Big suprise, I have a complaint

[sinned]

Let me premise by saying in most magazines I would not have caught this because I just look at the pictures, PHR "usually" has it's head on straight so I actually read it.

October issue shows up today (late as usual) and I am reading the readers letters. For those who want to follow along, turn to page 14. Brandon is explaining how his brakes were much cheaper then the Baer kit installed on G28. The writer ( I assume Hunkins) rips into him informing him that his used rotors would be dangerous. Does this mean any car on the track without brand new rotors is in danger? Is Jonny going to buy new rotors after every event? I have done a few brake jobs...Ok a few thousand and have never seen a rotor fail simply based on it's age. [/off-rant]

BTW, before we boast about how our Camaro running Bare brakes(intentional) can out stop a C6 we should be just as quick to point out that the C6 distance is in stock configuration and our 112 feet is with 555R tires.....just a little bit of an advantage.

[Steve1968LS2]

Actually it was NT01 tires.. lol..

I think he meant that the junkyard rotors could be warped or out of spec in some other way or the calipers could need rebuilding. :dunno:

I for one have gotten many good parts from boneyards but it is true that they don't perform as well as new or aftermarket parts..

Personally I am all for used and redone parts when you are on a budget but I also know thier limitations.. Oh, and I don't write that section..

Oh, and that was the October issue you got.. right? Sorta hard to call it late since you got it in August.. ;)

[chicane67]

Ya know, I have a complaint too. If someone uses the term "G28" without the permission of the creator again...... I'm gonna have to open up a can of GWB Whoop @ss.

And by the way......... the stock C6 does 60-0 in 110ft.

[Bill Howell]

There is certainly nothing wrong with used parts. However, whether a used rotor is puchased from a salvage yard, flee market, yard sale or a friend, be sure you understand about minimum thickness and how to use a micrometer(sp?). There is nothing more dangerous than rotors that are less than their minimum thickness and you should not use them even if they were free. You ususally get what you pay for, and there probably is a reason some are cheaper than others.

[Steve1968LS2]

Actually I just re-read it and to say the guy was "ripped into" is not very accurate.. In fact Johnny told the guy that he had a good and thought out system for the street and his budget..

I think Johnny's point was that while either set-up would work fine on the street there was added benefit with the aftermarket (more expensive) system on the track where it would be subjected to much harsher conditions. And this is true. My stock NEW f-body brakes would fade like crazy after a couple of laps at Buttonwillow.. After I put on my Wilwoods I could go lap after lap..

I didn't see Johnny being rude at all to the writer.. Maybe I am just not seeing it but I will ready it once a again in the morning..

The moral of the story is that you can get away with a lot more on the street than you can on the track.. my old '67 was hobbled together from all sorts of used parts but then again it never hit a road track.. This isn't to say that some factory/older parts can't server you well on the track (just look at vintage trans am racers) but the system needs to be well thought out and the parts need to be in top shape.

[Steve1968LS2]

Ya know, I have a complaint too. If someone uses the term "G28" without the permission of the creator again...... I'm gonna have to open up a can of GWB Whoop @ss.

And by the way......... the stock C6 does 60-0 in 110ft.

Actually it is not G28.. it's g-28.. :lol:

Sorry couldn't resist.. besides that name was around long before I was..

[sinned]

Ya know, I have a complaint too. If someone uses the term "G28" without the permission of the creator again...... I'm gonna have to open up a can of GWB Whoop @ss.

And by the way......... the stock C6 does 60-0 in 110ft.
All Jonnys words, not mine. Including the 112foot claim.

[Steve1968LS2]

All Jonnys words, not mine. Including the 112foot claim.

So you still maintain he "ripped" the guy??? lol.. then you are pretty sensitive..

I'm too lazy to type the whole thing but here is part of the comment back to the reader:

"In your case, your combination will give you years of service. We also think you made appropriate and creative choices based on your budget, needs and planned use."

Wow.. that was pretty scathing.. :rotfl:

But seriously.. besides telling the guy that the Baer set-up is going to perform better and more reliably on the track (the truth) how did he "rip the guy"?? (All your words, not mine) ;)

The 112ft "claim" is the truth.. I have no idea what the stopping distance is of a C6 but I imagine it is different in different tests, maybe he saw a test where it stopped in 114ft.. I no clue on that one but 112ft is damn quick, even on R compound tires.

Hmm.. here Car and driver says "stopping distance from 70 mph to a standstill in 166 feet, about the same as the previous car."

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=%208423&page_number=2

Here it says 110ft..

http://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/chevroletc6.html

Here it says 119ft..

http://chevrolet.jbcarpages.com/Corvette/2005/index4.php

Here it says 112ft..

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0402_corvette/index7.html

I think you get the point.. :)

[chicane67]

g28
G28
G-28
G/28
G/2/8
G-2-8
G2-8
G Twenty Eight (and all of its derivatives)

And no Steve........ it wasnt in the media before you got around these parts either.... its all good.

Not pointing fingers at anyone here, especially you Denny. I KNOW, I just know (can I get an AMEN?), that you would have done your homework before making an un-supported statement to the like in a certain unmentioned magazine.

[sinned]

Steve, the "ripped" part was how harshly he replied about using used parts and the dangers associated with it. For a mag to respond with that type of "matter-of-fact" response would make most readers think there really is a risk.

[yody]

Hey guys, you should really try and get along here, I think a round of hugs is in order, I mean lets just all agree that were all pretty special people.......Really though, who cares? what a pointless conversation!

[TonyL]

I still havent gotten my mag yet. I think the mailman stole it.

So I haven't read it. Steve, see if jonny is up to popping in tomorrow to defend himself. But Cody is right, who cares? Denny, you can always email jonny ([email protected]) at PHR if he doesn't respond here.

[J-Rod]

Hey guys, you should really try and get along here, I think a round of hugs is in order, I mean lets just all agree that were all pretty special people.......Really though, who cares? what a pointless conversation!

/passes Cody some marshmallows

/lights campfire

/sings 'Kumbaya'

[sinned]

It was more of a "am I out of line poll" without the actual poll.

[Steve1968LS2]

Hey guys, you should really try and get along here, I think a round of hugs is in order, I mean lets just all agree that were all pretty special people.......Really though, who cares? what a pointless conversation!

I'm not upset.. just discussing.. Johnny can be a bit harsh but I didn't see it here, I saw him respond to a letter and give his opinion..

I also see his point about junkyard parts and pushing your car hard on a road track, like I said, my new stock f-body parts didn't hold up all that well to abuse and they were new..

Anyways, I am certainly not mad or upset.. we are all friends here..

As for the g-28 deal, I just meant that A. it is not my project and B. the name was given before I started working there. I also don't know the story about it :dunno:

[Steve1968LS2]

It was more of a "am I out of line poll" without the actual poll.

I love you mannnnnnnnn

:grouphug:

Yea, I know.. I can't have your bud light...

[Steve Chryssos]

I'm not upset.. just discussing.. Johnny can be a bit harsh but I didn't see it here, I saw him respond to a letter and give his opinion........
Anyways, I am certainly not mad or upset.. we are all friends here..


Yody's kidding, silly. He's trying to apply his newfound tact. Perhaps he's going a little overboard. As for the braking issue, I think both parties (reader/editor) are just dancing around the money issue--which is becoming more prevalent as costs continue to rise. So if you read between the lines, the exchange looks like this:

Reader: "Ain't no way I'm dropping four digits on brakes. Used parts are less expensive!"
Editor: "Used parts are less expensive? Really? Wow I didn't know that. What a revelation. And stolen parts are even less expensive than used parts. Maybe We should run an article on how to steal, strip and dispose of a C6 Corvette? But car thieves and junkyards do not buy advertising. Never have--never will.
In the new millenium, publishers lose money on subscriptions and newsstand circulation (readers). So advertising is the only reason why this magazine still exists. Advertisers are hard to come by. So we--as editors--must walk a line between helping advertisers without alienating readers. If the parts work, we promote them. So please, please cut me some slack or you (readers) won't have a magazine to complain about."

I think Johnny could have simply stated: "Hey, it's my car and Baer brakes work. You build your car your way and I'll do it my way"
/Steevo

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve, the "ripped" part was how harshly he replied about using used parts and the dangers associated with it. For a mag to respond with that type of "matter-of-fact" response would make most readers think there really is a risk.

Well there could be if you just bad, inferior or the wrong combo of used and potentially deficient parts for your braking system.. Well at least if you you them on a car that will see a lot of track time..

I will agree that it was bit overly dramatic but that is how he feels about it. He certainly did not "rip" the guy for his letter even if he disagreed..

Anyways, I've said my version of the letter which is worth about .02 since I didn't write it.. And this would have been my opinion even if I didn't work there. I will mention the thread to Hunkins so he can respond but when you think about it what is there to say?

:Alchy: <-- is it time for this yet??

[Steve1968LS2]

Reader: "Ain't no way I'm dropping four digits on brakes. Used parts are less expensive!"
Editor: "Used parts are less expensive? Really? Wow I didn't know that. What a revelation. And stolen parts are even less expensive than used parts. Maybe We should run an article on how to steal, strip and dispose of a C6 Corvette? But car thieves and junkyards do not buy advertising. Never have--never will.
In the new millenium, publishers lose money on subscriptions and newsstand circulation (readers). So advertising is the only reason why this magazine still exists. Advertisers are hard to come by. So we--as editors--must walk a line between helping advertisers without alienating readers. If the parts work, we promote them. So please, please cut me some slack or you (readers) won't have a magazine to complain about."


That about sums it up.. It is why there in no magazine devoted to "junk yard builds" where all the cars are made from used OEM parts.. I would love to read a book like that but it would cost $20 and issue.. lol

[Bill Howell]

Hey guys, you should really try and get along here, I think a round of hugs is in order, I mean lets just all agree that were all pretty special people.......Really though, who cares? what a pointless conversation!

:offtopic: I am really starting to believe this "new and improved" Yody thing. And yes, you are a bit boring now :lmao: but I like the new you anyway. :grouphug:

[Roger Poirier]

Jonny's PHR's comments can be a little direct. Go back to the article a couple of months back about true pro touring activist. Hey, it's hard to make everyone happy. Life is a bitc_, then move on. I always say; why beat up a dead horse.


I feel Dennis always sticks up for the little guy or self made guy, which is a good thing. Not everyone can afford to buy all new parts and have them installed. Keep up the good work Dennis by keeping everyone on there toes.

:hail: I miss you man! Where have you been? R.P.

[sinned]

I'm here Roger...always watching, like a super hero.

Actually, the new job keeps me away from the computer AT LEAST 60 hours a week. Tons more money though, maybe someday I'll get to spend some of it.