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74PanteraGTS
08-17-2014, 01:38 PM
Hello everyone.
I have been on here for a while, but have never really made any posts. I finally have a story that is post-worthy.

When I was 19 years old (I am 38 now), I was stationed at Davis-Monthan AFB in Tucson, Az. The first major purchase that I made for myself as an adult was a 1972 Chevelle SS 454. A buddy of mine at work saw an ad in the paper that read Big Block Chevelle for sale. "Project" Must sell. I called the number and went to see the car. The Chevelle had been stripped down as the current owner at the time (A very affluent young man) had visions of a drag car. He had the engine built, couldn't ever get it to run right, and the car had been in a small fire. The car was metallic brown with the remnants of a white interior. Yuck. lol. Then I saw it. The W in the VIN. I did a quick look at the numbers and saw that this was indeed a numbers matching car! Engine, trans, rear end, everything matched. It was even an A/C car with a th400 and a console with a horse shoe shifter. He told me the story of why he needed to get rid of the car was because he had taken his college money while his parents were away in Europe for the summer and was trying to build this car instead of paying for school. His parents came back early and told him to get rid of the car or they were cutting him off. Needless to say, he was ready to sell. I asked if he happened to have kept any parts off of the car when he stripped it and he took me to a shed behind the house and opened the door. There was every single part the car had been born with. We agreed on a price of $2,000.00 and I was the proud owner of a 1972 Chevelle SS 454.

The car had broken some teeth off of the distributor; to paraphrase the mechanic that fixed it, it ran like a raped ass ape. The kid had built the engine to the tune of approximately 700hp. It was almost undrivable. I kept breaking things like rocker arm studs every time I drove it so I eventually detuned it, put the original heads back on, smaller cam, etc, and had a nice little driver. Since I knew next to nothing about restoring a car, I took a 6 pack of beer with me to the base garage and bribed the old guys there to help me get the car pointed back in the right direction. I drove the car for two years while working on it as I could afford it and the car was in primer, with different colored body filler dotted here and there over the car. I got so much crap for have a car of many colors, but I loved it. Me and my girlfriend at the time spent a lot of nights doing the body work and sanding, sanding, sanding on that thing. I was sent to Saudi Arabia and since I got paid extra for being in a forward area, I could afford to buy a new interior kit for it and to have her painted once I returned. I have had a lot of memories in that car including all those that said it would never get done. I have rebuilt the top end in a friends carport to his wife's disapproval, driven it from Arizona to Iowa and back again multiple times on 7 cylinders and it never once let me down. The car was always rust free to boot. I drove it for almost 7 years in Tucson. Think about that for a moment. A black, big block Chevelle, with a black vinyl interior, in Arizona, in the summer, with no working A/C. Ahhhh youth. I never did turn on the heat, because the big block put out enough that I was never, ever cold in that thing. lol

Eventually I got transferred around and ended up in Stockton, Ca. I of course brought my beloved Chevelle with me that had taken me 8 years to restore as I just upgraded as time and money allowed. I called Hagerty insurance and told them about my move and they said my insurance would transfer. Shortly after moving to California, I was shown some Stockton, Ca hospitality in the form of my Chevelle being stolen by a neighbor. They put two rods through the oil pan and stripped her where she stopped. Taking the top half of the engine, hood, trunk, the entire interior, radiator and other misc. The hood was up on my 67 convertible Camaro that morning too, but they were not able to get that car going. When the police called me about finding what was left of the car, I almost threw up when I saw her. I called Hagerty insurance up and told them my car had been stolen and stripped and they said they would pay out as soon as I sent them pics of the damage to the garage that it was stolen from. I lived in apartments at the time because I hadn't sold my home in Tucson yet and couldn't afford two homes. Hagerty politely told me that they would not be paying out anything. I actually did throw up after that conversation. The neighbor had stolen my identity and the police arrested him for trying to break into mailboxes. He had a driver's license with his picture but my information on it when he was arrested. They found some of my parts in his apt. I was told I could sue him, but that I was number 12 on the list and that it would cost me more to sue him than I would ever get out of him. Last I heard he was caught red handed during a home invasion and that he was getting his first federal strike put on him. I hope he has a cell mate named Bubba that is hung like a horse and thinks he has a purty mouth...... Karma.

I kept the car at a friend's home for two years and couldn't bear to put the car back together. I reluctantly sold her to my buddy who was going to give the car to his brother as a present. He assured me the car was going to a good home. I had both build sheets for the car, I gave him one and I kept one. His brother thought the car was too far gone and the car got sold to parts unknown. That was just over 10 years ago.

I eventually sold the Camaro, but have beaten myself up over selling that Chevelle for over a decade. My significant other and I have talked for 3 years about trying to find the car. I misplaced the build sheet and we had gone and gotten the paperwork to request the VIN from the DMV for all the cars that I have owned over the years but never got around to sending it in. Early this year, we found out that we would be having our first child. A little girl who will be named Elyse (hey its ok to name your kid after a car so long as you change a letter right?) needed a room of her own so my office got demolished. Low and behold, I found the build sheet I had misplaced years ago. I set it in the living room and continued to paint the nursery. Eycleisha, my fabulous significant other, had been urging me to get a muscle car that the three of us could take to Cruising Grand in the summers. I only have two seat cars so I needed something else. I had been spending a lot of time researching Nova's and had come inches close to buying a gorgeous '74 Nova two weeks ago, but something told me not to.

I'm never on Ebay. Seriously, never. I have been looking at Novas, not Chevelles, so I do not know what possessed me to type 'Chevelle SS' into eBay's search function. When the cars started popping up in the thumbnails, one in particular caught my eye. Just a black Chevelle labeled "project". I literally thought to myself, "That's my Chevelle." I opened the ad and started looking at pictures. The third pic showed Hooker headers that had the bottom scraped up, just like mine. The 5th pic was of yellow ladder bars....just like I had on my car. The 7th pic showed a craptastic fiberglass patch in the trunk under and to the right of the latch...... just like mine had because I couldn't afford to fix it correctly. I pulled out my build sheet and compared the VIN........ HOLY F***BALLS BATMAN! This IS my car! I almost fell off my chair and was in a fog the rest of the night.

I sent the seller an e-mail and waited.......

No reply by the next morning. Hmmmmmmmmm.

Maybe he listed it on Craigslist too? I did a search near where the Ebay ad said the car was located and YAHTZEE there it was! The Craigslist ad had a phone number. I called and left a message. Shortly thereafter I got a phone call back and I chatted with the seller. He had some details about the car to confirm that it was indeed my old Chevelle. He said he would rather it go back to the third owner (ME!!!) than to some random person that wasn't going to treat it well. The car has been sitting in storage for a decade. He had put a new SS dash in it, bought and recovered SS bucket seats, and he had bought a new center console, horse shoe shifter, carpet, headliner, and new door panels. He was asking a bit more than I can really afford right now especially with Elyse on the way, but Eycleisha said that it didn't matter, put it on a credit card, sell something, dip into retirement if we had to, but she told me that I WAS GOING TO BUY THAT CAR. She told me that it doesn't even matter if it sits for years on the side of the house until I can afford to restore her, I'd regret it if I didn't buy her. I may have to keep Eycleisha. I called the seller back and we agreed on a price. I will be wiring money tomorrow and making arrangements to bring my baby home. For the second time, I will rebuild her from nothing. I first bought her at 19 years old. I am buying her the second time 19 years later. As soon as I find the pics from the first time I owned her I will post those along with new ones when she arrives.

I have a few decisions to make. Take the Chevelle full on pro touring, back to stock, or the way I had her in the 90s? I'm leaning more toward how I had her set up when I was in my twenties, except with Air Conditioning. There is just something magical about driving a big block sucking in copious amounts of air through a carb that no fuel injected motor can duplicate. I think I may add a Gear Vendors overdrive unit and keep any mods that I do make bolt on only, just in case I want to put her back to original someday.

My September is going to be an eventful one. I have two babies on the way. Elyse, and my Chevelle. I'm almost overcome with emotion writing this. It's a good day to be me.


Terry

wfo guy
08-17-2014, 01:57 PM
Good story. I hope your child brings great joy to you. Are you planning to restore or update the car?

74PanteraGTS
08-17-2014, 02:17 PM
I think that I will put the original big block back in it, but add a gear vendors overdrive and vintage air. I'll add some sound deadening and a nice stereo and then drive the wheels off of it. I'll probably just keep the suspension stock.

74PanteraGTS
11-01-2015, 09:52 PM
So it is time to begin work on the Chevelle! I have plans to repair the rust in the trunk, replace body bushings, make sure the frame is square and level, and Lizard Skin everything for stage one.

Since I have not ever replaced a trunk pan before, I went and got an estimate from a VERY good shop in town. $5000 not including the $600 trunk pan. Ouch. Of course that was sight unseen to replace the entire pan, but most of the pan I think is salvageable.

It got me to thinking though. Attached is a pic of the bulk of the trunk pan work that is needed. Even on the left side of the pic where it looks like good metal, is actually remnants of a poor fiberglass fix decades ago. My question to everyone is this: Can I neutralize the rust with POR15 or something like that, then lay some appropriate gauge steel over the top of the holes, shape them to fit snugly, weld them in place over the top of the old pan, seal all the seams, and then cover everything with carpet? Seems like that would be a significantly cheaper alternative. 5k for rust repair is a bit steep don't you think? I believe that I could do that type of repair, but to replace the entire trunk pan is beyond my abilities. All of the bracing is in good shape and it's really only the trunk pan that has issues.

I'm open to any and all suggestions. Thanks in advance.

And I am heading to the other two good shops in town to see what their thoughts are as well this week. 119051

MonzaRacer
11-02-2015, 06:49 AM
Well if you can actually migweld or are willing to learn, use a drill and rotabroach you can swap the trunk pan. Just sand along where the braces are, this should show every spot weld, auto center punch and a rotabroach and the spots can be drilled out. When you set the gaps on parts dont set them tight. I like to leave a space loose enough to slide a single edge razor blade in between Then tack it in many places so it doesnt move or warp or buckle. Then weld a little on each side till your done. Practice welding pieces together so the weld is flush or as flush as possible then you use an angle grinder and grind welds flush.

andrewb70
11-02-2015, 08:36 AM
Great story. Looking forward to progress.

Andrew

74PanteraGTS
11-02-2015, 01:29 PM
Thanks Monza- looks like that is exactly what I am going to learn to do. Went to 3 shops today and no one can get to my car until Feb at the earliest. I have a MIG welder, and haven't welded in years, but I'm going to give it a shot.

mikidymac
11-04-2015, 10:17 AM
Great story, sounds like it was meant to be.

$5K for just the trunk! They are on crack. It sounds like they didn't want to do it so they just gave you a crazy price. Seeing how easy it is to get repair panels for yours I would order the pieces and try it yourself as other have said.

instro84
11-04-2015, 07:47 PM
yup do it yourself. when i bout my home they put wood gates to the backyard and i want iron, went and got a quote to have some made that were outrageous went and bout and welder some metal and my son and i made our own.

csouth
11-04-2015, 08:06 PM
5k is really steep... What I did was rented a U-Haul trailer, took a day off and drive the car to a few shops I knew had done classic cars starting with those closest to home. In the end the shop that did my work was the one I thought would be the least affordable. I knew him because he did the body work on my friends '68 Chevelle. Make sure wherever you end up its not just a collision shop, but someone experienced in older cars.

74PanteraGTS
04-02-2018, 07:44 PM
Life happens as it always does and the project got shelved for a while. The stars have finally aligned and I have begun working on the car again. I opted to do the trunk repair myself and ordered a complete, one piece trunk and then cut out and grafted in the parts I needed. Had to completely replace one of the supports and each of the remaining supports needed attention. Everything is welded in, and while not pretty, it is structurally sound. I have personally stood in the trunk and jumped up and down resulting in compressing the suspension, but the trunk did not budge. (I'm a big boy) Good enough for me as the trunk will likely be carpeted in the future anyway. Pics to follow when I have time to grind everything down and make it look nicer.

Now the fun stuff. Its time to start thinking about the drive train and I'm not sure which way I want to go with this. I figured that defining the role for the car and asking advice would help. The car will have an upgraded suspension capable of canyon carving, but will likely never see an autocross course. I want this to be a car that gets driven and that I can take on my regular 6-8 hour drives that I make from San Diego to either Northern California, or Arizona every couple of months. My requirements are: (in no particular order)

1) Docile enough that my wife can drive the car in the rain. Keep in mind that her idea of a "Zippy" car is a Miata. She will not ever put her foot to the floor, so part throttle driveability is key. Good vacuum and idle quality are important too. The car will have AC and an automatic trans with a stock type converter. Has to be capable of being driven in the desert in 110 degrees and not overheat or detonate. I know I'll have to have coolers for everything to accomplish this and I'm ok with that.

2) Mid 500s hp and good torque at the crank. I'd like the car to be capable of low 12's or high 11's in the quarter, and while it may never see a track, it will see plenty of freeway on ramps. Think C6 Z06 type acceleration up to about 120mph. Something fun that can roast the tires at will. I'll be running C5 Z06 wheels with adapters and good rubber.

3) Decent gas mileage. Anything over 15mpg would be totally acceptable, high teens or low 20s on the freeway would be awesome. I have a Pantera in the garage that gets about 8mpg on a good day...downhill....with a tailwind....if I'm nice to it(I'm not)....and rarely gets driven because its a handful! I have a 3.31 Posi 12 bolt in the Chevelle already and am thinking either a 4L60E, 80E, or a Gear Vendors Overdrive connected to the TH400 that I have sitting on the garage floor to help get me the MPG I am looking for depending on the engine choice.

4) Keep it around a 7k budget. This needs to include a new fuel tank, pump, wiring harness, computer/s, trans, etc, etc.

I'm seeing 3 options and would love some thoughts on the pros and cons of each:

A) BBC. I have the original, numbers matching 454 in my garage and it needs a complete rebuild. I'd go a little extra on the budget for this route as this engine will be rebuilt one way or another regardless what goes into the car. Even if it only sits in the corner of the shop and looks pretty forever. Alternatively, I can find a cheap, running 454 and put the top end combo in the link below and make great power on 87 Octane and stay dirt simple. This is where the Gear Vendors OD or 4L80E would come into play. The only real question is what kind of gas mileage can I realistically expect? A low compression BBC would meet all my other requirements and be the simplest path. I just giggle every time I watch the video in the article below when they go get 87 Octane and it makes more power. A replica of that 454 is what I am looking at.

Linky: http://www.hotrod.com/articles/bolt-230-horsepower-454ci-motor-home-big-block/

B) LQ4 with L92 heads, cam, tune, headers, etc, etc and a 4L60E. I think that this would be the most expensive and least docile combination but could absolutely work. I might even consider staying with a carburetor if I go this route just to stay simple.

C) LM7 with a single Turbo and 4L60E. Obviously the most complex combo, but it could be a lot of fun and my wife would have no issues driving it so long as she stayed out of boost. Complexity coupled with the heat generated by the turbo setup might not be the best combo for running through the desert in summer.

That is where I am at with the project and look forward to hearing some opinions on this. I'm hoping to have some more forward progress with the car this year. Thanks in advance for taking the time to read and respond.

bs46488
04-04-2018, 02:54 PM
Great story on the Chevelle.

Given the requirements you want for the drive train I would vote for one of the LS options. The turbo option sounds fun but does make things more complex (and expensive).

The BBC could easily do everything you want but to make that 6-8 hour drive you talk about your going to need a very very large gas tank to make that trip!

Post lots and lots of pics

Yelcamino
04-04-2018, 05:00 PM
Yes, great story on the Chevelle and glad that you were able to get it back! I put a 454 in my C10 and I really like it but if I was to build that truck today, it would have an LS engine.

Rod
04-04-2018, 05:07 PM
Yes, great story on the Chevelle and glad that you were able to get it back! I put a 454 in my C10 and I really like it but if I was to build that truck today, it would have an LS engine.

:cheers:

74PanteraGTS
04-16-2018, 08:18 PM
Time for some updates. After getting the outrageous estimates for the rust repair I decided to dive in and learn how to weld. I took a welding workshop put on by the local JC and that took most of the fear out of welding. I mean, worst case scenario, I grind it all off and start over right? I'm using a small Lincoln MIG welder for all of this.

I decided to start with a small rust patch that was non structural and wouldn't be seen by anyone. Just a spot on the rear package tray that needed some attention. Should have taken a pic before I cut the rust out, but this is what I started with.


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Then I cut an appropriately sized patch panel out of scrap that the local metal shop had lying around. If you look closely around the edges of the patch you can see the copper backing plate held on with magnets behind the patch. Keeps everything nice and level and prevents blowing holes in your metal.

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Ground it flat......

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and put some primer on it.

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Not bad for a first attempt at rust repair unsupervised.

74PanteraGTS
04-16-2018, 08:27 PM
I decided to get a bit more adventurous and take on the rusted out, lower rear window corner on the passenger side. I ended up making the patch in two pieces and welding them together once I got the shape right. I should have saved this for later on because it took forever to get this accomplished!

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74PanteraGTS
04-16-2018, 09:09 PM
I decided it was time to turn my attention to the rust in the trunk.


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It wasn't pretty. I opted to order a full trunk pan from AMD because nothing else had the rear most wall of the trunk included. I figured I could drill out the spot welds from the new pan and scavenge the trunk supports for re-use.

I started cutting out the cancer.....

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The first round of spot welds with me being supervised by my trusty shop dog Delilah. Wish I knew how to rotate this pic...

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All of the trunk supports needed attention. I replaced one of them entirely and sectioned the rest, replacing the rust with the parts from the new trunk.

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Had to weld in a new body mount as this one was completely missing!

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It may not be pretty, but it is structurally sound. I'm a big boy (North of 270lbs) and I climbed into the trunk and jumped up and down. All it did was bounce the suspension. I'll grind everything down later, but I'm not too worried about looks here as the trunk will likely be carpeted.

74PanteraGTS
04-16-2018, 09:25 PM
The rear most section of the body above the bumper was 90% bondo and shattered when I hit it with a hammer. So I cut it all out and ordered the part. The patch in the second pic I had to make from scrap. I'm not too concerned about looks here as it will be covered by the new panel that I ordered.

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Drilled the new panel to make spot welding easier and it went right in. I'm starting to get the hang of this.

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Looks pretty good and fits properly. The passenger side rear quarter panel to bumper gap is HUGE. That quarter was (poorly) replaced sometime in the 80s before I ever got a hold of the car. Since I don't want to replace the quarter panel, I need to figure out a way to get that gap looking a bit tighter. Any suggestions?

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Time to start fixing some of the smaller, very poor repairs such as the ones in the bottom rear of the front fenders. I'll be cutting those out and welding in new patch panels. Not sure how I feel about painting the car myself, so I am considering taking a fender through the entire process of painting just to see how it turns out. Something tells me that it will be like welding, its not that scary once you jump in and do it. Also got told by a body guy at one of the high end shops here in town: "The difference between an amateur paint job and a professional paint job is that the professional will go back and fix his mistakes." Sounds about right.