Which to get?Art Morrison,Detroit speed or chassis works subframe and rear ?

[Bmf5150]

Ok out of the art Morrison, the Detroit speed and chassis works front subframe and rear suspension which do you guys think is the best??best designed easy install??best bang for the buck..just wana get your guys opinions!!

[spacepirate]

Wow that's a tough one. I would throw Speed Tech in there as well.

[Schwartz Performance]

We make a bolt in full length chassis for these as well!

-Dale

[Bmf5150]

I'm really liking the roadster shop full chassis, very nice!!

[parsonsj]

Price range? Vehicle? Intended use? Self-install? Build time?

There's no such thing as "the best" or "best bang for the buck" until you work out all those requirements, and more.

[Bmf5150]

68 camaro, price range open...I'm leaning towards the roadster shop

[Carl @ Chassisworks]

Hi Bmf5150, Well, if your price range is open then you can do pretty much anything. Chassisworks has two primary options, each with a lot of flexibility.

Option 1-
The Catalog Car - Our NoFab bolt-on front clip made from all new Chassisworks designed and manufacturered components paired with a gLink canted 4-bar rear suspension system. Options include five rotor sizes, more calipers, non/single/double/quadruple adjustable coilovers, and on and on. Can run a 285 front on a stock '69 if you roll the fender a bit and a 335 in back with a mini-tub.
Like This Car: http://www.cachassisworks.com/cac_testimonials_LittlefiledCamaro.html

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/07/Camaro69_LittlefieldCustoms_autocross01a-1.jpg

Or there is Option 2-
The New Standard- Fully integrated gStreet chassis system. Unlike many of our competitors 'full frame' systems you GAIN headroom with our gStreet package. Includes the complete front and rear suspension with single adjustable coilovers standard, new floor/tunnel/trans mount, 6-point roll bar, Chassisworks billet unit-bearing upright, threaded bump-steer adjusters, adjustable rate splined anti-roll bar, double adjustable upper a-arms, and your choice of three different rear suspension systems. You have options for brakes, a FAB9™ housing, our new full floater rear end, and shocks just to start. Front tire fitment on this one is a 305 to start and will fit a 345 in back with room to grow.

Like this: http://www.cachassisworks.com/cac_press_67-69Camaro.html

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https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/05/CamaroFrontSuspension_front_STR-1.jpg

[Build-It-Break-It]

Geez, beautiful craftsmanship.I have about $6500 for front and rear suspension total. If I had deeper pockets chassisworks option 2 would be on my 68 Camaro..... Beautiful work

[Carl @ Chassisworks]

Geez, beautiful craftsmanship.I have about $6500 for front and rear suspension total. If I had deeper pockets chassisworks option 2 would be on my 68 Camaro..... Beautiful work

THANKS!

We also have bolt-on options for the stock front sub. We can definitely get the front and rear outfitted with that budget. Maybe even upgrade the brakes too! Give me a call.

[Bryce]

I still love that spindle. I will be talking to you at SEMA especially about that spindle.

[Carl @ Chassisworks]

I still love that spindle. I will be talking to you at SEMA especially about that spindle.

The billet upright display sits on a little stainless table right next to my desk. I get/have to drool over it all day. :)

I'm not going to SEMA this year, I'll be in Hawaii with my new bride (who I am convinced planned it this way), but I'm sure Chris will be happy to talk to you about it.

[Bryce]

HAHA, congrats Carl. My wife knows to plan around SEMA.

[Build-It-Break-It]

Hey Carl, will you guys ever do a YouTube video or show your rear g link in action? Id like to see it get beat up on, show what it can do. The capabilities guess.

[BMR Sales]

Geez, beautiful craftsmanship.I have about $6500 for front and rear suspension total. If I had deeper pockets chassisworks option 2 would be on my 68 Camaro..... Beautiful work


We can easily set you up with a complete suspension for well under that budget:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/05/6769framenobackground-1.jpg (http://s1103.photobucket.com/user/BMR-Suspension/media/67%2069%20F%20body/67-69framenobackground.jpg.html)

Here is a VERY informative tech article written by our R&D manager explaining what it does:
http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/tech/chassis/suspension_steering/1206chp_torque_arm_suspension_systems/

The guys at V8TV recently shot a great install and results video of our kit on a customers 71 Firebird:
http://youtu.be/NRKGqDRSLgc

Here is a video of a customer who got 2nd place in Street Machine Class at Kansas Good Guys last Summer. He was running air over shocks built for ride quality not performance and had not adjusted the roll center via Watt’s Link….. he should be able to cut some major time off just by addressing these issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf9qK5GLD-Q&feature=relmfu


Here is a install article that Super Chevy did a few years back:
http://www.superchevy.com/technical/chassis/suspension_steering/sucp_1111_bmr_rear_suspension_install_strong_arm/



We offer a Torque Arm kit for the stock GM 10 & 12 bolt rear differentials and a kit for guys who want a Ford 9". The Ford 9” kit includes a bare Strange housing for $600 more than the 10 & 12 bolt kits. Take a look at the link below detailing an install that a Pro-Touring member completed with our Ford 9 in. kit in his 1973 Firebird:

https://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?80483-BMR-Torque-Arm-Installed-on-my-73-Firebird/page2&highlight=TORQUE+ARM


The owner of the 73 Firebird made the following comments to us:

“I've put 4000 miles on it and drive it at every possible opportunity. No track time yet due to other commitments but there is always this spring. I still have to play with the shock settings to soften up the launch, it is just incredible how the car reacts from the factory setup. The rear stays planted no matter if it's in the corners or straights. I've had ZERO issues with the entire setup, I'm EXTREMELY HAPPY with it. I hope to get some auto-x & road course time this spring.”

I still can't thank you all there enough for everything, the kit really changed the car into a ride that I truly enjoy driving.”


Our entire 67-69 suspension system was recently showcased on Two Guys Garage as well:

http://youtu.be/n60dENFWPFY

[Carl @ Chassisworks]

HAHA, congrats Carl. My wife knows to plan around SEMA.
Thanks!


Hey Carl, will you guys ever do a YouTube video or show your rear g link in action? Id like to see it get beat up on, show what it can do. The capabilities guess.

I don't think we'll do any 'official' videos anytime soon as our 'media' department is pretty much me and one other guy and we both have other jobs to do. (I'm on the forums, run the Facebook, and handle the web orders.) We would like to, but there are a lot of other things that take priority.

However, here's a couple videos for you to check out of the Littlefield Camaro (http://www.cachassisworks.com/cac_testimonials_LittlefiledCamaro.html)(Glossy Camaro) from above. Video is from CHP Nat's 2012. This was the third and fourth day running the car and they had the fastest A/X lap both days. Even with brakes that needed to be re-bled. Oh, the car also picked up 'Best of Show' and ran a 12.24 ET at 122 mph.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GdxWZkpK4c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI01EDU9Py0

There's more pictures of that car in the Facebook Album (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.416619768430983.1073741825.360398240719803&type=3).

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[Bmf5150]

The more I'm looking into the subframe a I'm leaning more now to art morrison or Scott mock subframe,both use off the shelf c6 stuff that u can buy easily..I'm afraid with the roadster shop stuff it's all custom made and what happens down the road if u need parts and they are no longer around then your SOL..I think the Scott mock frame is really a great buy!!

[Bmf5150]

Scott mock subframe here


http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=38489

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=39949

[parsonsj]

I'm afraid with the roadster shop stuff it's all custom made and what happens down the road if u need parts and they are no longer around then your SOLI'm not buying that argument. RS stuff will last longer than your car. As will Speedtech, AME, DSE, and other quality manufacturers.

As for using C6 stuff, it has its own set of problems on muscle cars because it was designed for a wider track car with a mono-spring. If you like the Scott Mock stuff, get it, but the idea that you'll have better service options down the road is a secondary reason at best.

[Bmf5150]

It may last but what happens if the car is in an accident and parts are damaged and roadster shop no longer around.. All im saying with using the c6 stuff the parts are available and will be long term!!

[Carl @ Chassisworks]

John Parsons has it right; the Corvette based systems come with their own set of issues. Give me a call and I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have about our products. Chassisworks has been around for going on 26 years. Chris has been making parts in the industry for nearly 40 years. We're not going anywhere.

[Bmf5150]

Carl,can I use my c5 brakes on your subframe??what is your spindal and hubs based off of

[Ketzer]

It may last but what happens if the car is in an accident and parts are damaged and roadster shop no longer around.. All im saying with using the c6 stuff the parts are available and will be long term!!

I don't think you have to worry about the RoadsterShop not being "around". That being said, any of the folks you listed make excellent products. You would be both lucky and happy to have any of their pieces.


Jeff-

[parsonsj]

John Parsons has it right;Carl, I'm forwarding this quote to my wife. :)

And by the way, your new full-frame Camaro chassis is amazing. It will be on my radar next project. Outstanding stuff.

jp

[Bmf5150]

Carl,can I use my c5 brakes on your subframe??what is your spindal and hubs based off of

[Bmf5150]

John , lol....I appreciate all your guys opinions

[Carl @ Chassisworks]

Carl,can I use my c5 brakes on your subframe??what is your spindal and hubs based off of

Our entire system was designed and engineered in house. The spindle is a Chassisworks proprietary piece. It's not a knock-off, or modified reproduction of any factory spindle. High-strength ductile iron, cast exclusively for Chassisworks by a foundry with over 50 years of spindle-making experience, enables excellent strength-to-weight ratio through design flexibility and efficiency not possible with machined or welded designs. Specifically curved surface transitions throughout the integrated steering arm, caliper mount, and upright body were designed using state-of-the-art fi nite element analysis (FEA) software to eliminate stress concentrations while signifi cantly improving strength and durability. They come to us as blanks and are then finish machined in one of our CNC stations. We make the spindle pin itself here at our Sacramento factory.

Because of all this, they will not work with the C5 brakes. However, we do offer six Wilwood based kits that will fit our clip from 11-3/4" to 15" rotors. Baer also makes a kit to fit our steel spindle.

We actually offer two spindles for our system; the traditional steel and our new billet aluminum upright. The billet upright is also a custom made piece. It was engineered using our CAD and suspension modelling software. Timken supplies us with a unit-bearing hub which is significantly larger and more reliable than the common OEM Corvette bearing upgrades.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/08/6186-1.jpg https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/08/57367556_installed_ID-1.jpg

Incidentally, one of the requirements for any of the Corvette based systems to properly function is a negative offset wheel. The stock Corvette track width is way too wide for any '60s muscle car. To me, this is also less than ideal from an aesthetic standpoint but maybe it doesn't matter to everyone.

You can read more about the steel spindle here: https://www.cachassisworks.com/Attachments/DataSheets/g-Spindles_DS_WEB.pdf

[Carl @ Chassisworks]

Carl, I'm forwarding this quote to my wife. :)

And by the way, your new full-frame Camaro chassis is amazing. It will be on my radar next project. Outstanding stuff.

jp

Ha, that's fine. You're too far away for me to get in any REAL trouble.

And Thanks!