Can it be achieved? 0-60mph

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Hi guys,

Looking at Skyline GTR 35's, and every other supercar... the thing that always fascinated me with them, is the fact they go 0-100kmh (0-60mph) in 2.5-3.0 seconds.

I mean... as far as a street car goes, that is one hell of a fun ride. Light goes green, and within no time you are at 100kmh already.

So, here I am, wanting a 1969 Dodge Charger as they look like a beast rather than a sports car.

Is there any way for this car to compete with the above in that initial take off (first 5 seconds)? I understand power - weight ratio is important, but more so than that, is traction to achieve the goal...

Since all these pro-touring builds have state of the art technology done, i wondered if things like traction become a lot more favourable as well for the above goal.

Is this achievable, or it can not be done?

Thanks.

[Munch69ProTour]

How much money do you want to spend? A drag racing set up would get you there easily. Pro-touring is harder but could be done. Remember the crazy number 0-60 times you see published are pretty hard to replicate. Plus AWD/4WD and turbos are cheating :)

[cactuss4]

Cheating, pfffft!!!!!!!!!! :)

But yes launch control and AWD sure helps. Being able to build boost and leave on boost helps a ton, can do that with most turbo vehicles with the right tuning, however hooking is the problem..

[67fenix]

This video has been around for a while but man is it AWESOME! Can you imagine how fast this thing would put you back in your seat. I wish i would have thought of this idea for my firebird. Take a minute and think about it. How many AWD muscle cars have you seen. Probably not many. If you did build an AWD muscle car, you would definitely have something unique and to be reckoned with.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtnvpgdfq9c

[dontlifttoshift]

How good is your mechanic?

[Sean Cooke]

With a pro touring setup, it's going to be extremely hard to get the weight to transition enough to get that kind of bite. Good rule of thumb is not to dig race and awd turbo car... Now if you don't mind alittle tire in the back any good sticky 29x10.5 or larger (et street tire or DOT radial drag tire) & 600hp and those stock GTRS are just another import with not enough cylinders

[TheJDMan]

This video has been around for a while but man is it AWESOME! Can you imagine how fast this thing would put you back in your seat. I wish i would have thought of this idea for my firebird. Take a minute and think about it. How many AWD muscle cars have you seen. Probably not many. If you did build an AWD muscle car, you would definitely have something unique and to be reckoned with.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtnvpgdfq9c

That video is kinda lame compared to THIS video!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qanlirrRWs

[Ben@SpeedTech]

This video has been around for a while but man is it AWESOME! Can you imagine how fast this thing would put you back in your seat. I wish i would have thought of this idea for my firebird. Take a minute and think about it. How many AWD muscle cars have you seen. Probably not many. If you did build an AWD muscle car, you would definitely have something unique and to be reckoned with.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtnvpgdfq9c

That car is cool but it's got a truck front frame and suspension grafted into the G body frame. I'd be curious how well it handles? Is it realistic to have both without Ken Block's budget and sponsors? :)

[minendrews68]

i used to have a 18' jet boat, with a 454 Chevrolet engine, chrome headers etc. When I wanted to go faster I visited a shop a boat shop In Memphis. As I was talking to the owner in his office I noticed a banner above his desk that read "SPEED COSTS, HOW FAST DO YOU WANT TO GO?.... enough said.

[hotrodalex]

New Corvette Z06 can do it in 3.1-3.2 seconds (automatic is a bit faster than the manual). I'm not sure if 2.5 is realistic in a RWD car, especially without a trick launch control.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1504_2015_chevrolet_corvette_z06_vs_2015_nissan_gt _r_nismo_comparison/viewall.html

If you look at the 0-30 times, you can see the Corvette is already 0.5 seconds behind. It starts to catch up a little bit by 60, but the GT-R is king of that initial launch. It's always gonna be faster, unless you want to head down the drag racing route like mentioned above.

[Godbolt]

i used to have a 18' jet boat, with a 454 Chevrolet engine, chrome headers etc. When I wanted to go faster I visited a shop a boat shop In Memphis. As I was talking to the owner in his office I noticed a banner above his desk that read "SPEED COSTS, HOW FAST DO YOU WANT TO GO?.... enough said.

Quote from the first Mad Max film-

Grease Rat: Like the sign says, "speed's just a question of money. How fast you wanna go?"

[WallaceMFG]

New Corvette Z06 can do it in 3.1-3.2 seconds (automatic is a bit faster than the manual). I'm not sure if 2.5 is realistic in a RWD car, especially without a trick launch control.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1504_2015_chevrolet_corvette_z06_vs_2015_nissan_gt _r_nismo_comparison/viewall.html

If you look at the 0-30 times, you can see the Corvette is already 0.5 seconds behind. It starts to catch up a little bit by 60, but the GT-R is king of that initial launch. It's always gonna be faster, unless you want to head down the drag racing route like mentioned above.

I drove one of the new Z06's at work yesterday, and even with all of the electronic aids it's hard to get times that low. Pretty much every time I launched the traction control was having to step in to keep the back tires from roasting in first and second gear. When I tried with electronics turned off if just spins the rear wheels. Not saying it's not possible, but it would be hard to get times that low in a primitive old car haha.

Just a side note if you use launch control in a GTR to get those low 0-60 times, you void your warranty. Nissan specifically says not to use it, and the car will only do two in a row before the computer won't let you anymore to save the transmission.

[72BBSwinger]

This guy is undertaking such a project already.
https://www.pro-touring.com/threads/78094-Project-Ratón-68-Charger-Hemi-6-Speed-AWD?highlight=68+charger+project

[Removed user as requested]

That 12 min video with the mustang is crazy.

Guess every thing is possible after seeing that.

Thanks for the replies.

As said I am stuck in 2 minds.

1: I want the performance of what these 'supercars' offer, because as a street car, that will make the charger hard to beat.
2: The charger looks bad-ass, (unbeatable), and thats why I just cant bring myself to getting a sports car FOR that performance. In end I would sacrifice the performance for the look.

I am just trying to mesh the look with the performance here.

I do plan on running 17x12, or 18x12 with 335mm tires on the rear. The charger doesn't look right without the wide tires.

600-700HP was about the goal for me.

I want something that dominates on the street (thats why those 0-100 times), but at the same time, is not a pig to drive because of all the body roll. Basically a car that is safe, and good to drive on the street through the mountains with some serious get-go. Race Track (road course?) would be a bonus.

I thought a 'drag racing' type setup, would make it garbage for the street.

What direction would I have to go to get the charger done, so its nice for the street and really goes hard?

[ICrombie]

Short of doing something similar to what ken block did with that mustang (stripped interior, tube chassis, awd, traction control, NASCAR engine, etc.), I'd say it's impossible to have a Charger that is streetable, handles well on a track and also beats a GTR or other supercar at a 0 to 60.

The cost of doing something like what Ken Block did would easily exceed the cost of an Aventador or equivalent supercar.
Not to mention that you'd need a team of engineers doing the design work for this which Ken had at his disposal which most other shops don't (he spent 3 months doing CAD work).

In essence yes it's possible, but it'd take so much more money that it would make more sense to just buy the supercar you're trying to beat.

[GrabberGT]

2: The charger looks bad-ass, (unbeatable), and thats why I just cant bring myself to getting a sports car FOR that performance. In end I would sacrifice the performance for the look.

I am just trying to mesh the look with the performance here.



You'll never beat the engineers who developed those cars with their decades of refinement at their own game. Just rewrite the rules and invite them to play along. Originality, ingenuity, style and INTIMIDATION (aka BadA$$-ery) goes a long way when it comes to street cred. My little home built Maverick gets just as many thumbs up from M3's, Porches, GTR's, and Ferrari's (even an F40 once) as it does from the daily drivers. Just have fun with it.

[Nicks67GTO]

That video is kinda lame compared to THIS video!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qanlirrRWs


That might be the most badass video on the internet

[twosaturns]

Just a side note if you use launch control in a GTR to get those low 0-60 times, you void your warranty. Nissan specifically says not to use it, and the car will only do two in a row before the computer won't let you anymore to save the transmission.

lol, you can do it all day long in a porsche:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5DRCTW-Q7o&spfreload=10

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I don't understand the warranty issue on Nissan. They put the launch control in the car, and then say "if you use what WE put, you void your warranty" ????

That sure confused the hell out of me.

Anyway, I am leaning towards getting the M/T E.T Street Radial's.

I mean, at the end of the day, the car wont be driven 30,000km a year anyway. More like 5000-10000km which is about the life of the tire.

Looking at the different sizes, they seem to have a nice one at 320mm wide, 28" tall for a 15" wheel. Something like that I think would look great on a 69 charger and give plenty of grip.

Is there such thing as 'too much' tire in the rear? - How much horsepower should I plan on having if I run a 320mm wide E.T Street Radial? Automatic gearbox etc as recommended.


Last question:

For all you guys that have serious pro-touring cars, with all the latest from Ridetech and etc...

If you had an identical car with identical power, just set up more like a drag car rather than a pro-touring car... how much actual difference will there be in launching, street power etc (given you use the E.T Radials)?

Like is the same car set up as a pro touring car gonna go say 0-100kmh in 4 seconds (full pro touring set up 700HP) while putting E.T Radials and some front-rear weight transfer (more drag setup) and launch control (of some sort), going to make that sub 3 seconds and quarter miles of 2+ seconds better?

So power is same, its the same car, you just set it up 'differently' from very stiff, no body roll side to side, or lift front to back to the other setup that allows the front to lift a little (not TOO much as you still want it nice on the road) etc...

How much would I gain from doing it that way vs pro-touring?

[TheJDMan]

I'm getting such mixed signals from your posts that I really don't know what it is you actually want to achieve. You talk about a pro-touring build then turn around and talk drag racing. You talk about buying 17" or 18" wheels, then talk about 15" ET wheels. You talk about super car performance but it is pretty obvious that is not a realistic goal. A 69 Charger will never perform at the level of a super car even if you have stupid amounts of money to throw at it. Personally, I think you would be smarter to build something that is fun to drive in the 500hp range, has good handling and overall good street manors. You need a realistic goal.

[Removed user as requested]

I'm getting such mixed signals from your posts that I really don't know what it is you actually want to achieve. You talk about a pro-touring build then turn around and talk drag racing. You talk about buying 17" or 18" wheels, then talk about 15" ET wheels. You talk about super car performance but it is pretty obvious that is not a realistic goal. A 69 Charger will never perform at the level of a super car even if you have stupid amounts of money to throw at it. Personally, I think you would be smarter to build something that is fun to drive in the 500hp range, has good handling and overall good street manors. You need a realistic goal.

JDMan, sorry for the confusion.

1: I wondered if a muscle car can be built to handle with the best of them. Answer is obviously NO.

2: Since people here mentioned with some ET streets or D.O.T with 600HP, those sub 3 second's wouldn't be a problem - it brought to view that aspect then (rather than a pro-touring build that ends up not what i expected And as someone said MORE $ than an Aventador).

So now I am wondering, how much 'gain' does one get from a more drag type (still streetable) setup vs a complete pro-touring setup?

So if you guys simply changed out your suspension for something that allowed more weight transfer etc (not as much as a drag car as it would suck on street) - Just enough to be still ok for the road but leaning towards that setup...


That will come at the sacrifice of handling... how much gain would be gotten for how much sacrifice? Am I sacrifice a completely solid handling car for half a second in the quarter, or is there going to be like 2+ seconds gains. So am i sacrificing much (handling, cornering etc) for really nothing (0.5 of a second faster launching/quarter).

That way I can then way up what I would rather do.

[72BBSwinger]

Ask Richard Petty, Bobby Isaac or Buddy Baker how their Dodge Chargers performed. I also wonder how many GTR owners wish their Nissan could hang with this Barracuda, this conversation is pointless at the end of the day. What can outrun a blown Hemi? Answer: nothing that exists in a V8.

[TheJDMan]

Pro-Touring or Pro-Street, only you can decide.

[hotrodalex]

Personally, I'd rather have an all-around performing car than a pro-street setup. They're cool, but I'm more into driving enjoyment on back roads than bragging rights.

[72BBSwinger]

And that's what im getting at, if a PT Charger,Camaro or Mustang doesn't 0-60 equal to a new GTR what does that matter? If the same cars cant match the GTR's lap time at the Ring does that mean they're irrelevant? Spending $125,000 on ANY car is over the top in my book.....and if I come across a GTR on the street in my Dart and he wants to get in on, ill say "HELL yes, from a 20mph roll...." LOL!

[andrewb70]

This thread makes me laugh...

Andrew

[Removed user as requested]

Ok well here is a simple enough question then.

A 700 HP Charger, Pro touring vs a 700 HP charger Pro street.

Both same car, both same power. Emphasis in setup is handling and quarter mile/launches.

How much difference would be seen in quarter/launch between the 2, powered identically?

That's what will help me decide what I want to do.

[72BBSwinger]

You can swap rear tires when you want to shine at the strip. PT cars are so much more fun than strip cars it isn't even funny. That is of course if you drive them, if you're the rope fence/lawn chair show car type, might as well build a 15.1 CR solid roller drag car.

[raustinss]

This thread makes me laugh...

Andrew

Thanks for not making me feel alone on this one

[Tomswheels]

Uh, I beg to differ that a PT car can't "handle with the best of them". Ask the 4 guys in late model Vettes on Hoosiers that I beat at the last local SCCA autocross on my 200 TW tires. It can be done... Oh and 0-60 is meaningless, all it measures is traction, not total performance. Try 5-120 or 150 or more to truly measure "performance"... Your questions were asked and answered at this weekends Optima event in Colorado where Jake Rozelles 69 Camaro just beat a Nissan GTR on the road course. So what do you want, to win a street drag race to the next stop light or have a car that is faster on every racetrack, and is something that took talent to build as opposed to getting a loan at the Nissan dealer? No offense, but I'm sure you don't have the talent required to handle a 500 HP rear wheel drive car let alone a 700hp one. Buy something 4WD and cap yourself at 65 MPH.

[72BBSwinger]

Tom you're making the number of Valiants for sale shrink daily, STOP. The only thing saving us is those damn Mopars are SO expensive ;)

[Tomswheels]

Emil I'm excited to see yours getting out on track!

[dontlifttoshift]

Pointless question to which there is no answer, blah, blah, tell me what I should do.

Have you looked at a Ford GT?.....maybe a Ferrari.

Seriously though, Dominic Torretto's Charger does wheelies, ProTouring Chargers break control arms and can't even make the top five for street machine of the year.

The choice is clear, do wheelies!!

[raustinss]

Steilow has some yrs of experience spanking new cars with camaros eg. 2015 Z\28 with his latest 69, it really is all moneyand what you want to spend . 0-60 ....quadra-duece, drag car but, honestly does it matter that much on a street car if its 3.9 seconds or 5.2 ?

[72BBSwinger]

I always root for the underdog and the last thing this world needs is ANOTHER Camaro.

[Cobra 498]

Is this a "big hat no cattle" deal

[72BBSwinger]

Or boots never stepped in sh*t....

[mikedc]

1. Buy "conventional" PT hardware for the drivetrain & suspension. C5 suspension, LS3, etc. It costs money but it's not Bugatti-expensive.


2. Dump your money into getting a custom-made lightweight '69 Charger to put it in. Steel tube frame + alloy & fiberglass & carbon for all the panels/floors.


3. Forget about any specific performance numbers. Just accept that whatever this combination does run, it was the most that you could practically get for what you were willing to invest & compromise on. You will not end up giving a crap about 1/2-second differences in track numbers if this is a street car.

[MrQuick]

This thread makes me laugh...

Andrew

I got tired of laughing 8 years ago...its an annual repete thread topic.

I think the answer was super light, gobs of HP, TQ, RPM for launch, optimized traction and boat loads of cash. Pretty much in that order.

Even Toretto with his on the roll wheelie couldn't get 4 second 0-60. More like 2 seconds 0 to reality. Ludacris speed from a Charger will be a sight to behold.

OP if you are gonna do it lose the leafs, go with a long LCA torque arm or beefy 3 link. You can get good anti squat numbers from the later. You will need them. 345/19 slicks to qualify as a pro-touring car. Coil over shocks for good suspension control.

What engine again?

[dontlifttoshift]

Even Toretto with his on the roll wheelie couldn't get 4 second 0-60. More like 2 seconds 0 to reality. Ludacris speed from a Charger will be a sight to behold.?

What you did there, I see it.

[mean buzzen half dozen]

I am just wondering what are typical 0-60 MPH times in a PT car?

I know there are a lot of variables involved, but the ones that do autocross events & not necessarily win the events but do pretty good.

4-5 second range?

My truck does 0-60 in about 3.8 seconds, 1.6 60' but I do not think when my Camaro runs will even be close to that unless I run nice sticky tires.

[mikedc]

- personal opinion -

0-60 figures are too small to measure when it comes to modern sports cars.



The figure made sense decades ago when sports cars (not muscle cars) weighed 2300 lbs, had 100-200 rwhp, and had 1st gears too tall to really blow away the tires.

Now sports cars weigh 3500 lbs. They have 300+ horses at the wheels. Their first couple of gear ratios are crazy low compared to 30+ years ago. Trannys got lower gears because radial tires gripped better, small-displacement modern engines had no torque, and it helped manual trannys be a little easier to drive, especially in stop/go traffic.



The modern stopwatch gains in 0-60 times are mainly achievable in ideal circumstances on a perfect pass. The rest of the time (read: in the real world) you'll just blow off the tires with those low gears. Fun? Yeah. Fast? Not really.

I sometimes hear younger car guys talking about how one car is faster because of a 3.9 time in the 0-60 compared to 4.4 . . . whatever. That's not real-world driving. That is bragging rights for car magazines. You wanna know how fast two cars can really pull, then compare their MPH figures in a 1/4 mile.



Modern computerized launch-control setups are beginning to legitimize the low gearings lately. But I don't know a lot of guys who want electronic launch-control for their 45yo PT muscle car.

[MrQuick]

What you did there, I see it.
I can't get nothing past you Don...nothing. LOL

Wait till we start going Plaid.


- personal opinion -

0-60 figures are too small to measure when it comes to modern sports cars.



The figure made sense decades ago when sports cars (not muscle cars) weighed 2300 lbs, had 100-200 rwhp, and had 1st gears too tall to really blow away the tires.

Now sports cars weigh 3500 lbs. They have 300+ horses at the wheels. Their first couple of gear ratios are crazy low compared to 30+ years ago. Trannys got lower gears because radial tires gripped better, small-displacement modern engines had no torque, and it helped manual trannys be a little easier to drive, especially in stop/go traffic.



The modern stopwatch gains in 0-60 times are mainly achievable in ideal circumstances on a perfect pass. The rest of the time (read: in the real world) you'll just blow off the tires with those low gears. Fun? Yeah. Fast? Not really.

I sometimes hear younger car guys talking about how one car is faster because of a 3.9 time in the 0-60 compared to 4.4 . . . whatever. That's not real-world driving. That is bragging rights for car magazines. You wanna know how fast two cars can really pull, then compare their MPH figures in a 1/4 mile.



Modern computerized launch-control setups are beginning to legitimize the low gearings lately. But I don't know a lot of guys who want electronic launch-control for their 45yo PT muscle car.

Agreed, its a chest thumper number....but do you remember the test of a cars worth was if it could do a healthy burnout? I think Car and Driver did that for every car they tested. :rofl:

[Interceptor5588]

You may be able to get pretty close if you keep both goals in mind.

Rear: Adjustable swaybar, rear airbags.
Front: Reasonably narrower tire for weight savings, double adjustable shocks to allow suspension extension to max, swaybar with remote disconnect (like the Dodge Power Wagon)
All around: spec EVERYTHING for maximum lightness, especially the front. Naturally aspirated aluminum engine, rear-mounted turbo if needed, forged wheels, minimal aftermarket AC, hollow swaybars, aluminum or CF everywhere you can, Wilwood brakes with mid-level rotors and calipers to reduce unsprung weight but still provide repeatable stopping power. 200 treadwear tires.

Not saying this will work (it's all theoretical) but if you want to try, let us know how it turns out.

[Cobra 498]

Lamboghini Huracan 0-60 2.5 1/4 mile 10.4 @ 134 mph on.......street tires, good luck beating that thing with any muscle car plus it handles! $240k

[Sean Cooke]

I don't understand the warranty issue on Nissan. They put the launch control in the car, and then say "if you use what WE put, you void your warranty" ????

That sure confused the hell out of me.

Anyway, I am leaning towards getting the M/T E.T Street Radial's.

I mean, at the end of the day, the car wont be driven 30,000km a year anyway. More like 5000-10000km which is about the life of the tire.

Looking at the different sizes, they seem to have a nice one at 320mm wide, 28" tall for a 15" wheel. Something like that I think would look great on a 69 charger and give plenty of grip.

Is there such thing as 'too much' tire in the rear? - How much horsepower should I plan on having if I run a 320mm wide E.T Street Radial? Automatic gearbox etc as recommended.


Last question:

For all you guys that have serious pro-touring cars, with all the latest from Ridetech and etc...

If you had an identical car with identical power, just set up more like a drag car rather than a pro-touring car... how much actual difference will there be in launching, street power etc (given you use the E.T Radials)?

Like is the same car set up as a pro touring car gonna go say 0-100kmh in 4 seconds (full pro touring set up 700HP) while putting E.T Radials and some front-rear weight transfer (more drag setup) and launch control (of some sort), going to make that sub 3 seconds and quarter miles of 2+ seconds better?

So power is same, its the same car, you just set it up 'differently' from very stiff, no body roll side to side, or lift front to back to the other setup that allows the front to lift a little (not TOO much as you still want it nice on the road) etc...

How much would I gain from doing it that way vs pro-touring?

It's a huge differance, my car makes over 700hp on my 19x11 with 305/30r 19 the car can spin or get loose over 80mph - with a slick the car pins you into the seat like a sand rail. At the track 60' times on a street tire is 2.1/2.2 with a slick and foot braking it gets down into the 1.4's

[mean buzzen half dozen]

It's a huge differance, my car makes over 700hp on my 19x11 with 305/30r 19 the car can spin or get loose over 80mph - with a slick the car pins you into the seat like a sand rail. At the track 60' times on a street tire is 2.1/2.2 with a slick and foot braking it gets down into the 1.4's

How does your car launch with sticky 305/30r19's?

If you can launch really hard when auto crossing hence ( great 0-60 ft/0-60 MPH) would that help out a lot for an autocross event?
Yes of course you need to be able to handle good also.

My truck handles like crap but normally out 60ft's any street car on standard radial tires.

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It's a huge differance, my car makes over 700hp on my 19x11 with 305/30r 19 the car can spin or get loose over 80mph - with a slick the car pins you into the seat like a sand rail. At the track 60' times on a street tire is 2.1/2.2 with a slick and foot braking it gets down into the 1.4's

Sorry, but I got a little confused...

what exactly is a huge difference? Between a pro street and pro touring car?

I was confused as then you went on to say your car does real good stuff on 19" which tells me pro touring...

so what exactly were you saying?

Sorry...

And can 'huge' be given a realistic/rough number?

[Motorcitydak]

Thanks for the post BB, all wheel drive isn't cheating, it's just really really difficult. As everyone has said, traction is the issue. Power is useless if you can't put it down. Sending power to more wheels just makes it a bit easier. I am hoping that my 400-ish hp with good traction will get me that 2.5 second 0-60 time. We will see!

[Removed user as requested]

So I dont post a new thread as it is related to the same topic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNMfhe39opg

Can a Pro-Touring car do something like these cars do?

The white camaro hasn't even got that much power and it jumps straight off the line.

I just wondered at the 600-750 HP bracket... can a pro-touring car jump off the line like that or would I really need to keep the car more of a stock/pro-street setup?

[andrewb70]

So I dont post a new thread as it is related to the same topic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNMfhe39opg

Can a Pro-Touring car do something like these cars do?

The white camaro hasn't even got that much power and it jumps straight off the line.

I just wondered at the 600-750 HP bracket... can a pro-touring car jump off the line like that or would I really need to keep the car more of a stock/pro-street setup?

From watching that video, I would say that you need to buy a GTR...

A pro-touring car will never hook like those cars that are set-up for drag racing. Also, did you see how most of them were scaring down the road, while the GTR was straight as an arrow? Yeah...

Andrew

[TheJDMan]

So I dont post a new thread as it is related to the same topic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNMfhe39opg

Can a Pro-Touring car do something like these cars do?

The white camaro hasn't even got that much power and it jumps straight off the line.

I just wondered at the 600-750 HP bracket... can a pro-touring car jump off the line like that or would I really need to keep the car more of a stock/pro-street setup?

Short answer, NO! If you want a drag car, then build a drag car. Just don't expect a drag car to handle or brake worth a damn.

[Removed user as requested]

Short answer, NO! If you want a drag car, then build a drag car. Just don't expect a drag car to handle or brake worth a damn.

Breaking might not be an issue aha.

This is the thing... I want a pro-touring car, but I want it to launch/accelerate like the cars in that video.

That is all I'm trying to achieve.

[Schwartz Performance]

How about trying to set a goal.. Like "I want my Charger to break into the 10 second 1/4 mile times"... Mickey Thompson tires stick well, but won't handle well. There is always give and take. Many of the badass pro touring cars at LS Fest for instance run 11's and 10's in the 1/4 mile. Any quicker than that and you have to lose something. In my opinion, that's plenty fast!

-Dale

[Nicks67GTO]

Nelson Racing Engines is building a 2000 hp 67 GTO with AWD. Maybe contact them and see if they'll build you one out of a Charger.

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Nelson Racing Engines is building a 2000 hp 67 GTO with AWD. Maybe contact them and see if they'll build you one out of a Charger.

http://www.usmuscle.com.au/Forum/showthread.php?t=13727

^ That there is why Nelson would NEVER build me anything. Bunch of thieves.

Thanks for the feedback thus far anyway. Helping me decide which way I want to go in the end.

[LSX Man]

I skimmed through the posts.

GTR's are not untouchable. From a dig, they are highly respectable, however, at any roll race, a RWD car in the 4-500RWHP range will give it a run for its money. My LS6 Swapped 1991 Camaro (470 rwhp) has roll raced with about 4 of them, from speeds around 40-100mph. Each time I was either tied, or I slowly started to pull. This was on a 305/35/19 Michelin pilot sport tire. Now give me a big sticky drag radial and a good launch, I'm sure I would be able to hang with the GTR from a dig. Not beat, but hang with it. Keep in mind, these GTR's weigh nearly 4,000lbs.

Now my Camaro only weighs around 3,250lbs, which is much lighter than your charger. So I feel like if you compensated with more power, you could hang with a GTR from a dig, with the right tire/power. And depending on how much money you want to throw at it, I'm sure you can hang and beat it in a straight line, along with turns.