Has anyone used CPP (Classic Performance Products) brakes? Feedback?

[Johnnybravo59]

I am looking at a protouring kit from CPP and it includes their big brake kit. I was wondering if anyone had experience with this brand and didn't see anything come up when I searched the forum for it. Thanks!

[Red67Mustang]

I'm using a CPP power steering box for my Mustang and have had no issues with it. So far I'm quite happy with it. (Installed last summer)

[Yelcamino]

I have CPP brakes on my C10. I haven't autox'd it (yet) but so far driving around town the brakes work great!

[Hydratech®]

Of course they work great!

With all due respect for the discussion, what you need to know about Herb's installation in his '63 C10 is that his brakes are being supercharged by a Hydratech hydraulic brake assist system 3038 with the MC8111 Vette MC:

http://www.hydratechbraking.com/GM_67-72_CK.html

http://www.hydratechbraking.com/mastercylinders.html#TXTOBJ7DE16121528171AA1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IMJ1LJK/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A20XJL9F8405UR

We receive calls daily from people that have installed the CPP "big brake package" (and various other popular "Big Brake Kits") complaining that their vehicle still does not stop well after installation, finding that they are not achieving appropriate line pressures to the brakes at the wheels to actuate them appropriately, so I feel it important to you know the further details.

EVERYTHING has to work in concert together. Somewhat like installing a (name your brand) performance crate engine into your muscle car for example, in that you better have a good free flowing exhaust system, a proper fuel supply system, a fantastic cooling system, 2200 or higher stall torque convertor, and at very least a decent 3.08 or better gear in the rear end. If not, your expensive whip zip dangle crate engine isn't going to thrill you to even near its full potential in an of itself installed in place of your previous engine... The same applies to the braking systems.

If you plan on looking at this CPP "big brake package" to run in manual brake mode, you will need to be at a 6:1 or better mechanical pedal ratio and run a small 7/8" bore MC. Vacuum assist power brake mode should still be at about a 6:1 mechanical pedal ratio, though MC bore size can be a bit larger at 15/16" to a maximum of 1" MC bore size (providing a full size vacuum booster with good 15" or better vacuum available).

There IS a difference - Thank you for choosing Hydratech!

:6gears:

[Tom Welch]

do yourself a favor and call Kore3.

[Yelcamino]

Of course they work great!

With all due respect for the discussion, what you need to know about Herb's installation in his '63 C10 is that his brakes are being supercharged by a Hydratech hydraulic brake assist system 3038 with the MC8111 Vette MC:



My bad Paul! Yes I have a Hydratech system on the C10!

Regarding my CPP setup... The front rotors are 13" and the calipers are the same as a Tahoe. They look like C5/C6 calipers but are larger along with larger pads. The only downside is the calipers are cast iron but since my C10 is primarily for cruising and daily use, the added weight isn't an issue.

[Bonehead]

Reminds me of a poster advertisement decades ago for Bell bicycle helmets. If you have a $25 head, then wear a $25 helmet (or something to that effect). I'm guessing it was a shot at the cheap, copied, chinese knock offs.

I run Baer because I don't have a $25 car.

[Rod]

I guess I have a 25 dollar car.....I use CPP front brakes (with baer pads) and the right stuff Detailing rear brakes with (EBC rear pads) inline tube stainless brake lines, goodridge brake hoses, a stock style 11" booster and a "309" corvette master..... and I finished 39th (of 95) at OUSCI in the speed stop (https://www.optimabatteries.com/en-us/experience/power-source/2014-wilwood-speed-stop-challenge-results/) pretty good brakes so far....1 set of rotors for the season, 2 sets of pads, and 3 sets of tires.....I think if you set up your brakes as a complete design, master size, line size, pad frictions, piston sizes, booster pressures and so on you can make a very good system...

this season the car has raced 2014

Goodguys Peasanton California
Goodguys Del Mar California
Optima Event Laguna Seca
Goodguys Nashville Tennessee
Goodguys Indianapolis Indiana
Holley LS fest in Bowling Green Kentucky
Motorstate Challenge
Optima Event Gateway Motorsports Park
Optima Event Michigan International Raceway
Optima (OUSCI) at Las Vegas Motor Speedway
Goodguys Scottsdale Arizona -Duel in the Desert

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[79-TA]

The CPP brake kits are robust. They usually use GM (or sometimes Ford) caliper designs with well-thought out axial mount laser cut steel bracketry to adapt them. They're an effective way to make the switch to disc brakes or just scale up the rotor diameter.

With factory caliper designs, CPP avoids the liability of poorly designed and underdeveloped aftermarket calipers. (How much FMVSS testing do you think the typical aftermarket caliper receives?) The brakes pads that come with the kit do not have an aggressive compound. Pads are easily available for these calipers, but might not be available in racing compounds. As mentioned before, cast iron comes with a weight penalty, but it is also stiffer than aluminum of the same shape.

The only design issue I'd note is that because the same calipers are used for several applications, the orientation of the bleed screws will not always be ideal. This is common and accepted in the aftermarket. Even Brembo won't make difficult changes to a commonly-used caliper to accommodate a new aftermarket application's clocked position.

CPP usually supplies straight vane one piece rotors to avoid the risk of a customer installing a rotor backwards while also letting the customer choose the direction of the optional slots and drilled holes.

[Johnnybravo59]

Well, that's pretty convincing that they're not that bad... Too bad their customer service is terrible, I really wanted to order brakes today

[sanman]

GREAT budget kit. I have the stage 4 on my Camaro. I am very happy with no complaints. Just don't expect to much in the way of Customer Service!!!