Speedtech Extreme Subframe spy photos leaked out...

[Ben@SpeedTech]

OK so I'm the one leaking them but if you had something as cool as this to shout out about you would too. We've currently got 2- 1st gens and 3- 2nd gen Camaros in the shop we're testing the prototypes on and things are looking REAL good. We should hit production here VERY soon. Unofficially the 1st gen frame fits up front a 315 on an 11" wheel and the 2nd gen fits a 335! How about that phat fat! :hail:

Anyways, check out this link (http://www.speedtechperformance.com/index.cfm?ptype=results&category_id=163&mode=cat) to learn more. All of our Extreme chassis and subframes will have the same basic suspension design and numbers, and frame rails will be custom fit to each application- C10, Camaro, Nova, Chevelle, and Tri 5.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/09/2ndgen20pair20copy_zpsu3zukj3a-1.jpg

[Schroeder]

awesome! any info on it fitting a 2nd gen trans am and if a pontiac 400 will work on it? I haven't heard any news on this from Blake. He and I have been discussing it as developments occur

[TheJDMan]

How severely will the wide wheel fitment effect header clearance?

[Ron Sutton]

Whoot Whoot !!

:woot:

[Ron Sutton]

New Speedtech Front Subframe & Suspension Package
New Cutting Edge Design Includes:

Strong Box type laser cut and jig welded construction - reduced weight over factory subframe.
Special subframe width & shape allowing 315 front tires.
Factory alignment holes offer ease of aligning frame to body and bumpers.
Mounting hardware, instructions, and custom alignment specs.
Ron Sutton Race Technology geometry built-in.
Upper control arms feature additional caster adjustability.
Speedtech high clearance upper & lower tubular control arms
Control arms powder coated gloss black and fully assembled with Delrin bushings.
3-piece Speedway Engineering sway bar – Wide choice of rates.
Unisteer power rack & pinion steering.
Next-Gen ATS 7075 Forged Aluminum Spindles.
ATS high-Ackerman steering arms for ATS spindles.
C7 heavy duty bearings & hubs.
Increased header and exhaust clearance.
Motor stands accept small block engines with OEM style mounts.
Accepts LSX engines with Speedtech fabricated oil pan and motor mounts.
Adjustable engine frame stands allows 3/4" fore & aft range.
Fully adjustable rear cross member fits all GM transmissions as well as T-56 and TKO.
Built-in tow/tie down hooks eliminate strapping around painted frames.
Comes bare. Powder coat options available.


From Speedtech Performance, the base package includes:
Viking double adjustable twin tube coil-over shocks, including delrin thrust washers & adjusting wrench.
Viking coil-over springs – Wide choice of rates.
Base Price for complete subframe & suspension is $6899 + $200 crating fee


From Ron Sutton Race Technology, the base package includes:
Ridetech single adjustable mono-tube gas coil-over shocks, including delrin thrust washers & adjusting wrench.
Hypercoil coil-over springs – Wide choice of rates.
Base Price is $7099 + $200 crating fee



OPTIONS:
• Powder Coat Subframe – Flat Black
• Powder Coat Subframe – Semi-Gloss Black
• Powder Coat Subframe – Gloss Black
• Powder Coat Subframe – Gun Metal Grey
• Powder Coat Subframe – Silver
• Billet Aluminum Body Mount Set
• Engine Bay Round Tube Chassis Down Bar Supports
• Double Joint Steering Shaft Kit
• GM Steering Column Adapter .
• LSx Engine Adapter Plates
• Speedtech 1 3/4" LSx Headers, Mill Finish
• Speedtech LSx 1 3/4" Headers, Show Polished Finish
• Speedtech 2" LSx Headers, Mill finish
• Ron Sutton Tailored Suspension Tech Service #40STP
• Ron Sutton Tailored Brake Tech Service #29
• Ridetech Digressive Triple Adj Shocks w/AutoX-Star Valving
• JRI Digressive Triple Adj Shocks w/AutoX-Star Valving or Track-Star Valving

We have a growing list of pre-sales.
If you'd like to spec one out for your car project, contact either:

Speedtech Performance at:
Phone: (435) 628-4300
Shop: 3884 S. River Road, Bldg. A, St. George, Utah 84790
Email: [email protected]
Website: SpeedtechPerformance.com

Contact Ron Sutton Race Technology at:
Phone: (916) 834-8051
Email: [email protected]
Website: RonSuttonRaceTechnology.com


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[cpd004]

Awesome!

[killer69]

How severely will the wide wheel fitment effect header clearance?

WE are designing headers for the LS (that is all we are working on right now) the headers are REALLY tight, and that is our only option. they will be made by Ultimate headers and will be 321 with slip fit collectors to maximize ground clearance the First gen are not even close to fitting on a second gen because of the difference in floor shapes so we need to do a second gen specific set. they may end up a mid length header as well to give even more clearance.

[killer69]

awesome! any info on it fitting a 2nd gen trans am and if a pontiac 400 will work on it? I haven't heard any news on this from Blake. He and I have been discussing it as developments occur

Jordan we have been way to busy trying to get everything thing done. I honestly donèt think it is going to be possible the ls is so tight and the 400 is a lot wider and that is the issue. sorry

[Rod]

Unofficially the 1st gen frame fits up front a 315 on an 11" wheel

oh I know I can get a 335 on that 1st gen....:naughty:

[killer69]

oh I know I can get a 335 on that 1st gen....:naughty:

yes but this is with out modifying the outer fender..

[Rod]

yes but this is with out modifying the outer fender..

modify, smodify ...whats a flared fender among friends...it looks awesome Blake! I will be redoing Jane over the winter with Ron's help, and a new Sub is one consideration...so I was very excited to see this...well done

[Mizzouri]

I am from Missouri and this mention of tight fitting headers sans pics is worthless, lol.

Seriously, sign me up for a set. Seems I am a buyer for what you guys are pimping.....are there jackets for this club?

[carbuff]

Will an LS engine be able to use any accessory drive setup, or will it require ones that move everything up high? Related, will there be space to fit a dry sump pump down low for the guys that are going to want those?

[Ben@SpeedTech]

oh I know I can get a 335 on that 1st gen....:naughty:

Lol!!You the man Rod, make it happen!!

[Ben@SpeedTech]

I am from Missouri and this mention of tight fitting headers sans pics is worthless, lol.

Seriously, sign me up for a set. Seems I am a buyer for what you guys are pimping.....are there jackets for this club?

Not jackets but T shirts might be an option. :)

As soon as we have photos of everything we'll be sure to have them up.

If any of you want to get on our ExtReme suspension email list for updates, shoot me a pm with your email address or send it to ben (at) speedtechperformance dot com with a quick "add me to the extreme email list" note. The emails addresses are kept sacred and are only for Speedtech's use to keep folks updated.

[Ben@SpeedTech]

As serious as autocross and road racing are becoming, the whole purpose of this subframe is to take the "Pro Touring/ G Machine" world to the next performance level. Quite often that means the guys with the deepest wallets are the only ones that get to play (and hit the top 10 at events). We say that time is over, it's time to level the playing field.

The ExtReme subframes have an AWESOME introductory price of only $6899, plus crate and shipping. This isn't a stripped down base model version that you have to upgrade for it to reach it's potential, this comes with all ultra high clearance suspension components, Viking's new Crusader double adjustable autocross valved shocks with your choice of spring rates, splined sway bar with several rate options available, Sweet performance rack and pinion, LS engine frame stands and fully adjustable transmission cross member. The package ALSO includes the new exclusive ATS ExtReme spindle, which has better geometry numbers than any Corvette, Vette copy, or any other spindle out there. Pretty much you just add the brake system of your choice, body mounts, and a steering shaft, all of which we can set you up with. The frame comes bare for painting to your needs, or we also offer an optional powder coating service.

We've seen some great success from Viking's Crusader shocks, they have some very aggressive dyno figures and from a real world point of view several of our customers use them, I have them on my car and we have them on our C10 (Click Here to see build photos (http://www.speedtechperformance.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=product/product_id=422/category_id=7/mode=prod/prd422.htm)). They perform fantastic on the street and incredibly well on the track! We don't want to leave anyone out however, so to make sure we cover everyone's needs and wants, we also have JRI and Ridetech on board for shock options.

All sales hoopla aside, with the experience of Speedtech and Ron Sutton paired up to perfect the design, the serious handling potential of this set up, and the fantastic price, is there really a need to shop further than the Speedtech ExtReme subframe? :twothumbs

[killer69]

Will an LS engine be able to use any accessory drive setup, or will it require ones that move everything up high? Related, will there be space to fit a dry sump pump down low for the guys that are going to want those?

Good ? the factory ls anything AC pump/bracket won't fit. we have a new prototype Kwik bracke that we need to try ASAP for a small Sanden pump that may fit down low. as for a dry sump what brand are you looking at? obviously the GM LS dry sump set up will fit with our oil pan, not sure on the others perhaps I can get a cad drawing of it and add it to the assembly and see if it is close.
give us a call to discuss.

[cornfedbill]

Looking very good!

[carbuff]

Good ? the factory ls anything AC pump/bracket won't fit. we have a new prototype Kwik bracke that we need to try ASAP for a small Sanden pump that may fit down low. as for a dry sump what brand are you looking at? obviously the GM LS dry sump set up will fit with our oil pan, not sure on the others perhaps I can get a cad drawing of it and add it to the assembly and see if it is close.
give us a call to discuss.

Blake,

I'm not thinking of a specific setup, but reading the Corvette Forums, and some other LS forums, the LS7 dry sump setup isn't necessarily the most desired setup for a true track car. Myself, I've looked at the Dailey and the ARE setups. I would take a look at those for options to consider.

I didn't quite follow your explanation, but it sounds like any GM setup with a low-placement AC compressor won't work?

On my car, I run the Wegner front drive setup, the WAK033. I really like it. It's compact, looks good, and performs really well.

I would certainly try to allow options in this area and not require just a single specific setup if possible...

[Build-It-Break-It]

What's the wheel backspacing required on the your new subframe ? I tried to find it in a few other posts but couldn't.

[killer69]

Blake,

I'm not thinking of a specific setup, but reading the Corvette Forums, and some other LS forums, the LS7 dry sump setup isn't necessarily the most desired setup for a true track car. Myself, I've looked at the Dailey and the ARE setups. I would take a look at those for options to consider.

I didn't quite follow your explanation, but it sounds like any GM setup with a low-placement AC compressor won't work?

On my car, I run the Wegner front drive setup, the WAK033. I really like it. It's compact, looks good, and performs really well.

I would certainly try to allow options in this area and not require just a single specific setup if possible...

well there are some limitations........... because the suspension is designed to be the BEST. all the mounting points are set in stone. (those are Ron's words) so if the part fits in the remaining hole good. if not I don't know what else to say. any of the low mount accessories have always been a problem. the LCA mounting location is quite high at 8.43" off the ground. that dictates the rack height. we did manage to lower the rack 1.2 inches by using a custom inner tie rod mounting pin and heim joint that allowed us to move the engine down 1.2" as well. which actually complicates the low mount acc. but helps the CG it is still about 1" higher than in our current sub frame, but that also helped solve some driveline issues, by raising the Trans output it now sits above the 9" yoke location when running a 335. so the drive shaft is now running down hill to the rear end, this helps with vibration, it also helps with header clearance. if I had a Solidworks drawing of the actual dry sump I could model it into the assembly and know for sure.

[Ben@SpeedTech]

What's the wheel backspacing required on the your new subframe ? I tried to find it in a few other posts but couldn't.

Hey Ahmad- All of the wheel and tire combos we tried cleared the suspension and frame just fine. The big question is how to make things work with stock fender wells and fender lips if at all possible. So far with a low ride height it looks like we'll be recommending for the 315 to use an 18x11 with 8.5" BS. We tried an 18x11 with 8" and it would rub on the outer fender lip at full 3" of compression while turning hard. We also tried an 8.25 BS and it was still close. The 8.5" should give the best clearance with most brake hats. There are assembly line differences from car to car, and brake hat thickness differes between brands, so to run that big of a tire (and a 315 on a first gen is a tight squeeze by any means) there may still be some fender well massaging and/or fender lip rolling involved on a specific application. We also tried the common 275 on a 9" with 6" of BS and there was plenty of room for it.

On the 2nd gen cars the 315 fits great on the 18x11 w/8" BS. If you don't mind doing a little fender well massaging it's likely you can fit a 335 under there without frame and suspension clearance issues, but that's not an "official" statement just yet. :)

[Ben@SpeedTech]

More pics...

The 1st Gen Camaro (& 68-74 Nova) and 2nd gen Camaro frames are near identical, big differences are in the trans, bumper and body mount positioning.

1st gen...

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/10/Complete201st20gen20sf20122072_zpslonaqp-1.jpg

2nd gen...

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/10/Complete202nd20gen20sf20122072_zpsziwkme-1.jpg

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