32 Ford Roadster, Project Acid Test, C6 Suspension, LS, Single Turbo, Track Toy

[rat_rod_russell]

32 Ford Roadster, Project Acid Test, C6 Suspension, LS, Single Turbo, Track Toy

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/L01_2-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_01/photos/L-01_2.jpg)
Drawing by my buddy Tyler Richlen (http://tylerrichlen.blogspot.com/)

Thought it was about time I introduced a project I’ve been tinkering with for a customer, Dave, for over a year now. Things happened, we got slow, he moved, ideas changed, new manufacturing tools were made available, ect. But finally we’ve locked down the ideas and we’re moving forward. Hit list first then the story bits about what and why we’re doing things or have done things. Like I said this project has a lot of shop evolution as well as technology evolution.

• 1932 Ford Roadster, Fiberglass Hot Rod Jim Body (aka one of our old bodies from before the fire)
• Nerd Rods Custom Tube Chassis, laser cut and CNC bent, designed in Solidworks
• C6 Z06 Corvette Suspension
• C5 Differential with Nerd Rods (was Hot Rod Jim’s) differential adapter, 4:10 gears, stock limited slip
• 5.3L, Aluminum block, Stock crank, rods and pistons, Texas Speed heads, Holley intake,
• STS Single Turbo, Turbo logic boost controller, 2.5” exhaust, CNC bent custom
• T56 or T6060
• Brakes, still up in the air
• Wheels, 10.5” front with 275’s, 12” rears with 345’s (probably going to go nuts here later on)

So this party started as a quick project to give Dave a toy while we worked on his 55 project. We were going to use lots of parts off our PT-57 project that were pulled off the older chassis. We’ll just say that and show you these photos of the initial design. We were planning to do everything on a flat laser as that was our primary CNC experience at the time and so this reflects that.

Full Gallery Here http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_01/

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/L10_1-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_01/photos/L-10_1.jpg) https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/L08_1-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_01/photos/L-08_1.jpg) https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/L37-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_01/photos/L-37.jpg) https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/L19_1-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_01/photos/L-19_1.jpg)

That was the plan, until he needed to move for work so the project got sidelined. Once he got settled in we had developed a new product based on new technology (new to us at least), a weld it yourself frame kit. So the design evolved to include some CNC cut tubing. At least until our supplier unceremoniously dumped us by trying to triple the price for no explainable reason. So now it was our turn to need to chill while we located new suppliers as well as developed the design to properly utilize the new equipment. Namely we needed the CNC tubing laser to cut the complex parts for our kits. We found two new shops and finally got back into the swing of things but what we found at one of these new laser shops was even more toys. A CNC tubing bender and a CNC tubing laser all under one roof (Don’t ask, they’re not taking on any more work and I’m not supposed to release their info, It took a lot of pleading for them to take on my own projects and they only really took it because I was willing to give them 6-8 week delivery times and supply CAD.)

And so the idea of a full CNC tube chassis became feasible, and I did a quick drawing to see if we could make it look cool.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/L15-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_01/photos/L-15.jpg) https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/L16-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_01/photos/L-16.jpg) https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/L17-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_01/photos/L-17.jpg) https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/L26-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_01/photos/L-26.jpg)


Dave approved and so authorized a 3D scan of the body for the computer so I could really fit the cage and driver in the super confined space of the 1932 Ford Roadster. As so we called Absolute Geometries to do the deed.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/20150204_H6A1310-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_02/photos/20150204-_H6A1310.jpg) https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/20150204_H6A1316-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_02/photos/20150204-_H6A1316.jpg) https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/20150204_H6A1315-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_02/photos/20150204-_H6A1315.jpg)

[rat_rod_russell]

So while I was waiting on the scan data to come back to me someone asked me about fenders. My reply was “No Fender No Problems!” thinking about a set of 345’s up front and some 355’s out back in the long run but then I started looking at some of the old fender shapes and thinking about an areo package. And so I slapped this on the front to look like the old fender shape, it’s just another proof of concept but I think it’s a good looking stat. We’ll come back to this later when I get a chance to play with some CFD (FYI, I have a friend who is willing to let me play with his package and teach me so I will come back to this)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/Daves_Roadster_Front_Spoiler_03-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_02/photos/Daves_Roadster_Front_Spoiler_03.jpg) https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/Daves_Roadster_Front_Spoiler_02-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_02/photos/Daves_Roadster_Front_Spoiler_02.jpg) https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/Daves_Roadster_Front_Spoiler_01-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_02/photos/Daves_Roadster_Front_Spoiler_01.jpg)

The scan was done and looks awesome! We compressed the hell out of this file so it would load faster so you can see some areas that are not so nice but having the body makes all the difference when fitting inside these tiny old hot rods.

Well, let’s just say my original design had some creative license going for it and after just dropping the body into the computer you can see how badly off I was in several areas.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/Daves_Roadster_Rendering_18-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_02/photos/Daves_Roadster_Rendering_18.jpg) https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/Daves_Roadster_Rendering_19-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_02/photos/Daves_Roadster_Rendering_19.jpg) https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/Daves_Roadster_Rendering_20-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_02/photos/Daves_Roadster_Rendering_20.jpg)

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So next I pulled the cage up into place and it all the sudden lots is bad ass-a-re, and so some re design was in order.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/Daves_Roadster_Rendering_23-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_02/photos/Daves_Roadster_Rendering_23.jpg)

After re working the cage shape quite considerably this is basically where I stand.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/Daves_Roadster_Rendering_24-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_02/photos/Daves_Roadster_Rendering_24.jpg) https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/Daves_Roadster_Rendering_25-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_02/photos/Daves_Roadster_Rendering_25.jpg) https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/03/Daves_Roadster_Rendering_27-1.jpg (http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_02/photos/Daves_Roadster_Rendering_27.jpg)

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Any thought or constructive criticism is very very welcome.

Complete Photo Gallery Here,
http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_02/

Later
-Russell

[wfo guy]

I'm a 32 owner so I'll be watching. There are 3 rules in the hot rod world that most of us live by. It has to set right. It has to sound right. It has to move right. The stance on any vehicle is what get's your first glance and the oh boy or oh no reaction. Because of your goal, you will be lower to the ground than a daily driver. It it's out of proportions, you might have a great handler but not a looker. I don't have any advise and I'm sure you know everything I've mentioned. It's amazing to me to see what can be done with access to tech tools. If I only''''!

[bergers59]

This thing is awesome. Personally like the second to last rendition of the cage as far as profile goes, the newest version is too busy looking. However, I know head room is of concern and the first cage needs more bracing

[Justin@EntropyRad]

The open renderings remind me of an Exocet or an Ariel Atom

[JustJohn]

What about tight compact fenders that move with the suspension? Something like this:
110532

[jaybee]

I absolutely love this project. An early car is a great version of "how little car can you wrap around a driver" which is always fun. Making it modern and racy is a great, innovative concept.

[rat_rod_russell]

I'm a 32 owner so I'll be watching. There are 3 rules in the hot rod world that most of us live by. It has to set right. It has to sound right. It has to move right. The stance on any vehicle is what get's your first glance and the oh boy or oh no reaction. Because of your goal, you will be lower to the ground than a daily driver. It it's out of proportions, you might have a great handler but not a looker. I don't have any advise and I'm sure you know everything I've mentioned. It's amazing to me to see what can be done with access to tech tools. If I only''''!

We had fiberglass molds for a while. We did lots if high boys and low boys for all the "hot rod" guys. This project started because the customer saw one of our older roadsters and wanted to do something simple but way way more modern. (its blown way out of proportions since then obviously) I completely expect to have plenty of guys coming up and tell me "Well its not how I would have done it" but I'm not trying to make those guys happy right now. I'm making Dave, my awesome adrenalin junky of a customer, happy. And I want to challenge my fabrications and design abilities as well. It will be very street able and have more ground clearance than a corvette. I'm sure I'll have a few tickets in this car before I deliver it to Dave so he can get some of his own.


This thing is awesome. Personally like the second to last rendition of the cage as far as profile goes, the newest version is too busy looking. However, I know head room is of concern and the first cage needs more bracing

Thanks but Dave and I nixed that design. It just didn't have the evil look that the cage on wheels had in the first one. The last renderings also have a more acceptable brace system acceptable for track certifications which will be important.


The open renderings remind me of an Exocet or an Ariel Atom

My father and I are thinking about building one of these for us with no body based on that same first though. But that'll be another day. If someone wants to make some naked car body panels for the chassis I would love to see them.


What about tight compact fenders that move with the suspension? Something like this:
110532

Its a good idea, we'll see if the budget will allow for it in the long run. More than likely this cars going to be a dirty un polished toy that can take any wheel and tire Dave can slap on it and fenders will restrict that.


I absolutely love this project. An early car is a great version of "how little car can you wrap around a driver" which is always fun. Making it modern and racy is a great, innovative concept.

The only "extra" we're looking at is ABS. Real hardcore racing ABS. But yeah, its tight but worth it.


Thanks again all around! I'll get more photos up of my current progress soon.

Later
-Russell

[rat_rod_russell]

Ok, So this is the last time I’m going to re start this frame design, I promise, maybe……. I sent these photos of the V0.4 frame to Dave (aka the customer) and he, well, probably better to just let you read it.


Thanks for all the updates and the oil pump data. The added headroom is not too big of a push but necessary. In order to get this on a track and race, I will need to pass the safety nazis. Let's get this set-up for track use first and street legal second. This means a lot of of show stuff goes away and clearly marked safety equipment is plain view. It may end up looking like a cross between a midget and baja 1000 cage by the time its done.

The general requirements that I remember are the helmet has to be at least two inches from any contact point. I will be padding the roll bar with standard dense foam. This should be added to the roll bar calculations for final diameter. What spec do you design the roll cage to for track use?

I will need shoulder harness bars. The harness bar use to be 15 degrees less than the harnesses seat entry point. I didn't see this in the frame pictures. I prefer to use a six point mount. Open cockpit = arm restraints. I'll need a point to attach these. The seat should have enough space for a neck brace and helmet support. Just means the seat angle should consider this. Other non-frame stuff - Easy access to kill switch, front and back tow straps to get a ride off the track. Purple K extinguisher will need to be within reach.

So there you have it. It’s going to be a race car that might just be street legal for the hell of it. So any suggestions of racing classes will be awesome so I can start looking at specific rules so he can hopefully have some wheel to wheel fun in some class but I’m pretty sure this car will mostly be a track day / time attack tool more than anything. Dave’s a cool guy but he’s also really really damn busy.

Onto the current design and what’s changed. This is Version 0.4 and so 0.1-0.3 are all scarped for various reasons. The big design change in this one is breaking the frame into a defined top and bottom sections so it can be fabricated in relation to the body. Basically build the bottom half and a good chunk of the top then put the body on the bottom and drop the top half in on top of it and weld the two together. Also remember this was supposed to be a street car with track abilities at this point. Still some fine tuning and I need to take a trip over to use my friends FEA to see where I need to make the fine adjustments and I need to add in a few more bars now for the race version of the chassis.

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Later
-Russell @ Nerd Rods

[monteboy84]

I loooove this project. Have bounced something like this around my head the last couple years after seeing a black Coupe in Europe with a turbo Audi 5 cylinder and AWD that was a similar track beast.

Some constructive criticism: I feel like on the latest rendition, that the cage height takes away from the overall look of the car. It looks like this is due to a very 'upright' seating position that's dictated by the confines of the interior. Being so custom already, could you stretch the body in the center and lay the seat back more in order to lower the 'roof'? That, and incorporating a rear wing with the front splitter/spoiler would be wild, a truly awesome machine.

[monteboy84]

Some inspiration if you've not already seen it: http://www.hotrod.com/cars/featured/hrdp-0905-1932-ford-coupe/

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/04/hrdp_0905_01_z2b1932_ford_coupe2bfront_v-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/04/F132_final_C_05_flat_02-1.jpg

[Tig]

Hubba Hubba, that is insane.

Any updates?

Kinda reminds me of Quadraduece , awesome.
That Volvo powered Swede built 32 is killer.

[rat_rod_russell]

Those are both sweet cars, I've seen them both and the F132 is one of the reasons this project came to mind when we started it. And I would love to build a real AWD 32 like the Swedish build. Have you seen the Double Down Roadster?
http://www.hotrod.com/events/coverage/all-wheel-drive-boss-429-gonzo-1932-ford-roadster-from-fuller-hot-rods-at-sema-2013/
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/05/paragraphimage-1.jpg

So here's the current plan. We're going to start with this. I'm going to order this half of the chassis with my next order of frames after I finalize the rear suspension pickup points and alignment tabs. We don't have a solid racing class but Time Trials with NASA or other Time Attack stuff looks like what the customer wants to do because of his schedule. This will allow us to get the ergonomics dialed in exactly so everyone can be comfortable then dial the cage roof in from there depending on exact rules and classes we discover at that point.

Gallery
http://gallery.nerdrods.com/Customers/Other/0000_Dave_B/Gallery_03/

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This is basically the bottom half that I'll need to get the body on the car. Then we glass the body to the frame and work our way up. Its going to be tight and while looks are very important the ability to drive this car with confidence is even more important.

Later
-Russell

[Tig]

Oh absolutely, that Double Down Roadster is killer.

I like where you're going with this.
Is this frame going to be available like the Tri-5 and 55-59?
Or is it going to be a one-off specifically built for a customer?
Either way, its bad ass.

I love the fact that you can buy your frames in raw kit form. I'm not sure anyone else does that. Your attention to detail is top notch.
Keep up the great work
Lookin forward to more updates

[rat_rod_russell]

Oh absolutely, that Double Down Roadster is killer.

I like where you're going with this.
Is this frame going to be available like the Tri-5 and 55-59?
Or is it going to be a one-off specifically built for a customer?
Either way, its bad ass.

I love the fact that you can buy your frames in raw kit form. I'm not sure anyone else does that. Your attention to detail is top notch.
Keep up the great work
Lookin forward to more updates

I'm not going to make an idiot proof kit like my other frames but if someone wanted one of these and I didn't feel like I was going to loose money in tech support later I would be willing to sell one to another person. Dave would be happy to have someone else to compare notes with. We'll see how it works out.