Electric drive accessories?

[captainofiron]

I know there are electric water pumps out there. Also if I remember right my Hyundai Veloster has an electric power steering pump.

SO is anyone out there running electric motors driving their accessories?

Im curious how much effort it would take to electrically drive a power steering pump and or an AC compressor

I figure you can retrofit an electric water pump motor if something like this doesnt already exist

[TheJDMan]

I recently saw an electric rack and pinion that I'm reasonably certian someone will incorporate into their build very soon.

[rickpaw]

I read somewhere that the later Toyota MR2 electric steering pump can be made to work with older cars.

Not sure I want to use electric water pump on a street car though. Don't know if the pump can hold up in a street environment. My understanding is that they were developed for drag racing and therefore not durable enough for street use. I could be wrong though.

[captainofiron]

I read somewhere that the later Toyota MR2 electric steering pump can be made to work with older cars.

Not sure I want to use electric water pump on a street car though. Don't know if the pump can hold up in a street environment. My understanding is that they were developed for drag racing and therefore not durable enough for street use. I could be wrong though.

yea I wouldnt get an electric water pump either, but I think for A/C compressor or PS pump it would be a good option

[Richard454]

I'm in the process of running an electric AC compressor. Used to cool 18 wheeler cabs thanks to "no idle" regulations popping up- Made by "Cool-It" out of Canada.

Pulls 37A full tilt- will incorporate it w/ a Vintage Air System.

Ran out of room on the front of my engine.

Richard

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[captainofiron]

I'm in the process of running an electric AC compressor. Used to cool 18 wheeler cabs thanks to "no idle" regulations popping up- Made by "Cool-It" out of Canada.

Pulls 37A full tilt- will incorporate it w/ a Vintage Air System.

Ran out of room on the front of my engine.

Richard

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THATS WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT!

that looks sweet

I like the idea also of tucking the AC compressor off to the side, and not having to be mounted to the engine

[Richard454]

THANKS!

Just mock-up, but I'm going to put it tucked up under the fender-like I did w/ my dry sump tank.

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[aggie91]

There are companies that make electrical water pumps for the street. Here is one for LS Engines from Meziere:
http://www.kartek.com/Product/3161/GM-LS-Series-Street-Electric-Water-Pump.aspx
One for SBC from Meziere:
http://www.jegs.com/i/Meziere/680/WP301U/10002/-1

How about one for Pontiacs: "Heavy Duty-For for Continuous Street Use - Heavy Duty Black Meziere Electric Water Pump For 1969 and Up Engines. Bolts directly in place of stock pumps."
http://www.jbp-pontiac.com/products/water_pumps/water_pumps.html

Here is one for the ford guys: •2003-2004 Mustang COBRA •Fits All 4.6L,5.4L,6.8L Modular Engines
http://www.rpmoutlet.com/03cobrasteel4.htm


I realy dig the idea of the electric AC Compressor. I have even seen electric power brake boosters. There are many cars made today with electric power steering pumps.

[captainofiron]

There are companies that make electrical water pumps for the street. Here is one for LS Engines from Meziere:
http://www.kartek.com/Product/3161/GM-LS-Series-Street-Electric-Water-Pump.aspx
One for SBC from Meziere:
http://www.jegs.com/i/Meziere/680/WP301U/10002/-1

How about one for Pontiacs: "Heavy Duty-For for Continuous Street Use - Heavy Duty Black Meziere Electric Water Pump For 1969 and Up Engines. Bolts directly in place of stock pumps."
http://www.jbp-pontiac.com/products/water_pumps/water_pumps.html

Here is one for the ford guys: •2003-2004 Mustang COBRA •Fits All 4.6L,5.4L,6.8L Modular Engines
http://www.rpmoutlet.com/03cobrasteel4.htm


I realy dig the idea of the electric AC Compressor. I have even seen electric power brake boosters. There are many cars made today with electric power steering pumps.

WOW, they sure are proud of those Electric water pumps

[J-440]

Meziere electric water pumps have come a long way and are perfect for street and road racing use. I also have heard of electric air conditioning. James Hetfield (Metallica's lead singer) had a street rod built not to long ago that had the entire unit in the back seat area. It was from an electric car, but they would'nt say the name. It was all self-contained and a compressor was not used on the engine. What's the new Chevy Volt use for AC? Or the Tesla?

[Chris 68]

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captainofiron

That is awesome, where did you buy that cool-it system and how much was it if you don't mind me asking? I checked out their website but I could not find any information.

[Nothingface5384]

electra-steer by uni-steer is something to look at
that electric A/C does sound intriguing

the electric MC/brakes are garbage
I thought about an electric w/p, but still a tee bit weary about them longterm wise

btw, all hyundai/kias are running electric steering..
my 2012 rio5 has electric steering

[captainofiron]

Thats not my AC system, but I hope I will have something similar when the car gets further along, haha

[captainofiron]

I will look at that electra steer, especially with some of the header clearance problems us Pontiac guys run into with rack and pinions designed for Camaros with Chevy engines

[LS1-IROC]

I used to be leery of electric water pumps on the street too. I know several guys running them for years now on LS platforms with no issues.

[Elvis T]

WOW, they sure are proud of those Electric water pumps

Wow...I agree. Even BMW doesn't charge that much for their electric water pumps.

[mikedc]

A decent affordable electric AC compressor would probably make a lot of friends in the custom car world. But everything I've read points to the idea being pretty inefficient compared to the engine-spun versions we are used to. The OEMs are starting to do it these days but not because they are happy about it.

AC-ing the cabin with electricity is kind of like heating the cabin with electricity. It's possible. But in both cases it's much more efficient to use the "throwaway" heat & power being made by the engine.

[MonzaRacer]

OK so GM did electric accessories on the semi hybrid GMC, it also has to use 3 batteries and a 48 volt charging system, and the converter/bellhousing is the charging unit/alternator.
I have seen several "electric" ac systems but they are on big vehicles with 200-300 amp alternators, multiple batteries and such. They also generally require special procedures to evac and recharge. I know that the Prius has special oil and we just replaced out old AC service unit with an RTI hybrid compatible unit and we have to flush the dang lines out to service hybrids.
Honestly people you give up using mechanical power from front of engine, supposedly, but then you have to run huge/multiple alternators taking up SAME or more HP than simple working out appropriate bet driven set up.
Yeah, some cars MIGHT be able to use electric assist rack,again you need bigger charging system, possibly 2 or more batteries.
Electric water pump, I can see that as you wouldnt even need a thermostat, just let a controller or ecm control it. but PS AC, nah, not worth hassle or expense.
I watched a guy spend HUGE dollars converting all his acc. on his old car too newer stuff, specialty stuff. His boy and me did make a plate to run type 2 GM ps pump on HIS car over his dads, they had spent thousands of dollars using NEW hvac parts, boy let me clean out evaporator and up date hoses, we added newer GM truck condenser, used newer car fans in place of expensive stuff. We even measured and found a later model style cross flow rad, he got an all aluminum off ebay. I used an S6 (nippon denso based A6 replacement, we modified the bracket in a milling machine to line it up and added serp belt pulleys from JY BBC(he has a 496 BBC).
I was gonna become dealer for those compressors but everyone seems to want NEWER stuff so I dropped plan (the company catered to older trucks, farm tractors, heavy equipment wtc)but we found local company with a "new"S6 for a John Deere tractor conversion.
We swiped several AC line setup from later model cars to swap the parts and see what we could fit(it is a 60 Chevy Bel Air.
If I rememebr correctly we had lines from a Caddy, drier from mid size GM or Cavalier. And we let "new" GM thermal expansion valve control refrigerant flow.
I showed kid how older GM trucks used electromotive actuators, and he figured out what he needed to get each movement, built a surface touch control panel, that sent specific signals too each motor for vent, ac, heat,def.
Kid had about 2 weeks in experimenting and week rebuilding stock underdash box with proper control and and offs and new lever arms. Car works great and he had less in all his "custom stuff" than dad had in just aftermarket HVAC kit. And that kit was NIGHTMARE.
But good luck throwing a lot of cash at "new" stuff. Remember, electrical parts take POWER, so you will need MORE POWER to run said items.