Issues with lsx swap combo.

[69greyghost]

Hey guys, I am having my issues with some of the parts chosen for my lsx swap. First off the car is a 69 camaro. The motor is an ls1 t56 combo. Here are the parts I have chosen are psi harness, LUK gold series clutch, Dynatech headers, dirty dingo mounting plates, energy suspension urethane motor mounts, and the holly lsx swap oil pan. The mechanic helping me with the install has told me that due to the oil pan I have the motor mounts and headers, I talked to my buddy and he told me that all I need to do is get the taller engine frame mounts and this will eleviate the issue at hand. That almost sounds to good to be true I even called summit to see if this was factual and they said there were some difference in the 327 engine frame mount vs the 350 mounts and they confirmed that there were two different frame mounts. I also found this link http://www.pozziracing.com/camaro_engine.htm that suggests the same thing. My buddy said he used all these parts I have except with a 4l60e and I guess the question is are the frame mounts different in height, 327 350? Should this make a difference at all? I ordered the mounts already from summit but I guess I am trying to ease my mind is all really. Thanks in advance guys, if I left out something I apologize, I am a lil frantic and hoping this is just my mechanics unfamiliarity with the some of the parts I chose.

[IMPALA MAN]

Everyone should read this. No wonder we have so many clearance issues no one can seem to figure out?
Scroll down once the link opens
http://www.camaros.org/engine.shtml

[Z06vet]

You should be ok with the tall/narrow frame stands. Just make sure you get the narrow mounts to go with them. I have used the short/wide stands & mounts on several swaps. With the holley pan I use one thick grade 8 washer under the stands. (3 for each stand, 6 total for both) On one ocassion I had to use 2 on the lower side to get better alignment for the thru bolts. Raising the tailshaft of the trans as high as possible also helps with header & pan clearance. If the car will be lowered, this will most likely also help with pinion angle bewtween the trans & rear end.

[Toddoky]

Hey guys, I am having my issues with some of the parts chosen for my lsx swap. First off the car is a 69 camaro. The motor is an ls1 t56 combo. Here are the parts I have chosen are psi harness, LUK gold series clutch, Dynatech headers, dirty dingo mounting plates, energy suspension urethane motor mounts, and the holly lsx swap oil pan. The mechanic helping me with the install has told me that due to the oil pan I have the motor mounts and headers, I talked to my buddy and he told me that all I need to do is get the taller engine frame mounts and this will eleviate the issue at hand. That almost sounds to good to be true I even called summit to see if this was factual and they said there were some difference in the 327 engine frame mount vs the 350 mounts and they confirmed that there were two different frame mounts. I also found this link http://www.pozziracing.com/camaro_engine.htm that suggests the same thing. My buddy said he used all these parts I have except with a 4l60e and I guess the question is are the frame mounts different in height, 327 350? Should this make a difference at all? I ordered the mounts already from summit but I guess I am trying to ease my mind is all really. Thanks in advance guys, if I left out something I apologize, I am a lil frantic and hoping this is just my mechanics unfamiliarity with the some of the parts I chose.

Hey Greyghost, you are probably too deep into your project for this to be useful information to you but the new Holley oil pan coming out soon and the the new Hooker LS swap engine mounts, transmission crossmembers, headers and exhaust systems that were designed to capitalize on the pan's geometry are far better suited to this application and offer hassle-free drop-in installation. The attached front-end view photo shows the nature of the retrofit clamshell design engine mounts (no drilling required) and barely the front edge of the new pan, which was designed to be 1-1/4" lower in the front than the existing pan specifically for these types of applications. The engine mounts are shown installed in a 3rd-gen Nova, but the fitment is the same in a 1st-gen F-body. The side angle image is what you can expect in terms of ground clearance with the full Hooker system installed and was taken on a 1968 Camaro we had in the shop during development.

[spacepirate]

Holy crap! That is tucked up nice! Please keep us posted when this makes it to market!!

[Toddoky]

Holy crap! That is tucked up nice! Please keep us posted when this makes it to market!!

Thanks for noticing. There was a TON of effort and development dollars spent on this application to benefit you 1st-gen F-body/3rd-gen Nova swappers. Keep in mind that the headers you see here are 1-7/8" primaries and the exhaust system is 3" tubing...the 2.5" system is just about even with the bottom of the subframe and almost invisible. The headers, engine mounts and transmission crossmembers are scheduled for release just around the SEMA show and the oil pan and exhaust systems will follow behind them. I will definitely keep everyone here posted.

[Z06vet]

package price please :)
Scott

[Toddoky]

package price please :)
Scott

Hey Scott. The components will be sold by us as individually to allow someone to combine them as desired for their needs. There's just too many possible combinations of parts for us to give each a part number and stock them all. Consider this...there will be 1-3/4" and 1-7/8" mid-length headers (available in a painted finish as well as 2 colors of ceramic), 1-3/4" and 1-7/8" long-tube headers (available in a painted finish, 2 colors of ceramic and stainless steel) two transmission crossmembers and 2 sizes of exhaust systems. Having said that, I'm sure our resellers will find ways to create packages for their customers.

[67rally]

Hey Scott. The components will be sold by us as individually to allow someone to combine them as desired for their needs. There's just too many possible combinations of parts for us to give each a part number and stock them all. Consider this...there will be 1-3/4" and 1-7/8" mid-length headers (available in a painted finish as well as 2 colors of ceramic), 1-3/4" and 1-7/8" long-tube headers (available in a painted finish, 2 colors of ceramic and stainless steel) two transmission crossmembers and 2 sizes of exhaust systems. Having said that, I'm sure our resellers will find ways to create packages for their customers.

Not trying to bust your balls (too much), but you have posted this info in several threads, on several forums and you keep mentioning that all of your new components are meant to work together and not mix and match with other company's products.

Initially I was interested in your headers because of how tight they tuck, but then you mentioned you needed to run them with your new oil pan, engine mounts, and trans x-member. I lost interest since I didn't want to go and swap out my 4 month old oil pan, engine mounts and x-member.

If you truly need to use only the new Holley components for them to work, and if they were designed specifically for the 1st gen Camaro, then it shouldn't be that hard to put together a package and sell it at a bit of a discount. Just my .02.

[Toddoky]

Not trying to bust your balls (too much), but you have posted this info in several threads, on several forums and you keep mentioning that all of your new components are meant to work together and not mix and match with other company's products.

Initially I was interested in your headers because of how tight they tuck, but then you mentioned you needed to run them with your new oil pan, engine mounts, and trans x-member. I lost interest since I didn't want to go and swap out my 4 month old oil pan, engine mounts and x-member.

If you truly need to use only the new Holley components for them to work, and if they were designed specifically for the 1st gen Camaro, then it shouldn't be that hard to put together a package and sell it at a bit of a discount. Just my .02.

Hey 67rally, I truly appreciate your feedback and don't take it as "ball busting". Yes, I currently follow and post on several forums as I like to reach out with information whenever I see folks struggling with issues that I have the capacity to assist with.

I fully understand that folks such as yourself that have already commited to using a certain collection of parts will find this information less valuable than someone in the planning stages of their swap project.

Hooker/Holley will highly recommend using the Hooker engine mounts and transmission crossmembers to install the upcoming Hooker headers and exhaust systems and the new Holley pan for this application as it's the only way to ensure compatibility and proper alignment of all the components involved. If someone chooses to use another brand of transmission crossmember, we have no way of knowing what engine inclination angle they will end up with or whether the clearance for exhaust routing designed into it will allow installation of the Hooker exhaust system without interference issues..an easy way for a customer service nightmare to develop.

Conversely, if someone chooses to use another brand of engine mounts we have no way of knowing if the bend geometry of the headers will be compatible with the mounts and the steering box, as the installed engine height and fore/aft location provided be the clamshell-style Hooker engine mounts is quite unique and allows us to split the tubes around the steering box to avoid the current clearance issues in that area that many users are still having to this day.

Will some people have success installing our headers with other engine mounts and crossmembers? I'm sure they will, but there's no way to maintain full system compatibility once you venture off into custom applications of that nature. There's a mutitude of components on the market already that can be used to facilitate the typical mix-and-match type of installations that have been going on for years on these cars now, so we decided to go a different route and provide something that has not been available to this point, and that is a fully engineered solution to this swap that takes the majority of the guess work, head scratching and cursing out of the experience and provides a better end -result in terms of component and ground clearance and working U-joint angles.

Your recommendation to offer kits is something I take seriously and will pass it along to the sales group for further discussion and consideration.

Thanks again for providing your valued feedback,

Todd

[69greyghost]

I got the taller stands and its still not enough, honestly guys its looking like I may have to sell the holly oil pan and go with the autokraft pan. I guess the holley is for sale now.

[Toddoky]

I got the taller stands and its still not enough, honestly guys its looking like I may have to sell the holly oil pan and go with the autokraft pan. I guess the holley is for sale now.
I think your making a decision you'll be happier with in the end greyghost as it's far easier to start with a pan that fits the car well than to make the car fit the pan.