Again, you seem to think that there is some massive conspiracy to protect the Sarafins, which is just a fantasy. Larry made the unfortunate decision to have Frank finish his car, which happened way before any of this blew up. I am not going to speak for Larry here, because it is not my place to do so, but I am sure he had his reasons.

I met Frank maybe a total of 3 times in my life. Perhaps once at SEMA around 2004, one of the early RTTH events, and then maybe again at a PRI show, again somewhere in the last decade. I have nothing to apologize for because I did nothing wrong. Frank took a lot of money from a lot of different people and we can all agree that he is the consummate conman. We did what we could with the information that was available at the time. It is super easy to look back at events from a historical perspective and realize some decisions were not optimal, but nobody operates with perfect information.

It is also plainly obvious that you (do you even have a name?) have an agenda and are posting all this here, knowing that it would put us in a bad spot. I see no similar thread on the other site, which is because it would be shut down post haste. But you know that if we do that here, it will only serve as another piece of "evidence" regarding your fantastic PT.com conspiracy theory.

So here we all are, rehashing the same old thing. Thanks.

Andrew

[andrewb70]

Really Andrew.
Please don't distort things just because you are a moderator. This site is great and I enjoy it, but I just so happen to prefer the other site more, and for similar reasons to what you have just displayed again, and that's just something you cannot change because I am entitled to my opinion. I prefer many things over others, its just part of life.
Who knows, if certain admin here quit trying to minimize the damage that has occurred to good people, and delete post that do not read favorable to either yourselves or the exposed crooks, maybe I will start preferring PT.com over the other site.

Jay

Jay,

You should really look up the definition of the word slander, because you are stepping way over the line of mere opinion.

Nobody on this site is protecting anyone. This is pure fiction that exists only in your mind (and probably a few others).

Once again, visiting this site is voluntary and if you wish to proclaim publicly that you do not want to be a part of it, please do so and it will be arranged. That way you are not tempted to come here and spread nothing but rumor, conjecture, and hate.

Andrew

[XLexusTech]

Yep I have a agenda... Here it is
I want to see justice for everyone screwed by the Serafines
I want to see acknowledgement and an apology from Larry for being a conduit and a reference for Prodigy. Acknowledgement that through this forum he unwillingly and indirectly but certainly effectively drove business to a person who defrauded many members of this forum of amounts way into the 6 figures.
I want to prevent any future victims from getting F#%^*+ over by the Serafines
I want to expose wherever possible any collusion with or support for, future ventures of the Serafines. Yep karmas a bitch

None of this belongs on any other site... It belongs rignt here

[Bill Howell]

Yep I have a agenda... Here it is
I want to see justice for everyone screwed by the Serafines
I want to see acknowledgement and an apology from Larry for being a conduit and a reference for Prodigy. Acknowledgement that through this forum he unwillingly and indirectly but certainly effectively drove business to a person who defrauded many members of this forum of amounts way into the 6 figures.
I want to prevent any future victims from getting F#%^*+ over by the Serafines
I want to expose wherever possible any collusion with or support for, future ventures of the Serafines. Yep karmas a bitch

None of this belongs on any other site... It belongs rignt here

OK, enough is enough.
I would call you by name, but with all your posts and demands and BS you still refuse to even let us know your real name.
Here is my response to your above post.
1. This is Larry's forum, a very good community that has been around a long time. I have been a moderator here for many years and come here daily to enjoy my hobby.
2. Larry owes you nor no one else an explanation or apology for anything. The F.Serefine fiasco was two or three years ago, years after he built Motivator. There has been more discussions than I care to even recall about the situation and God knows it should be over and done by now. There is nothing we could have done at the time nor now about what happened. We don't have a majic ball that tells us who is getting over on people and once the facts came out, he was banned and no longer a sponsor, PERIOD.
3. To insinuate there was a conspiracy, collusion, or games played here about the situation has been beaten like a dead horse enough and frankly as a moderator I am sick of hearing about it, as it did not happen.
2. You are free to take up the crusade to hate all Serefines and smear their name to the corners of the earth, but you are not going to do it here anymore. This is your warning, try me and you will be banned.

This thread has been allowed to go on, regardless of fact or innuendo for the very reason to prove we had nothing nor have nothing to do with any of the Serefine's business or business practices. My previous posts concerning Micheal are my opinions and I still feel we should still live under the assumption that until his proves otherwise, we should give him the benefit of the doubt, and as such we will not allow you or anyone to slander him or anyone else.

Also, everyone else take the same notice, if you want to trash the Serefines, do it anywhere on the world wide web, except here. We as moderators don't want to end up in a civil law suit as defendants for allowing blatant slander to occur on our watch.

Obviously there is still heartburn about what happened in Florida and possibly even question as to the legitimacy of the current business. For those interested enough about that, by all means, there are ways to handle that with the local civil system and/or local governments concerning business licenses, etc. PLEASE, handle it there, start your own website or Facebook page, take an ad out in the New York Times, but this is the last conversation I am going to read about the subject here at Protouring.