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hag6888
06-25-2013, 02:12 PM
Anyone use belltech suspension parts ?

Rod
06-25-2013, 02:59 PM
Anyone use belltech suspension parts ?

only on trucks

hag6888
06-25-2013, 04:50 PM
Thanks what I'm looking are you using them for autocross ?

Ron Sutton
06-25-2013, 06:22 PM
They are heavy & aren't known for optimum handling geometry.

Which Belltech spindle are you looking at?

hag6888
06-30-2013, 02:39 PM
Thanks Ron for the info what you run ? I'm just looking for the springs right now.

hag6888
06-30-2013, 02:40 PM
I have stock spindles right now

Ron Sutton
06-30-2013, 07:25 PM
Oh. Springs. Gotcha.

I have no idea who makes Belltech springs, except that they don't. At some point, we'll probably start a thread and talk about spring characteristics ... and what constitutes poor, good & best springs.

If DSE sells the size & rate you need, I can recommend them. Their springs are made by Draco, with the best spring material & quality control processes.

Tricky
07-03-2013, 11:34 PM
I run bell tech 2" drop spindles, but for a big block on a 350 motor truck so that way I can use big block rotors/calibers. I do both auto x and NASA track days. No problem. I would like to find a stiffer shock. Does anyone Know the different rates between Bell tech shocks,bilstins,KYB or Qal's?

Ron Sutton
07-04-2013, 08:54 AM
I run bell tech 2" drop spindles, but for a big block on a 350 motor truck so that way I can use big block rotors/calibers. I do both auto x and NASA track days. No problem. I would like to find a stiffer shock. Does anyone Know the different rates between Bell tech shocks,bilstins,KYB or Qal's?

Hi Tricky,

Can you share with us the different specs of the spindles, brakes & rotors for SBC & BBC truck applications in your model range ?

Photos would be awesome if you can round some up too.

Tricky
07-04-2013, 06:59 PM
I do not have photos-sorry,but here is what happened. I was working on a 454ss for a customer of mine so his old rotors were near by. I bought some bell tech spindals from a guy thinking they were sbc. Long story short I found out that the left over rotors from the 454 fit because my sbc did not. Then I bought new rotors,calibers & pads from the bbc from autozone. The bbc rotors are thicker and so were the pads all fixed when I bought the bbc calibers.

Ron Sutton
07-14-2013, 05:19 PM
Hey Tricky,

I am sorry, I do not know the what the shock valving dyno graphs look like on the Bell tech, Bilstein, KYB or QA1 shocks. You may want to contact the manufacturers & see if they will provide you with a shock valving dyno graph?

I know Ridetech & DSE will provide shock valving dyno graphs, because I have them.

pharmd
07-14-2013, 05:53 PM
I do not have photos-sorry,but here is what happened. I was working on a 454ss for a customer of mine so his old rotors were near by. I bought some bell tech spindals from a guy thinking they were sbc. Long story short I found out that the left over rotors from the 454 fit because my sbc did not. Then I bought new rotors,calibers & pads from the bbc from autozone. The bbc rotors are thicker and so were the pads all fixed when I bought the bbc calibers.

Yeah man, get up with Brett @ Ridetech or Kyle @ DSE and see if they will hook you up with a custom setup...they got a huge parts bin.

Slick68
07-15-2013, 02:40 PM
Hotchkis also sells 4" front drop springs and 6" rear drop springs for 67-72 trucks.

www.hotchkis.net

struck by Lightning
07-16-2013, 06:23 PM
I would like to find a stiffer shock. Does anyone Know the different rates between Bell tech shocks,bilstins,KYB or Qal's?

I have tested several shock combinations and currently am running Bilstein HPS 1000's on the front with adjustable QA1's on the rear.



FRONT
extended
compressed
comp @ speed
rebound @ speed


Bilstein BE5-2571-H0 (Supercrew HD)
14.76
9.98
685 @ .52
2790 @ .52


Bilstein BE5-2478-H0 (Std F-150 HD)
14.76
9.98
890 @ .52
2770 @ .52


Bilstein BE5-2478-H1 (F150/Lightning Sport)
14.76
9.98
930 @ .52
680 @ .26

3050 @ .52
2335 @ .26



Koni 30 1658
14.72
10.39
500 @ .33
1450 @ .33


REAR






Bilstein BE5-2579
(2WD F150)



550 @ .52
2020 @ .52


Bilstein BE5-2479-H1 (F150/Lightning Sport)






Bilstein BE5-6013-H0 (Rodeo/Passport)
18.52
11.81
750 @ .52
1627 @ .52


Koni 30 1659
24.13
14.69
450 @ .33
1000 @ .33


Koni (99-01 Rodeo/Passport)


750 @ .33
1450 @ .33

Ron Sutton
07-16-2013, 06:45 PM
George, would you post rates on the QA1 you mentioned?

If you don't mind us asking, what shock dyno are you using?

struck by Lightning
07-16-2013, 07:01 PM
George, would you post rates on the QA1 you mentioned?

If you don't mind us asking, what shock dyno are you using?

Ron,

The above is a small portion of data from fellow Lightning owner Tim Skelton. His testing and documentation is well known in the Lightning community and more information can be found here http://www.timskelton.com/lightning/race_prep/suspension/my_suspension.htm

I love the QA1's on the rear as it allows me to stiffen up the rebound as I hit the brakes entering into a corner which is a big plus as the truck is so nose heavy.

bovey
07-16-2013, 07:35 PM
George. THAT is impressive. Thanks for the info.

Ron Sutton
07-16-2013, 09:18 PM
George,

With the QA1 shock valving, can you go all the way to full stiff on the rear shock rebound valving without the truck getting loose on entry ... or does it get loose at some point?

Ron Sutton
07-16-2013, 09:30 PM
Another question George,

How does Tim's truck perform? Does he AutoX? and if so, how well does he do?

struck by Lightning
07-17-2013, 11:20 AM
George,

With the QA1 shock valving, can you go all the way to full stiff on the rear shock rebound valving without the truck getting loose on entry ... or does it get loose at some point?

So far the best setting has been at 13 clicks (18 total) as all the way (18) will loosen up the rear at entry however most of the track surfaces I've run have been rather rough with the exception of Marina, Ca. The truck performed extremely well at 13 clicks at Marina that I chose not to change a thing.


Another question George,

How does Tim's truck perform? Does he AutoX? and if so, how well does he do?

No first hand knowledge, but Tim reported on the forums that the truck performed very well with good success in AutoX and Club Racing.

Ron Sutton
07-17-2013, 12:05 PM
So far the best setting has been at 13 clicks (18 total) as all the way (18) will loosen up the rear at entry however most of the track surfaces I've run have been rather rough with the exception of Marina, Ca. The truck performed extremely well at 13 clicks at Marina that I chose not to change a thing.

My question was mainly trying to see how stiff the rebound could be adjusted on the QA1s. You've already learned firsthand what top tuners know ... you can add rebound in the rear to help tighten corner entry only so far ,,, at at some point ... the rebound is stiff ... but the shock can't hold the car or truck down ... so the tires "get light".

No first hand knowledge, but Tim reported on the forums that the truck performed very well with good success in AutoX and Club Racing.
When I looked at Tim's website, it is clear he has tried many different set-ups, documented the changes & results ... and landed on & stuck with a soft spring/big bar setup, that travels the front end more on entry & rolls less. This is a more modern set-up & if fully worked out & dialed in ... will be a little quicker.

struck by Lightning
07-17-2013, 02:10 PM
at some point ... the rebound is stiff ... but the shock can't hold the car or truck down ... so the tires "get light".


This is very true and as a result I reinstalled the trailer hitch and spare tire to add weight. I had removed these items to lighten the truck when drag racing.

BTW Ron - I just noticed that you are out of Sacramento, are you attending any of the local AutoX events?

Ron Sutton
07-17-2013, 05:23 PM
at some point ... the rebound is stiff ... but the shock can't hold the car or truck down ... so the tires "get light".

This is very true and as a result I reinstalled the trailer hitch and spare tire to add weight. I had removed these items to lighten the truck when drag racing.
This same effect happens in race cars at a certain point of rear shock rebound stiffness.



BTW Ron - I just noticed that you are out of Sacramento, are you attending any of the local AutoX events?
So far, I've only gone to the GG events in Pleasanton.

Mike Maier has invited me to to the AAS events, but I haven't made it to one yet. Do you run AAS, SCCA or both?

struck by Lightning
07-18-2013, 08:32 AM
So far, I've only gone to the GG events in Pleasanton.

Mike Maier has invited me to to the AAS events, but I haven't made it to one yet. Do you run AAS, SCCA or both?

I have participated in SCCA, AAS and GG events. Please say hello if you ever see the Red Brick at a future event.