27000 Dollar resto

[dgumoe]

long story short. my buddy HAD a 2005 Caddy Cts-V. that is till the other nite when he tried to avoid some jackass on I-4 in orlando and spun out. slid backwards into the support pillar under the overpass. Good news is he's ok. Bad news is the car is a loss. The bodyshop at the caddy dealer didnt even get under it and can already guess about 27000 in damage. OUCH. i can build a complete car for that. good thing it was a lease. oh well back to the drawing board. anyway, any of you guys with the cash to buy one. DONT. the way this thing lost it the other nite was the result of a poorly engineered vehicle. not the result of poor driving. GM dropped the ball on this one when they crammed more weight and engine in the front end of that pig than it was designed for.

[yody]

of course it wasn't the driver...............

[BAD6SPD]

Why is it when someone balls up thier car, it is automatically the vehicles fault, and not the drivers skills, or lack thereof?...The CTSV is a very well engineered vehicle, and hundreds of laps around the Nurburgring are a testament to that. What exactly is your basis for saying that the front is too heavy for the chassis?.Because one guy you know lost it on the freeway? ....The cars fault because he lost control, you should be a lawyer....

[formula]

wait so somehow the vehicle was supposed to cope in a high speed emergency avoidance maneuver that was probably (unless your friend has had some sort of advanced driver training) handled incorrectly? lemme guess, jackhole pulled out/switched lanes in front of him, he panic-braked and swerved at the same time, tail tried to come around, he overcorrected and spun...or something along those lines?

the fact that your friend is ok in an accident that did 27 thousand dollars worth of damage to his car should be a testament to thorough engineering where it counts.

[6'9"Witha69]

Hell, I consider myself a very good driver and have brought the rear end around just accelerating in a straight line. It was raining, one of those first rains that makes the streets like a skid pad, I over accelerated, then over corrected and turned it around and into opposing lanes. Fortunately it was late enough that nobody else was around and I didn't hit anything. I will state this was with crappy 15" rims and tires, but still my fault. Hard to admit but it is what people should do, take responsibility, in full or in part.

[ProdigyCustoms]

It is not a board member here is it? I have a customer with a CTS.

[Nine Ball]

CTS-V is one of the best engineered GM vehicles on the road, also one of the best handling sedans on the market. That being said, even the best driver can lose control sometimes and wipe out a car.

[JLM]

CTS-V is one of the best engineered GM vehicles on the road, also one of the best handling sedans on the market. That being said, even the best driver can lose control sometimes and wipe out a car.

Truer words have never been spoken.

I remember one night I was out driving my 2003 Cobra while I still had it. I was going up an incline from a stop light that has a very slight amount of turn the the left. I'm in 2nd gear and I give the car about 1/2 to 3/4 throttle. Instant sideways. We're not talking the back end got a little loose, I'm taling instantly sideways. Corrected and when I regained traction I was in a different lane.

disclaimer: Horsing around on the street is bad times.

With that said, I'm going to agree with everyone here in that it probably wasn't necessarily the car's fault.

[ACEFOOTER]

One of my co-workers is putting together a body order for a 2001 MErcedes CL600, $28,000 in parts alone, and thats just the initial order. Car has ABS, traction control, active self leveling suspension, ect. Guy wrecked in the Napa wine country, not really sure what happened but I don't think it was the cars fault.

[CarlC]

I need the engine and trans.....

[pushrod243]

great parts car! I'll be watching the salvage auctions around Orlando for it.

[dgumoe]

actually fellas he's an excellent driver. there was no jerk and pull manuever. he performed what equated to a slow lane change. believe me when i say he's telling the truth about what happened, ive seen him haulin ass around a road course in a g-body grand prix with a 2" drop and urethane bushings and nothing else to make it near the capability of the caddy and the car never lost it. and the cars they were running at Nurburgring from what i remember were far from stock. we've been bitching about his car since the day he got it as far as handling and overall stability. if both of us can handle old overpowered and underengineered a and g bodies in just about any conditions you can think of, i think he could handle the best the general has to offer. and the fact that he's ok is a testament to crumple zones and crash engineering, NOT the pisspoor suspension. oh yeah,and did i mention he graduated skip barber's racing school?

[dgumoe]

only thing i can figure that would be beyond both the scope of car and driver control, is when the tires hit the painted lines in the road it got loose and the rain further facilitated the spin. but i still stand by my original statement, buy something else.

[Nine Ball]

I still think it had more to do with driver or road conditions than the car. The CTS platform is one of the best handling sedans on the road right now, and that has been proven many times in the magazines and on the track. The main reason GM decided to put a V8 into that car in the first place was because the chassis was nice and rigid and the suspension works well. They *almost* considered using the same chassis to replace the Camaro/Firebird, but couldn't do it under the max budget.

Like I said, even the best drivers can lose a car. Just a few weeks ago a racer we know put an 11-second car into a light pole while testing the car, and this guy drove an 7-second car professionally for many years at the track. Killed him.

[MarkM66]

What's the front to rear weight of it?

What car should we be buying then?

[JLM]

What car should we be buying then?

A civic...what else? :rolleyes5

[gEtyOpAPiOn]

i guess a good driver is the one that knows what the car can handle...not someone that expects a car to handle the way the driver wants ...if that was the case accidents wouldnt happen lol ...thats how every one crashes on the freeway...*oh, ...i was goin 110mph and this ignorant idiot cut me off!!!...lol* make the math...whos fault was it lol



...the good news ...there is an ls6 out there now awaiting to be slapped in a pro-tourer !!! lol

[JoshStratton]

I am glad your friend is ok.

[dgumoe]

yeah, im kinda calming down now. the guys my best friend and it kinda shook me up more than it probably should have. i still dont like the car. period, i never did. personally if you want a 4 door rear drive car i say the new chryslers are the way to go. and thats coming from a die hard Bow-tie guy.

[Damn True]

Your buddy may very well be a fantastic driver however, if fantastic drivers never goofed up race cars wouldn't need roll cages and tracks wouldn't need walls and catch fences. The CTS is a brilliant car, but it only takes a tiny lapse in attention, even in a great car, to toss it in the weeds.

....and acefooter....wrecked car, in wine country.....hmmmm I'm guessing it was a failure of the PICS (Pinot Intake Control System).

[69boo307]

personally if you want a 4 door rear drive car i say the new chryslers are the way to go. and thats coming from a die hard Bow-tie guy.

LMAO! The CTS-V would butt-rape any of the new chryslers in just about any performance category you could think of.

[trapin]

No offense....but your buddy is 'one guy'.

When the stories start pouring out from across the world about CTS-V's spinning out and crashing and all the pundits start whoopin and hollering about the suspect suspension, then I'll listen.

Until then....I'm changing the channel. Seinfeld starts in a few minutes.

[yody]

yeah, last time i checked, I "believe" those have all aluminum engines up front?( am I wrong?)

[Fluid Power]

only thing i can figure that would be beyond both the scope of car and driver control, is when the tires hit the painted lines in the road it got loose and the rain further facilitated the spin. but i still stand by my original statement, buy something else.


Yeah, it'll do that....I will stick by the General in this case.

Good luck with your Chrysler at the autocross track....

[malihoochie]

Like I said, even the best drivers can lose a car. Just a few weeks ago a racer we know put an 11-second car into a light pole while testing the car, and this guy drove an 7-second car professionally for many years at the track. Killed him

And that was on a flat, straight, dry, wide road. (RIP Tophie)
Hope you don't feel picked on Dgumoe but it does seem likely that it was not the cars fault.

[MarkM66]

A civic...what else? :rolleyes5

That's what I drive everyday. Haven't spun out yet, :camaro: .

[TonyL]

LMAO! The CTS-V would butt-rape any of the new chryslers in just about any performance category you could think of.

Really?


Chrysler 300 srt-8:
Performance
0-60 mph: 4.9 sec
0-100 mph: 11.7 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.2 sec @ 108 mph
Skidpad: .88g
Top Speed: --- mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 113 ft
Slalom Speed: 67.3 mph

caddy CTS-V:
0-60 mph: 5.2 sec
0-100 mph: 12.2 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.7 sec @ 107 mph
Skidpad: .90g
Top Speed: 163 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 118 ft
Slalom Speed: 66.1 mph

from: www.fastautos.net

[shmoov69]

Wow Tony, that thing is bad! I am surprised! Too bad it is a Chizzler. I like them, but have had friends work at dealerships and Chrystler has WAAAY too many comebacks for my taste! Heck, even my dads SRT/10 pick up had the front ball joint about come off because it was so loose. Less than 15,000 miles and needs a new A-arm because of it.
But back to the CTS-V, maybe HIS was a hooptie or a lemon or something. Maybe it was a "friday" car or something!

[Jim Nilsen]

I keep wondering if the tires weren't a little bit abused,used and well? TIRED. Tires are everything to traction and if the pedal had been to the metal too many times they could have been a bit on the slick side maybe?

But really though my question is what brand of tires were they? I want to make sure that I might avoid them possibly in my future.

Being it was a lease does that make it a donor loaner now?

Jim Nilsen

[Bill Howell]

Being it was a lease does that make it a donor loaner now?

Jim Nilsen

:lol: I think loaner donor sounds better!

[dgumoe]

actually, and im not inciting an argument again, the tires on all of these cars are terrible. its one of the major gripes of anyone who owns one. now dont get me wrong, he's no angel when it comes to roasting them, but they do prematurely wearout. thats not the cars fault though, goodyear needs to work on their tires compound on that particular model. it doesnt matter what car theyre on, they wear out. i think caddy even has a service bulletin on em or some crap like that.

[Nine Ball]

Hey TonyL, the 2006 CTS-V gets the 6.0L LS2. Should be a little quicker then

[Steve Chryssos]

I can crash any car. Doesn't matter if it's a Citroen 2CV or an Enzo. But if I make it through the crash intact, I will thank the car and the people who designed it for saving my ass. Better mojo than blaming the car for causing the wreck.

[TonyL]

Hey TonyL, the 2006 CTS-V gets the 6.0L LS2. Should be a little quicker then


I see. To be fair, those numbers are off an 04 caddy. Im not sure about the 05 model even. But, the charger is supposed to be even faster still than the 300. Should shape up to be a good battle of the american sedans. BMW who?

[moparguy]

You must be smokin that GM weed! :lmao: you seem to think anything GM is automatically faster than anything on the road..Ha!!!
Its good to be happy about your chevy and all... but keep it real geez!

Way to post the numbers TonyL!



That ugly thing is not going to smoke the the SRT10 truck or SRT8 for that matter! Now the CTS-V or whatever might smoke the new vette! :spank2: :poke:


LMAO! The CTS-V would butt-rape any of the new chryslers in just about any performance category you could think of.

[Ralph LoGrasso]

That ugly thing is not going to smoke the the SRT10 truck or SRT8 for that matter! Now the CTS-V or whatever might smoke the new vette! :spank2: :poke:


Too bad neither the SRT10 truck or SRT8 could smoke a bone stock '01-'02 F-body, especially with the SLP Lid and Exhaust as factory options(SS or Firehawk). They have 150 and 75 more hp respectively, too. He haw, he haaaaa :rotfl:. Man, I love bench racing. New SRT-8 Charger is supposed to be good for 12.9 in the 1/4. Tony (nineball) has piloted his bone stock '99 SS to 12.8

[moparguy]

:sleeping: This stuff sounds like the punk kid down the street with his El Cameeeeno...."One time....I saw this stock chevy monte carlo outrun John Forces Top Fuel Car! And the Monte was sandbagging it! Wow WEEEEEE! " :attn:

Of course in the chevy world....the chevy is always faster than reality.
And I have read 12.6 for the new Charger which is faster than the 12.8 for the boneheaded I mean bonestock Camaro. :doh:






Too bad neither the SRT10 truck or SRT8 could smoke a bone stock '01-'02 F-body, especially with the SLP Lid and Exhaust as factory options(SS or Firehawk). They have 150 and 75 more hp respectively, too. He haw, he haaaaa :rotfl:. Man, I love bench racing. New SRT-8 Charger is supposed to be good for 12.9 in the 1/4. Tony (nineball) has piloted his bone stock '99 SS to 12.8

[Ralph LoGrasso]

:sleeping: This stuff sounds like the punk kid down the street with his El Cameeeeno...."One time....I saw this stock chevy monte carlo outrun John Forces Top Fuel Car! And the Monte was sandbagging it! Wow WEEEEEE! " :attn:

Of course in the chevy world....the chevy is always faster than reality.
And I have read 12.6 for the new Charger which is faster than the 12.8 for the boneheaded I mean bonestock Camaro. :doh:

This isn't the "one time...my friend's friend's friend's brothers uncle ran a 12.8 in his bone stock camaro." Tons of people have ran 12.9 in their 4th gens. Of course in the mopar world, it's always Mopar or no car. No props given to anything but mopars. Just think, three tenths in the quarter faster than a 4 year old car. And for the record, I'm a big fan of mopars...

I'm not one to bench race and never have been. I just felt like stirring the pot a little bit with my last post. Run whatcha brung and hope ya brought enough as they say. No doubt the new SRT 8 is fast. Fast, but lacking severly in the looks department. SRT8 looks better than the regular charger, though. Oddly enough I ran into a new black charger (regular not SRT 8) on friday night while I was cruising the SS. I tried to get the guy to get on it a little, but he wouldn't even look over at me.

[moparguy]

My younger brother owns a 69 Camaro and I have always liked 67-69's and hope I might get to buy it off of him..(he buys them to sell them)..So its not mopar or no car ,but rather I am just a car guy that likes to take a jab or two at those who always think that the chevy has to win....because its a chevy. See em and hear em all the time at the track and it just cracks me up! :lmao:

Right now Mopar only offers the Viper and SRT10 Truck as true performance vehicles as far as I am concerned.
I do like the 300 though...the front end coming down the road looks kinda Bently.

Those that purchase the new Charger will not be mopar gearheads. They will be computer,"Tuner" type wanna be's who think they have purchased something way cool!
The new Charger should have never had that name put on it...I mean come on the thing has 4 doors for crying out loud!
They should have just simply called it the Magnum,Polara,Imperial or something else and been done with it. The new "Charger" is a severely ugly car...lets get that straight. And for the record I do not revere the new hemi as a hemi at all since it really does not have true hemispherical heads....but it does make some great power!

Oh yeah...Did I mention that my wife owns a 2000 Camaro SS Black on Black 6spd car with SLP options? I drive it all the time and its a great car.....but it will not beat anything and everything that is out there...........including John Force's Fueler!



This isn't the "one time...my friend's friend's friend's brothers uncle ran a 12.8 in his bone stock camaro." Tons of people have ran 12.9 in their 4th gens. Of course in the mopar world, it's always Mopar or no car. No props given to anything but mopars. Just think, three tenths in the quarter faster than a 4 year old car. And for the record, I'm a big fan of mopars...

I'm not one to bench race and never have been. I just felt like stirring the pot a little bit with my last post. Run whatcha brung and hope ya brought enough as they say. No doubt the new SRT 8 is fast. Fast, but lacking severly in the looks department. SRT8 looks better than the regular charger, though. Oddly enough I ran into a new black charger (regular not SRT 8) on friday night while I was cruising the SS. I tried to get the guy to get on it a little, but he wouldn't even look over at me.

[BAD6SPD]

Just curious, you never mentioned if your buddy disables the traction control when driving, lots of people do, especially "experienced" drivers, as you describe him. Noone has mentioned the CTSV has GM's most advanced 4-mode Stabitrak system, which pretty much prevents the driver from losing control of the car, except under the most extreme circumstances, or highly aggressive maneuver, but you said it was more of a slow lane change. Unless he had the TCS disabled, which is my guess, there is no way that car would get out of shape with the Stability system active on a maneuver you described.

Regardless, I am glad he was OK, It IS just a car, and cars can be replaced.

[Ralph LoGrasso]

My younger brother owns a 69 Camaro and I have always liked 67-69's and hope I might get to buy it off of him..(he buys them to sell them)..So its not mopar or no car ,but rather I am just a car guy that likes to take a jab or two at those who always think that the chevy has to win....because its a chevy. See em and hear em all the time at the track and it just cracks me up! :lmao:

I know the exact guys you're talking about. I guess I kinda came off like that, but tha'ts now how I am haha.


Right now Mopar only offers the Viper and SRT10 Truck as true performance vehicles as far as I am concerned.
I do like the 300 though...the front end coming down the road looks kinda Bently.

I will agree with you there on all accounts. 300 is very bently-esque.


Those that purchase the new Charger will not be mopar gearheads. They will be computer,"Tuner" type wanna be's who think they have purchased something way cool!
The new Charger should have never had that name put on it...I mean come on the thing has 4 doors for crying out loud!
They should have just simply called it the Magnum,Polara,Imperial or something else and been done with it. The new "Charger" is a severely ugly car...lets get that straight. And for the record I do not revere the new hemi as a hemi at all since it really does not have true hemispherical heads....but it does make some great power!

They definitely shouldn't have called in the charger. Much as GM should've called the new GTO a Lemans, and offered the Lemans with some more radical styling options badged as a GTO.


Oh yeah...Did I mention that my wife owns a 2000 Camaro SS Black on Black 6spd car with SLP options? I drive it all the time and its a great car.....but it will not beat anything and everything that is out there...........including John Force's Fueler!

Your wife has excellent taste in cars! LOL. It certainly won't beat everything out there. '03 Cobras are no joke on the street. SRT-8 Charger will give it a run for it's money, as will the new Saleen, and shelby stangs. ...Although, I once knew a guy who ran John Force's top fuel car with his bone stock SS. Supposidly JF bogged off the line and..... :hammer:

[Maxoctane]

actually, and im not inciting an argument again, the tires on all of these cars are terrible. its one of the major gripes of anyone who owns one. now dont get me wrong, he's no angel when it comes to roasting them, but they do prematurely wearout. thats not the cars fault though, goodyear needs to work on their tires compound on that particular model. it doesnt matter what car theyre on, they wear out. i think caddy even has a service bulletin on em or some crap like that.


hhmmm, yeeeesssss, i agree. On many ocassions I have experienced this "premature wearout" on my tires. Particularly the ones installed on the rear of my vehicles. If anyone else has had this "premature wearout" happen on their tires perhaps we should band together and alert the tire companies to this problem.

[zbugger]

only thing i can figure that would be beyond both the scope of car and driver control, is when the tires hit the painted lines in the road it got loose and the rain further facilitated the spin. but i still stand by my original statement, buy something else.

Driver error. Plain and simple. Every car is different. I once was driving 90 miles per hour and got cut off pretty bad. Rear fender to front fender. I swerved, regained control, and left. No crash, no incident. I admit that I am a very good driver, and I can handle most any car I drive. What was I driving when this happened to me? A 2004 Honda Accord. Fully loaded, and with the traction control on. I never drive without it on. The conditions were dry, and there wasn't much of a breeze at all.

You also say, a few posts later, that it was in the rain, and that it may have hit the paint. Well, from experience there as well, I think your friend was driving a little too fast for the conditions. Most people I see driving pseudo-performance vehicles don't slow down in the rain. Like the car is supposed to do the same thing in the rain that it does in the dry? And if it did spin due to the painted lines, the damn car needed new tires. I you both didn't like the car when he got it, he should have never even leased it. Just chalk it up to a dumbass mistake.

[6'9"Witha69]

I will say that Good Years do wear out prematurely. They claim the ones that came stock on my Silverado were good for 45,000 miles. There were to the steel in 21,000 miles and I have my truck aligned, wheels balanced an rotated at regular intervals. I switched to Dunlops and have gone 30,000 miles and I'm not even half way through them.
Funny thing I noticed is Chevrolet switched from GoodYears to Generals for the '04 model year. HHMMMMMM.......

[6'9"Witha69]

By the way Dgumoe, I am glad your friend is OK. At least the car is a "replacable", not a classic going to the great parts heap in sky.

[MuscleRodz]

I have never liked the Goodyear Eagles of any type. I agree they wear fast. Horrible in the rain on the "F" body and that goes for both 3rd and 4th gen, I have owned both. Firestone suck as well. Better in the rain but everyone of those I have owned have all failed prematurely due to manufacturing.

Mike