Yelcamino 2.0

[Yelcamino]

Welcome to the build thread for my '66 El Camino. It's 2.0 because I never had a thread for the first iteration. Some of you know me and my Camino, some don't, so here's a little background...

I bought Yelcamino from my friend in the summer of 1997. It was an original Arizona car with about 90,000 miles on it. It was fairly rough but not terrible.

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Before this car, I had never done a frame off build of anything so there was a huge learning curve. The first order of business was getting it disassembled and fixing the problem areas.

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While the body work was being done, I had the chassis at home so I could detail the frame, install the suspension, and build the engine and install it. Once the body was ready, I brought the completed chassis to the shop and they put the two back together.

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After that, the body and paint were finished. Here it is in the sun with the new paint for the first time in 2001.

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Carol and I were really pleased with how it turned out! I spent the next year or so getting everything working and reliable.

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We took it to a lot of events and in the process got a lot of exposure. So much so that it made a couple of magazine covers and features.

Chevelle World, October 2003

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Popular Hot Rodding, March 2004

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Chevy High Performance, January 2005

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Auto Tuning World, October 2009 (this is a mag from Poland)

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Fast forward to 2012... I retired from the Coast Guard after 24 years and started working at Ridetech. In 2013 I hurt the 454 while on Gingerman at the Motorstate Challenge. It was shortly after that I bought my '63 C10. Since the engine was hurt and needed to be gone through and freshened, Yelcamino graciously donated it to the C10 project in the hopes of getting something new and improved.

Its patience has finally paid off, because now it's getting a fresh crate LS3!

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The LS3 is getting a new cam, springs, retainers, pushrods, timing set, trunnions and valve covers. In addition to the LS3, Yelcamino will be getting new brakes, tires, and an update on the Forgeline wheels.

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At the moment, she's on the lift while I open up the trans tunnel so I can get the driveline angles where they should be.

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That's it so far. I hope to have all the updates done in a timely matter... we shall see!

[andrewb70]

Herb,

Great to see this!

Keep cutting that driveshaft tunnel back. You'll need it so that you can raise the back of the trans more and have reasonable operating angles on your u-joints.

Andrew

[Yelcamino]

Herb,

Great to see this!

Keep cutting that driveshaft tunnel back. You'll need it so that you can raise the back of the trans more and have reasonable operating angles on your u-joints.

Andrew

Don't worry Andrew, I'm cutting it out all the way to the rear bulkhead!

[bootlegr]

116884 Just cut it all out...lol. Good luck with the swap. Looks like fun.

[analyte]

Herb, I'm subscribed and ready to follow along!!

[Yelcamino]

I got some cool boxes in the mail yesterday...

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[analyte]

Ah, the first of many that will come..

[MattG]

More please...

[Yelcamino]

Ah, the first of many that will come..

Hopefully, the Baer boxes will be the last of many that already came.

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[Yelcamino]

More please...

How's this Matt?

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[Yelcamino]

It’s been about a month since I updated my thread so this is what I’ve been up to…

Following the Baer brake upgrade, I installed an Aeromotive fuel system that consisted of a Phantom in-tank pump, filter, and regulator.

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I need to finish the wiring for the sender and pump but for the most part, it’s good to go.

Next up are the headers. The first set I bought were Doug’s (D3336-B) and they seemed to fit pretty good until I raised the back of the engine into position. That's when the collectors came in contact with the floorboards. So back to Summit they went.

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After some internet research, I settled on a set of American Racing Headers (ABLS-64178300HR) in stainless. These headers cleared the floorboards with plenty of room.

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The passenger side slid into place easily and cleared everything. The driver side went in with some fidgeting and once in place the #7 primary tube contacted the lower control arm rear mount.

In hind sight, I probably should have sent them back but I made the driver side fit by trimming off the back side of the control arm mount. Once I’m done with fitment, I’ll weld in a new back piece.

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I think this may be a case of “one size fits all – we hope” for the older applications. At the very least, I have my doubts that ARH trial fit this model in an early A-body. There was plenty of room to position the #7 tube to clear the control arm mount but for whatever reason they didn’t do it. Aside from that, they clear everything else and look like a good quality header.

Next on the list was to modify the trans cross member for the exhaust.

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I got the ball rolling by mounting the cross member to the work bench.

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I cut out the offending sections and welded in the tubes.

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Since the tubing I used was a thinner wall then I would have preferred, I cut the bottom of the tubes off and welded the cut off sections to the back side of the other tube halves for reinforcement. I also added a pair of gussets to each tube section. It feels pretty solid and gets the job done. I may do something different down the road, but until then, this works.

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Now it's time for some engine work. So yesterday I swapped out the stock LS3 cam for a custom Comp grind. I also replaced the stock single row chain with a Comp double roller set, replaced the LS3 chain tensioner with a LS2 version, and upgraded the trunnions.

Comp Cam on the left, stocker on the right.

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I still need to check valve to piston clearance and install the new springs, retainers, and pushrods.

Slowly but surely Yelcamino 2.0 is moving forward.

[Paraman1]

Do you have any pictures of how far back you cut the trans tunnel ? I may have a T56 on the line and am curious how much I should plan on cutting out of my 64 El Camino .

[454bug]

Great upgrades Herb!!

Your stable of vehicles are getting finer all the time!! :cheers:

[Yelcamino]

Do you have any pictures of how far back you cut the trans tunnel ? I may have a T56 on the line and am curious how much I should plan on cutting out of my 64 El Camino .

No current pics, but I cut mine all the way to the rear bulkhead. I still need to trim some off from around the top of the bellhousing.

[Yelcamino]

Great upgrades Herb!!

Your stable of vehicles are getting finer all the time!! :cheers:

Thanks Ray!

[Paraman1]

No current pics, but I cut mine all the way to the rear bulkhead. I still need to trim some off from around the top of the bellhousing.

I guess I am just not sure what you are referring to when you say the "Bulkhead" ? Did you have to go beyond the rear wall of the cab and into the smugglers trunk ?

[Yelcamino]

I guess I am just not sure what you are referring to when you say the "Bulkhead" ? Did you have to go beyond the rear wall of the cab and into the smugglers trunk ?

Sorry, bulkhead is a shipboard term for wall. So yes, I cut to the rear wall of the cab but not into the smugglers box.

[bmbrzmn101]

Herb. great detail on this thread. Keep shooting and wrenching for the other Elky owners like me to show us the problem areas before we start on ours. Such a good looking truck, can't wait to see more.

Chris

[Yelcamino]

Herb. great detail on this thread. Keep shooting and wrenching for the other Elky owners like me to show us the problem areas before we start on ours. Such a good looking truck, can't wait to see more.

Chris

Thanks Chris! I'll try to keep it moving along!

[Motown 454]

It's looking good Herb, a lot of nice parts.

[wfo guy]

Keep plugging! It's going to be a long winter and we need threads to watch. :)

[Yelcamino]

Keep plugging! It's going to be a long winter and we need threads to watch. :)

I'll do my best!

[Josh@Ridetech]

Looking good! Can't wait to see it :headbang:

[Yelcamino]

Well it's been a while since I updated my thread! Aside from being lazy about it, I broke my thumb and tried to amputate it in the process back in November. It's still healing but I'm back at it so I figured I should share what I've been up to. I'm just going to go through the camera and post what's new in no particular order.

Even though I don't need it, I couldn't stop myself from getting a Holley mid-ram...

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It looks even better on the engine!

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My big mile stone is completing the trans tunnel. Since I don't have the ability to form sheet metal I built a skeleton and then cut sheet metal and welded it to the skeleton. It was probably more work then necessary but I think it turned out ok and now there's plenty of room for the TKO.

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I also finished modifying the rear lower control arm mounts to clear the headers.
Here you can see where I cut the back off on the driver side...

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and here it is all welded up with a couple of additional gussets fore and aft.

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There was enough room on the passenger side but I decided to make a little more.

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Since I'm going from a mechanical clutch linkage to a hydraulic, I filled in the hole on the steering column mount plate.

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I added an Improved Racing oil cooler thermostat. Very nice quality product.

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Test fit the PRC radiator, which includes a built in engine oil cooler...

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On Friday I took my wheels to Forgeline for a facelift and a new set of tires. They should be done in about two looooong weeks!

I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting but this should bring you up to date for the most part.

[64G-lark]

Nice job on the transmission tunnel. I never saw it done that way. That was the hardest part for me as well.

[analyte]

Great progress!!

Any hints on the wheel updates?? :cool:

[Yelcamino]

Nice job on the transmission tunnel. I never saw it done that way. That was the hardest part for me as well.

Thanks! I wasn't sure how to get what I wanted with my limited sheet metal skills. After finding inspiration online, I got to it and now it's done!

[Yelcamino]

Great progress!!

Any hints on the wheel updates?? :cool:

Nothing dramatic... just a color change, wider fronts, and new tires.

[Yelcamino]

I got a little creative over the weekend...

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[Josh@Ridetech]

Herb... When I grow up, I want to be just like you! :headbang: :cheers:

[Z06killinSBF]

All I know is that I need some dimple dies! Those pieces look sick!

[Yelcamino]

Herb... When I grow up, I want to be just like you! :headbang: :cheers:

lol, I'll take that as a compliment.


All I know is that I need some dimple dies! Those pieces look sick!

I like dimple dies. Now that I've used them on a few things, I notice I'm looking at other things thinking hmm... maybe I should dimple that!

[Blacksheep66]

I just started following this one, looks great so far.

[MOREHORSEPOWER]

Great looking build !!

[Yelcamino]

I just started following this one, looks great so far.


Great looking build !!

Thanks!

To get the weekend started I finished the harness bar. Now I just need to get it powder coated.

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[wfo guy]

Looking good, one hand wizard!:)

[Yelcamino]

Looking good, one hand wizard!:)

Lol, thanks!

[Yelcamino]

Not much to report from over the weekend other than a radiator cover I made. I had a piece of scrap aluminum taking up space and the next thing I know, I'm bending it and drilling holes and before I knew it, voila!

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After I took this pic, I drilled it for four 1/4-20 bolts and installed nutserts in the core support. It will be powder coated satin black (the rad has since been painted black).

[bmbrzmn101]

I like how you did your harness bar. I was thinking of going under the package shelf in my 67. But after looking at yours it is giving me ideas!! Thanks, chris

[Blacksheep66]

Looks awesome Herb. I had a local guy who I believe is a friend of yours named Mike Holleman who told me about the site. I got a lot of inspiration from your C10 build and will be starting a thread soon on my 66 C10 build.

[Yelcamino]

I like how you did your harness bar. I was thinking of going under the package shelf in my 67. But after looking at yours it is giving me ideas!! Thanks, chris

Thanks!

I originally wanted it below the shelf but there isn’t a good solid place to mount the bar because of the small access panels. I ended up with backing plates inside the pillar to which the bar ends bolt to. The center down bar bolts to a 1/4" thick steel plate that's part of the floor bracing on the trans tunnel.

[Yelcamino]

Looks awesome Herb. I had a local guy who I believe is a friend of yours named Mike Holleman who told me about the site. I got a lot of inspiration from your C10 build and will be starting a thread soon on my 66 C10 build.

Yep I know Mike - he's a great guy! Looking forward to seeing your C10 build!

[Muttley]

Very cool to see where this is going after following your 63 build over on the c10 site, really like the dimpled electronics tray and the way you tied the rear bar into the console, really nice work!

[Yelcamino]

Very cool to see where this is going after following your 63 build over on the c10 site, really like the dimpled electronics tray and the way you tied the rear bar into the console, really nice work!

Thanks!

[Blacksheep66]

Yeah, I hope to get started soon. Gathering parts is always the hard part.

[Yelcamino]

Yesterday was a good day... I got my wheels back from Forgeline with fresh powdercoating and new tires! :bananna2:

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[Josh@Ridetech]

Yesterday was a good day... I got my wheels back from Forgeline with fresh powdercoating and new tires! :bananna2:

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Sweet! That's a nice change!!

[Yelcamino]

Sweet! That's a nice change!!

Thanks!

[MOREHORSEPOWER]

Those look good !!

[analyte]

Love the wheels Herb! They really compliment the yellow.

[Yelcamino]

Those look good !!


Love the wheels Herb! They really compliment the yellow.

Thank you!

[Yelcamino]

Not much new to report. I did get some stuff back from the powdercoating guy including the fan shroud and cap cover for the PRC radiator...

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Other than that, I'm working on remodeling the kitchen for my wife. I guess she thought now would be a good time. :seizure:

[Yelcamino]

I was able to get away from the house project for a bit this weekend and I actually made some progress.

I finally got the Baer ReMaster installed, bent some new brakes lines, and bled the system (in case you're curious, that's a Ring Brothers clutch master on the firewall).

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No pictures, but I finished installing the Vintage Air Gen IV system.

And the big accomplishment, I got the engine in!

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This afternoon I installed the flywheel and clutch. The plan this week is to get the trans in place and either get the engine harness in or start on the exhaust system...

[Paraman1]

Looking Good ! Gotta hurry , spring is almost here :)

[Yelcamino]

Looking Good ! Gotta hurry , spring is almost here :)

Thanks! I'm trying!

[analyte]

Great progress, you'll be on the first drive soon!!!

[Motown 454]

Nice progress! its' coming together nice. That master cylinder looks like a piece of jewelry.

[bello]

Sweet ride !!

It gives me inspirations for my 66 !!

Looking forward to following.

[Yelcamino]

Great progress, you'll be on the first drive soon!!!

Thanks! I'm getting a little closer every day!


Nice progress! its' coming together nice. That master cylinder looks like a piece of jewelry.

Thanks! Yes, Baer makes some nice brake parts.


Sweet ride !!

It gives me inspirations for my 66 !!

Looking forward to following.

Thanks!

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On Friday I put Yelcamino on the ground for the first time. I think it has a nice stance.

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[Josh@Ridetech]

Agreed!

[Blacksheep66]

I love it. Are you close to starting it yet?

[Yelcamino]

I love it. Are you close to starting it yet?

Thanks! I still have to install the harness and build the exhaust system, not to mention a bunch of little things. With that said, I hope to at least get it running in the next few weeks.

[Yelcamino]

I've got a few updates to share...

Almost done with the air intake tube. I just need to weld on the MAF bung and then have it powder coated. I also finished making all the AC and heater hoses.

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I finished making the oil cooler and accusump lines (the zip ties are temporary until I get some actual hose separators).

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The exhaust is done.

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And I figured out my radiator hoses. The upper hose is a Gates 22147 with 1" trimmed of the radiator end. The lower hose is a Gates 22437 with 1" trimmed off the radiator end and about 4.5" trimmed off the water pump end.

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I'm sure there's a bunch of things left to do that I can't think of at the moment, but the only big things now are the engine harness, AC harness, put the interior back together, and a dyno tune once it's up and running.

[analyte]

Plenty of time left to get her ready for Cars and Cones. Looking good!!!

[Yelcamino]

Plenty of time left to get her ready for Cars and Cones. Looking good!!!

Thanks but after spending this much time and money, there's no point in rushing it. Besides, the C10 is ready and willing for Cars & Cones!

[Blacksheep66]

Getting close Herb. What hose and fittings did you use on the oil cooler and accusump? Cannot wait for the first drive.

[Yelcamino]

Getting close Herb. What hose and fittings did you use on the oil cooler and accusump? Cannot wait for the first drive.

Yep, a little closer every day. I used Aeroquip socketless -10 hose and fittings. It's good to 250 psi, -40 to 300 temp range, and is easy to assemble.

[Blacksheep66]

Thanks for the info. I am new to this turning corners and stuff, I drag raced for 20+ years but now I am building the 66 C10 to brake and turn.

[Yelcamino]

Following some wiring gremlins, I finally got the LS3 up and running!

Gpsr16d5A-A

[analyte]

Awesome!! It sounds very healthy!!!

I can't wait to see her in person. LS-Fest 2016??

[Nicks67GTO]

Nice! Sounds great!

Question. You mentioned above about getting some hose seperators. Where are you sourcing those from? I couldn't find much last time I looked.

[Yelcamino]

Awesome!! It sounds very healthy!!!

I can't wait to see her in person. LS-Fest 2016??

Thanks and yes I'm planning on LS-Fest this year!


Nice! Sounds great!

Question. You mentioned above about getting some hose seperators. Where are you sourcing those from? I couldn't find much last time I looked.

Thanks Nick. Billet Specialties (http://www.billetspecialties.com/engine-dress-up/hoses-and-accessories/billet-hose-separators/) makes some and I've seen others, I just have to find them again.

[sodak65]

Coming along great! What are you planning to do with steam line from the heads? Ate you running the pcv to a catch can?

[Yelcamino]

Coming along great! What are you planning to do with steam line from the heads? Ate you running the pcv to a catch can?

Thanks! The steam line goes to a fitting on the radiator. Yes, the PCV goes to a Mighty Mouse catch can.

[Josh@Ridetech]

Good job Herb!

[Motown 454]

It sounds great Herb. Is that bottom hose a 1-1/2" ID ?

[Yelcamino]

It sounds great Herb. Is that bottom hose a 1-1/2" ID ?

Thanks Wayne. If you're referring to the lower rad hose, yes it's 1-1/2" ID.

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Good job Herb!

Thanks Josh.

[Yelcamino]

Sorry no pictures or videos, but I took Yelcamino for it's first test drive yesterday! I was impressed. It drove good, sounded good, it even felt like it had some power! However, a few things need to be addressed...

1. As I came to a stop, the engine would idle down almost sounding like it was going to stall, but then it would catch itself and the idle would increase.
2. The exhaust would cackle and pop on deceleration (my '08 Vette did the same thing and I was told that just something LS engines do).
3. I need to bleed the brakes again.

I assume tuning will cure 1 and 2.

Overall it was a good first test drive! :woot:

[Josh@Ridetech]

2. The exhaust would cackle and pop on deceleration (my '08 Vette did the same thing and I was told that just something LS engines do).


Dang newfangled technology.... :rotfl:

[analyte]

Herb,
My car did #1 as well with the starter tune. Once the final tune was complete, no more issues so this is definitely tunable.

Kerry

[Yelcamino]

Last Thursday I loaded Yelcamino on the trailer and took it to Mike Norris Motorsports in Plainfield Indiana for a dyno tune.

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Here she is all tied down and ready to go. I wasn't sure what to expect but I was looking forward to getting it tuned up!

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I'm happy with the results to say the least! 454 hp and 412 ft/lb at the wheels for a stock LS3 with a cam and headers is pretty good in my book!

[sodak65]

That's great Herb! Looks and sounds fantastic, what are the specs on that comp cam? I went with the Mast ls3 SS cam and ecm, I'd love to hit those numbers but I'm down almost a point on compression. Thanks for the inspiration.

[Shacks67NR]

Herb, whats the specs on the suspension setup? LOVE the stance. Im in parts procurement stage of my 67 Temp Custom. It's going to be a street cruiser but daddy will take it out solo at times when needed without my girls.
I'll most likely never to AutoX. Just want the suspension to be there and the 'ol Pontiac to sit and handle right, like yours.

Thank you sir, Nick-

[Motown 454]

Nice Herb! That should be fun to drive.

[Yelcamino]

It’s been a while since I updated my thread so here goes…

I downsized the sound system (no subs and only one amp) and started to mock up the rear speakers and four-channel amp. Once the interior is done, I’ll install it to stay.

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Thanks to help from my friend Josh, I was able to put together a custom splined front bar. It’s stiffer than the old bent bar and provides a lot more room for the wider front tires.

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Speaking of tires, the Bridgestone RE11 tires are certainly sticky!

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Not really performance oriented, but I added a bed cover the other day. I’m not a big fan of these things, but it does help keep the rain off the luggage.

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Following the dyno tune, I’ve been trying to get some miles on the engine prior to my first event – Motor State Challenge 2016. Not having been on track in some time, I was pretty rusty to say the least. Thanks to the updated suspension and sticky tires, Yelcamino felt great on track! Officially I had the slowest lap times at Gingerman, but I’m sure with a more skilled driver, Yelcamino could put down respectable numbers.

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

Two thumbs up!!

[Josh@Ridetech]

Looks really good Herb! I need to come over and check it out.

[Nicks67GTO]

Looking good Herb! I might add motorstate to my schedule next year. It's actually closer than Midwest musclecar.

[Yelcamino]

Two thumbs up!!

Thanks Ben!


Looks really good Herb! I need to come over and check it out.

Thanks Josh! Stop by any time!


Looking good Herb! I might add motorstate to my schedule next year. It's actually closer than Midwest musclecar.

Thanks Nick! Motor State is a great event! It's a low stress have a good time environment.

[Rod]

truck LOOKS awesome!!!




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[Yelcamino]

truck LOOKS awesome!!!

Thanks Rodney!

[Josh@Ridetech]

When are we taking burnout pictures of the El Camino? :6gears:

[Yelcamino]

When are we taking burnout pictures of the El Camino? :6gears:

I already have a bunch of those! :twothumbs

[LeftHandThreads]

Wheres Mike Norris Motorsports at in Plainfield? I work/live near Plainfield and haven't ever noticed it.

[Yelcamino]

Wheres Mike Norris Motorsports at in Plainfield? I work/live near Plainfield and haven't ever noticed it.

Sorry for taking so long to respond, I've been pretty busy lately! Here's the link to Mike Norris's page with his contact info (http://www.mikenorrismotorsports.com/Home_Page.php).

[Yelcamino]

Nothing new to report other than getting some seat time in the El. A couple of weeks ago I did a SCCA autocross and last weekend the LS Fest. Here are a couple of shots my wife got of me on course at the NCM...

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[Yelcamino]

Herb, whats the specs on the suspension setup? LOVE the stance. Im in parts procurement stage of my 67 Temp Custom. It's going to be a street cruiser but daddy will take it out solo at times when needed without my girls.
I'll most likely never to AutoX. Just want the suspension to be there and the 'ol Pontiac to sit and handle right, like yours.

Thank you sir, Nick-

Nick,

Thanks for the compliments and I apologize for not responding sooner. The suspension consists of front uppers and lowers from Global West with ATS spindles, custom valved Ridetech rebound adjustable shocks, a splined 1-1/4" front bar, and a pair of Ridetech 750 lb/in coil springs. The rear has uppers and lowers from Global West, custom valved Ridetech rebound adjustable shocks, no rear bar, and 150 lb/in springs.

[Yelcamino]

Since last August I've been pretty busy with going to school full time, but in between classes I made time to replace the TKO600 with a T56 Magnum from Bowler (https://www.bowlertransmissions.com/).

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Obviously I started with the removal of the TKO600.

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Next I installed the LS7 flywheel and block protector. Since I wanted to check the bellhousing alignment and I couldn't get the dial indicator's base to sit securely on the flywheel bolts, I cut a 1/4” thick plate for it to attach to. Not only did the base sit flat and secure, it also made the center post stick further through the hole in the trans plate making it a little easier to attach the dial indicator.

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Following that I installed the Quicktime bellhousing (https://www.holley.com/products/drivetrain/bellhousings/bellhousing/parts/RM-8020) and the front plate from the T56. First I checked to make sure the bell was parallel to the block (it was)…

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Then I checked concentricity and came up with a total runout of .007”.

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Let me back up a bit. Prior to the Quicktime bellhousing, I had originally bought a stock aluminum bellhousing but ran into an issue with the starter not fitting. After doing a little research, it turns out this is common depending on which version of starter and bellhousing you use. At first I did a little grinding on the starter nose to make it fit.

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Here you can see where the starter nose hit the aluminum bell (marked with copper color).

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I could have ground on the bell to make room, but I acquired a $250 gift certificate to Bowler, so I exchanged the aluminum bell for the Quicktime thinking I wouldn’t have any fitment issues.

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Turns out I had the same issue with the Quicktime, so out came the grinder!
In this pic, you see on the left before I clearanced the block protector and on the right after.

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And here’s the bell before and after grinding…

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With the bellhousing aligned, I installed the LS7 clutch assembly and reinstalled the bellhousing for the final time.

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With that done, I installed the TO bearing, measured for the air gap, and adjusted it.

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Before I put the T56 in, I installed the new Tilton clutch MC and mounting kit I got from Bowler. It’s model specific to the early A-bodies and it fit very good. Because I have a hydroboost, the MC needed to be mounted on its side so the fittings didn’t run into the hydroboost body. The mounting bracket from Bowler has mounting holes so the MC can be upright or on its side without ruining the geometry between it and the clutch pedal. On this version of the MC, there are two outlet ports to choose from, one on top and the other at the end of the MC body. I used the one at the end.

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There’s also this little adapter the bolts to the clutch pedal so the linkage rod pushes into the MC at the correct angle. Overall, this is a nice kit and I’ll be sure to install one of these on the Chevelle when I get back to it.

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The next big step was getting the T56 installed. Other than having to massage the passenger side of the trans tunnel and trimming two little casting tabs off the side of the trans body, it fit in my custom trans tunnel like a charm!

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Because the T56 is longer than the TKO and the trans mount is further back, I had to relocate the crossmember, which also necessitated modifying the exhaust. To relocate the crossmember, I cut the original mounting tabs off the frame to make room for these new tabs I made.

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In this final shot, you can see the new tabs on the frame and the modified exaust (the X needed to be moved back to the clear the crossmember in its new location).

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I still have to connect the three trans sensors, build a small console, and get the interior finished. Once I get those things knocked out, I think I'll be ready for the 2017 season.

[Rod]

whoa!!! awesome progress!!

[andrewb70]

Nice progress! Are you using the 5th gen camaro starter?

Andrew

[Yelcamino]

whoa!!! awesome progress!!

Thanks!

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Nice progress! Are you using the 5th gen camaro starter?

Andrew

I think that's the one I have. I just went with the starter part number that was recommended back when I did the LS swap.

[andrewb70]

Thanks!

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I think that's the one I have. I just went with the starter part number that was recommended back when I did the LS swap.

The 5th gen Camaro starter uses a plug for the solenoid wire. I used it on my Cougar and had to grind the bellhousing for clearance. It was minimal. There is an OEM heatshild that is used on the Camaro and it bolts right to the starter. Highly recommended.

Andrew

[Yelcamino]

The 5th gen Camaro starter uses a plug for the solenoid wire. I used it on my Cougar and had to grind the bellhousing for clearance. It was minimal. There is an OEM heatshild that is used on the Camaro and it bolts right to the starter. Highly recommended.

Andrew

Ok, then I have the Camaro starter because I had to add a pigtail to connect it.

[Michaels 69]

lol, I'll take that as a compliment.



I like dimple dies. Now that I've used them on a few things, I notice I'm looking at other things thinking hmm... maybe I should dimple that!

Where did you buy your dimple dies from? Love the look of your car too!!

[Yelcamino]

Where did you buy your dimple dies from? Love the look of your car too!!

I bought them from a guy on the C10 Forum. IIRC, he worked at a machine shop and made some sets to sell.

Thanks!

[Michaels 69]

I bought them from a guy on the C10 Forum. IIRC, he worked at a machine shop and made some sets to sell.

Thanks!

Very cool, I want to find a good cheap set sometime if that's possible. LOL

Why did you change out the tremec TKO600 for the T56? What are you going to do with the TKO600?

[andrewb70]

Very cool, I want to find a good cheap set sometime if that's possible. LOL

Why did you change out the tremec TKO600 for the T56?....

The TR6060 (T56 Magnum) is superior in every way to the TKO 600...

Andrew

[Yelcamino]

Why did you change out the tremec TKO600 for the T56? What are you going to do with the TKO600?


The TR6060 (T56 Magnum) is superior in every way to the TKO 600...

What Andrew said is one of the main reasons I made the change. The TKO is for sale... it might be sold, but if it falls through I'll post it here.

[Michaels 69]

The TR6060 (T56 Magnum) is superior in every way to the TKO 600...

Andrew

Good to know Andrew, I don't know much on the TR6050 T56.


What Andrew said is one of the main reasons I made the change. The TKO is for sale... it might be sold, but if it falls through I'll post it here.

The TR6060 is bigger then the TKO? I'll keep a look out for a T56 for my cougar.

[andrewb70]

The T56 is one transmission, the TR6060, is similar, but a different animal. For simplicity, Tremec calls the aftermarket version of the TR6060 a T56 Magnum. However, very few parts, if any, interchange between the T56 and the TR6060.

If you're starting from scratch, the easiest option is to just get a T56 Magnum, as it has the latest technology but it is also easily adaptable to older vehicles.

Andrew

[Josh@Ridetech]

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I still have to connect the three trans sensors, build a small console, and get the interior finished. Once I get those things knocked out, I think I'll be ready for the 2017 season.

Everything is looking great Herb! Love seeing the progress of your cars/truck.

[Yelcamino]

Everything is looking great Herb! Love seeing the progress of your cars/truck.

Thanks Josh! :cheers:

[Michaels 69]

The T56 is one transmission, the TR6060, is similar, but a different animal. For simplicity, Tremec calls the aftermarket version of the TR6060 a T56 Magnum. However, very few parts, if any, interchange between the T56 and the TR6060.

If you're starting from scratch, the easiest option is to just get a T56 Magnum, as it has the latest technology but it is also easily adaptable to older vehicles.

Andrew

Good to know Andrew thank you for the info.

Michael

[Yelcamino]

Over the last few days I built a console. It's far from a professional level but I think it turned out ok.

I started with a sheet of 18 gauge mild steel and after a few templates, cut, fit, trim, fit, trim some more, I eventually ended up with this:

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I still need to cut holes for a pair of cup holders and build the mounts to hold it in place.

[andrewb70]

Over the last few days I built a console. It's far from a professional level but I think it turned out ok.

I started with a sheet of 18 gauge mild steel and after a few templates, cut, fit, trim, fit, trim some more, I eventually ended up with this:

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I still need to cut holes for a pair of cup holders build the mounts to hold it in place.

Cup holders #racecar...LOL

Andrew

[Yelcamino]

Cup holders #racecar...LOL

Andrew

Come on now, the El Camino isn't a racecar. :drive:

Here it is with the cup holders :bananna2: and I even put in a slot to hold my cel phone!

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[Yelcamino]

I know you guys have been dying for updates on Yelcamino, so here they are!

I've had an open car trailer for a while and though it gets the job done, I‘ve always wanted an enclosed car trailer, but a nice one is pretty pricey so I haven’t bothered. A few weeks ago I found a used one with all the bells and whistles for a decent price and I had a buyer for my open trailer, so I jumped on it. It’s a 2012 model, it has AC, roll out awning, ceiling vents, a Warn winch, and a finished interior.

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April 1st rolls around and Yelcamino is loaded in the new trailer ready to go to Putnam Park for some road course time with the 10/10ths group. My first session out the car was feeling good, the track was fun, and I was getting familiar with the layout…

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Fast forward to my second session… The first four or five laps were a repeat of the first session, then coming down the front straight around 110 mph, there was a huge “boom” that was loud enough for my wife to hear it from where she was standing taking pictures! Following the boom was the tell tale sign of a drive shaft coming apart. This wasn’t how I wanted to end my track day, but it wasn’t the worst thing that could happen, or so I thought.

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Fortunately, my new trailer came equipped with a nice Warn winch so getting Yelcamino loaded wasn’t too big of an issue. After I got it home and up on the lift, I expected to see a blown u-joint, but instead I was greeted with this:

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If you’re not sure what that is, it’s the passenger side of the block where the starter used to mount but now the starter is laying on the header with pieces of the block still attached to it. This explains why when I turned the key, I could hear the starter spin, but it wasn’t engaging the flywheel. My first thought was the clutch and/or flywheel exploded, but after seeing the starter laying there, I realized why the starter wasn’t engaging the flywheel.

Looking at the drive shaft revealed the culprit was one of those little 15 cent spiral locks that hold the u-joint cap in place.

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I don’t know if the spiral lock failed or just came out of the groove, but when it did, it must have rocked the transmission pretty hard. Hard enough that the side of the block broke off or maybe the Quicktime bell housing hit the nose of the starter with enough force to break it off the side of the block!!!

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Looking at this picture, the casting appears to be pretty thin. But how many millions of these blocks are in service on and off the track? At this point, what actually happened is anyone’s guess.
I spent the last week being pissed off, but now it’s time to get up, dust myself off, and get this thing fixed!

With my attitude corrected, I got on the phone with the Driveshaft Shop and ordered a dual CV joint shaft. After they shipped a rear CV flange for the Currie 9”, I reinstalled the T56 and measured for the new shaft. No more spiral locks for me! Step one done.

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So now that you are up to date, my next issue is what to do with the engine. Obviously I need a new block. Checking with Summit, a new LS3 block, part # 12623967, is a little over $1500. However, since I have to tear the engine down, I can’t help but think of what I can do to make it better. I happen to have a virgin cast iron 6.0L block sitting in my shop so I was thinking I could get an all forged stroker kit for a little more money than a new LS3 block, have some machine work done on the 6.0L block, bolt all the LS3 components on and have a stout 408 cid LS! You know, the silver lining and all that!

My concern is, will all the LS3 components fit on the 6.0L block? Maybe you LS experts can chime in? Does this sound like a good plan?

[andrewb70]

WOW....that is super unfortunate. I am eager to hear your report after you install the double CV driveshaft! When you install it, make sure you mark the CV bolts with a paint marker and check the often. They tend to come loose.

I do not believe that a 6.0L block can be bored out enough to accommodate the stock 6.2L piston, but I am not 100% sure. The simplest thing would be to just get a new LS3 or LSA block. The LSA block will have piston squirters which might be a great upgrade.

Andrew

[454bug]

Hey Herb,

I'm sorry to hear about your misfortunes! The new setup is really sweet. This issue sure sounds like the perfect storm scenario. I've never heard of this kind of failure (block breakage).

Good luck with your choices. I have always been one to opt for light weight over a few more horsepower... With my race car, I can out run everyone on the track in the straights but they smoke me in the braking zones/corners! Going lighter is usually less harmful to other parts as well. It breaks less things and the tires and brakes last longer... But, there is nothing like more power... Tough choice!

It's great you cooled off and are ready to hit it again. I spent $10,000 on a top of the line DSS short block for my race car motor and in just one 8-hour race, we split the block from the crank webbing to the cam journals! You talk about needing a cool-down period before deciding to get a new Dart block and start over! I went with DSS' recommendation and thought all of their engine prep and main stud support system would be sufficient. 8 hours later, we had a cracked motor! Just another $1,500 in the first place (for the Dart block upgrade) and we would still be racing on that motor! Then, DSS wants to only give us $500 off another short block! This is an expensive hobby!

By the way, REALLY nice trailer! :cheers:

[Yelcamino]

WOW....that is super unfortunate. I am eager to hear your report after you install the double CV driveshaft! When you install it, make sure you mark the CV bolts with a paint marker and check the often. They tend to come loose.

I do not believe that a 6.0L block can be bored out enough to accommodate the stock 6.2L piston, but I am not 100% sure. The simplest thing would be to just get a new LS3 or LSA block. The LSA block will have piston squirters which might be a great upgrade.

Andrew

Yeah, it is super unfortunate Andrew. But chit happens I guess. That's good to know about the CV bolts. I'll have to check the one on my C10 to make sure they're still tight.

I was aware the 6.0L couldn't take the LS3 pistons (I guess it could but I've been reading about the need to sonic test the block before boring that much) but I wasn't sure about the rest of the components. I'm still on the fence about just replacing the block or building a stouter short block with the 6.0L. The 6.0L idea will cost a bit more than just replacing the block, but it will have more cubes and an all forged bottom end along with ARP bolts.

[Yelcamino]

Hey Herb,

I'm sorry to hear about your misfortunes! The new setup is really sweet. This issue sure sounds like the perfect storm scenario. I've never heard of this kind of failure (block breakage).

Good luck with your choices. I have always been one to opt for light weight over a few more horsepower... With my race car, I can out run everyone on the track in the straights but they smoke me in the braking zones/corners! Going lighter is usually less harmful to other parts as well. It breaks less things and the tires and brakes last longer... But, there is nothing like more power... Tough choice!

It's great you cooled off and are ready to hit it again. I spent $10,000 on a top of the line DSS short block for my race car motor and in just one 8-hour race, we split the block from the crank webbing to the cam journals! You talk about needing a cool-down period before deciding to get a new Dart block and start over! I went with DSS' recommendation and thought all of their engine prep and main stud support system would be sufficient. 8 hours later, we had a cracked motor! Just another $1,500 in the first place (for the Dart block upgrade) and we would still be racing on that motor! Then, DSS wants to only give us $500 off another short block! This is an expensive hobby!

By the way, REALLY nice trailer! :cheers:

This failure was a surprise to me for sure. I've had drive shafts and u-joints go before but never did it cause so much collateral damage. Maybe I've been lucky in the past.

As for trying to save weight, it's not that big of a deal for this car. Even with the all aluminum LS3 it still tipped the scales at 3700 lbs. On top of that, it's not a race car so adding 100 lbs or so by going to a cast iron block is a non-issue. However, the Chevelle is a different story and it will be on a serious diet!

Bummer about your short block. Yeah this is an expensive hobby but for some reason, we keep on keepin' on!

Thanks and yes the trailer is pretty nice. The Warn winch was a cool surprise that wasn't in the ad.

[Yelcamino]

A quick update...

I brought the T56 to Bowler to have them check it out and they found a broken shift rail guide.

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Things are starting to move forward: Bowler is fixing the trans, I ordered a dual CV joint shaft from the Driveshaft Shop, and I got a 408" shortblock in the works.

[Josh@Ridetech]

Dang, Herb. You don't halfway do anything (even when you're breaking stuff :P).

[BuddyP]

Wow what a bum deal. Who's driveshaft is it? Was it an recent addition to the car?

Also, is that new asphalt at Putnum I see in one of your photos?

[Yelcamino]

Dang, Herb. You don't halfway do anything (even when you're breaking stuff :P).

Lol, thanks Josh!

[Yelcamino]

Wow what a bum deal. Who's driveshaft is it? Was it an recent addition to the car?

Also, is that new asphalt at Putnum I see in one of your photos?

It was a Denny's driveshaft and was a leftover from another project that happened to be the right length following the T56 install. It was supposed to be temporary until I could get a dual CV shaft and since everything was working well, I kept putting off ordering the new shaft. Procrastination cost me big this time!

Speaking of the CV shaft, it arrived yesterday.

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Yes there is new asphalt at Putnam.