World War Z - LSA powered 1970.5 RS ZL1 with Full RideTech Stage 2

[Zapper]

We are finally at the last stages of bringing World War Z to reality.....



2013 LSA with 6L90e Paddleshift Trans
Current Performance LSA Harness
BTR Stage III Blower Cam
Lingenfelter Blower Pulley
Nitrous Outlet 200hp Cheater System
Custom Dual Pump LS Fuel System
Full BRP Muscle Rods LS Swap kit with long tube headers.
Holley LS swap oil pan and custom trans pan
custom dual K&N Ram Air intake / parking light delete
ANVIL Auto Full Carbon Hood / Inner Fenders / Fender Support Rods
Ring Brothers body hardware and door strikers
Full Carbon Fiber front and back bumpers
Billet Hood Struts




RideTech Stage 2 full air suspension system
SPC fully adjustable Tubular uppper control arms
14" Wilwood Brakes
RSV Forged Custom 19x11 and 19x13.5 Wheels
Detroit Speed wheel tubs




Full Alcantera and Leather custom interior
Full RACEPAK iQ3 dash kit
Sparco seats, Alcantera Steering Wheel and belts
Push Button trans controller and Paddleshifters from SHRIFTER


All custom body, fender flares, exhuast and engine mods by Cyrious GarageWorks

Looking to finish the fender flares and do some full dyno pulls in the next 2 weeks

[rchaskin]

Awesome....Forget the fender flares. Id leave it just like that.

[CampbellshotrodsAZ]

Looks wicked! And let's see the fender flares! An alternative benefit is they contain crap from flinging all around and landing on top of the car.

[RLJ676]

Bad ass.

I'm building a 72 w LSA supercharged motor myself. Couple questions if you don't mind...

Would a regular anvil hood fit, or only power bulge? I have a power bulge on order (forever....) but might want flat if it fits. What mounts did you use?

Are you running AC, what did you do for compressor?

Love the car!

[andrewb70]

Looks cool but is it even drivable?

Andrew

[raustinss]

Who cares about driveable ....stellar car...where abouts in Ontario are you ? . I would'nt mind checking it out some time . I could also hook you up with a awesome LS builder/tuner if needed.

[Motown 454]

Nice car! I love the name. It looks Wicked!!!

[andrewb70]

Who cares about driveable ....stellar car...where abouts in Ontario are you ? . I would'nt mind checking it out some time . I could also hook you up with a awesome LS builder/tuner if needed.

Well, if you can't drive it, then it's not a car, it's art. I'm not opposed to art, just don't pretend it's a car...lol

Andrew

[parsonsj]

It seems like there's not much suspension travel, especially in compression.

I do like the split bumper 2nd gens.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

well it says in his mod list that hes on Ridetech Air.. im sure its down for the pics..

I like how its lookin for sure and a cool name!

[raustinss]

well it says in his mod list that hes on Ridetech Air.. im sure its down for the pics..

I like how its lookin for sure and a cool name!


Bingo!

[Zapper]

Bad ass.

I'm building a 72 w LSA supercharged motor myself. Couple questions if you don't mind...

Would a regular anvil hood fit, or only power bulge? I have a power bulge on order (forever....) but might want flat if it fits. What mounts did you use?

Are you running AC, what did you do for compressor?

Love the car!

I believe that regular Anvil good will clear. The LSA should clear a stock good as well, depending on how you mount it.

I'm not running A/C

[Zapper]

Who cares about driveable ....stellar car...where abouts in Ontario are you ? . I would'nt mind checking it out some time . I could also hook you up with a awesome LS builder/tuner if needed.

Well, if you can't drive it, then it's not a car, it's art. I'm not opposed to art, just don't pretend it's a car...lol

Andrew

Full RideTech Stage 2 system is full adjustable

[Zapper]

Who cares about driveable ....stellar car...where abouts in Ontario are you ? . I would'nt mind checking it out some time . I could also hook you up with a awesome LS builder/tuner if needed.

I'm in Mississauga, just outside of Toronto.

[raustinss]

I'm in Mississauga, just outside of Toronto.
nice ..if your ever down this way id love to see it ...beers on me

[Hellrace]

Nice build and with the correct parts :-)
I'm doing the same with my 70 camaro, Martz chassi, tigercage and of course the lsa 6L90e combination, I have some question regarding this because I have only fitted the engine and tranny. Is it possible for to put some more pictures so I can see how you have solved the positioning of things, thinking of the tranny how the engine sits etc.
And how did you get the padel shifter to work ?
This is the build that get give me some directions with my own build :seizure::seizure::seizure::seizure:

Here is a picture from mine

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[andrewb70]

Full RideTech Stage 2 system is full adjustable

Can we see a picture of it at driving ride height?

Andrew

[Jerico]

BADASS! Was the chin spoiler bought or built?

[RLJ676]

I believe that regular Anvil good will clear. The LSA should clear a stock good as well, depending on how you mount it.

I'm not running A/C

Cool, thanks. Any pics w/ hood down?

If you skipped AC due to packaging it in there Qwik has a new low mount for the mini sanden that is supposed to fit. I should know for sure in about a week.

[Zapper]

Cool, thanks. Any pics w/ hood down?

If you skipped AC due to packaging it in there Qwik has a new low mount for the mini sanden that is supposed to fit. I should know for sure in about a week.

More pics

[Zapper]

From this weekend's Fitted Lifestyle Car Show...we won BEST ENGINE!

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Yeeea... I like that.


what did you do to mount that splitter to the rear wing?.. what mounting hardware?

[andrewb70]

Sorry guys...I am just not feeling it at all. I bet the car looks like doody when it is at driving ride height, and frankly, it just looks like a modern version of this:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/08/b0f1fc59065f5d75b285f9a1014e3fb1-1.jpg

Andrew

[DJW32]

I love it! How wide are the front tires?

[MTZ28]

Love the exhaust through the rear quarters, looking to do the same on my car. Where did you get the exhaust trim?

[MrQuick]

I saw this car on IG, pretty cool but those fenders don't cut into the tires? I can't wait to see the flares on this thing.

Andrew, its the new look for the future.....remember back in 03 when I said scalloped rotors will end up on pro-touring cars one day? :)

[Zapper]

Yeeea... I like that.


what did you do to mount that splitter to the rear wing?.. what mounting hardware?

We actually used the hardware from the 3 piece wheels. We used it for the exhaust flange as well.

[Zapper]

Sorry guys...I am just not feeling it at all. I bet the car looks like doody when it is at driving ride height, and frankly, it just looks like a modern version of this:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/08/b0f1fc59065f5d75b285f9a1014e3fb1-1.jpg

Andrew

The car is 95%. We have already created fender flares for the car which will be installed next week and change the entire look

[andrewb70]

The car is 95%. We have already created fender flares for the car which will be installed next week and change the entire look

So you're saying that you will be able to drive it at the ride height that you have been showing?

Andrew

[Josh@Ridetech]

That's wicked...

[Zapper]

The car is 95%. We have already created fender flares for the car which will be installed next week and change the entire look

So you're saying that you will be able to drive it at the ride height that you have been showing?

Andrew

The car is on a full RideTech Stage 2 suspension. Ride Height is completely adjustable

[Justin@EntropyRad]

Sickness!

[RLJ676]

More pics

Thanks, love it! But then again as a guy w/ a gray 72 w/ an LSA supercharged motor how wouldn't I. Glad I went powebulge hoot I think, turns out I have to fit my motor but it looks sick w/ the gray.

[andrewb70]

The car is on a full RideTech Stage 2 suspension. Ride Height is completely adjustable

Yes, I get it. Ride height is adjustable. You're not answering my question.

Andrew

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Yes, I get it. Ride height is adjustable. You're not answering my question.

Andrew

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/08/Interrogation-1.png

Loool..

[andrewb70]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/08/Interrogation-1.png

Loool..

Precisely! Answer the question...LOL

Andrew

[67goatman455]

he has it as aired out for show purpose.

[andrewb70]

he has it as aired out for show purpose.

Yes, I get that.

I was asking him to post pictures of what the car looks like when it is at driving ride height. Maybe the car isn't even running yet, so that's why no pictures...

Andrew

[LUV2XLR8]

From this weekend's Fitted Lifestyle Car Show...we won BEST ENGINE!

Where are your exhaust outlets from??

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

I was asking him to post pictures of what the car looks like when it is at driving ride height.



https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/08/tumblr_inline_ntg28728dh1qzuhzs_540-1.gif
^ Zapper




I love how it looks personally.. even with the Mexi-Flush.. just because its more ignorant and thats just right up my alley.

[Zapper]

Yes, I get that.

I was asking him to post pictures of what the car looks like when it is at driving ride height. Maybe the car isn't even running yet, so that's why no pictures...

Andrew

This is the car at ride height

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And this is it running


https://youtu.be/P3anBzXMkBk

[Zapper]

Where are your exhaust outlets from??

Those are some custom pieces we crafted up based on some offshore racing boat concepts

[Gil]

Looks cool !
I like the Japanese cars stretched and slammed drift looking...
but why not a 2JZ-GTE or RB26DETT twin-turbo instead of an LSA ?
Is it just a show car or will you drift with it ?
Gil

[Zapper]

Looks cool !
I like the Japanese cars stretched and slammed drift looking...
but why not a 2JZ-GTE or RB26DETT twin-turbo instead of an LSA ?
Is it just a show car or will you drift with it ?
Gil


Thanks Gil!

Actually, the car is being built by Pat Cyr from Cyrious GarageWorks who just one Formula Drift Canada's Driver of the year. He has a 2JZ equipped FRS putting down over 640hp to the wheels.

The concept for World War Z was always to build the 1970.5 ZL1 that GM never built and i got a really good deal on the LSA and 6L90 trans, which made the decision easy.

The car is a real Street Fighter and not a show car.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

The car is a real Street Fighter and not a show car.



S'right.. definitely a Streetfighter..with a stance twist

[parsonsj]

And this is it runningAndrew is right to be skeptical. That's no ride height, any more than the video is of it "running". Let's see it with the fender flares, and actually being used as a car. If not, and it's a show car, no problem here. It does look sweet, and it is great art.

[Zapper]

Andrew is right to be skeptical. That's no ride height, any more than the video is of it "running". Let's see it with the fender flares, and actually being used as a car. If not, and it's a show car, no problem here. It does look sweet, and it is great art.


Skeptical?

Last time I checked this is a "PROJECTS" forum. Projects in all states and phases.

My car is 95% complete with just fender flares pending and some wiring.

Not sure why ride height on a full RideTech adjustable air ride suspension matters and would only classify it as a showcar? Ride Height can be anything i want it to be, which is why i picked the system to begin with.

Its built as a fully functioning street/track machine in its final phases.

Are all cars "show-cars" if you don't see it "being used as car" in a projects forum?

[parsonsj]

Sorry Zapper. Your car hasn't been seen as a project car because we haven't seen the project, as near as I can tell. My apologies if I've missed a build thread (which is very possible).

Mostly, this particular thread has been about "stance", with the car sitting at impossible to drive ride heights. A car being photographed outside at car shows that can't be driven in that form is a show car by definition.

Anyway, please keep us updated. Let's see those fender flares, and the car sitting at an actual ride height (say 2" of suspension compression, 4" of road clearance).

[Zapper]

Sorry Zapper. Your car hasn't been seen as a project car because we haven't seen the project, as near as I can tell. My apologies if I've missed a build thread (which is very possible).

Mostly, this particular thread has been about "stance", with the car sitting at impossible to drive ride heights. A car being photographed outside at car shows that can't be driven in that form is a show car by definition.

Anyway, please keep us updated. Let's see those fender flares, and the car sitting at an actual ride height (say 2" of suspension compression, 4" of road clearance).


John....just to be clear....just because you deem something impossible in your mind, does not mean someone has already engineered it to be possible. I appreciate your doubt as it's obviously pushed you out of your comfort zone, which is exactly why we built the car.

You understand that the car be raised 6" higher than its parked height with the RideTech system, right?

So if i air it up at full extension and drive it around is it still a "show-car"?

Not sure i'm comprehending your logic, as i am not running a static suspension set-up.

[andrewb70]

John....just to be clear....just because you deem something impossible in your mind, does not mean someone has already engineered it to be possible. I appreciate your doubt as it's obviously pushed you out of your comfort zone, which is exactly why we built the car.

You understand that the car be raised 6" higher than its parked height with the RideTech system, right?

So if i air it up at full extension and drive it around is it still a "show-car"?

Not sure i'm comprehending your logic, as i am not running a static suspension set-up.

My point is that once you raise the ride height to a level where it is drivable, it won't look nearly as cool...

Andrew

[Oregon]

Maybe there is just some miscommunication here...

You are saying "This is the car at ride height" and then posting a picture that shows what looks like 1"-1.5" of clearance between the tire and the fender lip. This height isn't going to be functional unless it's running wooden blocks for suspension. Then you mention "the car be raised 6" higher than its parked height" ... which means that the pictures are in fact not showing ride height...they are showing parked height.

Either way, the car looks killer.

[parsonsj]

Zapper, your car is impossible to drive with 3/4" of suspension compression as shown in the photos. If you drive it like that you'll be cutting tires and wrinkling sheetmetal. No engineering in the world can fix the reality of what a 3500 lb car will do at .8g stops, starts, and turns.

I love well-engineered cars, and yours looks great. No one is asking to see how high the car can be. Give us some credit for actually understanding air springs and how they work.

I'd love to see the car at an actual ride height.

[Zapper]

My point is that once you raise the ride height to a level where it is drivable, it won't look nearly as cool...

Andrew

Thats why you have to design the fender flares at both parked and ride height.

At parked height the tires will actually tuck up into the flare and the car will look even lower than the current pics.

At ride height, the fender flares will be the same distance from the tire as the current parked height.

I know it might be hard to envision, but we've mocked it up over the past 2 months to make sure it looks incredible at both heights.

If you take a look at the LibertyWalk 458/Aventador/GT-R they look great both dumped and at ride height.

[Zapper]

Maybe there is just some miscommunication here...

You are saying "This is the car at ride height" and then posting a picture that shows what looks like 1"-1.5" of clearance between the tire and the fender lip. This height isn't going to be functional unless it's running wooden blocks for suspension. Then you mention "the car be raised 6" higher than its parked height" ... which means that the pictures are in fact not showing ride height...they are showing parked height.

Either way, the car looks killer.

I think its just miscommunication....

The pic from the rear (and the video as well) is of ride height and the problem is you are estimating a 1-1.5" clearance when there is actually 2.5" of clearance.

I mentioned i could raise the car to 6 inches higher to make the point that this is not a show car and can be driven at any height i want.

[CampbellshotrodsAZ]

The pic from the rear (and the video as well) is of ride height and the problem is you are estimating a 1-1.5" clearance when there is actually 2.5" of clearance.


Nah, I'm not seeing that. Using parts of the car for scale, like the mirror height which I estimate to be 3", and say a regular 2.5" exhaust pipe relative to the scale of the car... I don't see the diameter of the tailpipe above either tire. You couldn't fit a VW peashooter over the rear tire. The front actually looks like 0.75-1.0" clearance to me.

Don't want to see like I'm just jumping in to beat up anyone, but we all just like to know the functionality of everything we see, we're all very mechanically minded. At that height, though it might be able to idle through the fairgrounds, it doesn't look like it'll take a turn over 3 mph, or a 2" bump without cutting the tire in half. Why does it need to go up 6 more inches if this is ride height?

[Zapper]

Nah, I'm not seeing that. Using parts of the car for scale, like the mirror height which I estimate to be 3", and say a regular 2.5" exhaust pipe relative to the scale of the car... I don't see the diameter of the tailpipe above either tire. You couldn't fit a VW peashooter over the rear tire. The front actually looks like 0.75-1.0" clearance to me.

Don't want to see like I'm just jumping in to beat up anyone, but we all just like to know the functionality of everything we see, we're all very mechanically minded. At that height, though it might be able to idle through the fairgrounds, it doesn't look like it'll take a turn over 3 mph, or a 2" bump without cutting the tire in half. Why does it need to go up 6 more inches if this is ride height?

Your estimates are wrong. The tailpipe is 4"...now adjust your estimates

If you want to make judgements based on a pic you cant measure, then by all means go for it.

I think you guys are getting lost in multiple conversations.

My reference to raising it 6" was to state that ride height is completely adjustable, to what ever anyone wants it to be

[parsonsj]

Thats why you have to design the fender flares at both parked and ride height.What's the utility of having a "parked height"?

[Gil]

I think it's teeth-grinding because it's more a Drift looking slammed car with stance & stretched tires than a Pro-Touring car built to improve handling.
But maybe I'm wrong... Either way it's a bada$$ car...
Gil

[CampbellshotrodsAZ]

Your estimates are wrong. The tailpipe is 4"...now adjust your estimates


I'm not comparing it to the tailpipe on your car, I know the scale of a 2.5" tailpipe relative to the car. Okay. The Z28 emblem (I've had a few of them) on the fender is 2" tall (max) around the "Z". I don't even see that height fitting above the front tire... at all. It's more closely aligned to the ~1" "28" numbers. Not trying to start an argument, but we just want to see what height this can tackle an autocross or road course at, which is the primary thing that really matters on here. With the weight shift of that car on that suspension, there is no way it can make it through a course at that height.


I think it's teeth-grinding because it's more a Drift looking slammed car with stance & stretched tires than a Pro-Touring car built to improve handling.
But maybe I'm wrong... Either way it's a bada$$ car...
Gil

Exactly what I'm getting at.

[Zapper]

What's the utility of having a "parked height"?

It offers the same utility as height adjustable coil-overs, except in real time. It provides you ultimate adjustability.

RideTech and the 1000's of customers that use it, can confirm.


http://www.ridetech.com/store/suspension-packages/

[Zapper]

I'm not comparing it to the tailpipe on your car, I know the scale of a 2.5" tailpipe relative to the car. Okay. The Z28 emblem (I've had a few of them) on the fender is 2" tall (max) around the "Z". I don't even see that height fitting above the front tire... at all. It's more closely aligned to the ~1" "28" numbers. Not trying to start an argument, but we just want to see what height this can tackle an autocross or road course at, which is the primary thing that really matters on here. With the weight shift of that car on that suspension, there is no way it can make it through a course at that height.



Exactly what I'm getting at.




I get your point but what your are missing is that you are confusing ride height with fender clearance. As I've mentioned, the pic from behind is ride height and with the install of the fender flares, as with most types of installs, the fender height can and will be adjusted with final install.

Fenders can be trimmed, but that's still the ride height.

All i'm trying to get at, is that if you confine yourself with traditional conventions (like you can only lower a car based on fender clearance / rather than adjusting the fender to accommodate the ideal ride height), then sometimes you cant see past your constraints.


We built the car to push the limits and judging by the feedback we are doing just that.

[parsonsj]

It offers the same utility as height adjustable coil-overs, except in real time. It provides you ultimate adjustability.Except that it doesn't. As air pressure (and the car) is lowered, spring rates go down, rather than up. IOW, as the car is lowered, it exhibits a softer ride, and more travel per input. As suspension travel becomes limited, more suspension travel occurs.

I can appreciate that ride height adjustments can be used for weight transfer in various motorsports, but again, what is the utility of a "parked height"?

[Zapper]

Except that it doesn't. As air pressure (and the car) is lowered, spring rates go down, rather than up. IOW, as the car is lowered, it exhibits a softer ride, and more travel per input. As suspension travel becomes limited, more suspension travel occurs.

I can appreciate that ride height adjustments can be used for weight transfer in various motorsports, but again, what is the utility of a "parked height"?


These are not just air bags.

The Shockwave is like a coil-over and the air spring manages ride height, the internal shock in the Shockwave provides the ride quality and adjustability.

Parked height allows you to drop the car, when parked, to an aggressive stance.

Stance, like wheel offset, is very important to most car builders and parked/ride height allows you to tailor that

[parsonsj]

Parked height allows you to drop the car, when parked, to an aggressive stance.OK, got that, thanks. So it's for looks, and not intended to represent what the car looks like when being driven.

[Zapper]

OK, got that, thanks. So it's for looks, and not intended to represent what the car looks like when being driven.


Parked height, yes.

Ride Height is your height while being driven.

There is a third setting which allows you to raise it even further for obstacles or service access.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

John Parsons DEFINITELY didnt know that.............................................. ............

[twosaturns]

:grouphug:

[ICrombie]

Cool car, I don't see why so many people here are getting bent out of shape over something that serves an aesthetic purpose, it's not like the ridetech suspension was a huge compromise in performance for the added aesthetic value of being able to dump the car, nor is it the first time anyone has done something for aesthetic purposes.

And if the flares have a lot of clearance to suck up the tires when dumped but are nearly flush when raised at ride height I don't see how the car will look any less aggressive when at ride height.

[andrewb70]

OK, got that, thanks. So it's for looks, and not intended to represent what the car looks like when being driven.

Like I said, it's art...nothing wrong with art.

Andrew

[Zapper]

Like I said, it's art...nothing wrong with art.

Andrew


I get that this is tough for you to swallow but I don't build showcars

This is a fully functioning street car. If you look at the build details it would be pretty dumb to waste all these amazing parts on a non functioning platform

We've spent 10 months engineering this monster with the best parts available

I do appreciate all the feedback, telling me what I can't do and what is impossible and the BS definitions of what a "pro-touring" car is.

The fact of the matter is that we all build our cars the way we want to build them.

There is nothing rice or JDM on this car. Everything is American Made on an iconic American Muscle Car. But I fully understand pushing the limits will always piss off the "purists"

Therefore, mission accomplished.

[twosaturns]

looking forward to seeing the flares, always liked that look on 2nd gen Camaros.

[Zapper]

Here's a shot of the engine bay of World War Z.

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It took several weeks to get the engine angle nice and level. We noticed early on, in several other LSA builds that the engines seemed to be angled up towards the intake. Alot of guys did this to get clearance for the factory or aftermarket LSA oil and trans pans.

-We decided to lower the engine in the bay and custom fab the mounts to set back the engine an extra 3 inches. This allowed the engine to sit lower as well as level. We then modified the LSA trans and ran an external filter for additional fluid volume.

-Lots of custom fab work across the cowl and firewall.

-We integrated the intercooler fluid can into the drivers side inner fender, right beside the drivers side hood hinge, for a very stealth and factory style appearance.

-We upgraded the LSA with a BTR Stage 3 Blower Cam and new valve springs and Retainers.

-We also added a Lingenfelter Supercharger pulley kit to increase the boost on the LSA's blower.

-We are using 1 7/8” stepped to 2” ceramic coated full long tube headers into a custom X pipe that is 3" all the way through exiting through 4" custom exhaust flanges

-We used alot of ANVIL Auto parts including the hood, inner fenders, close-out panel and engine bay bars, all tied down with Ring Brothers Hardware

-If you notice we are also running a Nitrous Outlet Cheater system with a 200 shot and purge. This got in the way of a regular swap power steering pump so we fabbed up a custom piece to sit right beside the alternator. We are also running a quick ratio steering box.

-And yes, we had to raise the alternator up as it did not clear the lower control arms, in the factory LSA postition. We used a Holley alternator relocation kit to get the alternator up and out of the way.

-We are using a full Wilwood 14" 6 piston setup with Wilwood Master and booster. We also spent alot of time modifying the brackets to get the Master/Booster set-up to sit level with the engine as well. In most installs in second gen camaros so will notice that they are tilted up as well and we wanted to avoid that.

-We fabbed up the custom chassis bars to integrate with the full cage.

-One of the nicest pieces is the custom dual intake which takes in air from the dual K&N's which replace the factory parking lights.116632

[andrewb70]

I get that this is tough for you to swallow but I don't build showcars

This is a fully functioning street car. If you look at the build details it would be pretty dumb to waste all these amazing parts on a non functioning platform

We've spent 10 months engineering this monster with the best parts available

I do appreciate all the feedback, telling me what I can't do and what is impossible and the BS definitions of what a "pro-touring" car is.

The fact of the matter is that we all build our cars the way we want to build them.

There is nothing rice or JDM on this car. Everything is American Made on an iconic American Muscle Car. But I fully understand pushing the limits will always piss off the "purists"

Therefore, mission accomplished.

I think you better read my comments and not conflate them with the comments of others. All I ever asked for was a picture of the car at drivable ride height, which you have yet to produce. None of my comments have been angry or malicious and frankly, you sound like the one who is pissed off because your esthetic has been questioned.

I look forward to seeing this car fully finished and tearing it up at your local events.

Andrew

[arcane73]

There is nothing rice or JDM on this car.

It may not 'be' a JDM car but I find it difficult to believe that it doesn't have some JDM influence (the tires that aren't as wide as the wheels and sticking out way past the fenders with lots of NC as is prevalent in the import tuner scene) when it is built buy a shop that highlights import builds and links import parts sources and you entered it in a show that also heavily (primarily?) features the import scene (as well as having their site in english and Japanese: AUTOMOTIVE LIFESTYLE EVENT | フィッティドオフィシャルスタンスカーカルチャ).

With that being said, it's your car. Your money. Your choices.

[Zapper]

I think you better read my comments and not conflate them with the comments of others. All I ever asked for was a picture of the car at drivable ride height, which you have yet to produce. None of my comments have been angry or malicious and frankly, you sound like the one who is pissed off because your esthetic has been questioned.

I look forward to seeing this car fully finished and tearing it up at your local events.

Andrew


I'm not angry at all. I just caught your jab of calling my car "art" and threw it back. Kinda like someone calling your GTO a trailer queen when you know its not.

I appreciate all the feedback and will provide info on my build where ever possible.

[Zapper]

It may not 'be' a JDM car but I find it difficult to believe that it doesn't have some JDM influence (the tires that aren't as wide as the wheels and sticking out way past the fenders with lots of NC as is prevalent in the import tuner scene) when it is built buy a shop that highlights import builds and links import parts sources and you entered it in a show that also heavily (primarily?) features the import scene (as well as having their site in english and Japanese: AUTOMOTIVE LIFESTYLE EVENT | フィッティドオフィシャルスタンスカーカルチャ).

With that being said, it's your car. Your money. Your choices.

The negative camber is a result of the air ride and control arm set-up at parked height. At Ride Height its eliminated.

Wheels sticking past the fenders is quite common on tracked car and compensated for with fender flares....

But you are right, we have influences across all hot rod and custom car scenes

Not too many people calling Rampage from Roadster Shop JDM, but i digress....



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[CampbellshotrodsAZ]

The negative camber is a result of the air ride and control arm set-up at parked height. At Ride Height its eliminated.


I may regret getting back into this again, but this comment has made me. You said before that the image that shows this negative camber is of the car at "ride" height, but now it's said that this pic is at "parked" height? The height required for the negative camber to go away for "ride height" would raise the car a few inches, which is what many of us were getting at in the first place.

From earlier in the thread:


The pic from the rear (and the video as well) is of ride height and the problem is you are estimating a 1-1.5" clearance when there is actually 2.5" of clearance.

[andrewb70]

I'm not angry at all. I just caught your jab of calling my car "art" and threw it back. Kinda like someone calling your GTO a trailer queen when you know its not.

I appreciate all the feedback and will provide info on my build where ever possible.

I wish someone would call my cars art...LOL

Andrew

[arcane73]

I wish someone would call my cars art...LOL

Andrew

I think the cougar is one hot, beautiful mess. Does that count? LOL

And zapper, I admire the time and effort that has been spent on that car. I just don't care for the wheel/tire combo. :cheers:

[Mike H]

Ok I'll bite. There are some similarities in the builds. The aggressive styling is what I like about both. What I think a lot of guys here are hung up on is you're showing the car with impossible it use fender to tire clearances. I think it's an interesting build, but im having trouble weeding through the ride height discussion. I don't think anybody is questioning whether the suspension can be made to work at that height. It can, several cars here are that low, including the Roadster Shop's car and Brian Hobough's Camaro. Since we haven't seen a build thread it's hard to see where the car is in its evolution. My question is are you planning on raising the fender arch when you add flares? The wheelhouse in both the cars I referrenced were moved quite a bit to allow the car to function at speed.


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[Rod]

build on man dont worry about what anyone says about wide wheels flares or not....I know there will be some that will get in arms when mine gets 11 inch rims hanging out and flares, hell I already had some guy say my car looks like a roller skate! yep I skated to the way to the winners circle



https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/10/10641138_10154582439215078_7479611847135-1.jpg

[Mike H]

hell I already had some guy say my car looks like a roller skate! yep I skated to the way to the winners circle.

:drive: I like skates as long as they're fast!!!

[Zapper]

Ok I'll bite. There are some similarities in the builds. The aggressive styling is what I like about both. What I think a lot of guys here are hung up on is you're showing the car with impossible it use fender to tire clearances. I think it's an interesting build, but im having trouble weeding through the ride height discussion. I don't think anybody is questioning whether the suspension can be made to work at that height. It can, several cars here are that low, including the Roadster Shop's car and Brian Hobough's Camaro. Since we haven't seen a build thread it's hard to see where the car is in its evolution. My question is are you planning on raising the fender arch when you add flares? The wheelhouse in both the cars I referrenced were moved quite a bit to allow the car to function at speed.


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Completely understood

Fender to tire clearance wont be 100% until the flares and mounted. Then you can see exactly how much you can take away...very similar to the pic below.....

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[keepat]

The car looks AWESOME! With the fender flares the car should have a really cool 1970 Trans Am racing look! Congrats and enjoy!
Pat
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[bsharpe]

I like the car and hope you post more pictures of the build. One thing you never see is how the inner wheel wells mount to the qtr panel after trimming?

[Bowtie racing]

I'm not angry at all. I just caught your jab of calling my car "art" and threw it back. Kinda like someone calling your GTO a trailer queen when you know its not.



I totally agree with Zapper.

[Zapper]

Here's a teaser on the final fender flare mock-up getting ready for final prep and paint this week.

As you can see, we have over 2" of tire tucking into the flare in the rear, and the entire tire tucking to the wheel on the front. Even if we raised the car 2"s for ride height, there would be no tire gap at all

We also hooked up the Twist Machine Paddle Shifters to the 6L90e and are getting ready for some more dyno passes on Tuesday

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[GRNOVA]

Cool build can't wait to see more!

[Zapper]

Fenders should be buttoned up by the end of the week.

Will take the car to a whole new level!

[KB Camaro]

that is one bad ass ride.

[Rod]

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[Zapper]

Great news today!

We finally got the Twist Machine paddles to work with the 6L90e. It was giving us some grief last week during our dyno runs as we couldn't get it to hold 4th gear without shifting too soon

We still managed to put down 625 WHP shifting at 6000 RPM and over 600 lb/ft at 3500 RPM

Cool thing about the 6L90e is the rev matching on the downshifts. The throttle blips and backfires are epic!

We are going to do some more dyno passes this week now being able to hold 4th all the way up to 6700 RPM

[KB Camaro]

Great news today!

We finally got the Twist Machine paddles to work with the 6L90e. It was giving us some grief last week during our dyno runs as we couldn't get it to hold 4th gear without shifting too soon

We still managed to put down 625 WHP shifting at 6000 RPM and over 600 lb/ft at 3500 RPM

Cool thing about the 6L90e is the rev matching on the downshifts. The throttle blips and backfires are epic!

We are going to do some more dyno passes this week now being able to hold 4th all the way up to 6700 RPM

That's awesome news, can you post some videos I'd love to here it.

[Zapper]

https://youtu.be/vCMPmufQWCQ
That's awesome news, can you post some videos I'd love to here it.

Absolutely....here's one of the last passes....I love how it doesnt sound like a typical LS....reminds me more of a big blown big block

https://youtu.be/vCMPmufQWCQ

[Gil]

This thing is a beast !
Very nice
Gil

[parsonsj]

Sweet! I'm digging it!

[KB Camaro]

https://youtu.be/vCMPmufQWCQ

Absolutely....here's one of the last passes....I love how it doesnt sound like a typical LS....reminds me more of a big blown big block

https://youtu.be/vCMPmufQWCQ

Sounds amazing, what mufflers are you running?

[Zapper]

We are running 3" FlowMaster Race Cans.

Exhuast is 3" all the way back from the headers with a custom x-pipe to even out the flow

[Zapper]

I think we might leave the flares black....

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[andrewb70]

Is that the actual driving ride height?

Andrew

[Zapper]

Parked.....

We also got the Ridetech keyless remotes working today as well as the iPhone App....Ridetech makes the highest quality systems out there and their customer service is unmatched


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[Mr.VENGEANCE]

now thats what im talmbout!

[Zapper]

We just laid down a brain-melting 826 WHP with over 690 lb-ft of torque!

Video and Dynosheet below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpGiJsi1WPE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpGiJsi1WPE

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[Goosesdad]

Simply...awesome. Great job at every step.

[Zapper]

Simply...awesome. Great job at every step.


Thanks John!

We definitely think we can squeeze some more out of it but 826WHP is pretty awesome. It makes over 600 lb/ft at 3000rpm and fries the tires in 3rd

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Siiick!

[19,69camaro]

Whats up with that dyno chart? It looks like a ski jump after 6k with both the hp and torque going up. I never saw that before.

[Zapper]

Whats up with that dyno chart? It looks like a ski jump after 6k with both the hp and torque going up. I never saw that before.


It's the advantageous effects of nitrous on a supercharged car. We have it button activated rather than throttle activated so we can hit it whenever we want.

[19,69camaro]

Gotcha. I bet thats one hell of a kick in the pants. Love the car

[RaceFace]

Wow, what a bitchin' build!! You've got a lot of fabrication in that beast!! Keep the pics coming!! Nice work!!

[mikespeed95]

So with all the drifting stuff and the door with the FD placard on it, when we going to see this thing sideways?

[LS7 Z/28]

I really love the overall look you ended up with. I'm definitely a big fan of the fender flares. Great work.

[Zapper]

So with all the drifting stuff and the door with the FD placard on it, when we going to see this thing sideways?


Pics are coming soon....it fries the tire in third all day!

[KB Camaro]

Random question, are you running drive by wire or cable throttle?

[andrewb70]

Random question, are you running drive by wire or cable throttle?

Presumable DBW since it is a Gen IV engine.

Edit*

https://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116631&d=1440767648

Andrew

[Dave B]

Wow, that's pretty awesome! I'd love to see it ripping down the 427.

[Zapper]

Random question, are you running drive by wire or cable throttle?

We are running drive by wire with the LS throttle pedal. Throttle response is instaneous

[Zapper]

Wow, that's pretty awesome! I'd love to see it ripping down the 427.

Southbound 427 with a 150 shot!

[keithq69]

I've driven past your shop a number of times, I have a customer up the street.
Do you find it difficult to insure vehicles here with the roll cage.
The car looks mean, I can't wait to see the flares complete. Did you make those or buy them?

Keith

[Zapper]

I've driven past your shop a number of times, I have a customer up the street.
Do you find it difficult to insure vehicles here with the roll cage.
The car looks mean, I can't wait to see the flares complete. Did you make those or buy them?

Keith

No issues with the cage at all. It actually tucks up high into the roof.

Flares are custom pieces created by Cyrious Garageworks. We built them for the car and our offsets.

[keithq69]

I'll have to stop by your shop next time I'm out at Ipex.
I have a 69 that I'm working on now that I'm doing a wide body on, haven't decided which route to go yet, flares or pull the fender.

[dangina]

just read this thread after seeing the first pics and I love it! The stance, wide tires, huge spoilers it looks awesome. I thought at first it was missing some flares but it looks like your already working on it. What did you use to extend the rear spoiler? carbon fiber? and are the just riveted on or bolted?? any close up picks of the rear spoiler?

[Dsster]

I love this car, by anychance would you guys produce the fender flares? I've been looking for flares but no luck for me. Thanks

[Zapper]

just read this thread after seeing the first pics and I love it! The stance, wide tires, huge spoilers it looks awesome. I thought at first it was missing some flares but it looks like your already working on it. What did you use to extend the rear spoiler? carbon fiber? and are the just riveted on or bolted?? any close up picks of the rear spoiler?


Thanks man!

We were going to make the rear spoiler extension out of carbon fiber, but after consulting with some racers to decided to make it out of aluminum. We used the same hardware thats used on the wheels, to fasten it to the factor spolier. We also used that hardware for the exhaust cut-outs as well as the aluminum door panels too....

Here are some better shots....we used the wicker bill on the new Z28s as inspiration

[Zapper]

I can't pass up a good deal, so.....

OUT with the 6L90 / Twist Machine PAddles / PCS pushbutton Trans

and

IN with the incredible Rockland Standard Gear T-56 Tranzilla!

Its packed with ZR1 ratios with tripple cone synchronizers and Carbon Fiber Synchro rings....

Its good for 1200HP and 1000 LB/FT of torque.

We're using a QuickTime Bellhousing with the Centerforce DYAD Dual Disc Clutch and Flywheel good for 1300 Lb/FT with the American Powertrain Hydraulic Clutch kit

Can't wait to button it up!

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[Zapper]

I'm kinda going a little backwards, but the shop finally posted some awesome build pics on their site....Part 1

http://cyriousgarageworks.com/world-war-z-from-the-ground-up-pt-1/

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It’s not every day that you’re presented with a project created with the sole intention of taking on the entire world. That may be a bit of an overstatement, but when it came to this project aptly named World War Z, we were crossing into a territory that very few in the world, if any, have been given an opportunity to explore. Certainly there have been plenty of builds in the past that may incorporate some of the elements of this vehicle, but only a handful that put it all together; taking inspiration from Japanese car culture, Pro Touring, even racing culture, and all brought under the umbrella of Classic American Muscle. All of these inspirations come together to produce a car that can sit on the frame if you so desire, will play music wirelessly through your preferred tablet, is as wide as an F1 car, makes as much power as many professional drift cars, and will do massive burnouts on 325mm wide stretched tires without even batting an eye. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves here! We had to start somewhere, of course!

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As you can see here, we started off with a pretty cool car to begin with. In terms of 1970 Camaros this one was already fairly aggressive looking and aggressive sounding in its own right. Fortunately, there are people in this world who feel that “fairly aggressive” is not enough, and Miro (the owner of this car) is one of them. Miro had some important items on a checklist: swap the motor for a 6.2L LSA from a 2013 Cadillac CTS-V, make it as wide as possible, and make it as low as possible.

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After much discussion about the direction things were supposed to go, our art department put together a rough sketch to help with giving us an extremely basic idea of what we were working towards. This met with approval from everybody, so we knew that we were most definitely barking up the right tree. Now all we needed to do was build it!

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When it comes to doing a build of this magnitude, you’re basically rebuilding the car from the ground up, and engineering on the fly. There are no “kits” available to build this car, as just about everything from the bodykit to the power steering pump reservoir has received some amount of customizing to be fitted to this particular machine. There are still plenty of things to buy when it comes to a build like this, though, this picture only scratches the surface of the immense amount of parts that would wind up going into this build, but this is certainly a good start! Pictured here are widened rear wheel wells, as well as suspension components for both the front and rear of the car, and the air ride system.

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First thing’s first, let’s get that old engine outta there! I say old engine, which may evoke images of some tired, crusty old decrepit engine with cobwebs…definitely none of that going on here, as this engine had been freshly rebuilt and had all sorts of chrome components installed. Eagle eyed readers may notice that this engine looks like the engine we used in our 1975 International Scout II Restomod, and that’s because it is!

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One of the cool things about disassembling an old car is that you’ll almost always find little treasures, mostly insignificant, but every now and then you’ll find something really cool. We were surprised to find the original factory build sheet still in the car, albeit in a somewhat rough shape. After a little bit of careful archaeology to get the paper cleaned up, it did tell us that the Camaro was indeed an original Z28, and not just a regular Camaro that somebody had put the badges onto. Needless to say, we now knew that there were going to be some very angry Camaro purists out there once this car was complete. Back to disassembly!

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Want more meat out back...then Detroit Speed Mini-Tubs are the only way to go to help stuff them in. We also narrowed the rear end approx. an inch on each side to provide a more aggressive offset on the wheels

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While the disassembly and some of the fabrication work was being done, parts began getting mated to the car! Obviously one of the more important pieces to get mocked up and officially installed as soon as possible was the new engine!

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As mentioned before, the new engine would be a LSA from a 2013 Cadillac CTS-V. This particular LSA came with the 6L90 Automatic transmission, so for an added degree of mindblowing it was decided that we would be installing a paddle-shift system on to this car. More on that later, though. The engine actually fit quite nicely in this particular car, though a little bit of massaging was needed to make space for the massive 6L90 transmission.

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When it comes to building custom cars, there are some parts of the process that may seem kind of backwards to somebody who isn’t totally familiar with how these kinds of things are done. In this particular case, the wheels for this car were going to need to be completely custom. In order to nail down wheel sizes, we needed to know exactly how we wanted the car to sit, but without having the wheels already, how were we supposed to do that? Long story short, we used a wheel sizing tool to stretch out the tire, as well as to show us what offset would be needed. To really know how the car would sit, however, the fenders would need to be cut. Cutting fenders on any car can be a bit of a nerve-racking experience, especially when that car is just coming up on 50 years old. We made sure Miro was there to watch the first cut and…

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…no turning back now! Much inspection and measuring was done, and the wheel specs were locked down! We contacted the wheel manufacturer, RSV Forged, and gave them the specs. They sent us this:

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[Zapper]

Out in the wild...

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[andrewb70]

Out in the wild...


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Is that the driving ride height? If not, please post a picture at driving ride height.

Andrew

[RLJ676]

Awesome build, glad you changed to a stick, just doesn't seem right w an auto to me.

I just picked up my 72 w/ lsa/L92 thurs after dyno tune, 552 RWHP and a TKO 600 so I know how much fun this car is to drive too lol.

[408maro]

So sick

[LS7 Z/28]

Awesome build, glad you changed to a stick, just doesn't seem right w an auto to me.

A 6L90 is an auto dude.

[Mr Nick]

A 6L90 is an auto dude.

You're right, but you missed this...


I can't pass up a good deal, so.....

OUT with the 6L90 / Twist Machine PAddles / PCS pushbutton Trans

and

IN with the incredible Rockland Standard Gear T-56 Tranzilla!

Its packed with ZR1 ratios with tripple cone synchronizers and Carbon Fiber Synchro rings....

Its good for 1200HP and 1000 LB/FT of torque.

We're using a QuickTime Bellhousing with the Centerforce DYAD Dual Disc Clutch and Flywheel good for 1300 Lb/FT with the American Powertrain Hydraulic ]

Dude.

[LS7 Z/28]

You're right, but you missed this...



Dude.

Thank you. This build thread is completely backwards. The most recent post states that they are using the 6L90. Thank you for the correction.

[RLJ676]

You're right, but you missed this...



Dude.

Haha thanks.

I like the backwards build threads, I don't have patience to wait for a year to see the outcome! It's bad enough waiting on your own project.

[Zapper]

Yah....sorry about that

We swapped out the 6L90 and paddles for a T-56 Tranzilla with carbon synchros.

Could not pass up the amazing deal we got on the trans

[Zapper]

Is that the driving ride height? If not, please post a picture at driving ride height.

Andrew

That's parked height....i'll post a good driving/burn-out video at drive-height.....it's only about 3/4" to an 1" higher than this

[Mr Nick]

i'll post a good driving/burn-out video at drive-height.....it's only about 3/4" to an 1" higher than this

Yes please.

[dangina]

I think the Z28 purists would forgive you with this awesome build ;)

[Zapper]

Note to self:

There is no "Stealth Mode" when you run a Stage 3 BTR cam in a Lingenfelter modded 6.2L Supercharged LSA with 3 inch exhaust with Flowmaster Race Cans

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[KB Camaro]

Will you please post a start up and idle video. That 120+5 lsa on your cam has a special sound!

[andrewb70]

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When the snow starts piling you, you can just lower the front and clean your driveway...:santa3:

Andrew

[67RSRAG]

All this talk about ride height and parked height....Congrats man I think you nailed it. The car looks killer with a great stance, and if it rubs once in a while who cares it is worth it!!

Hope to see you cruizin around this summer. I would love to see the car in person.

Loui

[Zapper]

When the snow starts piling you, you can just lower the front and clean your driveway...

Andrew




Must be comforting for you to know that no matter how much snow is out there, you have more than enough ground clearance to get through in your GTO, Andrew

☃

[andrewb70]

When the snow starts piling you, you can just lower the front and clean your driveway...

Andrew


Must be comforting for you to know that no matter how much snow is out there, you have more than enough ground clearance to get through in your GTO, Andrew

☃

The Cougar is my preferred winter vehicle.

[Z06killinSBF]

Holy crap, I love this build. Such a bad ass and awesome car. Kick ass work

[v8s only]

absolutely perfect. love the stance thats how my cars sit nice and low and they get driven and raced a lot. 4x4 are for trucks

[Zapper]

Thanks guys!

Got my Black Friday deal from Ring Brothers today....going to be installing their incredible black shifter and boot

[DJW32]

I love this car! It looks f-ing tough with the way it sits. Again, I love it! Job well done.

[RLJ676]

Awesome car.

Can't believe how similar your taste is to mine lol. This summer I even wanted to change to bronze wheels in a split spoke design like yours after seeing them on a first gen parked next to my car at the shop.

Gray 72, anvil hood, LSA (BTR Stage 3), I just wish I had done flares...

[analyte]

Will the car be used for AutoX or HPDE? After seeing all the parked pics, I'm ready to see it actually moving and putting all this power to use.

Kerry

[Zapper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1-9RXG1qNo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1-9RXG1qNo

[analyte]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1-9RXG1qNo

Hmm, video not available for me.

[Zapper]

Hmm, video not available for me.

How about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1-9RXG1qNo

[Zapper]

More pics.....

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[Jimbo1367]

While the flairs look alot better, I'm still not feeling it. What was done to the LSa engine? The !@#$%^&*() power. Well done.

[Guyt699]

I think it looks BAD*SS!

[ICrombie]

I really love the air intakes replacing the headlights, by the way what finish are those wheels from RSV?

[cwylie]

What ECU are you running?

[Zapper]

While the flairs look alot better, I'm still not feeling it. What was done to the LSa engine? The !@#$%^&*() power. Well done.


BTR Stage III Blower Cam
Lingenfelter Blower Pulley
Nitrous Outlet 200hp Cheater System / Only using a 75 shot right now to cool the intake charge on big passes
Custom Dual Pump LS Fuel System
Full BRP Muscle Rods LS Swap kit with long tube headers.



I think it looks BAD*SS!

Thanks brother!


I really love the air intakes replacing the headlights, by the way what finish are those wheels from RSV?

Thanks man! Wheels are Polished Bronze centers with Brushed DDT Lips


What ECU are you running?

Running the stock LSA ECU with a custom tune. Also running the Lingenfelter 2 Step with Launch Control

[Josh@Ridetech]

I want your car, Miro...

[mc84_zz4]

Killer ride man! Low, fat, and mean.
:bananna2:

[Centerforce]

How have we missed this?? Probably one of our favorite build threads on the internet right now!

On a side note, how are you liking the DYAD so far?

[Zapper]

How have we missed this?? Probably one of our favorite build threads on the internet right now!

On a side note, how are you liking the DYAD so far?


The DYAD has been incredible and unbreakable. Super quiet and an easy install as well.

We are definitely using it in our next build....my '68 Charger, which will make WorldWar Z look tame :)

[Centerforce]

The DYAD has been incredible and unbreakable. Super quiet and an easy install as well.

We are definitely using it in our next build....my '68 Charger, which will make WorldWar Z look tame :)

Exactly what we like to hear! We cant wait to see the next build. It should be insane if its anything like this one!

[Zapper]

Full coverage:

http://www.stanceiseverything.com/2016/10/not-your-dads-camaro-miros-1970-z28-is-built-for-war/


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[Zapper]

Thanks for the repost on the Facebook page!

[Josh@Ridetech]

Thanks for the repost on the Facebook page!

Such a wicked car. It doesn't matter how many times I see it.

[medici78]

I absolutely love it! It's making me consider swapping my coilovers for the air setup.

Which steering box did you guys use?

[Ripper]

Sweet build!

It gives me Rau Welt-vibes

[bread_and_water]

Was the two piece firewall panel done for reach on the recessed features with a bead roller? Gives me ideas for my studebaker firewall. Thanks and car looks killer.

[syborg tt]

Nice feature on the are and as you now I love the car.

[Canon_Mutant]

Looks like you are running Nitto INVOs? Are they performing acceptably on this ride? Also, with wheels wider than the tire, do you risk bead separation at the limits?

Great looking ride . . .

[Motown 454]

Wow! Nice!!

[linzbach]

Wow, I love everything about this car!! Building a car that stands out from the crowd isn't easy, but you did it. Nice job. Any chance it will be at SEMA this year? I'd love to see it in person.

[Tig]

Made another appearance in Speedhunters.
Love this build.

[1955_Bel-Air]

Amazing build!