AFX Spindles (NSFW) car porn......

[TitoJones]

In the great words of the late Rick James:

B*tches-
Show Charlie Murphy your spindles!

https://www.pro-touring.com/~tylerb/AFX.jpg
https://www.pro-touring.com/~tylerb/AFX1.jpg
https://www.pro-touring.com/~tylerb/AFX2.jpg
https://www.pro-touring.com/~tylerb/AFX3.jpg
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Tyler

[Steve1968LS2]

Don't forget.. after SEMA you will be a busy guy.. :)

[TitoJones]

After SEMA? What are you on? We're busy as hell right now!

SEMA is just going to add fuel to the fire.

Tyler

[Steve Chryssos]

Very cool. A lot.

[Steve1968LS2]

After SEMA? What are you on? We're busy as hell right now!

SEMA is just going to add fuel to the fire.

Tyler

Well, you will be busy in a different way.. :)

did ya see your virtual spindle in the Dec Issue?

[TitoJones]

did ya see your virtual spindle in the Dec Issue?

I wish. I am not on the Comp list, even though we are paying advertisers. Is that the issues being distributed @ the SEMA show by chance?

Tyler

[Steve1968LS2]

I wish. I am not on the Comp list, even though we are paying advertisers. Is that the issues being distributed @ the SEMA show by chance?

Tyler

Hell, you should subscribe anyways.. lol.. I will mail you out a December issue on Monday..

And yes.. it is the SEMA issue.. just cause I like ya so much :)

[jeffandre]

Man that is beautiful, I can't wait, may need that same brake package as well! A few quick questions:

What size rotor in pic?

What is measurement from center of spindle pin to furthest edge of caliper (for rim ID clearance)?

Will the AFX spindle make it unnecessary for the Baer bumpsteer setup?

Thanks in advance,

[TitoJones]

Jeff-
We are an AP Racing dealer, if you need that, we will give you the best price you'll find on it.
The rotor is a 14" 2pc full floater, with 1.5" of thickness. Caliper is a staggered bore 6 piston.
I'll have to get you that measurement later, as we shipped the spindles off for the final phase of machine work- The ball joint inserts.
We make the inserts out of 7075 T6 aluminum (which is harder than the 6061 T6 aluminum they are forged from) so that any wear will be absorbed by the replaceable inserts, and not the spindle itself.
When we get the spindle back, I'll mock up that brake package again, and get you that measurement.
In the mean time, you can go to www.brakepros.com and get the fitment sheet for a C5 Corvette, and be spot on for the measurement.
Tyler

[USAZR1]

Tyler,will those spindles work on both F & A body cars? If not,what is the timetable for your A-body units?
BTW,those things look absolutely killer!

[ProStreet R/T]

Hey now, if that steering piece wasn't in the way you could run a half-shaft right through there... HMMMMM

That looks like a C5 hub, call me crazy but don't the front and rear C5 hubs interchange... aka the rear drive hub could be mounted on the front of that for an awd setup?

If so you have NO idea how impeccable the timing of this post is.

[TitoJones]

Clint-
These are the AFX spindles. for A, F and X body cars. They are all the same.

Pro-Street R/T-
Yeah, the F/R bearing packs interchange. We have suggested someone try an AWD conversion using our spindles.

Tyler

[4MuscleMachines]

Do those spindles and C5 brakes change the oem track width? I am sure many owners would like to do your upgrade but stick with their current aftermarket wheels.

[TitoJones]

Track width is not effected with this spindle, unless you had a front drum car, and then it will be a 1/4" wider.

Tyler

[jeffandre]

Jeff-
We are an AP Racing dealer, if you need that, we will give you the best price you'll find on it.
The rotor is a 14" 2pc full floater, with 1.5" of thickness. Caliper is a staggered bore 6 piston.
I'll have to get you that measurement later, as we shipped the spindles off for the final phase of machine work- The ball joint inserts.
We make the inserts out of 7075 T6 aluminum (which is harder than the 6061 T6 aluminum they are forged from) so that any wear will be absorbed by the replaceable inserts, and not the spindle itself.
When we get the spindle back, I'll mock up that brake package again, and get you that measurement.
In the mean time, you can go to www.brakepros.com and get the fitment sheet for a C5 Corvette, and be spot on for the measurement.
Tyler

Tyler,
Don't sweat the measurements, I have time for that. I will check brakepros' site for now. Thanks,

[EFI69Cam]

:drool: :drool:

Next on the list, once my 540/T56 combo is installed and running, I will be contacting you all.

[Noel67]

Touring Classics will be offering C5 and C6 brake kits for the "AFX" spindle. Kits will be available with or without the spindle/hub. We are also an AP Racing dealer and will have 14 inch 6 pistons set ups as well.

Tyler,
Very nice work.

Noel
www.touring-classics.com

[FastFirstGen]

masterpiece....work of art!!

[MoeBawlz]

wow... any chance you could raffle off a set.. and i could somehow win?

[Jasper Jones]

Brakes meant for a '69 Camaro spindle will not mount on the AFX spindle, correct? I also noticed on your site that the standard height spindle can be used with the DSE coil over kit, does this mean the taller spindle can not be used with that kit? Thanks.

[TitoJones]

wow... any chance you could raffle off a set.. and i could somehow win?
We are doing exactly that at the SEMA PT.com dinner. I can only rig the raffle for a heafty bribe, which happens to be very close in price to a set of new AFX spindles.


Brakes meant for a '69 Camaro spindle will not mount on the AFX spindle, correct? I also noticed on your site that the standard height spindle can be used with the DSE coil over kit, does this mean the taller spindle can not be used with that kit? Thanks.

Stock brakes will not bolt up to the AFX spindle. We are working with Baer to allow the fitment of previously purchased brake kits to bolt up with a new bracket. The stock height spindle is recommended for the DSE coil over kit, but the tall one can be used with very good results. It has a camber curve that is more agressive than most will need, and may wear the inner tires slightly faster than the centers.
Should be outstanding on a road course though.

We will be contacting those of you on the pre-order list the moment they are boxed up awaiting FedEx labels. The wait is almost over....

Tyler

[Jasper Jones]

Well they sound very awesome, but damn, I just bought a set of Wilwood brakes meant for the factory spindle :pat: Thanks for the information.
-Jason

[elefantrider]

nice product. how tall are your spindles in inches?

[elefantrider]

what's the price?

[TitoJones]

nice product. how tall are your spindles in inches?

what's the price?

See these threads for all the answers:
https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6650&highlight=AFX

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7951&highlight=AFX

Tyler

[Steve68]

I think I will hold off on ordering the adapter for the C5 conversion to stock spindles, After SEMA when will they be available, I'll save my money, I need a set of headers too hahahahaha, spindles, LS1, headers, I see the light.....


I never saw that other post, Thanks Tyler,

[yody]

So whats the difference between these and teh SED spindles that mark stielow built that these are based off of? Was his design good enough, or did it need improvements?

[TitoJones]

So whats the difference between these and the SED spindles that mark stielow built that these are based off of? Was his design good enough, or did it need improvements?

It will be easier to give you what is still the same between the old SED spindle and our AFX spindle.

The only thing that is the same is the overall height of the spindles.

Other than that, everything is different.
The SED spindles are hand frabricated from laser cut steel, TIG welded, used a C4 Corvette bearing and brake bracket, have a welded on steering arm, and are then heat treated.

The AFX spindle is forged from 6061 T6 aluminum, uses a C5 corvette bearing and brake assembly, has a bolt on steering arm with revised geometry, and then uses a set of 7075 T6 hardned aluminum ball joint inserts.
The inserts are a cool addition to our spindle because they serve 2 functions. The first is to absorb the wear and fatigue that are inherent on a normal aluminum spindle. C5 Corvttes suffer from the issue of not having hardened inserts, and therefore wear out in the ball joint area over time. The inserts we have are replaceable, and will not wear out the actual spindle.
The second function of the inserts are the option to custom tailor the taper to any thing or application we'd like. If you have an A body with a B body set of ball joints, we can press a set of inserts in that will bolt right up.
The SED and AFX spindles are very different. We used the SED spindle as an inspriation to make the AFX spindle, and I think it surpases the original in every aspect.

Tyler

[Bowtie racing]

Congratulations Teetoe!! What an nice spindle!!!!!!

[David Pozzi]

Tyler,
I was a bit concerned about the insert, doesn't boring the larger hole to accomodate the insert weaken the spindle?

[Bill Howell]

My Malibu is still patiently waiting for a set Tyler...........call me when........you know.........thanks........ :twothumbs

[Damn True]

I dunno what I did with my notes Tyler. What are the bumpsteer characteristics and camber gain numbers?

[Steve1968LS2]

I'm sure Tyler is busy at work on his spindle story for PHR.. Right Tyler??? lol

[baz67]

I dunno what I did with my notes Tyler. What are the bumpsteer characteristics and camber gain numbers?

Bumpsteer was improved with the lowing of the steering arm mount on the spindle. I cannot remember how much Shane lowered it, but bumpsteer was reduced. The stock height spindle will act just like a stock spindle in camber gain. I know that is obvious, but someone may have asked. While not giving out specifics on the taller spindle, it acts very simular to the Guldstrand mod pertaining to camber. I will let Tyler or Shane get more specific on the numbers if they want.

[PT Dave]

Tyler,
what do you recommend for Steering Arms ?

Dave

[baz67]

Use your stock arms for a F-body.

[PT Dave]

Any Race Car Steering Arms being used with these spindles ?

[Samckitt]

What are these made to fit?

Thanks,
Scot

[BRIAN]

Kind of like waiting for thr "Great Pumpkin" You guy have been talking about the release for months? Where are the spindles???


Do they need any specific or adjustable upper arm? The adjustable Pole Position did away with the tons of shims needed?

[Kenova]

Kind of like waiting for thr "Great Pumpkin" You guy have been talking about the release for months? Where are the spindles???


Do they need any specific or adjustable upper arm? The adjustable Pole Position did away with the tons of shims needed?
I seem to remember someone (honestly can't remember who) said the first production run was sold out or spoken for. ATS is now waiting for another batch to be built. If you want 'em, better call 'em (ATS)
Ken

[Flyboy]

I seem to remember someone (honestly can't remember who) said the first production run was sold out or spoken for. ATS is now waiting for another batch to be built. If you want 'em, better call 'em (ATS)
Ken

You are correct. I'm on the waiting list myself. I'm hoping i'll get to see a set some time before the turn of the century. :fingersx: :lmao: I'm actually really starting to need them as work on my front subframe is being completed as we speak.

[Marcus SC&C]

Last time I talked to the crew at ATS things were coming along pretty well. I wouldn`t think it would be toooo much longer.
We`ve been doing some testing with our adj. arms and they work really well with the AFX spindles. The nice thing is their modular so we can optimize the arms to work perfectly with the spindles and allow max. adjustability and best overall geometry. Mark SC&C

[olds87]

When the G-body spindles are coming out?

[Marcus SC&C]

Those guys have a lot on their plate right now,it may be a little while before they can get the G body package in production. Mark SC&C

[olds87]

Thanks

[Ripster]

I guess the price is being kept top secret. I see no mention of it here and none on the website. The other question is there any clearance issues with the UCA with an 18" wheel?

Thanks
Ripster

[MrQuick]

did you try calling Rip? I have $625 a pair for F/X body.

[PT Dave]

Boy...just can't wait to see the package on the front doorstep.
Hopefully, any day now !

[Flyboy]

did you try calling Rip? I have $625 a pair for F/X body.

I also remember seeing $625/pair in a previous thread. It's there... you just have to do a good search.

[itsals1]

Tyler,just wondering if these would work with WD C5 sub? If so whats the advantage over stock C5? Travis

[MrQuick]

will not work for C5 converted frames...this is a replacement for a stock configured spindle...I believe wayne now offers a frame that uses stock based components. Try to contact him at www.waynedue.com

[PT Dave]

Oooh Boy...
Less than one week !! :yum:

[wickedmotorhead]

That is correct sir! We have finalized the production design and sent out our first production batch of AFX spindles. We have completely sold out of the tall version and still have a few stock height versions available. We are still taking names for pre-orders on the next batch which will be available in late March. That list is filling up quickly as well.

If you are interested in the stock height version for those that have already done the gulstrand mod or the DSE coilover kit or just want to replace that ugly OEM spindle and tiny bearing, give us a call to get your hands on the few that are still availabe. They are $625/pair with brand new C5 bearing packs. We recieved shipment of the machined forgings this Thursday and me and Tyler stayed up all night assembling, serial numbering, and packaging them to get them out on Friday. Customers will be recieving the first production parts next week.

Here they are, some of the first machined batch of AFX spindles....
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Brand new C5 Corvette hubs anxiously waiting to be mated with the spindles...
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Some of the now sold out assembled Tall AFX spindles...
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Finally one of the few sets of stock height AFX spindles availabe (new steering arm hardware not shown)...
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We spent a lot of time on these to ensure a high quality product and we are very excited to see everyone's reaction upon delivery! We would like to thank everyone who's been waiting for their patience.

Shane

[Damn True]

$625 for stock height.

Same for tall version?

[OHCbird]

Shane-

Count me in for a set of stock-height, C5 caliper, C4 style-rotor version if they get done in the next batch. That's the only thing that's prevented me from buying a set...

[wickedmotorhead]

Yep currently an introductory price of $625 for the tall version as well.

OHCBird,

A C4 rotor is and will not ever be an option due to the large offset of the rotor it will interfere with the spindle. A C4 caliper with a C5 rotor may be an option with an adapter in the future but we are still working on other products at the moment. Regardless its hard to beat a complete C5 setup with master cylinder and everything you need from Touring Classics for $650. Plus if you already have the C5 calipers, C5 replacement rotors are cheap.

Shane

[ProTouring442]

How about the Tall A-Body for those who have already done the B-body swap? Any word on those? Is it too early to pre-order them?

[Rick Dorion]

After the introductory price is over, what's the normal pricing going to be?

[1970cuda]

for you guy that haven't been to tyler's shop that picture of bearing pacs is actually a pallet of them 4 feet high. i bet they have more pacs than any one else in the states. scary the money they have rolled up in the release on these spindles. great job guys

[EFI69Cam]

for you guy that haven't been to tyler's shop that picture of bearing pacs is actually a pallet of them 4 feet high. i bet they have more pacs than any one else in the states. scary the money they have rolled up in the release on these spindles. great job guys


I hope thing work out for these guys. I think its awesome that they are killing huge companies with great products. Who in their right mind would by a welded steel or forged drop spindle when these are available?

[wickedmotorhead]

You can definitely pre-order the A and G Body spindles. We hope to have them available by the end of March or shortly there after as well. Don't worry about the introductory price we will take care of all those anxiously waiting right now and until we get caught up. We will let everyone know before we would increase the price (which if we do will be very marginal). We greatly appreciate all your kind comments.

Shane

[hectore3]

The question now is should I still go with Global West UCA and LCA. Or get these ATS spindles and keep my stock arms.

[BRIAN]

Spindle assy comes with: spindle, bearings, and steering arms? I will call but if you see this before hand I am unsure as I looked on your site and did not see arms but above someone noted something about arms.

Doesn't alter hub to hub width?

[wickedmotorhead]

Going to Global West control arms is pretty much up to your preference. The main thing that you will achieve is added caster or you could wait for our adjustable cross shafts for stock arms and run global west del-a-lum bushing in your stock arms with the same benefit. The tubular arms are nice and are recomended if upgrading to the QA1 style coilovers. We are a Global West dealer so feel free to give us a call and we can layout all your options.

The F/X Body (Camaro/Firebirds/Novas..etc.) AFX spindles use the factory steer arm (not included). The A/G Bodies will have a specific steer arm since the original bumpsteer was corrected for the rear steer F/X Body platform which in turn is not correct for the A/G Body platform. There is a lot of information on this if you do a search as well.

The F/X Body AFX Spindles come with brand new C5 sealed bearing/hub assembly with integrated speed sensors (for say possible abs or traction control in the future) installed, speed sensor brackets, new high grade steer arm bolts, washers, and aerospace spec'd flex-loc nuts. They do in fact maintain factory hub to hub spacing.

The A/G Body AFX Spindles will come with all the same as above and specific steering arms for optimal bumpsteer characteristics. These (like the infamous B-Body spindle swap) will require a shorter upper control arm to prevent bind in the upper ball joint. We will be dealers for control arms from Global West or SC&C's SPC arms that will work very well. Once again call us if you would like more specific guidance in making any decisions.

Shane

Shane

[BRIAN]

ordered mine. Will post review when received. So far pleased with order.

[OHCbird]

Shane-

I already have the TC hybrid kit; I had to go with that due to clearance issues with my Billet Specialties Rebel wheels. Trust me- I would have rather gone with the wider rotor, but what to do?

I'd switch to the C5 rotors in a heartbeat IF they would fit behind my wheels. Hmmm- thinking of a solution... I'd really love to run these.

[hectore3]

Yes I was going to run the Touring Classics hybrid kit also. Until I heard about the AFX spindle. I hope the template clears my wheels.

[29od1]

Does anyone know if the AFX spindles work with a Martz front end? And would anything be gained in suspension geometry by adding them?