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    Default Calling all 1st and 2nd Camaro LS swap owners!

    So we have a thread for known combinations that work.



    I'd like to start a thread about combinations of LS motors in first and second gen Camaros that didn't work so well and how you solved it.

    So, I suppose to be most helpful we should have the basics:


    Car:
    Motor:
    Transmission:
    Transmission Crossmember:
    Fuel Tank:
    Headers: (brand, size and finish)
    Motor Mounts:
    Oil Pan:
    Stock/Modified/Replaced Subframe:
    Exhaust used:
    Radiator Used:
    Wiring Harness:
    What issues came up?
    How did you solve them?
    What advice would you give new LS swap DIY'ers?


    I truly would appreciate any of your guys' help with this list as it will certainly help future guys out there!

    Any questions I missed?

    ~Eric

    PS - Hey mods, can we sticky this?
    1968 Camaro - It's blue

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    Good thread idea!

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    I live overseas, so far away (OK with the Internet the world got a lot smaller) from all the convenient resources you guys & gals have nearby. Nevertheless I swapped a LS3/4L80e and a year later a T-56 in place of the 4L80e. I did this a couple of years ago. Back then there was far less materials for sale then there's now. However, I did my homework and it basically went pretty smooth.

    So best advice I can give you: DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!!

    Best place with lots of info: LS1tech.com. I would specially recommend the stickies to quickly get up to speed .

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    In process...

    Car: 73 RS
    Motor: LY6 with LS3 intake and TB
    Transmission: T-56
    Headers: (brand, size and finish) Edelbrock
    Motor Mounts: Edelbrock plates-mnts positioned on subframe where I wanted the motor to sit
    Oil Pan: 02 camaro
    Stock/Modified/Replaced Subframe: Stock sub-modified trans member
    Exhaust used: Magnaflow 3" Stainless kit yet to be installed
    Radiator Used: TBD
    Accessories: C-5 vette alt, steering and brkt, custom spacer to match vvt pulleys, L99 water pump, no ac yet
    Wiring Harness: Modifying stock LY6 harness
    What issues came up? TBD
    How did you solve them? TBD
    What advice would you give new LS swap DIY'ers? Homework better if done before rather than after

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    Im not done yet but feel this thread could have helped me greatly with some of the questions I have asked/serched for. So Ill contribute..


    Car: 1967 Camaro
    Motor: Gmpp LSX454
    Transmission:T56 Magnum w/ white lightening shifter - all from american powertrain
    Transmission Crossmember: X-Factor crossmember - from american powertrain
    Headers: (brand, size and finish)Dynatech 1 7/8" primaries with 3" collectors p/n 715-21410
    Motor Mounts: s&p swap plates, energy suspension poly mounts, 327 engine mounts
    Oil Pan:Mast motorsport
    Stock/Modified/Replaced Subframe: Stock frame w/ stock upper & lower control arms
    Body Bushings: Speedtech aluminum regular height
    Exhaust used:
    Radiator Used:

    Wiring Harness:PSI Conversion
    Fuel Tank: Ricks Stainless clipped tank with lsa pump/filter - Full vaporworx setup
    Fuel Lines: 25' Teflon lined AN-6 front to back. All line & fittings from www.aeroquip.cc
    What issues came up? None so far
    How did you solve them?
    What advice would you give new LS swap DIY'ers? Look for used parts to save some coin (ls1tech, pro-touring, lateral-g, corvetteforum)




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    Car: 1967 camaro
    Motor: 5.7 LS1
    Transmission:
    4l60E
    Headers: (brand, size and finish) Dynatech Swap headers 1 7/8
    Motor Mounts: Custom (close to s&p)
    Oil Pan: Lh8
    Stock/Modified/Replaced Subframe: Stock
    Exhaust used:
    Radiator Used:
    Stock 98-2002 camaro
    Wiring Harness: stock 98-2002 camaro modified by Wait4meperformance (dont use them)
    What issues came up? Waited over a almost a month for harness, came with no instructions and relays
    How did you solve them? Waited, LOL
    What advice would you give new LS swap DIY'ers? Take more time and find used parts

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    Car: 1968 Camaro
    Motor: LS1 F-Body with F-Body stock accessories
    Transmission: F-Body T56 6 speed
    Headers: Dynatech ceramic coated headers (1-7/8" w/ 3") (Excellent Clearance around the stock power steering set-up)
    Motor Mounts: Carshop motor mounts stock location. (Alternator barely clears with F-body accessories)
    Oil Pan: Stock F-Body modified (Extended pick-tube, no windage tray) (Note: oil pan notching not required if running the car shop plates with a f-body oil pan, It would have cleared)
    Subframe: stock subframe with tubular control arms, coil spring, sway bar upgrades (stock body bushings and stock power steering
    Exhaust used: magnaflow ss exhaust kit
    Transmission Crossmember: S&P crossmember
    Radiator Used: 2002 Camaro Radiator and Fans (Homemade Brackets)
    Wiring Harness: Chevy Thunder (very well marked, nice budget harness) Fuel Injection harness installation is not for everyone, I am struggling a lot with this currently and hope to get it running. This harness is a good quality harness.
    Fuel Tank: spectra premium EFI tank. reflared Gm press on style flares for sending unit. (non-tubbed cars only)
    Fuel Lines: Dorman nylon 3/8 & 5/16 fuel line and connectors, 99+C5 filter/regulator
    Gauges: Dakota Digital VHX. Love the gauges, instructions come with LSx conversions
    Power Steering Lines: metric conversion fitting with 90 degree 3/8 tube flared. 11/16 supply and 5/8 return. Napa auto parts fixed me up with these.
    What issues came up?
    -Firewall and Trans Tunnel Clearance - Cut and Modified to clear. A stock firewall should be fine, mine was modified.
    -Motor mounts needed to be ground slightly to clear long tube headers on DS
    -T56 firewall bracket-holes had to be filed to line up
    -Engine sets very close to firewall but will be fine
    -Clutch pedal bracket dimensions from street and performance did not work-I had to modify bracket to work with my set-up.


    What advice would you give new LS swap DIY'ers?
    -Figure out your budget!! 5-6K Minimum with good resources and shopping carefullly. That is being conservative. (7k+ is more realistic)
    -First thing first is figuring out what type of LSx motor you want, whether your using an after market frame or a stock 67-69 frame. Power steering, manual, or rack and pinion? headers? Gauges? fuel injected or carbureted? what kind of HP/TQ? auto or manual? stock accessories or aftermarket?
    Oil pan, power steering lines, mounts, exhaust manifolds, fuel injection/motor harness, transmission x-member, exhaust, fuel tank, fuel regulator/filter, radiator with electric fans, flexible fuel line, radiator hoses, ac braket if running air conditioning.
    -I would have went with the complete BRP kit if I was to do this again. BRP sets the motor forward more and a little higher, but works quite well.
    -Figure out what type of steering set-up your going to use ahead of time.
    -Dynatech headers will not work with the BRP Kit! Hedman 3/4 length do work and look great! Tried Dynatechs already on a friends car.
    -I would have purchased the spectra tank if I was going to do it all over again. The caprice tank swap is a cheap alternative though.
    -Kwik Performance Bracket works as well as it looks. If your going the AC route with stock accessories I recommend this bracket. Well worth the money. (You can always modify your frame when using f-body accessories)

    Any questions I missed?Added crossmember, fuel tank, body bushings

    Recommended Readings: LS1Tech.com (Hybrid and Conversion Section), Pro-Touring.com, lateral-g.net, camaros.net, street and performance website, "How to Swap an LSX engine into Almost Anything"-Book,
    www.chevythunder.com
    http://www.hotrodlane.cc/
    http://www.brphotrods.com/
    http://www.speedinc.com/ptscparts.cfm
    http://www.detroitspeed.com/
    http://www.purechoicemotorsports.com...cat/cat132.htm
    http://ls1tech.com/forums/conversions-hybrids-28/
    http://www.griffinrad.com/
    http://www.southernperformancesystems.com/index.html (Great supplier and resource for Fuel Lines and adapters)


    I am still going through my LSX swap. My swap is the budget friendly version. All of my fitment issues are complete, so I thought I would go ahead and share. If your looking for super fancy 15K+ swap don't follow my recommendations.

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    Car:73 Firebird
    Motor:02 LS1
    Transmission:T-56
    Headers: BRP Heddmen 1 3/4 step to 1 7/8 coated
    Motor Mounts: BRP
    Trans cross member: BRP
    Oil Pan: Stock
    Stock/Modified/Replaced Subframe: Subframe is stock, trans crossmember had to drill new holes for otherwise no mods
    Exhaust used: (not inthe car yet) 3in pipes from headers to 2 chamber flowmasters dumped before rear axle
    Radiator Used:4th gen with fans
    Wiring Harness: daytonayellaz (here on the board) custom made for me
    Fuel Tank: Spectre fuel tank
    What issues came up? My son and I test fitted the motor and trans using BRP's instructions, fit perfect as they said it would. Drilling the crossmember holes for the trans has been the only real hassle with no lift.
    How did you solve them? So far I feel that I've solved most of the problems before running into them due to research across all the forums. I went with a kit knowing that the kit works, yeah it was more money but worth it to me.
    What advice would you give new LS swap DIY'ers?I've been planning this project for years so the research has been a lifesaver for sure. I made a book 3in thick of different forum posts and articles for each step of this project. I planned 7K and it is now @ 9K just because of the unexpected costs. Plan, research, make notes, and then do it, it makes it much easier IMO. ASK QUESTIONS and more questions. Good luck with your builds
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    Thanks everyone! good list so far.

    I added the trans cross member and fuel tank to the list.

    ~Eric
    1968 Camaro - It's blue

    Other hobby = Photography -> http://impermanence.kungphu.com

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    68 Camaro convertible
    Full Hotchkis TVS suspension
    Bear 6P brakes all four corners
    Currie 9” reared
    Tremec T56 Mag Transmission
    Custom Trans cross member
    LSA Engine (Ref: GM 6.2L supercharged – CTS-V)
    The LH8 Oil Pan
    • AC oil filter PF48 (or equivalent)
    • NAPA Gold oil filter 7060
    • GM dipstick tube 12563918
    • GM dipstick 12610053
    Headman Headers
    BRP Motor Mounts
    Low mount BRP Frame notch plate
    Custom lower A/C bracket Street & Performance
    E67 ECU & Street & Performance tune & now D3 Performance fine-tune
    Foose wheels
    Anvil Carbon Fiber Hood, Deck Lid, Front & Rear Spoiler, Arm Rest, Gauge Pod
    Magnaflow Exhaust
    Rick’s stainless Steel tank with CTS-V pump
    Vaporworx fuel control system
    Vintage Air – air conditioning and heating system

    Soon to be:
    Recaro Seats?
    Roll Cage/Tiger Cage
    Who knows what else - Fun is to be continued.

    Issues:
    Many, to be discussed if needed should anyone choose this combination feel free to contact me.

    Bob

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    Car: 67 Camaro
    Motor: 2004 LS6
    Transmission: T-56 built by local Trans Guru
    Transmission Crossmember: Custom fab at home
    Fuel Tank: Ricks Vaporworx
    Headers: (brand, size and finish) Edelbrock LS for 67-69 Camaro
    Motor Mounts: Energy Suspension LS swap kit (3-1147G I think)
    Oil Pan: Factory 4th Gen Camaro
    Stock/Modified/Replaced Subframe: Heidt's Pro-G subframe
    Exhaust used: N/A yet-I have a prodigy bar in the back and I hear that exhaust pipes are a challenge to route due to the cross support bars, but I'll cross that bridge when I get there!
    Radiator Used: Entropy
    Wiring Harness: Factory Engine; American Autowire, classic update; entropy electric fan wiring harness
    What issues came up? The Heidt's frame moves the engine forward an inch or so, so the T56 thankfuly fit with no trans tunnel interference, but the supplied trans crossmember did not fit the T-56.
    How did you solve them? Fabricated a custom crossmember
    What advice would you give new LS swap DIY'ers? PATIENCE! Not everything will always go right, and there should be some expectation of problems when introducing new technology to 40 year old technology..patience and the ability to "walk away" when getting frustrated with something for a little bit go a long way. Never doubt the healing power of taking a short break when things get annoying. Aggrivation and power tools leads to component damage!
    Confucius says, "Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life"

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    Car: 1973 Camaro
    Motor: 2002 LS1
    Transmission: T56
    Transmission Crossmember: ATS
    Fuel Tank: Spectra Premium
    Headers: (brand, size and finish) 1 3/4 Doug Thorley LS1 swap headers (Car was used for prototyping the headers)
    Motor Mounts: ATS adapter plates-early style small block mounts
    Oil Pan: 2002 Camaro
    Stock/Modified/Replaced Subframe: Stock
    Exhaust used: Custom 2 1/2 aluminum pipes-Flowmaster Delta 50 mufflers
    Radiator Used: AFCO (made for swapping the LS1 into 2nd gens)
    Wiring Harness: Speartech with PCM mounted under dash
    What issues came up? Probably could come up with a long list of small things like the configuration of the fuel lines, mounting of the PCM and clutch master cylinder, ect.
    How did you solve them? Used stock type steel fuel line, modified with push connect flares and built factory type fuel hoses. Used Corvette fuel filter. Clutch master cylinder bracket from a 3rd gen Camaro modified and bolted to the brake master cylinder/booster.
    What advice would you give new LS swap DIY'ers? Take your time, plan everything out, do lots of research and ask lots of questions. It's not really all that difficult but almost everything needs to be changed or reworked.

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    Car: 1969 Camaro
    Motor: GMPP SS376 (LS3)
    Transmission: T56 Magnum
    Transmission Crossmember: ATS
    Fuel Tank: Rick's Vaporworx
    Headers: Stainless Works
    Motor Mounts: ATS
    Oil Pan: Champ
    Stock/Modified/Replaced Subframe: Stock
    Exhaust used: Magnaflow Camaro kit
    Radiator Used: Custom Aluminum Radiators
    Wiring Harness: GMPP
    Vintage Air with Kwik Performance compressor bracket
    Currie 9" rear
    ATS clutch master & bracket
    ATS (Lee) steering box
    ATS AFX spindles
    Had to move crossmember forward 1.25" for Magnum transmission, not a big deal. Making sure to pull clean air between MAF & TB for crankcase ventilation while building my cold air intake. Building a power steering line from the pump to the box that clears the pump pulley.

    I'm sure I'll think of more to add.
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    Car:72 Camaro
    Motor:00 Corvette LS1 w/10k miles
    Transmission:4l60E
    Headers: BRP Heddmen 1 3/4 step to 1 7/8 coated
    Motor Mounts: BRP
    Trans cross member: BRP
    Oil Pan: Stock F-body
    Stock/Modified/Replaced Subframe: Stock
    Exhaust used: 2 1/2in pipes, magnaflow mufflers (should be installed soon)
    Radiator Used: Custom but LS design (inlet/outlet on pass side)
    Wiring Harness: Not done yet but probably going with Howell
    Fuel Tank: Spectre fuel tank
    Accessories: Stock with Vintage Air and Qwik bracket

    Haven't fired it up yet. I swapped the cam, pushrods and springs with a 228R Texas Speed kit. No real issues.
    Tim
    1972 Camaro

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    Thanks everyone! Having a list of what combinations that don't work is just as valuable as those that do!
    1968 Camaro - It's blue

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    Car: 67 Camaro
    Motor: Vengeance racing LS7 427 Dry Sump
    Transmission: T56
    Transmission Crossmember: Art Morrison
    Fuel Tank: ATL fuel cell 22 gal.
    Headers: (brand, size and finish) Art morrison, silver.
    Motor Mounts: Art morrison
    Oil Pan: Stock LS7.
    Stock/Modified/Replaced Subframe: Art morrison subframe.
    Exhaust used: Custom with a pair of Spintech side exits.
    Radiator Used: Afco
    Wiring Harness: GMPP
    What issues came up? .. nothing
    How did you solve them? .. chose this path with least resistance.
    What advice would you give new LS swap DIY'ers? buy a known LS header, wiring, subframe combo to avoid any problems trying to guess it all out.

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    Mine was done in 2006.

    Car:
    1978 Camaro Z28
    Motor:
    2004 GTO LS1 5.7L
    Transmission:
    4L60e
    Transmission Crossmember:
    Th400 or TH350 flipped backwards....I forget which.
    Fuel Tank:
    new Factory modded by Ricks Hot Rod Shop.
    Headers: (brand, size and finish)
    S&P Monte Carlo shorty headers
    Motor Mounts:
    Clamshells from 350 & trans dapt
    Oil Pan:
    F-body
    Stock/Modified/Replaced Subframe: Stock
    Exhaust used: Hooker sidepipes 21063HKR
    Radiator Used:
    new Factory 4th gen
    Wiring Harness:
    Speartech modified GTO harness
    What issues came up?
    Stock GTO alternator hit pittman arm
    How did you solve them?
    relocated alternator using S&P's excessively priced kit for $550.
    What advice would you give new LS swap DIY'ers?
    Do your diligent research of what works and what doesnt'.


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    How do you like that AM front clip? I am just about ready to order one instead of buying a Lee box and DS uppers and lowers.

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    Car:
    1968 Camaro (AKA)Plain Jane
    Motor:
    6.0L
    Transmission:
    Super t-10 four speed
    Transmission Crossmember:
    Stock with a spacer for the trans mount (+1" spacing)
    Fuel Tank:
    Factory with Holley external pump
    Headers: (brand, size and finish)
    Sanderson Headers part# V8RLS1
    Motor Mounts:
    Trans Dapt motor plates, stock location part# 4575
    Oil Pan:
    Moroso Oil Pan part# 20140, Moroso Oil Pan Pickup part# 24050, Milodon oil pan bolts part# 85002
    Stock/Modified/Replaced Subframe:
    Stock subframe
    Exhaust used:
    2.5 inch Dynomax
    Radiator Used:
    Be Cool
    Wiring Harness:
    Edelbrock LS ignition box
    What issues came up?
    Steam tube routing, PCV needs, fuel concerns, engine weight,
    How did you solve them?
    asked other swappers that are driving their cars, how they got around the same problems
    What advice would you give new LS swap DIY'ers?
    decided what you want, why, and read a lot, spend the cash on some swap books and don't believe a lot of what you hear, its an easy swap, everything fit nicely and there's easy ways around everything

    here's My Car Plain Jane at this years RTTC 3 after the 4 week engine swap just this weekend
    Rod Prouty
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    great thread for LS Camaro guys. subscribed

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