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ViperBlue68

10-18-2005, 12:42 PM

http://www.norcal-ls1.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43499

JLM

10-18-2005, 12:59 PM

I don't think they would use corvette styled tail lights on a camaro. They've always had horrizontal tail lights it would seam a disgrace to detract from that.

I do like that style though.

Steve Chryssos

10-18-2005, 01:04 PM

69Nova

10-18-2005, 01:05 PM

Looks good, but that is not a Camaro to me. I'll just leave it at that.

Andrew Petty

Scott Parkhurst

10-18-2005, 01:14 PM

"I don't think they would use corvette styled tail lights on a camaro. They've always had horrizontal tail lights it would seam a disgrace to detract from that."

1970, 71, 72?

BADVELLE

10-18-2005, 01:53 PM

Nice 2008 Corvette! Please don't tell me GM is going to ruin another icon, Ford did'nt (this time around)!

J-Rod

10-18-2005, 02:01 PM

Heh, reminds me of the new Supra concept.

http://www.autospies.com/images/uploads/large/SP32-20051002-135454.jpg

DeepBlue68

10-18-2005, 02:18 PM

Kris's renderings seem much more like a Camaro to me than that pic. That doesn't really look like a part of the Camaro lineage to me for some reason. Maybe it's because if you cover up the back of the car it could pass for an Aston Martin with Torq Thrust IIs.

Samckitt

10-18-2005, 02:26 PM

To me it looks similar to a Viper. But i like it.
Scot

Andrew McBride

10-18-2005, 02:47 PM

If that is at all what the camaro will look like I will pass. Like mentioned above looks like vette tailights and pretty much looks like the C6 vette rear panel. I think for chevy to be able to compete with the Ford mustang or anybody else in the sports car market they will have to twist a little of the most popular camaro ever built, 69 camaro. Just like the 67 Mustang Fastback is the car Ford centered their attention on with the 05 mustang.

I like to think that this will sorta be a start of another battle between Pony Cars. Has anyone ever thought of the fact the mustang was in production in 64 1/2, and the new mustang was produced in 05'.
The 67 Camaro is in production 2.5 years after the 64 1/2 mustang. Wouldn't it be kinda cool if their focus was to have the camaro out by the 2.5-3 year mark. I dunno just some crazy thought I have had.

graycamaro

10-18-2005, 02:50 PM

looks kinda short like a rebodied pontiac solstice. Yeah a four cylinder camaro to go with those 4 door chargers. Now all we need is a mustang mini van and we will really be set for some serious racing fun. HA HA HA.

Nine Ball

10-18-2005, 03:21 PM

honestly, I haven't seen a single dream rendering of the future Camaro that I like. NONE of them.

Bill Howell

10-18-2005, 03:22 PM

Well, call me odd man out, but I like it. Of course, I would like to see the frontend too.
Dang guys, they are not going to build a 69 camaro again. The rear fenders do favor the 68's if you really look at it. This looks so much better than the current GTO. Give me one, I will drive it....

Mean 69

10-18-2005, 03:40 PM

Geeze, guys! It's not like there hasn't been rippoff sightings here in the past, but doesn't that back end feel a lot like a Lotus Elise? Thief!

I kind of like it too. Sexy lines, but I don't consider it "anything," by name/heritage anyway. Is the new GTO worthy of the name? Most folks would say "no," but it is still a pretty cool car these days, all things considered.

I have a feeling that a different new Camaro rendering will be coming along that folks will not only "like," but will have input into also. And sorry folks, don't blame the artists if/when the big three grab a concept, and then totally screw it up when it is ready for production (new Mustang is an example, even though with some updates, it can still be okay for a new American based car). Whether you like it or not, economics, "safety," and practicality for the masses dominate the American car industry, with three exceptions: Cadillac CTS-V, Ford GT, and Chevy Corvette Z06. Those three have it "down."

If you want a muscle car, buy a muscle car. If you want it to handle as good or better than a new performance car, well, then call us! (Shameless plug, I had to, sorry, but everyone else does it...).

Sorry if this is a highjack, but what of the new Pontiac Solistice? Saw one in the flesh on the road the other day, didn't immediately know what it was due to a checkered flag getup paint scheme, but it got my attention. Got turbo, anyone?

M

Andrew McBride

10-18-2005, 04:11 PM

I don't know if the comments about being to harsh are towards my comment, I didn't mean to be negative if that is how it was taken.
I normally try to hold out on my opinion! I don't absolutely hate the car. I will add what I do like. The car isn't bad, just looks like a remake of a few cars combined. The front body line above the front fender and door looks great. I like the overall style of the roof line and windows.

I think we all can understand they aren't going to remake a 69 camaro, but new style with old style is what most of us on this board are about. I used the example of the 67 mustang in my post above.
I know that is what I would like to see but thats just one persons opinion.
I will be patient and just wait and see if GM surprises us with a camaro!

zbugger

10-18-2005, 04:57 PM

"I don't think they would use corvette styled tail lights on a camaro. They've always had horrizontal tail lights it would seam a disgrace to detract from that."

1970, 71, 72?
Uhhh.... You forgot 1973.

pushrod243

10-18-2005, 06:17 PM

:barf:

looks pretty japanese to me

colt zantop

10-18-2005, 10:25 PM

yuck! I dont care for it ..... call it something besides a camaro, thats a different story. I do like kris's renderings but I really havent seen a concept of it I like either. the retro thing is a cool idea but I would like to see something based off the 4th gen .

just my 2 cents

[email protected]

10-19-2005, 02:07 AM

i think it looks alright. as long as it can fit a 335 in the back and has 400+hp with the possibility of putting a KB on it im all game. the camaro crowd has been so spoiled with the 67-73 camaros that after that i'd say people didnt like the design because they got it right the first time (for once). i say scratch the camaro let it live it's peace and bring back the vega with the I6 and a turbo :cheers:

ProdigyCustoms

10-19-2005, 03:53 AM

Wow. I am so numbed by these Camaro "dream" images. I guess I no longer care if a new Camaro is produced. There are plenty of great cars out there. New and old.

Life's too short--and the list of cars I want is too long.

I agree 100%, I do not even think we need a new Camaro at this point, I cannot afford all the other cars I want already, there is probably little chance I would buy a Camaro unless they really blow the roof off this thing, and this is coming from a 25 year Camaro / Firebird loyalist. Just too much other cool stuff out there.

CAMAROBOY69

10-19-2005, 04:06 AM

If I had the money I would just buy the new Corvette. I could care less about the new Camaro (out of the designs I have seen so far).
Besides, that render looks more like the Cobalt rear end than a Corvette.

Bigblue73

10-19-2005, 05:17 AM

Ha ha -- GM is doing a direct copy of the dodge firepower concept car from last year. Shame on them.

JohnnyGMachine

10-19-2005, 06:41 AM

I don't think what you're seeing was created by anybody from GM. It just looks like a photochop to me.

I feel the same way you guys do, if GM makes this new Camaro it better be MIND-BLOWING. I hope they learned from the GTO that you can have a great performing car but if you don't give it some agressive styling it's not gonna fly.

If you guys can hang in there until Sunday, I will finally be posting my 5th generation designs and renderings for what I think the new Camaro really should look like...or something like. I think my design has got the right proportions, modern styling, and plenty of heritage - and I definately want input from all you guys. As long as it's positive I have open ears. Scott G. is gonna help me out with a temporary page to put the 5th gen on and the 2-3 people I have shown the front 3/4 view to we're likin' it a whole lot. I will have just enough time before SEMA to finish a front 3/4 Z28 version, and SS version, and a rear 3/4 view Z28 version...maybe the SS from behind as well. IF I have time, have also sketched up a rough version for the Firebird so the Pontiac guys won't get left out.

If I get enough of a positive response on it, I will be building a 1/4 scale prototype model of it.

John

rob07002

10-19-2005, 07:08 AM

Just too much other cool stuff out there.

Your right Frank, from Ford and Dodge!

I would welcome and celebrate the return of the Camaro, no matter how it looked. Well almost, please, please don't pull a GTO on this one. All the parts are in place for a pretty sweet lsx f-body, the question is will GM drop the ball....

DeepBlue68

10-19-2005, 07:36 AM

If I get enough of a positive response on it, I will be building a 1/4 scale prototype model of it.

1/4 scale?? That's gonna be pretty big! What are you planning on constructing the prototype from?

JohnnyGMachine

10-19-2005, 08:45 AM

I went to school for Industrial Design and took all the automotive design and model building classes. The first semester you would design your car and work out the package design meaning the baisc ergonimics for the passengers and component placement such as the motor, drivetrain, fuel tank, etc. all to scale. Then the next semester you would take the follow up class and build your prototype from scratch based off of you package drawing and design. The package drawing was basically your blueprint. There was an advanced class I took where I was able to work with the modeling clay which was pretty cool. For our class we constructed our models from dense foam sheets and an acrylic center rib to help maintain the basic shape of the car while forming the body. Once you had your foam body pretty much symmetrical and trued up you would cover the foam with a thin layer of wood glue and then lay sheets of fiberglass over the form and apply the resin. Then you do all the final sanding and cleanup work and finish developing all your surfaces. When the body was done, then you'd cut out the wheel well openings. Next we'd hop on the lathe and carve out a wheel and tire. To make it easy we'd just make rubber molds to make all four. Then I would usually make up a set of aluminum discs and calipers to go behind the wheels, add grill details, then paint and add custom emblems and graphics. I have pics of me working on a couple. I did 2 1:10 scale cars and 1 1:4 scale car while I was there.
I miss the hands on building and fabricating stuff so much.

I think building a wicked 1:4 scale 5th gen Camaro model would be a blast. If I start it I'll see maybe if I can have it done by SEMA 2006 for the PT dinner.

John

trapin

10-19-2005, 08:57 AM

MuscleRodz

10-19-2005, 10:18 AM

Everybody......STOP!!!!

That picture is in no way, shape, or form associated with the General Motors Corporation. Please do not draw any conculusions from it.

Thank you.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program, already in progress.
From the insider himself. What everybody need to do is wait till January and see the real concept. Its only a couple more months.

Mike

JohnnyGMachine

10-19-2005, 10:24 AM

LOL! Tony is the Camaro Police! Hey Tony, there's no way that could be the next Camaro - atleast that's what I thought right off the bat. But thanks for the clearification!
:hah:

John

Scott Parkhurst

10-19-2005, 11:03 AM

Everybody......STOP!!!!

That picture is in no way, shape, or form associated with the General Motors Corporation. Please do not draw any conculusions from it.

Thank you.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program, already in progress.

Thanks!!!

I've seen so many dream images of "the new Camaro" I can't even begin to take any of them seriously...not even enough to criticize or applaud. They're simply not real, and pasting the name "Camaro" on them only serves to get people (like us) to look at them.

Kris Horton's renderings were based on "traditional" Camaro styling, but they were still a styling exercise sponsored by the magazine that published them.

"Unreal" is a fun word to use...say it slowly a few times....

Until (or "when") GM releases something, I'll get interested again. Until then, I cannot allow myself to give a damn about anyone's "Camaro" renderings.

They're just "pictures of cars"...they're not "Camaros"...

SP~!

Doug Harden

10-19-2005, 08:29 PM

Everybody......STOP!!!!

That picture is in no way, shape, or form associated with the General Motors Corporation. Please do not draw any conculusions from it.

Thank you.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program, already in progress.

The better question is......have you seen "IT"? .............and if so, which of the thousand drawings on the interweb is the closest?!? ;)

How's about this one?? :secret:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

Ralph LoGrasso

10-19-2005, 08:44 PM

Cool wheels :).

96Z28SS

10-20-2005, 10:31 AM

The better question is......have you seen "IT"? .............and if so, which of the thousand drawings on the interweb is the closest?!? ;)

How's about this one?? :secret:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

I think this is the best one I've seen, it blends in the 67 68 69 camaro.
I think its what GM needs to do to take some sales away from Ford.

Steve1968LS2

10-20-2005, 10:37 AM

I would buy that car.. in that blue color :)

I will wait to see what comes out.. I've heard rumors that it will have retro touches ala the '05 'Stang.

Remember.. the Camaro is more than just a name.. it is a package of the right parts. If they build and affordable RWD/V8 high-performance coupe I will buy it even it is called the "Hydrengia".. lol

Damn True

10-20-2005, 10:48 AM

I think it's important for GM to recall certain design elements of the 1st gen cars without trying to make it LOOK like a 1st gen car. Make it completely modern, but with a bit of homage to the past. Kris' drawing is awesome, but I kinda doubt those fenders would make it onto a production piece. That's an awfull lot of complexity it terms of stamping.

The main thing though is that the car LOOKS like a Camaro. If you look at most 30+ year old cars you can tell what they are from 100' away because designers sought unique shapes that were as identifiable in a distant silouete as they were up close. Nowadays everything has about the same shape to it. From 100' away you cant tell an Accord from a Camry from a G6 from a 325i.

The retro thing can be overdone IMO.

ViperBlue68

10-20-2005, 10:52 AM

The better question is......have you seen "IT"? .............and if so, which of the thousand drawings on the interweb is the closest?!? ;)

How's about this one?? :secret:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

:attn: I'll take a Blue one with the White stripes please!

Bigblue73

10-20-2005, 12:45 PM

Check out www.creatingthelie.com Well worth the time. I like the Challenger on his page, however, the Gray Camaro has really nice points.

trapin

10-21-2005, 10:20 AM

I'm not saying that there is 'in fact' a Camaro being designed. I'm just saying that the picture posted is not a GM sanctioned image.

To answer the earlier inquiry....I have no knowledge of any car named 'Camaro' being designed at GM as we speak. And I encourage you all, to pay close attention to the press releases from the NAIS in Detroit in January because it's supposed to have some great stuff there this year.

.....including, a couple of surprises.

Damn True

10-21-2005, 10:23 AM

The best excercise in "Plausible Deniability" since the Johnson Administration.

96Z28SS

10-21-2005, 10:29 AM

TonyL

10-21-2005, 10:30 AM

Hey Tony, How about a list of all the car "names" currently under research at Chevy? HMMMMM?

/knows they code name everything...........
//rubs hands together

Doug Harden

10-21-2005, 01:09 PM

GMX284 I believe ;)

Oh and trapin......you said a "couple" of surprises?? I know the car thought to be the Camaro will be there, but is the car like a Bel Air / Caprice(?) concept going to be there too?? I thought not....not yet.....

I'll get to see them 'both' at a "pre"-preview in January I guess.

trapin

10-21-2005, 05:39 PM

Oh and trapin......you said a "couple" of surprises?? I know the car thought to be the Camaro will be there, but is the car like a Bel Air / Caprice(?) concept going to be there too??

No plans for a Bel Air or a Caprice that I know of.

Damn True

10-21-2005, 05:51 PM

Of course they wouldn't be called "Bel-Air" or "Caprice" at this point now would they?

TonyL

11-21-2005, 04:45 PM

since this is bubbling up in the other new camaro thread I thought I'd bump it.

no bel air?

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2005/11/2002_chevrolet_bel_air-1.jpg
with a little help this coulda been something. (hood bullets, better wheels, longer "fins") This is the kinda thing that scares me as an enthusiast. The same people that gave us this kinda "nostalgia" are dealing with the next F body.

/crosses fingers.....Pleeeeeease don't screw the next f body up....

trapin

11-21-2005, 05:51 PM

Well....ya gotta throw something out there. We build em and put on display for people to see at NAIS so we can gauge interest in the idea. If we don't get the feedback we're looking for, then the car stays what it began as; A concept.

Bill Howell

11-21-2005, 05:54 PM

Is that one of your mirror designs Tony?

trapin

11-21-2005, 06:04 PM

Lol!!!!

Damn True

11-21-2005, 07:06 PM

TonyL

11-21-2005, 07:25 PM

We build em and put on display for people to see at NAIS so we can gauge interest in the idea.

But see, what you throw out there has to not suck. the bel air was a great idea, poorly executed. A better design would have made all the difference. people should be rolling bel airs not 300Cs.. The market for an upscale sedan was there, and GM missed the boat. By a mile.

Stu Seitz

11-21-2005, 09:48 PM

I'm don't mean to offend anyone but I'm going to generalize somethings in my post so don't take it personal.

Now after reading too many post about how some people want this and other people want that I have noticed a couple important things.

First off most of you guys are middle age, and I'm going to ASSume that you guys fell in love with Camaros in your youth (back when they were new). Now that you are older your taste have change and so have the size of your check books. When you say that there are so many other choices, I bet a lot of you are thinking Z06, Vipers, Lambos and the myriad of pro-touring projects you guys can dream up. All of which cost a lot of money; and our case, building cars from the ground up, takes a lot of know how.

Now being 20, my aspirations of having fast cars are just as big if not bigger then yours, but my check book isn't. So a new camaro, while it may not be the best performing car and it may not even be in production YET! I still really really want one! My friends have STi's, Evo 8's while others have Supra's and M3's (E36's my friends arn't that rich), all of which I could care less about. I want an AMERICAN V8, lound, fast, affordable, and with new styling (i'll get to that later).

Secondly, everyone wants somthing different, one of the reasons why I think a lot of people glorify the good ole days. Where you could get a strait six or a ground pounding 427. Now the differance between an SS and a Z/28 is an oil cooler and a rear spoiler.

Now if you don't want to hear how I think GM should make the new camaro just skip down to the next post.

Please GM make a Z/28 a road course car and an SS a drag car that way everyone is happy, it wouldn't even be that hard! Here is how they would be set up.

The z/28 would be a large bore, high reving, IRS, road course car. Ls2 block, 5.3 crank, ASA cam, Displacment on demand so the six speed wouldn't have to be a double over-drive tranny. Dear god no T-tops please o please no glass above my head! Now for the IRS; I know the GM RWD platform is already designed (at least i think it is) but for the sake of arguement, have a car that can accept an IRS or a 4 link. Like the SN95 mustang where the GT's had a quadra-bind and the 03-04 cobra's had an IRS.

You can probably guess what the SS is going to be but just so there is nothing left to the imagination. Solid axle drag car, 408 mabye a 396, auto or m6 with 3.73 or even 4.11 in a stick axle, suspended by a 4 link, softer springs. you get the point.

Both car have the same chassis but are different enough to be marketed as a different cars, filling different people's need while still staying true to the camaro's past.

Last but not least, to go retro or not? I choose the later; I have a 69 camaro for the sole reason that I think it is the best looking car ever made, please GM, don't spoil it by trying to coppy it because your designers can't hack it. I know a lot of poeple like the new mustang because of it's retro styling, personaly I think it looks like a @#%!ing brick (wind tunnel testing has proven that it also has the aero of one). What will happen in 4-6 years when the mustang needs a re-styling? Move to the early 70's mabye style it like the boss 302, mach 1? That's cool but what about after that? I mean ford hit a home run when they styled it like the 65-66 fastback, but they also put a rather short life span on the styling. Who wants to buy a new 2010 mustang styled like ........ a MUSTANG 2!!!!!!!! The styling of the 60's looked good but was un-aerodynamic take hints from the styling of the 60's but not the whole thing!

/rant

wantahertzdonut

11-22-2005, 07:31 AM

It might pass as being something GM would make nowadays, boring, round, and shapeless. If this is the look of sporty then I'll look somewhere else.

I'm just tired of round, undefined cars. The 4th gen Firebirds were great, but the 4th gen Camaros were just plain dull. Way too unagressive looking to be a Camaro. This is just the same.

trapin

11-22-2005, 10:47 AM

Stuart....it sounds like a good idea, but GM would never do 2 'totally' different rear suspensions on the same architecture. The money in design, engineering, and fabrication would be astronomical. The price of the program (and car) would go through the roof. I know because I did packaging or GM years ago and I know what is involved. It's would be a great luxury, that's for sure. But it's just not financially feasible in today's industry.

It might pass as being something GM would make nowadays, boring, round, and shapeless.
You give me an example of every car GM makes that is boring, round, and shapeless and I will counter each with an example from our friends over in the land of the rising sun.

Gotta love that Honda Element with the plastic fenders.

For the love of God....PLASTIC FENDERS. Not composite....PLASTIC!!!

There is no way in HELL the press in this country would let us get away with that. But they'll let the Japanese do it.

Damn True

11-22-2005, 10:55 AM

While I agree with you that ToyoHondaLexus are about the least interesting things on the road, the HHR, Monte Carlo & LaCrosse are not exactly thrilling design bonanza's either. Toss in Grand Prix-Am for good measure.

Now on the flip side: The Vette, cobalt, Solstice, G6 & GTO all rock. But then so does the Nissan 350 & Inifnity G35.

Damn True

11-22-2005, 10:56 AM

Gotta love that Honda Element with the plastic fenders.

For the love of God....PLASTIC FENDERS. Not composite....PLASTIC!!!

There is no way in HELL the press in this country would let us get away with that. But they'll let the Japanese do it.

Chevy Avalanche?
Saturn?

wantahertzdonut

11-22-2005, 12:20 PM

You give me an example of every car GM makes that is boring, round, and shapeless and I will counter each with an example from our friends over in the land of the rising sun.

Easy. The last Camaro. Everything Buick. Luminas/monte carlos. Malibus. They all look like blobs, and the Camaro was severly lacking when it came to looking aggressive like a sports/musclecar should. Sure the last of those are not sporty cars but when they begin to look unsporty then they look unappealing.

There are exceptions as GM has had some great looking cars as well (Firebirds, Vettes, Trailblazers) but only a few examples that I can think of. For the most part everything is so rounded and streamlined that there is no character left in them.

And it's not just a matter of looks. It's the platforms themselves. I'm considering picking up a used IS300 despite the fact that I think it's not quite the prettiest car on the road (it's ok), but it's a RWD sedan that I can get with a manual. Plus it's got a great reliability record. What have we seen from GM? Lots of big, bulky, problem-ridden FWD sedans with V6's. I'm sick of cars like that. I want RWD but not I can't drive a sports car every day.

Why do you think I'm saying Japanese styling as being better anyway? (they just rip off the Germans)

Ralph LoGrasso

11-22-2005, 12:29 PM

You guys really are hard to please...

Dull and boring? :dunno:

Steve1968LS2

11-22-2005, 12:32 PM

The 4th gen Firebirds were great, but the 4th gen Camaros were just plain dull. Way too unagressive looking to be a Camaro. This is just the same.

They all look like blobs, and the Camaro was severly lacking when it came to looking aggressive like a sports/musclecar should.

Hey, I would have to take exception at those remarks!! ;)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

The WS6 was Disco and the SS was rock and roll!

wantahertzdonut

11-22-2005, 01:05 PM

Hey, I would have to take exception at those remarks!! ;)

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The WS6 was Disco and the SS was rock and roll!

I wish it were the other way around, because disco really does suck!

wantahertzdonut

11-22-2005, 01:15 PM

You guys really are hard to please...

Dull and boring? :dunno:

It just doesn't get me excited. No curves, no lines, looks like a catfish!

This, however, is automotive beauty. This is the angry look a modern musclecar should have.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

Had the Camaro at least had "hips" like the Firebird did I'd like it a lot better. That's really all it took. I'd even forgive them for the spoiler!

Nine Ball

11-22-2005, 01:30 PM

If you think 4th gen Camaros look boring, you are difficult to please. I agree that the 4th gen WS6 is an instant classic, but its not like Camaros were 'boring'.

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some more:

http://www.ls1tech.com/PowerTour04/images/DSC03186.jpg
http://www.ls1tech.com/NvS_2005/images/IMG_0321.jpg
http://www.ls1tech.com/NvS_2005/images/IMG_0264.jpg

the Firebird didn't have "hips", it just had doors that were concaved a bit. The cars are the same width.

Ralph LoGrasso

11-22-2005, 01:32 PM

It just doesn't get me excited. No curves, no lines, looks like a catfish!

This, however, is automotive beauty. This is the angry look a modern musclecar should have.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

Had the Camaro at least had "hips" like the Firebird did I'd like it a lot better. That's really all it took. I'd even forgive them for the spoiler!

Heh, The camaro is to catfish as the firebird is to batmobile. Also, that's the WS6 you're posting, without that hood the firebird's lines are pretty much on the same plane as the camaros in terms of aggressiveness. When I bought my car six months ago, I was looking at the WS6 or SS. In the end, the SS had a more timless apperance, and the WS6 was just a bit too aggressive (not a fan of the rear wing, inparticular). This is just my opinion, though. I sure wouldn't mind having both..

Nine Ball

11-22-2005, 01:36 PM

WS6 Formula is THE best looking combo for 4th gens. I miss my first one:

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rob07002

11-22-2005, 01:47 PM

Now on the flip side: The Vette, cobalt, Solstice, G6 & GTO all rock.

With the exception of the Vette, and Solstice, and with all due respect...

ARE YOU HIGH!

the cobore, Gsucks, and GT OH NO suck big giant elephant pee pee in the design dept.....

Damn True

11-22-2005, 02:16 PM

Geez, is there anything you like?

The Cobalt is meant to compete against Neon, Civic, Scion and similar. It performs far better (except against the SRT4) and looks very different. I don't want one, but I think they did a fine job on it.

The G6 is meant to compete against Accord and Camry. Again, better performance, and it dosen't look like the same car from 50' away. Another nice job.

The GTO is a total home-run. Look at the original GTO vs. the Tempest. From 50' away you cant tell the difference. The GTO was always subtle, a sleeper, a wolf in family car clothing. Tell me they didn't honor that?

6'9"Witha69

11-22-2005, 02:25 PM

The GTO is a total home-run. Look at the original GTO vs. the Tempest. From 50' away you cant tell the difference. The GTO was always subtle, a sleeper, a wolf in family car clothing. Tell me they didn't honor that?
Other than the look of a beefed up Cavalier, It looks great. And I don't make the Cav comparison based on a closed minded opinion, I drove by one on the freeway and wondered why there was a wing on a Cav.

True, other than that I agree with you on the other 2.

trapin

11-22-2005, 04:47 PM

Alright...let's not turn this into a pissing contest.

Everyones tastes are different. I could name about 30 Japanese cars that I think are an absolute joke in design. Actually...I think pretty much all Japanese cars are boring. But I'm not going to name them off.

Whats the point? To each his own.

rob07002

11-22-2005, 08:19 PM

Geez, is there anything you like?

Hmmm, now let me think abou that....:poke:

The Cobalt is meant to compete against Neon, Civic, Scion and similar. It performs far better (except against the SRT4) and looks very different. I don't want one, but I think they did a fine job on it.

The G6 is meant to compete against Accord and Camry. Again, better performance, and it dosen't look like the same car from 50' away. Another nice job.

Perhaps that was the mkt GM was going for but, I've yet to see anyone in that demographic driving a a cobalt SS (laugh) or G6. and personally couldn't care less about these cars.

The GTO is a total home-run. Look at the original GTO vs. the Tempest. From 50' away you cant tell the difference. The GTO was always subtle, a sleeper, a wolf in family car clothing. Tell me they didn't honor that?

This is true, the new GTO does honor what the old Goat was back in the day as far as the gentleman's hot rod, BUT I don't think they actually meant that to happen, just a big coicidence. Back in 64 the GTO was an expirement, which is why there wasn't big styling difference between a tempest and the GTO. Towards the end of its life however, the GTO and other musclecars built an incredible brand and legacy within GM, and there was no mistaking a GTO for a LeMans or Tempest, or Chevelle SS from a Malibu. The GTO to many yougsters out there is an urban legend, told in stories the old man tells when he has a few in him, talking abou the days of glory. This new potential buyer isn't educated as to these cars' legacy and pedigree, Thats where they dropped the ball. There is no WOW! when you see one, no looking for more then a microsecond. Granted it performs like a rapped ape, but w/o eye catching design, there is now way their going to attract a new breed.

I'm not trying to enter a pissing contest, just dissagree with some opinions. But I do refuse to accept these mediocre designs as cutting edge. I respect all thoughts and comments... Its what makes this board a great place for ideas.

:grouphug:

bnickel

11-23-2005, 09:20 AM

i think the gto is supposed to get a serious makeover in the next couple of years. personally i think for what they had to do to get that car into the states, they actually did a really good job on the car. they were not able to change the design to much and still get the car aproved for use here. for the people that say the car looks too much like a grand prix, that was the intent, they had to get the gto approved for sale in the us by riding it on the coat tails of the grand prix for both emissions and crash safety, otherwise there would have been no GTO at all.

Damn True

06-01-2007, 02:06 PM

This article appeared in todays San Jose Mercury News.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_6035916?nclick_check=1

There is amuch better profile photo of the car in the actual paper. The new revision on the wheels look muuuuch better than the original concept car wheels.

More like these
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

trapin

06-01-2007, 05:30 PM

Damn, True (there's that pun again)...you really dug deep for this one. November of '05 was the last posting. I'd have just started a new thread. LOL!!! Just messin' with ya.

The vehicle I'm working on has been moved temporarily to the studio that Camaro is in. Needless to say...I've been in there a lot more recently than I need to be. LOL!!!

All I can say is.....this is a car that is going to be REAL hard to resist when it debuts. I might have to just lease one out from under my wife's nose. How's that old saying go? Better to ask forgiveness than permission?