1984 Pontiac Grand Prix T-top PRO-TOURING $157,000 invested, going for $25k

[454muscle]

Time to let her go, life dictates

A walk-around video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee4jSFLjjWA&list=PL1958BEBD0ADB7B56



Over $157,000 invested in the car in total, $60,000+ in parts alone, can be verfied.


Looking for a small faction of that, make offers if interested.


SOME parts value added to this ride:


700 HP Edelbrock crate engine, $17,000 (just broken in, runs smooth as glass, mint)
TCI 4L80E built crate 4-speed transmission with manual valve body, over $3500
Currie crate rear end with detroit Locker gears, $3000+
Disk brakes all around of course
Ride Tech air ride with Dakota Digital controller in custom dash, over $11,500 USD
Autometer Cobalt gauges (10 of them), over $2,500
Black leather heated power bucket seats from a 2007 Chevy SSR, $1000/each.


Those are just the big ticket items, all are mint and installed in the car. Other features, custom body kit, custom hood, custom dash, custom center console (fiberglass with stainless steel cupholders), fully reapholstered interior with black vinyl, Vintage Air air condition system with Dakota Digital controller, Heater with Dakota digital controller, etc etc...

It's on eBay, if you can please spread the word...


Ebay Auction (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/201242273792?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649)

Ideas, suggestions, and offers are welcome...

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

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[qnitro]

Best comment EVER


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[woodside783]

hahahahahahahahaha

[BPDRacing]

11,500 bucks worth of suspension riding on 150 bucks worth of tires?

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

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[sheck44]

Lmfao ... Wow !!

[L8869]

You just can't make this stuff up.

[H2Ogbodies]

Whew...IMO if you want any kind of coin out of a Gbody, it better at least look more menacing like this white one....don't know who's GN this is, but its a nice example of what looks respectable.

[john31s]

I guess I'll make the first offer, $5.

[H2Ogbodies]

I'll donate a Freightliner grill emblem if it'll sweeten the deal for anyone.

[regal454]

Wow, how cool is it to pile on the new guy who has different taste in cars than you do? The fact that the mods let it happen is what's going to keep this site from growing and attracting new members to PT.com and the PT scene.
Grow up.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

its those opinions that discourage fugly modifications like that, devalue his quote 157K investment, and gives him a reality check that if he knew those POLARIZING mods will not yield him the 25K cash he wants..


until then.. hes in a fantasy..

with these opinions help him come back to reality.. that car could use an overhaul and it will get him more cash..



and really.. if those comments hurt him he wouldnt even have modded that that way.. hes fine im sure.

[regal454]

Maybe the car does need an overhaul or is dated, or not your taste, but remember the market will set the value through supply and demand.

Amir: My point is that there are more constructive ways to express your opinions or criticisms. Just as you wouldn't want someone ripping up your street art or street fighter style, new members are due the same respect. Let's treat others as we would want to be treated. Why not be an ambassador to our little niche of the hotrod world to welcome new folks in and grow it instead of acting like an a$$hole?

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

"Are you a wizard"


did I cut too deep with that to you huh?.. lol.


Well the difference is Marc is that I actually have no problem with whatever someone says about my builds, crew, lil niche group, art, whatever.. that isnt something that bothers me at all.. and if you understand how we are you probably would know we actually encourage this type of behavior.. lol.


I made peace YEARS ago that not everyone will like me or my viewpoints.. some of them are crass.. some of them are class.. but I speak my mind and about 80% of the time is in a joking fashion not meant to hurt.. but my point is that if what I said above "hurt" him... then he must be quite weak skinned and might die in a pillow fight.... LOL.

And Im not looking to be an ambassador for pt... that is best for more classy knowledgable guys/gals like Mark Steilow, Ron sutton, kyle and stacey tucker, the Pozzis.. etc.


Im a little different.. not the best influence.. lol.


heres what it boils down to to 454muscle good luck on your sale.. Ill say a small prayer for you to get that 25K.. and know im just playin around.

and Marc.. I appreciate your voice of reason.. note taken.

[Drewstang]

Is there an exchange rate we missed maybe?

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Is there an exchange rate we missed maybe?



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[H2Ogbodies]

Well here's the issue. Guy is trying to sell his heavily modified GP for 25K at an invested loss of approx. 100K so....this begs the question, since the seller wants ideas, here is mine. First let's agree that to build a car to look like that, its obvious the seller built it to his own tastes (nothing really wrong with that....agreed) and not to resale for a profit (as evidenced by it not selling on EBay...with 4 hours left it was only up to $4600).

Now, my opinion (everybody has one) is that while its extremely hard to even break even on a complete custom build let alone make a sizeable profit-its even harder when an odd car (even among the Gbody crowd) is built and harder still when Lauren Engineering-esque type fiberglass exaggerated body flares are used among other various cladding additions that, taken as a whole tend to muddy up the overall appearance. Sorry he has 125K wrapped up in it....the loss wouldn't be as bad if it was a 69 Camaro but even then it has to be a decent effort build-not a JC Whitney looking Frankencar.
Personally yes I don't care for it-to graft fiberglass panels on a car like that reminds me of the bold school pics of my father in laws 68 Z28 in which he cut the rear wheel wells up to add some fiberglass flares thinking it was cool. Was it cool when he was 20? I guess. Then 30 years later he realizes how stupid it was to do that....after having the whole car restored and having to buy NOS rear quarters for a rust free Z just because he hacked up the rear panels.

So when we make jokes about these kinds of mods, its because hindsight is 20/20 and yes sarcasm is based on experience sometimes so that hopefully other's DON'T do these types of mods. If you want to turn a build for a profit, there are simply some unwritten rules that one must keep in mind. He won't make any money on that GP to justify selling it so he will just have to enjoy his creation.

[Build-It-Break-It]

Everyone does have an "opinion" but to flat out make fun of him/his taste is a little childish. A private message could of been sent to him with "opinions".

[Mr Nick]

Assuming the work done was of high standards, that car could be easily saved and a great value... IF the initial selling price makes sense. IMO $25k is not a sensible price.

If the selling price were under $10k, one could re-do the body to their own taste, possibly the dash, swap wheels/tires... and have a car with an EFI big block, air suspension, overdrive, nice stereo etc... for $20k or so.

As an Oldsmobile guy, I understand my Cutlass will never be worth what a Chevelle with the same mods would be worth. But if I sold it, I'd get another Olds most likely, so it would be a wash, give or take.

[pro67coupe]

Everyone does have an "opinion" but to flat out make fun of him/his taste is a little childish. A private message could of been sent to him with "opinions".

Thats not the point of a forum. You start a thread and its open for everyone to weigh in on. Be It negative or positive feedback thats the purpose of a "forum" people shouldnt be so thin skinned

[SS PUNISHER]

Well then...

[andrewb70]

We've had our fun, now enough from the peanut gallery. OK?

Andrew

[454muscle]

Quite the bit of ignorant replies... to tell you the truth, I didn't expect anything less here. Yes, I'm fine. No, I'm not looking for a profit (seriously?), I posted here to hopefully gain a little exposure.

My build is not the only one that is different/custom/unliked. There's tons of mod/ideas.. heavily stanced euro/tuners (stancenation.com), or donks, etc.. for example.

If it's a one-off custom, by all means, give your educated, highly acclaimed, widely reputable and irrefutable opinion, because that's all it is. You don't like my ugly car, I don't like your ugly soul, can't change it....... let's move on.

[Chevy Guy]

its obvious the seller built it to his own tastes (nothing really wrong with that....agreed) and not to resale for a profit (as evidenced by it not selling on EBay...with 4 hours left it was only up to $4600).




Not to pile on, but the car is posted on several auto websites as "WTF" threads and people are laughing about it. I think all of those EBAY bids were joke bids from one of the threads that linked back to this for sale thread.

[Fuelie Nova]

engine pics?
Tom

[H2Ogbodies]

From my point of view, the term pro-touring generally accepts the standpoint of function before form. So, I would like to know what is the function of the body cladding and attempting to mold fiberglass to steel bumpers which will only crack apart? Along the same lines, why an air-ride suspension while at the same time be limited to a 15" wheel/tire?

Maybe I missed it but is there a full rollcage? What is the aerodynamic benefit of that rear wing? What it pull on a skidpad? Do you have any 1/8 or 1/4 time slips? Without being cynical, I'm asking these questions so you can tell me about it's "pro-touring" characteristics. A pro-touring Gbody can be built for a lot less to perform much better than your GP at least on the surface-so let's see some numbers and additional pics! To me the term pro-touring is too loosely used so I'd like to be proven wrong here.

[Build-It-Break-It]

Thats not the point of a forum. You start a thread and its open for everyone to weigh in on. Be It negative or positive feedback thats the purpose of a "forum" people shouldnt be so thin skinned


Geez let's move on people. This is a " for sale" section not an opinion section on someone's car section. He listed his car "for sale" not for comments and opinions. If no one is interested including myself we should all move on.

Glws

[Drewstang]

If it was a GP body like the GN that H20 posted, I wouldn't say anything about it. But this looks very outdated no matter how much he's asking. I've bought and sold classic cars for years and honestly he'd be better off to part it out. As a package, he's looking at $15-18k USD tops.

[fastlane]

I think everyone that is bashing this car, should post a detailed pic of there junk and let everyone give there opinion.

[Drewstang]

I think you've wound up with some of my junk before, maybe a SSP Mustang? lol

[mikewoods]

I think everyone that is bashing this car, should post a detailed pic of there junk and let everyone give there opinion.

I think that this is the internet, and exactly what you're describing happens everyday.