Hooker 1st-gen F-body/3rd-gen Nova Trick or Treat tease

[Toddoky]

In the spirit of Halloween, I thought I'd put up a trick-or-trick tease for you 1st-gen F-body/3rd-gen Nova swappers and preview some of the new LS swap parts that will be coming your way from Hooker after the SEMA show. The header image is the first sets of the Hooker 1st-gen/Nova mid-length and long tube swap headers and the other two images depict the Hooker clamshell retrofit engine mount kit: the adapter plates bolt to your subframe in place of the factory frame stands and then you bolt a new set of clamshells to them (not included with the brackets) to engage with the Hooker engine brackets connected to the engine. I stacked them all up so you can see the interface between the parts. Let me know if the you have any questions regarding these parts in the next day, as I'm off to the SEMA show next week and won't be in a position to respond.


Thanks,

Todd

[paulk68]

I am going to be keeping an eye on this new system, gonna be doing an LS swap in my 68 camaro soon. Please keep us posted on this set up

[Toddoky]

I am going to be keeping an eye on this new system, gonna be doing an LS swap in my 68 camaro soon. Please keep us posted on this set up

You bet Paul, I'll be posting up more photos and other relative info as the release date draws nearer.

Todd

[spacepirate]

I agree! See you guys at SEMA!

[Toddoky]

I agree! See you guys at SEMA!
Be sure to stop by the Hooker booth and I'll show you the goods.

[paulk68]

i agree! See you guys at sema!
be sure to stop by the hooker booth and i'll show you the goods.

spicy!!!!!!

[Tictakman]

Looking good! Ive been patiently waiting for them... You are releasing a t56 crossmember too right?

Thanks,

Zak

[Toddoky]

Looking good! Ive been patiently waiting for them... You are releasing a t56 crossmember too right?

Thanks,

Zak

That's correct, and an available adapter kit will also make it possible to install a TH400 or a 2004R automatic with the T56 crossmember.

[srh3trinity]

I just got a set of darkside coated first gen swap headers and they are really nice.

[Toddoky]

I just got a set of darkside coated first gen swap headers and they are really nice.

If you just purchased a set of Hooker 1st-gen LS swap headers they would be the existing 2289HKR headers that have been on the market for about 5 years now, as the new headers show in the above image are not yet available. I'm glad you are happy with the quality of the headers.

[regal454]

Todd,

What is the MSRP on the first gen ceramic coated mid length headers?

[Toddoky]

Todd,

What is the MSRP on the first gen ceramic coated mid length headers?

Off of the top of my head I don't know what the prices on either header with be, but they will be close to the same price as the new Hooker 2nd-gen F-body LS swap mid-length and long-tube headers that were recently released and are available at sources like Summit Racing and Jegs. Check the prices of those headers on those sites and you'll have an idea as to what the prices will be. Sorry I couldn't give you a more direct answer.

[jaycoy65]

waiting to see prices on this kit... was just about to buy some different mounts and headers but def would be interested in this kit.. will the darkside headers be a option??

[Toddoky]

waiting to see prices on this kit... was just about to buy some different mounts and headers but def would be interested in this kit.. will the darkside headers be a option??
Yes, you will have the option to buy black painted or black or silver ceramic coated mild steel versions of the new Hooker long tubes or you can go with the full-tilt stainless versions also.

[jaycoy65]

can u PM me with the price of this kit and when it will be released and ready to be purchased?? im very interested. do u know if the holly pan will work with this kit for the 68 camaro


Yes, you will have the option to buy black painted or black or silver ceramic coated mild steel versions of the new Hooker long tubes or you can go with the full-tilt stainless versions also.

[cwylie]

Will this work with the holley LS oil pan? Will it clear the ridetech true turn setup?

[Toddoky]

can u PM me with the price of this kit and when it will be released and ready to be purchased?? im very interested. do u know if the holly pan will work with this kit for the 68 camaro
You can either check our website or get that info from any of our resellers. I work in the engineering dept. and don't keep keep up on that kind of info.

[Toddoky]

Will this work with the holley LS oil pan? Will it clear the ridetech true turn setup?
The new Hooker 1st-gen parts are designed to work in a bolt-on fashion with the new-design Holley pan in a bolt-on fashion, if you want to use the current Holley pan and achieve desirable U- joint angles it will require notching of the engine crossmember.

[brownz]

any word if these work with a ride tech tru-turn?

[sixgunsuperman99]

Is there a release date yet? My project is on hold waiting for these to come out.

[Toddoky]

any word if these work with a ride tech tru-turn?
I can't say with any level if certainty since compatibility with those particular Ridetech components was not evaluated during the development of the Hooker components. I'll be here at the SEMA show all week, so I'll try to get over to the Ridetech booth to got some info on the geometry differences between those parts and the stock steering components.

[Toddoky]

Is there a release date yet? My project is on hold waiting for these to come out.
The engine mounts and transmission crossmembers should be ready to start shipping by the middle of the month, but the release of the headers might hold you up as it will be at least another 30-45 days before they hit the shelf.

[cwylie]

When does the new oil pan launch?

[sixgunsuperman99]

Will the mounts work with stock truck or fbody manifolds? If so, I'll be in business.

When does the oil pan come out, and are there any pictures?

[Toddoky]

When does the new oil pan launch?
I had a discussion with guys on the engineering team working on that project and the reported date for the completion of the 1st production run is the end of Dec.

[Toddoky]

Will the mounts work with stock truck or fbody manifolds? If so, I'll be in business.

When does the oil pan come out, and are there any pictures?
I have no way of knowing if any OE manifolds are compatible with this swap set-up as none were tried. I can tell you that the Hooker LS swap manifolds do not fit due to interference with the steering box, so maybe you can use their shape as a point of reference. The engineering team working on the oil pan is reporting that the first production run of the new oil pan will be completed the end of December.

[CarlC]

Hooker had a 2nd gen chassis at SEMA that had their new motor mounts, stainless headers, full 3" exhaust system, and transmission crossmember.

The features that stood out were the cast header flanges, band clamping of the tubes for very low clearance, FEA designed crossmember with deep recesses for the tubes, and OE style rubber hangers with the bullet/upset ends. It looks and feels like an OE setup.

[Toddoky]

Hooker had a 2nd gen chassis at SEMA that had their new motor mounts, stainless headers, full 3" exhaust system, and transmission crossmember.

The features that stood out were the cast header flanges, band clamping of the tubes for very low clearance, FEA designed crossmember with deep recesses for the tubes, and OE style rubber hangers with the bullet/upset ends. It looks and feels like an OE setup.
Thanks for stopping by the Hooker booth and sharing your assessment Carl...I would like to inform all the 1st-gen F-body swappers following this thread that the feature and quality level of the new Hooker components coming for that application are on par with what you observed on the 2nd-gen display we had there at the show.

[32deucecoupe]

Will the motor mounts and 6-speed crossmember part number be released soon?

[Toddoky]

Will the motor mounts and 6-speed crossmember part number be released soon?

Yes they will. I'm working on the completion of the instructions for the two crossmembers now, which will finish off the task requirements for being able to launch those components. The engine mount kits are in the process of being boxed now, so they will be cut loose at the same time. We're all trying to get back on track following the SEMA Show, so give me a couple of days and I'll have more to report to you.

Todd

[32deucecoupe]

Thanks for the update Todd

[mikes70]

Hi Todd, it was nice meeting you at SEMA. IF you could, pm me your email. I need the dims from the center of the headers on the 2nd gen. Center line to Center line (of tube) to see how close it is to the Dynatech system i've previously purchased. Thanx, Mike aka glassman"...

[Toddoky]

Hi Todd, it was nice meeting you at SEMA. IF you could, pm me your email. I need the dims from the center of the headers on the 2nd gen. Center line to Center line (of tube) to see how close it is to the Dynatech system i've previously purchased. Thanx, Mike aka glassman"...

Same here Mike, it was great to connect faces to various people I've exchanged posts with here and elsewhere over the last couple of months. I will take a measurement for you on Monday and send you the results.



Todd

[rickpaw]

Todd,
Can you get the same dimensions for the 1st-gen header as well (centerline/centerline between the mounting flange and the tubes)? I'd like check some measurements and compare them to the Dynatechs that I have.

Thanks.

[mikes70]

85496

[Toddoky]

85496

Hmmm...this set-up seems strangely familiar to me.

[32deucecoupe]

Is that the 2.5 collector system, definitely tucks up nicely.

[Toddoky]

Is that the 2.5 collector system, definitely tucks up nicely.

No, it's actually the 3" Hooker exhaust system connected to the Hooker long-tubes, which all have 3" collectors. The ground clearance we acheived would not have been possible without the development of the transmission crossmembers as they feature the high-arc pass-through clearance needed to achieve this.

[32deucecoupe]

And the 1st gen will tuck up just as right? I had considered mid length with 2.5 collectors before seeing this pic for my 68.

[Toddoky]

And the 1st gen will tuck up just as right? I had considered mid length with 2.5 collectors before seeing this pic for my 68.

Yes, the ground clearance from the coming new Hooker 1st-gen components is very much the same. These two photos show the installed ground clearance of the 1-7/8" long tube headers and 3" exhaust system under the car. The photos were taken on a 68' Camaro.


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[32deucecoupe]

Looks good, can't wait for this system to hit the shelf.

[mikes70]

So just an fyi for you 2nd genner's, my Dynatechs with transadapt engine mounts place my collector at
2 3/8'ths from the ground, very low, front clip at 4 1/4 so ......

[mikes70]

Todd, quick question,; do you know if this requires a cutting of the tunnel? i believe it might. (the whole kit)

thanx, Mike
p.s. can you get me the dim at the center line when you can..

[Toddoky]

Todd, quick question,; do you know if this requires a cutting of the tunnel? i believe it might. (the whole kit)

thanx, Mike
p.s. can you get me the dim at the center line when you can..

No Mike. Because of the unique geometry of the Hooker mounts and headers, you can currently install a 4th gen F-body or GTO T56 or 4L60/4L65/4L70/4L75 automatic into these cars with no cutting or hammering of the body whatsoever (except to clear the T56 shifter)using one of the two available crossmembers we have available. You can also install a T56 Magnum, but that does require some trimming to pull off. On top of that, we're developing two low-cost adapter kits that will also allow installation of a Powerglide, TH350, 700R4, 2004R or TH400 on these same two crossmembers and does it without any cutting being needed.

[mikes70]

Thanx todd, i just got off the phone with keith from custom works and he said the same thing (and to say hi haha)...

[rickpaw]

So just an fyi for you 2nd genner's, my Dynatechs with transadapt engine mounts place my collector at
2 3/8'ths from the ground, very low, front clip at 4 1/4 so ......

For 1st-gen F-body, the Dynatech collector is 2.5" from the ground on my 67 Firebird (using DSE mounts). Way too low for my liking.

[Toddoky]

Hi Todd, it was nice meeting you at SEMA. IF you could, pm me your email. I need the dims from the center of the headers on the 2nd gen. Center line to Center line (of tube) to see how close it is to the Dynatech system i've previously purchased. Thanx, Mike aka glassman"...

Hey Mike, the nominal center-to-center distance between the Hooker 2nd-gen long tube headers is 22-3/4". Here's a few shots for you so you can visualize their fitment to the engine.

[Toddoky]

Todd,
Can you get the same dimensions for the 1st-gen header as well (centerline/centerline between the mounting flange and the tubes)? I'd like check some measurements and compare them to the Dynatechs that I have.

Thanks.

And for you Rickpaw, the nominal center-to-center distance between the collectors on the new Hooker 1st-gen long-tube headers is 20" and the same measurement on the 1st-gen mid-lengths is 20-3/8". Here's pics of both of them for you to use as a reference in your measuring.

[mikes70]

Sweet, thanx Todd. Be sure to let us know when those baby's are ready for purchase. I think i'm down for a ss set....

[Toddoky]

Sweet, thanx Todd. Be sure to let us know when those baby's are ready for purchase. I think i'm down for a ss set....

I certainly will Mike. I'm working closely with our production facility to get all these components on the shelf as quickly as possible.

[sixgunsuperman99]

I certainly will Mike. I'm working closely with our production facility to get all these components on the shelf as quickly as possible.

It's looking like I'm going to be picking up a set of the mids (possibly long tubes...). Do you have any dyno charts by chance with both of the headers vs regular cast iron manifolds?

Any pictures of the new oil pan yet?

[Toddoky]

It's looking like I'm going to be picking up a set of the mids (possibly long tubes...). Do you have any dyno charts by chance with both of the headers vs regular cast iron manifolds?

Any pictures of the new oil pan yet?

What you'll get as far as performance will depend on the specifics of your engine assembly, as you can physically bolt any of these headers on any LS engine from the 4.8L all the way up to an LS7 or LS9. For the sake of averaging, you can normally expect to see a 6-12 HP increase with a good set of mid-lengths compared to average LS manifolds and a 22-35 HP difference between the same set of manifolds and well designed set of long-tubes with a tune (both flowing through a decent exhaust system).

The pictures attached here show the new pan on a LS installed in a 68 Camaro with the Hooker engine mounts and crossmember. Two of the steering clearance photos show the center link at full lock in either direction and the other is with the steering in the centered nuetral position.

[32deucecoupe]

Todd,

What power steering pump is used, look like a 3rd gen camaro?

[Toddoky]

Todd,

What power steering pump is used, look like a 3rd gen camaro?

I'm thinking you are wanting to know about the steering box and not the pump. If so, the box was a bone stock power steering unit on the 68" Camaro used for prototyping and an AGR box was installed on the 72' that we used for geometry confirmation. In either case, there is a minimum of 1/2" clearance between any tube and the box with the 1-7/8" versions of the Hooker headers and would be more on the 1-3/4" versions. I've provided these two photos as a reference.

[32deucecoupe]

You are right, I meant box, thinking one thing and typing another. It is the AGR box that I think is based off a 3rd gen, which is what I was looking to run with when I get to that point.

[Tictakman]

Sidebar- Are there any steering boxes or setups that can be installed that are not as bulky as the stock f-body?

[Toddoky]

You are right, I meant box, thinking one thing and typing another. It is the AGR box that I think is based off a 3rd gen, which is what I was looking to run with when I get to that point.

You'll have no problems either way, so that should help you to cross an item or two off your research list. Let me know if I can answer any other questions you might have.

[67rally]

Todd, can you take a measurement from the firewall to the rear of the drivers side cylinder head?

[Toddoky]

Todd, can you take a measurement from the firewall to the rear of the drivers side cylinder head?

The best I can do for you is post up a couple of photos as the engine and trans is no longer in the car. The engine is in a very natural/nuetral position and we intentionally put it there to get it off of the firewall to eliminate the problems that come with that extreme positioning scenario. You can install an automatic trans dipstick tube in this position as well as run the stock small block heater core or factory A/C suitcase with any of the Hooker headers in this position if you so choose.

[67rally]

Thanks Todd. I figured if I knew how far the head sits from the firewall in your photos compared to mine, I'd know where the 3&5 down tubes will sit in relation to my steering box.

[Toddoky]

Thanks Todd. I figured if I knew how far the head sits from the firewall in your photos compared to mine, I'd know where the 3&5 down tubes will sit in relation to my steering box.

10-4 67rally, I understand. If you want a comparative reference point to go off of, the machined front surface of the LS block is about 1/4" back from the front wall of the engine crossmember when setting on the new Hooker engine mounts and crossmember. I would estimate that the headers could tolerate a 1/4" placement deviation fore or aft and still not have issues with the steering box.

Nonetheless, they were not designed to be universal fit headers for use with multiple mounts as the excellent clearance provided by their geometry requires a fairly discrete engine position to provide that benefit. When you think about it, GM only provided a single location for original small blocks and another for big blocks in these cars, which made it possible for headers to be made for these cars in the past that fit. If the engine is a moving target without a fixed position, it makes it impossible to design a good header without compromises have to be designed into it for adjustability.

[Tictakman]

Hey Todd,

Can we call Summit Racing to order these mounts yet??

Z

[Toddoky]

Hey Todd,

Can we call Summit Racing to order these mounts yet??

Z

At the moment I don't think so. The official product release documents that contain all the data entry information that resellers need to enter the parts into their system is being formatted in the sales and marketing department and I'm pushing the instructions for the crossmembers through the document control process now. The individual components are all present in our facility, so once these last minute tasks get wrapped up they'll be ready for boxing and shipping. Because of the short holiday week, my guess is this will all come together sometime next week.

[bkswede]

Hey Todd,

Based on your postings in this thread, it appears clear that these components were designed as a system for cars with stock subframes; however, I'm curious to know whether you will determine whether certain individual components will work with aftermarket subframes, such as DSE, and whether you will market them based on their compatibilty with the various aftermarket subframes. Regardless, I suppose questions of fitment will ultimately be resolved by individuals through trail and error. That said, I would think compatibilty with other aftermarket frames would expand the market for your products (e.g, a reasonably priced header alternative that works with the DSE subframe would be welcomed by many). Nice job - products look outstanding.

[Toddoky]

Hey Todd,

Based on your postings in this thread, it appears clear that these components were designed as a system for cars with stock subframes; however, I'm curious to know whether you will determine whether certain individual components will work with aftermarket subframes, such as DSE, and whether you will market them based on their compatibilty with the various aftermarket subframes. Regardless, I suppose questions of fitment will ultimately be resolved by individuals through trail and error. That said, I would think compatibilty with other aftermarket frames would expand the market for your products (e.g, a reasonably priced header alternative that works with the DSE subframe would be welcomed by many). Nice job - products look outstanding.

Thanks for providing your feedback, it is very valuable to us in our product development efforts. It is highly probable that we will revisit this application again in the coming year to evaluate the prospects of developing more components that fit some of the popular subframes out there(like the DSE system). The more similar inquiries we get to go along with yours, the more likely it is that something will happen.

[bkswede]

I appreciate the reply, Todd... Good luck with the product rollout, and I look forward to seeing what other products you guys might develop in the coming months for those of us looking to go the after market subframe route. Best,

Brian

[mikes70]

Btw, Todd, any news on the headers yet? for the 2nd gen, either s/s or ceramic coated? lemme know...i'm going to place an order soon as you guys are ready....

[dondb]

Any updates on the 1st gen swap kit? I'm in the process of buying all the parts for the swap….waiting on your kit for the installation in my 69 camaro.

[67rally]

Any updates on the 1st gen swap kit? I'm in the process of buying all the parts for the swap….waiting on your kit for the installation in my 69 camaro.

Yeah, hurry up and get those headers Don, so I can see if I want them for my '67.:)

[Toddoky]

Any updates on the 1st gen swap kit? I'm in the process of buying all the parts for the swap….waiting on your kit for the installation in my 69 camaro.
I just gave my final approval on the formatting of the instructions for the Hooker 1st-gen F-body/3rd-gen Nova LS swap engine mount kit and transmission crossmembers last night, so that means that boxing can begin and you should see them listed/available on the Holley website by the end of the week. You can start calling and bugging Summit, Jegs or any other reseller of Hooker products that you choose to buy them from as soon as you see them up if you have a preferred retailer. The header fixtures were just delivered to our manufacturing facility in Mississippi last week, so they will not be available for a minimum of 25-30 days from now. If you need to move forward on your project, you can get the engine and trans mounted up and take care of other things while you are waiting on the headers to become available. I hope this info helps some of you.

Todd

[dondb]

Yeah, hurry up and get those headers Don, so I can see if I want them for my '67.:)


LOL….Your everywhere!

From the update looks like the headers will be ready for our 2014 car season!!

[dondb]

I just gave my final approval on the formatting of the instructions for the Hooker 1st-gen F-body/3rd-gen Nova LS swap engine mount kit and transmission crossmembers last night, so that means that boxing can begin and you should see them listed/available on the Holley website by the end of the week. You can start calling and bugging Summit, Jegs or any other reseller of Hooker products that you choose to buy them from as soon as you see them up if you have a preferred retailer. The header fixtures were just delivered to our manufacturing facility in Mississippi last week, so they will not be available for a minimum of 25-30 days from now. If you need to move forward on your project, you can get the engine and trans mounted up and take care of other things while you are waiting on the headers to become available. I hope this info helps some of you.

Todd

Thanks for the update Todd. This will be very helpful as the headers will be last to install anyway. Plus living up here in New England we won't have our cars out for another 4+ months:( Wouldn't the whole kit be less expensive versus buying them separately? Maybe some how a deal could be worked out when the kit is priced the headers will be adjusted by the difference of the kit when there ready??

[Toddoky]

Thanks for the update Todd. This will be very helpful as the headers will be last to install anyway. Plus living up here in New England we won't have our cars out for another 4+ months:( Wouldn't the whole kit be less expensive versus buying them separately? Maybe some how a deal could be worked out when the kit is priced the headers will be adjusted by the difference of the kit when there ready??

Although all the components have been designed as a complete package, the parts are all sold individually due to the high magnitude of header style, diameter, material and finish options that would make it impossible to produce a kit for each and every possible combination of parts chosen by users. Throw in the various transmission crossmembers and adapters to accomodate all the transmissions we do and the scope of possible kit part numbers gets downright rediculous quickly.

What this means to you, is that you only need to decide what transmission crossmember (12625HKR for 4L60-75 automatics or 12626HKR for T56/T56 Magnum transmissions (also installs a 2004R or TH400 transmission with a coming adapter kit) you need based on your transmission of choice and then combine it with the single set of Hooker engine mounts available for this application(12618HKR) to get your engine and trans mounted.

Once that is accomplished, you need to decide on whether you want to run mid-length or long-tube headers with 1-3/4" or 1-7/8" primaries and whether you want them in mild steel (painted or ceramic finish) or stainless steel material and then order the appropriate part number...easy cheesy.



Hope this helps.

Todd

[dondb]

Although all the components have been designed as a complete package, the parts are all sold individually due to the high magnitude of header style, diameter, material and finish options that would make it impossible to produce a kit for each and every possible combination of parts chosen by users. Throw in the various transmission crossmembers and adapters to accomodate all the transmissions we do and the scope of possible kit part numbers gets downright rediculous quickly.

What this means to you, is that you only need to decide what transmission crossmember (12625HKR for 4L60-75 automatics or 12626HKR for T56/T56 Magnum transmissions (also installs a 2004R or TH400 transmission with a coming adapter kit) you need based on your transmission of choice and then combine it with the single set of Hooker engine mounts available for this application(12618HKR) to get your engine and trans mounted.

Once that is accomplished, you need to decide on whether you want to run mid-length or long-tube headers with 1-3/4" or 1-7/8" primaries and whether you want them in mild steel (painted or ceramic finish) or stainless steel material and then order the appropriate part number...easy cheesy.



Hope this helps.

Todd

Yes it does…..thanks for the clarification. As soon as i see them available, i'll be purchasing the kit for my swap.

[Aussie]

Having seen some postings on various Forums on the new Holley 302-2 oil pan, am I right in thinking that this can't be used on a stroker?
I was looking at this pan for my 416 ci LS3 in 68 Camaro

[Toddoky]

Having seen some postings on various Forums on the new Holley 302-2 oil pan, am I right in thinking that this can't be used on a stroker?
I was looking at this pan for my 416 ci LS3 in 68 Camaro

No, it will not clear a 4" stroke crankshaft. The existing 302-1 Holley pan was developed precisely for such types of applications and allows you to run any stroke and/or windage tray combination you can think up. To use it in a 1st-gen F-body or 3rd-gen Nova in an optimized optimized U-joint working angle situation requires that you notch the engine crossmember however.

[32deucecoupe]

Do you have a part number for the motor mounts yet?

[Toddoky]

Do you have a part number for the motor mounts yet?

Yes, the part number for the 1st-gen F-body/3rd-gen Nova is 12618HKR.

[mikeextrafast]

Has anyone use this oil pan with a tru turn system?

[69L48Z27]

Todd,

I see all the part numbers for mounts, pans, and cross members. However, I'm having a difficult time finding the header part numbers. Do you have a link to them or would you mind posting part numbers for the full length ones pictured in this thread? The ones that tuck way up in...

Thx!

[kirt70camaro]

Will there be a crossmember for a 4l80e transmission available?

[Toddoky]

Will there be a crossmember for a 4l80e transmission available?

Not immediately, but I would suspect that you will see something become available in the Spring to accommodate that beast.

[dondb]

Received my oil pan…be prepared to mod your windage tray or buy the one recommended in the instructions. I had to buy a new oil pan gasket…so i bought a new f-body windage tray at the same time. The mod to they tray is easy but i was unsure modding could possibly compromise it's function? Off subject…while i have the pan off and windage tray is there anything i should check or do?

[69L48Z27]

Todd,

I see all the part numbers for mounts, pans, and cross members. However, I'm having a difficult time finding the header part numbers. Do you have a link to them or would you mind posting part numbers for the full length ones pictured in this thread? The ones that tuck way up in...

Thx!

I think I found it:

HOOKERTM LS swap mid-length headers (2473HKR & 2474HKR), and full-length headers (2275HKR & 2276HKR) will all allow the use of the stock A/C evaporator case on the firewall, when installed with these HOOKERTM LS engine swap mounting brackets

[Toddoky]

That's it.

[jaycoy65]

when will headers and motor mount be ready??

[Toddoky]

when will headers and motor mount be ready??

The mounts and transmission crossmembers are available now, the headers will become available in January once production gets fired up again following the holiday break.

[69L48Z27]

Todd,

Regarding the motor mounts, what manufacturer and part number did you use?

[sixgunsuperman99]

Todd,

I have the oil pan, mid tubes, motor and trans mounts on the way... Do you know if the mounts will allow a truck intake manifold to fit under the stock hood on a 3rd gen Nova? I've seen mixed results on here and LS1tech of 3rd genners being able to fit that intake using various other mounts.

[Toddoky]

Todd,

I have the oil pan, mid tubes, motor and trans mounts on the way... Do you know if the mounts will allow a truck intake manifold to fit under the stock hood on a 3rd gen Nova? I've seen mixed results on here and LS1tech of 3rd genners being able to fit that intake using various other mounts.

I can't say for certain either way sixgunsuperman99, as there was no attempt made to fit one up during the development of the Hooker components. One thing I can say is that you will be more likely to do so than anyone who has done the swap with swap plates since the Hooker clamshell mount set-up positions the engine lower in the chassis than any combination of frame stands/old school mounts and swap plates will. The use of the Hooker engine mounts and trans crossmember will provide a 3 degree engine/trans inclination angle, optimized U-joint angles and enough clearance under the tunnel to install any GM automatic without cutting, except that 6L90 pig. Installing a T56 or T56 Magnum will require modifications to the tunnel sheetmetal to clear the top of the transmission.

[sixgunsuperman99]

I can't say for certain either way sixgunsuperman99, as there was no attempt made to fit one up during the development of the Hooker components. One thing I can say is that you will be more likely to do so than anyone who has done the swap with swap plates since the Hooker clamshell mount set-up positions the engine lower in the chassis than any combination of frame stands/old school mounts and swap plates will. The use of the Hooker engine mounts and trans crossmember will provide a 3 degree engine/trans inclination angle, optimized U-joint angles and enough clearance under the tunnel to install any GM automatic without cutting, except that 6L90 pig. Installing a T56 or T56 Magnum will require modifications to the tunnel sheetmetal to clear the top of the transmission.

Thanks Todd. Hopefully I'll have good news when I go to try it.

[Toddoky]

Thanks Todd. Hopefully I'll have good news when I go to try it.
Please let me know what you discover in that regard. Make sure you purchase/use standard clamshell mounts (like Anchor brand part number 2292) for your install; the factory "high performance" style replacement mounts will not work.

[69L48Z27]

Todd,

Regarding the motor mounts, what manufacturer and part number did you use?

Todd,

Missed this this question.... Thx.

[Toddoky]

Todd,

Missed this this question.... Thx.
My appologies, the clamshells used in development were Anchor 2292 mounts.

[dondb]

Finally received my new windage tray that is supposedly needed to install the new pick up tube with out modification. The windage tray is the same one i had in my 04 LQ9, but i tried anyway to install the pick up tube…..nope. The flange will not fit flush on the pump flange square without modifications. All the modification needs to take place here, 5 and 1/4 inches long.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/01/IMG_0354-1.jpg (http://s302.photobucket.com/user/35TH-LE/media/IMG_0354.jpg.html)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/01/IMG_0356-1.jpg (http://s302.photobucket.com/user/35TH-LE/media/IMG_0356.jpg.html)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/01/IMG_0350-1.jpg (http://s302.photobucket.com/user/35TH-LE/media/IMG_0350.jpg.html)

So save your money and just cut were you need to cut….anyone need a new windage tray?

[dondb]

Then went on to dry fit oil pan…a no go, even after the pick up tube mod. So i go back to Holleys web site and look at their instructions, they added to them for the 302-2 oil pan. You need to cut off the front of the windage tray 4 1/2" so the windage tray can fit under the narrow part of the pan. here is what it looks like:https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/01/IMG_0362-1.jpg (http://s302.photobucket.com/user/35TH-LE/media/IMG_0362.jpg.html)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/01/IMG_0363-1.jpg (http://s302.photobucket.com/user/35TH-LE/media/IMG_0363.jpg.html)

and the pan will sit flush now:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/01/IMG_0364-1.jpg (http://s302.photobucket.com/user/35TH-LE/media/IMG_0364.jpg.html)

[jaycoy65]

ordered my pan from jegs on 12-21 and stopp hasnt been shipped... are they backordered?

[jaycoy65]

i ordered my pan on 12-21 and it still hasnt shipped.. i contacted jegs and Holley and Holley says they are on back order till sometime in feb!!! because of soemthing to do with the cast!! i know there was people compalining about burrs on the pan and the windage trays not fitting.. Does Holley have a fix for the windage tray or were just suspose to cut it??

[Toddoky]

i ordered my pan on 12-21 and it still hasnt shipped.. i contacted jegs and Holley and Holley says they are on back order till sometime in feb!!! because of soemthing to do with the cast!! i know there was people compalining about burrs on the pan and the windage trays not fitting.. Does Holley have a fix for the windage tray or were just suspose to cut it??

Hey jaycoy65. The pans are on back-order because we sold out of the first production run inventory very quickly. The reference you got regarding the casting is that we are merely waiting on the castings to arrive from our supplier so that we can machine them here in our Bowling Green, KY facility. You can use a 4th-gen F-body windage tray with the new Holley pan by performing a simple notching operation to it or cut any other LS windage tray to the same length/dimensions.

[Corey R.]

Hi Todd -

I am considering a LS-swap into my 1st gen Camaro. It is currently at stock height. I would also like to lower it using the Hotchkis 2 inch lowering coil springs in the front and their lowering leaf set in the back. Will lowering have any effect on the drive train angle you have been mentioning? Should I do the spring swap prior to setting the engine in, or is it OK to do it after the car is up and running?

Thanks,

Corey

[Toddoky]

Hi Todd -

I am considering a LS-swap into my 1st gen Camaro. It is currently at stock height. I would also like to lower it using the Hotchkis 2 inch lowering coil springs in the front and their lowering leaf set in the back. Will lowering have any effect on the drive train angle you have been mentioning? Should I do the spring swap prior to setting the engine in, or is it OK to do it after the car is up and running?

Thanks,

Corey

Lowering your car will have a definate affect on your U-joint working angles, which in turn may require you to shim/adjust your transmission tail mount and/or your rear pinion to provide proper operational angles of your U-joints. The inclination angle provided by the Hooker mounting components (3 degrees with a level subframe reference)will tolerate much more suspension lowering than any of the other installations out there running up to 5 degrees inclination angle or more (again with the level subframe reference). You can do your spring swap at anytime before or after the LS swap, just check your U-joint angles after you do to see where you are at.

[jaycoy65]

when will these oil pans be shipped out again?? i have had mine on order for 3 weeks now

[sixgunsuperman99]

when will these oil pans be shipped out again?? i have had mine on order for 3 weeks now

I'm in the same boat... Ordered mine directly from Holley.

[jaycoy65]

just got a email from JEGS that these are on backorder and will not be shipped till FEB 28!!!! clearly there must have been a prob with the first batch of pans or something to go on back order for over 2 months!!!

[silo84]

Talked to summit today said they should ship mid February, ordered mine mid December. Hurry up and wait.

[Chevy Kid]

Ordered mine 1st week of Dec., received it before Christmas. Be patient guys, it's a nice piece.

[sebtarta]

What is this?! 2276-1HKR (http://www.holleyparts.com/2276-1HKR.asp) 1 7/8" Primary Tubes Ceramic Finish.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

They look so nice, but I am faaaaaar away from test fitting everything. :(
I might use the Legos in the green box to finish the swap. Should hold everything in place.

[jaycoy65]

toddoky does the use of the engine mounts allow us to run the alt in the stock lower mount position?? if not what is recommended? notch subframe?

[sebtarta]

toddoky does the use of the engine mounts allow us to run the alt in the stock lower mount position?? if not what is recommended? notch subframe?

What car are you talking about? Might help him or others answer your question.

[jaycoy65]

yes it would lol!!! thanks!! 1968 camaro


What car are you talking about? Might help him or others answer your question.

[Toddoky]

toddoky does the use of the engine mounts allow us to run the alt in the stock lower mount position?? if not what is recommended? notch subframe?

Yes jaycoy65, if you want to run a 4th-gen F-body low mount alternator then you'll have to provide a clearance notch in your subframe to do so.

[32deucecoupe]

For the 1968 camaro motor plates part #12618HKR, does anyone know who is distributing these. I have found the other items for sale on jegs or summit, but not the mounts themselves. Any help is appreciated. Thanks ahead of time.

[paulk68]

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hok-12618hkr/overview/

[32deucecoupe]

Thanks, I swear I looked there, but my have mis typed the part number. Thank again.

[rchaskin]

Has anyone use this oil pan with a tru turn system?

Back to the top for this question.......

[regal454]

Randy,

I don't think the RideTech Tru Turn is compatible with the new 302-2 Holley pan. It is compatible with the older style 302-1 pan. See the thread below Todd posted on LS1 tech:

http://m.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?p=18030680&styleid=27

[rchaskin]

Thanks Mark.

I dont go there all that often......

[Toddoky]

Randy,

I don't think the RideTech Tru Turn is compatible with the new 302-2 Holley pan. It is compatible with the older style 302-1 pan. See the thread below Todd posted on LS1 tech:

http://m.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?p=18030680&styleid=27

Just to be clear for everyone, it is not believed the new 302-2 Holley pan will be compatible with the TruTurn system when used on an LS engine that was installed using the newly released Hooker engine mounting kit, since the bracket kit positions the engine more forward of the firewall than the older Hooker swap plates did (they put the engine about 1/4" away from the firewall). If you are using the older Hooker swap plates, or any other brand of swap plates that locates the engine in the same extreme rearward position then the new 302-2 pan will work with the TruTurn parts...it all depends in how you use it.

[cwylie]

So I think I am one of the first to get this combo installed. It all went pretty smoothly for the most part. The ridetech tru turn clears the oil pan by a hair on the passenger side. The drivers side has an 1/8 inch or so between the steering the oil pan. There is a small interference with the passenger tie rod and the header. Im working through how to solve that. A dimple in the header would do it I just have not brought myself to it yet. Other than that the holley/hooker setup works well and with stock steering it would all fit like a glove. The steering box clearance is killer and the ground clearance is as well. The engine sits very low in the subframe and I have a ton of clearance between the transmission and tunnel with a T56.

Thanks Todd for always responding to my emails very quickly and answering all my annoying ass questions. Your customer service has been great and because of that I am really leaning towards the Holley EFI system when it comes time for the ECU.

[paulk68]

I am really excited to hear you are having succes with this new set up AND the tru turn system.

[rickpaw]

Looks like the ground clearance is spot on. I'll be sure to use this set up on my next project.

How's the clearance between #2 tube and the rear upper a-arm mounting bolt?

[cwylie]

Tons of room at the upper a-arms.

[Toddoky]

So I think I am one of the first to get this combo installed. It all went pretty smoothly for the most part. The ridetech tru turn clears the oil pan by a hair on the passenger side. The drivers side has an 1/8 inch or so between the steering the oil pan. There is a small interference with the passenger tie rod and the header. Im working through how to solve that. A dimple in the header would do it I just have not brought myself to it yet. Other than that the holley/hooker setup works well and with stock steering it would all fit like a glove. The steering box clearance is killer and the ground clearance is as well. The engine sits very low in the subframe and I have a ton of clearance between the transmission and tunnel with a T56.

Thanks Todd for always responding to my emails very quickly and answering all my annoying ass questions. Your customer service has been great and because of that I am really leaning towards the Holley EFI system when it comes time for the ECU.

I'm glad to see everything coming together for you so nicely cwylie. The assistance was gladly given as I see it as one of the highlights of my job here. If you choose to go with the Holley EFI system, I can guarantee you will be impressed with it as there is another great group of people at Holley that have worked as passionately on that product line to make it what it is as I do on the Hooker side of things. If you need any other assistance just let me know.

[67rally]

Nice looking setup cwylie!

[jaycoy65]

anyone have a pic of the frame notch u have to make to make for the alt to clear the frame??

[jaycoy65]

Anyone??

[Toddoky]

Anyone??
Hey jaycoy65, I think you're going to have to just get in there and mock it up to see as these components haven't been on the market long enough to establish a reliable user base of information yet. I remember noting during the development of the kit that the degree of notching necessary to fit the stock 4th-gen F-body alternator would not have to be very large; I didn't have the opportunity to execute the notch personally as the car was on loan from someone who was not going to be running a low-mount alternator in his finished swap.

[jaycoy65]

ok.. ill update pics pics and info once notch is complete..


Hey jaycoy65, I think you're going to have to just get in there and mock it up to see as these components haven't been on the market long enough to establish a reliable user base of information yet. I remember noting during the development of the kit that the degree of notching necessary to fit the stock 4th-gen F-body alternator would not have to be very large; I didn't have the opportunity to execute the notch personally as the car was on loan from someone who was not going to be running a low-mount alternator in his finished swap.

[nats68]

I ordered all the parts for my LS conversion and finally got them installed. Trans. mount cross member, engine mounts, oil pan and headers. Everything fit perfect and is all very high quality. I love the ground clearance you get with these headers.
I also ordered the exhaust system but have to wait a while before I'm ready to install that.

[Toddoky]

I ordered all the parts for my LS conversion and finally got them installed. Trans. mount cross member, engine mounts, oil pan and headers. Everything fit perfect and is all very high quality. I love the ground clearance you get with these headers.
I also ordered the exhaust system but have to wait a while before I'm ready to install that.

I'm glad to hear of your positive experience with all your new Hooker/Holley parts nats68. I would really like to receive some photos of your car/installation so I can put them up on our website in a gallery we are going to be creating. Let me know if you can help me out in that regard.

Todd

[nats68]

I'm glad to hear of your positive experience with all your new Hooker/Holley parts nats68. I would really like to receive some photos of your car/installation so I can put them up on our website in a gallery we are going to be creating. Let me know if you can help me out in that regard.

Todd

No problem Todd. As soon as I get them on my computer I will email you some. I will post some here also.

[sebtarta]

Todd i should be installing the engine/trans in this weekend I hope. Once that is done the exhaust will be installed as well. So i will send you pictures once everything is installed and also showing how they clear the Hotchkis rear sway bar.

[Toddoky]

Todd i should be installing the engine/trans in this weekend I hope. Once that is done the exhaust will be installed as well. So i will send you pictures once everything is installed and also showing how they clear the Hotchkis rear sway bar.

Thanks Sebastian. If you run into any compatibility issues with the overaxle pipes of the exhaust system and the Hotchkis sway bar, I might be able to work with you to come up with a custom modification/fix I can execute for you here in the shop. I've done similar things for other members here before and won't mind doing the same for you.

[jaycoy65]

NO need to notch the subframe to run the alternator in the stock low mount position.. Got mine installed by just not using the rear alternator bracket and trimming the drain tube on the alternator.. :)

[Toddoky]

NO need to notch the subframe to run the alternator in the stock low mount position.. Got mine installed by just not using the rear alternator bracket and trimming the drain tube on the alternator.. :)

Just so everyone is clear jaycoy65, are you using an F-body alternator/accessory drive or the GTO set-up? This is important to clarify as the GTO alternator is larger and has a higher amperage output than the F-body alternator. Can you post up a few photos?

Thanks

[jaycoy65]

Yes stock f-body.. What's ur email and I'll email it to u. I'm on my cell phone and don't know how to post pics from here.. Or email me [email protected]

[jaycoy65]

U get the pics?

[Toddoky]

U get the pics?

Yes I did, thanks for the forward. When you get around your car next time can you take a photo of the clearance between the alternator and the engine bracket for me? I want to see if I can possibly design a replacement rear bracket for the alternator. Your engine is looking real good in your car.

Todd

[jaycoy65]

ya when i get back to the shop this weekend.. in my opinion the rear bracket isnt needed.. ive ran them before without it.. its more of a stabilizer but its solid without it. i should have everything done with exhaust over the weekend then ill get more pics







Yes I did, thanks for the forward. When you get around your car next time can you take a photo of the clearance between the alternator and the engine bracket for me? I want to see if I can possibly design a replacement rear bracket for the alternator. Your engine is looking real good in your car.

Todd

[paulk68]

Does anyone have this complete system up and running? i would love to hear how the exhaust sounds.

[Toddoky]

Does anyone have this complete system up and running? i would love to hear how the exhaust sounds.

Paul, search youtube for videos of the LS7 engine swap that the Roadkill crew performed on the Crusher Camaro live at the PRI Show this past December. They used the whole Hooker/Holley package, including the exhaust system, to do the swap. There are 3 episodes that cover the swap and you will find drag strip runs and burnouts galore in the final episode. That the best place I can steer you at the moment.

[paulk68]

Paul, search youtube for videos of the LS7 engine swap that the Roadkill crew performed on the Crusher Camaro live at the PRI Show this past December. They used the whole Hooker/Holley package, including the exhaust system, to do the swap. There are 3 episodes that cover the swap and you will find drag strip runs and burnouts galore in the final episode. That the best place I can steer you at the moment.


copy that, I will check it out for sure. Also thank you for all the quick responses you post on this set up it is very much appreciated!!!

[rchaskin]

........search youtube for videos of the LS7 engine swap that the Roadkill crew performed ............

I don't remember them revving the motor at all in that episode...........:hammer::hammer::hammer:

[Toddoky]

copy that, I will check it out for sure. Also thank you for all the quick responses you post on this set up it is very much appreciated!!!

No problem, glad to be able to help.

[Toddoky]

I don't remember them revving the motor at all in that episode...........:hammer::hammer::hammer:
The runs down the drag strip are quite a ways towards the end of episode 3.

[nats68]

Here's a pic of the passenger side header.

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[nats68]

Drivers side header. It looks tight but I can get my hand between the header and the steering box.

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[nats68]

View of drivers side header from underneath.

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[Ls1camaro69]

I ordered all the parts for my LS conversion and finally got them installed. Trans. mount cross member, engine mounts, oil pan and headers. Everything fit perfect and is all very high quality. I love the ground clearance you get with these headers.
I also ordered the exhaust system but have to wait a while before I'm ready to install that.

I also used all of the same parts on my 69 Camaro and agree 100%. I just finished installing the Hooker 3" stainless exhaust system too! It bolted up pretty easily and I didn't have any trouble with it. Todd, If you would like some pictures I can e-mail to you also.

[whytry]

I also used all of the same parts on my 69 Camaro and agree 100%. I just finished installing the Hooker 3" stainless exhaust system too! It bolted up pretty easily and I didn't have any trouble with it. Todd, If you would like some pictures I can e-mail to you also.


Did you guys order all through Summit? Or someplace else?

Is there a parts list compiled or even a all on 1 part number kit to order? I finally got my motor and its start the fun part!!

[Toddoky]

I also used all of the same parts on my 69 Camaro and agree 100%. I just finished installing the Hooker 3" stainless exhaust system too! It bolted up pretty easily and I didn't have any trouble with it. Todd, If you would like some pictures I can e-mail to you also.

I absolutely would like some photos of your car/install. Incidentally, I just had a 69 1st-gen in the shop for the first time and discovered that the rear tailpipe hanger attachment points are different than where they are located on a 67 or 68 model year car. The proper rear tailpipe hangers for your car are actually the same as what is used on the 69-72 Nova. If you want a set of those hangers to achieve the fit as intended by design, just send me a PM with your shipping address and I'm get them sent out to you.

Todd

[Derek@ModernSpeed]

Did you guys order all through Summit? Or someplace else?

Is there a parts list compiled or even a all on 1 part number kit to order? I finally got my motor and its start the fun part!!
Brad I'm a dealer for all Holley Brands. If you (or anyone else) is in the market for Holley products, I'll be happy to beat summits price. Thanks-Derek.