ProdigyCustoms
09-29-2011, 04:09 PM
Thanks to my buddy Patrick for allowing us to use his car for a test install. We did a install of Ride Techs New True Turn and Coil Over Conversion Packages. The True Turn kit included the True Turn and the Ride Tech Tall Drop Spindles. The Coil Over Conversion included upper and lower arms and Single Coil Overs shocks.
I will jump to the end of the review and tell you I truly believe the True Turn and True Coil Over Conversion, with Ride Techs Spline Sway Bar, combined with a quality steering box like our 600 box, really narrows the gap between aftermarket subframes and a modded stock frame!
That is a big statement but the proof is in the numbers, and I verified those numbers personally in our own shop (Photo documentation below).
TRUE TURN
The True Turn eliminates the Bump Steer. While I was not able to do a scientific bump steer analyses, I can tell you with the drivers side spindle locked in the place the steering did not move a measurable amount through our camber curve test.
COIL OVER CONVERSION
The Coil Over Conversion with the drop pocket lower control arm allows a longer shock and spring package within the confines of the factory spring pocket. The swivel end at the top of the shock is pure genius and eliminates the side loading of the shock shaft as the arm goes through it's travel. Side loading shocks is prevalent in previous coil over conversion offerings.
TALL SPINDLES
The Tall Spindle helps with the camber gain. I was a little worried because Patricks Car has a previous Gulstrand Mod. I was concerned the camber gain may be too severe and worried about possible ball joint bind. My concerns we unfounded. I was really happy with the camber gain. Very aggressive, increases exponentially where it needs to in the middle of the travel, but is not so extreme that it will lift the outside edge of the tire either. Damn near perfect.
275 TIRES
Add to that the fact you can put equal size front wheels and tires to aftermarket subframes 275s (HUGE DEAL) and I truly believe any performance difference is in the driver!
I had a chance to take a dozen laps in the 48 hour Camaro at RTTHs with Bret this past weekend (Scared the **** out of me). By the 3rd lap I was comfortable Bret was not going to kill us and was able to focus on what the car was doing. The car is really well balanced, no real push and manageable over-steer as needed.
Our install was a test install of the True Turn to critique the kit and instructions. We helped work out minor bugs related to inconsistencies in the original cars and the final product is awesome. The install is basic and can be done in a few hours in ones garage with hand tools.
If you are getting the idea I like this stuff, your right.
I will get to windy saying everything I can think of about this stuff, so look at the pics and ask away!
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True Turn Kit with Tall Drop Spindles
Below is the camber gain test
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Ride height .4 degrees negative camber, notice the rotor is straght forward
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1" travel, 1.2 degrees negative camber, ,8 degree camber gain, Rotor Still Straight
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2" travel, 2.7 degrees negative camber, 2.3 degrees camber gain, Rotor still straight
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2" travel, 3.5 degrees negative camber, 3.1 degrees camber gain, Rotor still straight
I will jump to the end of the review and tell you I truly believe the True Turn and True Coil Over Conversion, with Ride Techs Spline Sway Bar, combined with a quality steering box like our 600 box, really narrows the gap between aftermarket subframes and a modded stock frame!
That is a big statement but the proof is in the numbers, and I verified those numbers personally in our own shop (Photo documentation below).
TRUE TURN
The True Turn eliminates the Bump Steer. While I was not able to do a scientific bump steer analyses, I can tell you with the drivers side spindle locked in the place the steering did not move a measurable amount through our camber curve test.
COIL OVER CONVERSION
The Coil Over Conversion with the drop pocket lower control arm allows a longer shock and spring package within the confines of the factory spring pocket. The swivel end at the top of the shock is pure genius and eliminates the side loading of the shock shaft as the arm goes through it's travel. Side loading shocks is prevalent in previous coil over conversion offerings.
TALL SPINDLES
The Tall Spindle helps with the camber gain. I was a little worried because Patricks Car has a previous Gulstrand Mod. I was concerned the camber gain may be too severe and worried about possible ball joint bind. My concerns we unfounded. I was really happy with the camber gain. Very aggressive, increases exponentially where it needs to in the middle of the travel, but is not so extreme that it will lift the outside edge of the tire either. Damn near perfect.
275 TIRES
Add to that the fact you can put equal size front wheels and tires to aftermarket subframes 275s (HUGE DEAL) and I truly believe any performance difference is in the driver!
I had a chance to take a dozen laps in the 48 hour Camaro at RTTHs with Bret this past weekend (Scared the **** out of me). By the 3rd lap I was comfortable Bret was not going to kill us and was able to focus on what the car was doing. The car is really well balanced, no real push and manageable over-steer as needed.
Our install was a test install of the True Turn to critique the kit and instructions. We helped work out minor bugs related to inconsistencies in the original cars and the final product is awesome. The install is basic and can be done in a few hours in ones garage with hand tools.
If you are getting the idea I like this stuff, your right.
I will get to windy saying everything I can think of about this stuff, so look at the pics and ask away!
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
True Turn Kit with Tall Drop Spindles
Below is the camber gain test
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
Ride height .4 degrees negative camber, notice the rotor is straght forward
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
1" travel, 1.2 degrees negative camber, ,8 degree camber gain, Rotor Still Straight
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
2" travel, 2.7 degrees negative camber, 2.3 degrees camber gain, Rotor still straight
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2" travel, 3.5 degrees negative camber, 3.1 degrees camber gain, Rotor still straight