New Ring Brothers' Mustang...

[DarkBuddha]

Anyone else seen the new Ring Brothers' car? It looks amazing, and knowing their reputation and previous cars, I'm sure it is. I found this pic (and some others) on the vintage-mustang forum:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Anyone got details or other pics?

[Steve1968LS2]

Search for pics from the Columbus Good Guys show.. it made the top-5 for Street Machine of the Year..

Very nice car, has air ride and was the most "pro-touring" looking car at the show. lots of custom billet parts on it.

[Blitz]

Holy Shhhhhhhhhhhh:jawdrop:

[Bigblue73]

I saw this car at GoodGuys in Kansas City. This is a truly amazing car with great attention to detail. I'll look through my photos to see what pictures I have and will post later. The little things in this car get overlooked by the overall execution of the bodywork. I've only see a few black cars with this nice of paint. Kudos to the man who did the paint.

[Travis B]

Very cool car! Saw it at KC it has a lot of really trick pieces on it! Look for coverage of it in Super Rod magizine in the next couple of months!

[Ralph LoGrasso]

That car looks absolutely amazing. Probably my favorite PT stang.

[WILWAXU]

That thing is sweet!

Interested to know if those rear scoops are functional.

[THX 138]

Holy Shhhhhhhhhhhh:jawdrop: X10000000000.........

[Travis B]

That thing is sweet!

Interested to know if those rear scoops are functional.


yes they house a Trans cooler on one side and oil cooler on the other!

[Damn True]

Great looking show car.

[dropit69]

wow very cool..black is so sweet when its new

[Travis B]

Great looking show car.


that show car will probably handle just as well as 75% of the "pro-touring" cars on this site

[vanzuuk1]

That car is awesome.

[Damn True]

that show car will probably handle just as well as 75% of the "pro-touring" cars on this site



That may very well be the case my comment was in no way a slight to the builder or owner of the car. I did say it was a great looking car didn't I?
If someone wants a show car, right on. Enjoy it.

[DarkBuddha]

Here are the rest I nicked from the VMF thread:

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https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif (http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01688small7to.jpg)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif (http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01687small5es.jpg)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif (http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01686small6ba.jpg)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif (http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01684small8hk.jpg)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif (http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01683small5gr.jpg)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif (http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01682small2ba.jpg)

[THX 138]

Here are the rest I nicked from the VMF thread:what size wheels and tires? mustang 2 suspension in front or what?

[DarkBuddha]

what size wheels and tires? mustang 2 suspension in front or what?
I've got no info on the car, just the pics. That's kinda why I started the thread... I wanna know too.

[ViperBlue68]

Im really diggin the exhaust...STEVE u need to do that with "Track Whore"

[Damn True]

Yeah, the whole rear end of that car (a part of 'stangs I usually don't dig) is nicely done. Except for the red "R".......looks like something they swiped off some dudes Acura.

[Blitz]

Yeah, the whole rear end of that car (a part of 'stangs I usually don't dig) is nicely done. Except for the red "R".......looks like something they swiped off some dudes Acura.
Yeah, I deducted two cool points for the use of what looks like the "R" from a Skyline GT-R. Especially on the gas cap and wheel center caps. Other'n that, it's cool shiz. And for some reason the shape of the exhaust isn't quite flowing with the rear for me. But hey, it's All better than the muscle car I have.

[MarkM66]

Great looking show car.

Was there a point to that comment?

[Travis B]

Yeah, I deducted two cool points for the use of what looks like the "R" from a Skyline GT-R. Especially on the gas cap and wheel center caps. Other'n that, it's cool shiz. And for some reason the shape of the exhaust isn't quite flowing with the rear for me. But hey, it's All better than the muscle car I have.

The R stands for Ring brothers..................

[CAMAROBOY69]

That is one sexy stang!!! :eek: :eek: :attn:

[CAMAROBOY69]

yes they house a Trans cooler on one side and oil
cooler on the other!
Now that is trick about the side vents!!!!

[Steve1968LS2]

Was there a point to that comment?

I doubt it..

[Blitz]

The R stands for Ring brothers..................
Hmmm, I guess that could be it. I suppose we can't like everything about everybody elses car.:dunno: And since we can't ask the owner questions (yet, hee hee), some of it can/may be left up to interpretation. (Kinda like art) I still think it's :drool: though.

[Steve1968LS2]

Does that mean I can make Penny an "R" model??? :woot:

[Damn True]

Was there a point to that comment?



Just a lack of confidence in airbag suspension. Granted, I am no expert on suspension design, but in speaking to those who are, researching my project and comparing against most if not all race or performance car suspensions, air has yet to prove itself.

Sure it's fine for cruisers and the show-set, but it seems like a huge comprimise in capability for a car that is at least by appearance, a performance car.

All that said, it is a beautiful car and I really like some of the stuff they did with it (the rear portion may be the most bitchin thing I have ever seen done to the back of a 'stang).

[Steve1968LS2]

Just a lack of confidence in airbag suspension. Granted, I am no expert on suspension design, but in speaking to those who are, researching my project and comparing against most if not all race or performance car suspensions, air has yet to prove itself.

Sure it's fine for cruisers and the show-set, but it seems like a huge comprimise in capability for a car that is at least by appearance, a performance car.

All that said, it is a beautiful car and I really like some of the stuff they did with it (the rear portion may be the most bitchin thing I have ever seen done to the back of a 'stang).

Well, I didn't go but they had an event back east for Air Ride and everyone was pretty impressed on the way the Shockwave performed on the track.. Heck, even Chicayne was out on the track (and only spun once).. I still think the Mustang would handle ok on the track but it definetly not a "track car" or race car. Bet it would be fun to cruise around.

Oh, and I don't think it had the shockwave system.. just the standard air ride stuff. The side vents for the coolers was about the most wicked thing I have ever seen done..

[Travis B]

Just a lack of confidence in airbag suspension. Granted, I am no expert on suspension design, but in speaking to those who are, researching my project and comparing against most if not all race or performance car suspensions, air has yet to prove itself.

Sure it's fine for cruisers and the show-set, but it seems like a huge comprimise in capability for a car that is at least by appearance, a performance car.

All that said, it is a beautiful car and I really like some of the stuff they did with it (the rear portion may be the most bitchin thing I have ever seen done to the back of a 'stang).

A properly set up air suspension car will handle better than you think!
did you get a chance to look a Tony@airridetechs response in the "making air-bags work on my G-maching" Thread! he had some pretty good answers to all of the questions asked! I dig the tailights in the rear of the stang....

[Travis B]

Well, I didn't go but they had an event back east for Air Ride and everyone was pretty impressed on the way the Shockwave performed on the track.. Heck, even Chicayne was out on the track (and only spun once).. I still think the Mustang would handle ok on the track but it definetly not a "track car" or race car. Bet it would be fun to cruise around.

Oh, and I don't think it had the shockwave system.. just the standard air ride stuff. The side vents for the coolers was about the most wicked thing I have ever seen done..

The side vents where killer.....I would be interested to see how it would preform....Air ride had a lot of cars there with both shockwaves and regular bags....aren't you guys going to cover the event steve?

[Steve1968LS2]

The side vents where killer.....I would be interested to see how it would preform....Air ride had a lot of cars there with both shockwaves and regular bags....aren't you guys going to cover the event steve?

Johnny wrote up a half page deal for the January Speed Reading. I think there might be some track testing of a shockwave system somewhere down the line. You know, drive the car stock (or modified) then add the Shockwave and see if there is any improvement. I would sure be interested to find out.

[Travis B]

Johnny wrote up a half page deal for the January Speed Reading. I think there might be some track testing of a shockwave system somewhere down the line. You know, drive the car stock (or modified) then add the Shockwave and see if there is any improvement. I would sure be interested to find out.


Didn't air ride do that with a stock 4th Gen Z28? I belive it was white
No changes other than spring for spring!

[Steve1968LS2]

Didn't air ride do that with a stock 4th Gen Z28? I belive it was white
No changes other than spring for spring!

Yep, I heard it knocked quite a bit off the lap times.

[Damn True]

Steve,
Agreed on the side vents. It would be killer if they worked. The determining factor is if that area of the side of the car is a high pressure zone and it is vented to a low pressure zone. If not, it's just parasitic drag unless they have a fan in there too.......which would be sick.

Travis,
I did see his response. He didn't touch upon my questions regarding damping or rate & ride height adjustability at all and IMO did not adequetly address some important fixed issues.

Boyle's, Lussac's & Charles' laws cannot be avoided and I have a very hard time swallowing that the system is unnefected by changes in volume as a result of compression of the air spring and temprature as a result of environmental changes or as a result of compression.

Boyles law: P1 x V1 = P2 x V2
Lussacs law: P1/T1 = P2/T2
Charles law: V1/T1 = V2/T2

Combined gas law: (P1 x V1) / T1 = (P2 x V2) / T2

Broken down:
Boyles law: If you sqeeze the air into a smaller space the pressure goes up.
Lussacs law: If you heat the air the pressure goes up.
Charles law: If you heat the air the volume goes up

Combined: If you squeeze the air the pressure goes up which heats the air which increases the volume.

[Damn True]

Didn't air ride do that with a stock 4th Gen Z28? I belive it was white
No changes other than spring for spring!


No change in ride height, alignment, tires, bushings, sway bars?

[Steve1968LS2]

No change in ride height, alignment, tires, bushings, sway bars?

from what I understood they drove a slightly modified '67 Camaro on the track and then did an air ride deal on it at the track (took an hour or so) and then had the same professional driver that drove the car before flog it again.

He knocked 7 seconds off his best lap time.. Here is an snippet from the story

"...Road race veteran and NASCAR driver Boris Said tested a red ’67 Camaro which was initially equipped with an upgraded stock-style suspension, then converted midway through the day to an Air Ride four-bar set-up. Said told PHR: “The difference is like night and day. The Air Ride suspension on the Camaro is so much quicker; it allowed me to cut 7 seconds off my lap time. This car is so much easier to drive at the limit. Too bad it’s illegal for my Cup car!”

I am sorta like you and have mixed feeling on air bag stuff.. I think it is mostly due to the stigma attached to it and a feeling like you are puttting stuff on your car like the lowriders and Caddy Escalades use.

I have to give Air Ride props though for hosting track days and actually inviting people to try their stuff on a road track. How many mfg's do that?

I still want to drive one for myself to be convinced but I have heard good things.

[Damn True]

I think we are on the same page. And you are right, the similarity to the lowrider and waxer / trailer queen / street rod set does give me an accute case of heebie-jeebies. It just seems like if it were a viable technology some form of racing would be using it, but no matter where you look its metal springs (with a few composite exceptions) and gas charged fluid dampers, not air.

Id be curious to see if similar results could not be achieved by simply adding an improved spring and shock.

[vanzuuk1]

what you mean is an "apple to apples" comparison.

[jeffandre]

from what I understood they drove a slightly modified '67 Camaro on the track and then did an air ride deal on it at the track (took an hour or so) and then had the same professional driver that drove the car before flog it again.

"...Road race veteran and NASCAR driver Boris Said tested a red ’67 Camaro which was initially equipped with an upgraded stock-style suspension, then converted midway through the day to an Air Ride four-bar set-up. Said told PHR: “The difference is like night and day. The Air Ride suspension on the Camaro is so much quicker; it allowed me to cut 7 seconds off my lap time. This car is so much easier to drive at the limit. Too bad it’s illegal for my Cup car!”

I have to give Air Ride props though for hosting track days and actually inviting people to try their stuff on a road track. How many mfg's do that?

The non-air bag companies should take advantage of the same idea by using a similar setup 1st Gen and hiring a pro to flog it, then put their systems on the car and take data. I am not certain that some of the better suspension systems could beat that 7 second gain, but I bet they could be competitive...Sounds like a major opportunity here, and Air-Ride should see sales go up amongst those wanting to drive the heck out of their cars! Great job capitalizing on a major opportunity that others apparently have missed for the most part.

[MarkM66]

Steve,
Agreed on the side vents. It would be killer if they worked. The determining factor is if that area of the side of the car is a high pressure zone and it is vented to a low pressure zone. If not, it's just parasitic drag unless they have a fan in there too.......which would be sick.

Travis,
I did see his response. He didn't touch upon my questions regarding damping or rate & ride height adjustability at all and IMO did not adequetly address some important fixed issues.

Boyle's, Lussac's & Charles' laws cannot be avoided and I have a very hard time swallowing that the system is unnefected by changes in volume as a result of compression of the air spring and temprature as a result of environmental changes or as a result of compression.

Boyles law: P1 x V1 = P2 x V2
Lussacs law: P1/T1 = P2/T2
Charles law: V1/T1 = V2/T2

Combined gas law: (P1 x V1) / T1 = (P2 x V2) / T2

Broken down:
Boyles law: If you sqeeze the air into a smaller space the pressure goes up.
Lussacs law: If you heat the air the pressure goes up.
Charles law: If you heat the air the volume goes up

Combined: If you squeeze the air the pressure goes up which heats the air which increases the volume.

Lets not forget Murphy's Law. LOL!

[69rs]

Lets not forget Murphy's Law. LOL!


And of course, Gravity. It's not just a good idea, it's the law!
:hammer: Umm, sorry!

[Steve Chryssos]

Lets not forget Murphy's Law. LOL!

That Murphy fella's been hangin' around my place a lot lately. I just picked him up by his ears and gave him the boot! :getout:

[J2speedandcustom]

This Mustang is really well done. :drool: Saw it at the KC GoodGuys this past weekend.

[darren@ridetech]

Check out the December isssue of Super Rod for the write up on this car.

Damn True,
As far as the temp. & pressures changes go, in theory that is all correct. But in reality the effects are so minute that one would never notice. If in fact there was a great temp. change that increased the psi a bit, just let a couple pounds out. And yes if you compress the air spring the pressure will go up, which is what causes the progesssive nature of the spring.

[Damn True]

Move along, nothing to see here.

[Travis B]

Move along, nothing to see here.


what is this suppose to mean exactly?

[P-A-I-N]

what is this suppose to mean exactly?

Seems like a pretty Snotty remark to me.......


This Car is Featured in the February Issue of HOTROD.
Titled: ' The Euro Look '

Beautiful Car...
I really enjoy the Exhaust Tips... the Rear Panel & the Tail Lights.
I have a thing for F14 TomCats & F15 Strike Fighters.
The Exhaust tips give off a Very Tough presence...


And AirRide has some very nice Hardware....

[Damn True]

Nothing sinister. The Ring bros. car is fantastic looking. I'd have gone another way with the suspension and trans.

Just posted something in the wrong thread. You can't delete your posts.

[Bob Johnson]

Nothing sinister. The Ring bros. car is fantastic looking. I'd have gone another way with the suspension and trans.

Just posted something in the wrong thread. You can't delete your posts.
right string but the wrong yo yo

[DarkBuddha]

This Car is Featured in the February Issue of HOTROD.
Titled: ' The Euro Look '
Yeah, it was finally nice to see a nice article on the car, even if I have been waiting 4 months... I guess that's about right for the turn around in publishing though...

[J2speedandcustom]

We met the owner when we were at Barretts. Really a great guy, said they are having some problems with the motor getting it run right. He also mentioned that they (Ring Bros) are building another one to debut at Sema 06. Also heard rumor that that they may possibly do the third build book on this car also.

[Travis B]

We met the owner when we were at Barretts. Really a great guy, said they are having some problems with the motor getting it run right. He also mentioned that they (Ring Bros) are building another one to debut at Sema 06. Also heard rumor that that they may possibly do the third build book on this car also.

a build book on that car would be very cool! I'm sure they are building another car but it would be unlike them to debut at SEMA it's usually columbus....maybe they are tired of making the top 5 and not getting the award :dunno: they build sinister stuff for sure

[Damn True]

I really dig the design on the interior and the stuff they did with the body.

[ssx]

I am not really a big fan of Mustangs (Hey, just my personal opinion - I did own a 65' Fastback) But this one is unreal, everything looks good IMO even the R is okay knowing that it stands for Ring bros.

[J2speedandcustom]

a build book on that car would be very cool! I'm sure they are building another car but it would be unlike them to debut at SEMA it's usually columbus....maybe they are tired of making the top 5 and not getting the award :dunno: they build sinister stuff for sure

The one debuting at SEMA is going to be in the Roush booth if rumor holds true. Debuting a new motor and car... :cool:

[Travis B]

The one debuting at SEMA is going to be in the Roush booth if rumor holds true. Debuting a new motor and car... :cool:


Hmmm thats cool....I will be there this year so even better !

[Bob Johnson]

a build book on that car would be very cool! I'm sure they are building another car but it would be unlike them to debut at SEMA it's usually columbus....maybe they are tired of making the top 5 and not getting the award :dunno: they build sinister stuff for sure
I talked to the brothers at SEMA..they said they didn't want to tangle with the Cuda..They said it was so far ahead of anything they had ever seen they pitied anyone who had to park next to it at Columbus. I thanked them for their praise. They are great guys and are really improving " the look" of their cars. The quality was always good, but they had more of the ISCA show car look instead of the look the Goodguys judges want. I'm sure their new car will be killer. I wish them smooth sailing.

[Bob Johnson]

Hmmm thats cool....I will be there this year so even better !
I wonder if they're building this for Poteet. I think they are getting so good they are building cars for customers instead of having to build their own car. Poteet is a mainstay in the Roush Booth..Roush and Poteet..tops in their respective games..

[Bob Johnson]

a build book on that car would be very cool! I'm sure they are building another car but it would be unlike them to debut at SEMA it's usually columbus....maybe they are tired of making the top 5 and not getting the award :dunno: they build sinister stuff for sure
They haven't been shafted..They lost to Chicayne with their red convert. like I did with The Battle Axe. They lost to Pigford last year. Alloway and Ken's Challenger was also there. I loved their Mustang but it wasn't quite the level of the other two. Nor was Battle axe and their convert in the same world as Chicayne. So they haven't been screwed, they've just come up against some big time cars. If they're hooked up with Poteet/his taste his money/his knowledge/vision/..2007 just may be their year...unless Alan and Cooper get the Camaro done..then it's no holds barred..
and you know who my money will be on...

[J2speedandcustom]

Bob,

We have heard through the vine it is for Doug Hoppe of Iowa. Doug had the killer orange and black 55 and most recently an awesome Minotti built by the crew at Lakeside rods. We also met Doug at Barretts and he filled us in on some of the details and kind of squashed the rumors. Doug is a really good guy who has had some really bitchin cars. Sounds like it is going to be a great car built by some great guys.

[Travis B]

They haven't been shafted..They lost to Chicayne with their red convert. like I did with The Battle Axe. They lost to Pigford last year. Alloway and Ken's Challenger was also there. I loved their Mustang but it wasn't quite the level of the other two. Nor was Battle axe and their convert in the same world as Chicayne. So they haven't been screwed, they've just come up against some big time cars. If they're hooked up with Poteet/his taste his money/his knowledge/vision/..2007 just may be their year...unless Alan and Cooper get the Camaro done..then it's no holds barred..
and you know who my money will be on...


ya I know they shouldn't have beaten the chicayne or the pigford car...im not crazy(well maybe I am) I never said they should have won just that maybe they are tired of getting there and not winning it, thats all.....

No need for anyone to go to columbus this year it has already been decided i'm sure...I wonder if they will give out second this year, thats what everyone will be competing for!

[J2speedandcustom]

I know they have to be frustrated, so I bet this next car will be there best yet, which is exciting and I can not wait to see it.

[Bob Johnson]

ya I know they shouldn't have beaten the chicayne or the pigford car...im not crazy(well maybe I am) I never said they should have won just that maybe they are tired of getting there and not winning it, thats all.....

No need for anyone to go to columbus this year it has already been decided i'm sure...I wonder if they will give out second this year, thats what everyone will be competing for!
You think they're frustrated..what do you think about me. I lost truck of the year in 2003 to a truck that wasn't even in the same stratosphere as my Lil John/Coddington/Alan Johnson Blazer converted to a pick up truck. It's the nicest truck ever built in my opinion and it lost to a truck that wouldn't bring 30K on its best day. Seats sticking up in the rear window, paint all cloudy, splotchey..milk toast engine, interior, just an average truck. Everyone was surprised and startled. i've had some real bad ass pieces and have just been in the ring..more times than the brothers..and I've had the best car on a few occasions..like when I lost Americas most beautiful in Pleasanton to Schlifetts Zephyr..That's why I went stupid on this Cuda..I don't have a lot of kick left..I told Alan to go over the top and he did exactly that..I didn't want a decision..I wanted the knock out

[J2speedandcustom]

I think the punch was delivered in my opinion. Can not wait to see the Cuda.

[Travis B]

I wanted the knock out

:box: I think you have that for sure!

[Bob Johnson]

:box: I think you have that for sure!
hope it doesn't get crunched while we running the grunt out of it

[BigBronco]

that is amazing