Project Orange Crate Cuda - 65 Barracuda

[ProTouringCuda]

OK - so it's time to start working on the Barracuda. This car was given to me by my father-in-law. It was going to be my wife's 1st car when she turned 16 - but it never made it that far. It sat in the back yard for quite some time, and then my father-in-law stripped the whole car in thoughts of making it into a drag car. Long story short - I accepted the car and we're going pro-touring.

Car will be converted from uni-body to body-on-frame using a Max-G Profile chassis from Art Morrison. So, here's where we are starting from.

Moving the car from my-father-in-laws garage.

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Lotsa boddy work to do
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a Good portion of the floow has alsready been removed

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Here's the wheels and tires - American Torq Thrust "M". 18x10 rear with 295/35's and 17x9 up front with 245/40's. Here's the Rears:
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and the fronts:
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Side by side:
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First shot at obtaining a stance - the rear wells are too narrow for the 10wide tire and will have to be cut to get the final stance.
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this is about as low as I can get it without removing the rear well.
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a little lower in the front...
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Picked this up from a guy down near Pocono Racetrack - 0 miles.
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For those of you over on forabodiesonly - this is the same build for the thread I started over there - I've decided to have build threads in both places!

[68firebird]

a fresh hemi, thats awesome!! good luck, post as many pics as you can, I love lookin at work in progress.

[CruizinKev]

very nice project! good luck with :twothumbs

[78 Type-LT]

Save tha fish...

[ProTouringCuda]

Just picked this up to aid in cutting up the fish! Plasma Baby!

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[ProTouringCuda]

Cut the passenger side well out to make room for the 18x10's. Plasma sure makes an easy job of it.

How low can I go? Think I need to get it on the ground first - but I need that fender!
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TWC wouldn't run cable to the garage, since I've only got one conduit from the house (with power running in it). So, I had to improvise - DIRECT-TV - with Yankees Games on YES!
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The carnage of the PS well- and what awaits for the DS oh so very shortly.
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[streetrods]

Sweet project..

[backtobasics]

Yeah!

[Dukes69]

Nice project. Go Low!! Here's my favorite early b-cuda motivational picture:

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:1st:

[Motown 454]

Nice project and sweet power! Good luck with it.

[ProTouringCuda]

Nice project. Go Low!! Here's my favorite early b-cuda motivational picture:

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:1st:

That's sweet - is that yours? If not, is there any documentation on the build of this car? That's darn near the stance I'm looking for.

[Dukes69]

Not mine, I got it from here: http://www.protouringmopar.com/showthread.php?196-65-Barracuda-build

There's a couple more pics in that thread.

[ho428]

Nice build project, I'll keep tabs on it and forward this to a friend that's working on getting one to make a Vintage Road Racer.

He's going full tube frame though if he can get it.

[senor_camaro]

nice

[ProTouringCuda]

Some updated pics from this weekend's measuring session for the AME chassis.

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[ProTouringCuda]

Things are going slow, because its been so dang hot. Sent in the downpayment for the Art Morrison Max-G chassis. Now today, I fired up the plasma once again and started cutting more away. Got the RH Front sub removed. https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[latamud]

I need a plasma cutter, that's a time saver. I'll be watching this build, I have a 65 Barracuda I want to redo soon. I actually have the same wheels and tires set aside for my current project.

[thedodgeboys]

Looks like it's going to be a pretty sweet ride. What trans are you going use?

[wellis77]

Looking very good John. Can't wait to see more.

[ProTouringCuda]

Looks like it's going to be a pretty sweet ride. What trans are you going use?

Looking at the T56 Magnum, but haven't decided on a supplier yet.

[ProTouringCuda]

Things have been going a bit slow, but just got word from Kevin and Craig over at Art Morrison that the chassis is complete, and is on a truck to the east coast! Here's a few pics of a "work of Art" as in Morrison.

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[craigs73]

i like this build. im subscribed:)

[John Wright]

Ah man!...that thing is gonna be cool.

Frame looks great, they did a good job for ya.

[wellis77]

Looks great John! Makes me wish I was still having Morrison build mine; if only I wasn't stuck on the Viper stuff. It's all good though. Looking forward to seeing this come together when you get the chassis. Have you already cut the entire floor out? If so, how did you brace it up? Have you decided how you are mounting this thing yet? Sorry if these have been answered already. Will

[FRENCHBLUE72]

Subscribed cant wait to see the new chassis under it.

[ProTouringCuda]

I've cut about 95% of the floor out, but have been working on the shop for the past few weekends, trying to get it ready for winter (i.e. insulating). I ran 2x4 steel between the lower A-pillar, behind the door, and under the support for the rear quarter. I then x-braced those together, and with them all being on different planes, its seeming to hold up nicely.

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[ProTouringCuda]

Got the Strange 31 spline axles and S-series center section. Craig over at AME stated they'd be a few weeks behind the chassis. Turns out, they're a few days before the chassis!

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[ProTouringCuda]

Picked up the chassis last night from the freight terminal - it made it across country safely!

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[96t/acj]

Very nice build excited to see the progress.

[FRENCHBLUE72]

Just in time for the weekend sweeet..

[wellis77]

SWEET!!! Now get cracking...

[1badchevelle]

WOW nice build. Not sure how I missed this one.

[cobraguy65]

Love the Cuda's. Subscribed

[ProTouringCuda]

Put some paint on the suspension components - Tuxedo Black Urethane. This is the same paint that's on my 2010 Ford Flex, and I get compliments on it all the time. Quite a bit a metalic in it.

First I shot 'em with 2 coats of black epoxy primer, then two coats of Urethane. First time spraying either, and first time spraying anything in more than 10 years.

The AME / Strange 9" housing:
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The AME Front suspension:
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A closeup of the housing:
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[wellis77]

Have you started fitting the chassis yet?

[ProTouringCuda]

Have you started fitting the chassis yet?

That's the next step after I get a coat of primer on it.

[454bug]

The paint work looks AWESOME! Great metallic.

Art Morrison's stuff is 1st rate! :1st:


GREAT project!

[FRENCHBLUE72]

That color is killer looking..

[LT1Nova]

Great looking project, I'm looking forward to updates.

[rjsjea]

Cool build

[PhillipM]

Looking awesome. Look forward to following along.

[ProTouringCuda]

Weather cooperated yesterday, so I was able to get some epoxy primer on the chassis. First, I mounted it on a couple of engine stands - works great for rotating it to spray the under side, but just doesn't steer very well ;)

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Moved it out into the driveway and shot two cups of primer on it.

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Now I can start putting the suspension back on in preparation for fitting to the body.

[Bryce]

WOW, looking great!

[ProTouringCuda]

Started putting the front suspension back together so I can get some wheels on this thing. Need to make some ride height coil over replacements next.

The entire front minus coil overs.
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UCA
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Drivers side assy
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[ProTouringCuda]

Just a couple quick shots of the 3rd member. Sprayed it with gray epoxy, then urethane single stage top coat. Color inspiration come from House of Color Molly Orange, which will be the body color.

Rear goes together this weekend and will be hung from the chassis. Front hubs installed this weekend as well, with a goal to get it on all four wheels by the end of the weekend.

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[MoparCar]

Looks great! That will be wicked when finished. Just wondering what sold you on the AME GT IFS instead of their C6 based front? Are there advantages for your build?
Thanks-great to see more Mopars.

Wes

[ProTouringCuda]

Looks great! That will be wicked when finished. Just wondering what sold you on the AME GT IFS instead of their C6 based front? Are there advantages for your build?
Thanks-great to see more Mopars.

Well, it started out as a bagged front. However, to get the near 0 camber gain, the arms get real long, and the width between the rails gets very small. So, I wanted to get similar space between the rails while narrowing the front track for fender clearance. Their IFS fit the bill.

[Throttle]

Nice Mopar..

[ProTouringCuda]

Well, was planning on setting the rear end in today, but have reached a snag. Think I have the wrong coilovers. Well, here's some pics of the rear end assembly for documentation:

Bearing, seal and wedding ring pressed on at BorgWarner, installing the lug studs at home.
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Used the smaller 4.5" pattern
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My 50 year old vice wouldn't hold the axle from spinning while I torqued the studs, so I had to improvise. Locktite RED on the studs as well (that Gel dispenser is awesome)
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Small brakes, no?
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Yeah, I know, they're the parking brakes :)
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Hat installed
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IDK, but I think thats a sexy rear end.
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[FRENCHBLUE72]

I disagree.... Its a dead sexy rear end...

[ProTouringCuda]

A hard to find NOS quarter for the drivers side. Needless to say, I paid dearly for it.

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[FRENCHBLUE72]

Wow I bet that was a rare find...

[Jims78elky]

A hard to find NOS quarter for the drivers side. Needless to say, I paid dearly for it.

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Nice!

Please place that somewhere safe and away from loose feet,shoes, birds, and cats! lol..That must have cost you some serious $$$$ Great project!


-Jim

[ProTouringCuda]

Worked a bit on the rear end again tonight. Got the rotors attached and safety wired to the hats. Not exactly how Wilwood wants them safety wired, but it'll do the job. Brakes are done, housing filled with 75w140 gear lube, 3rd member torqued, axles torqued, ready to be hung tomorrow.

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[Ahdammit]

Loving this,but just one thing-unless the screws are lh thread,the lockwire is being tensioned from the wrong side.
If they are lh thread,ignore this obviously.
Check how the heads are tensioned at the bottom of this link,stops them coming loose-
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[ProTouringCuda]

You know, I looked at that safety wire pattern and convinced myself that it was OK. Wilwood actually gives a similar diagram with their assy instructions. The issue I had is that to get the wire in the fastener vertically is nearly impossible given the limited space between the hat and rotor. But now I see the important part - not whether its vertical or not, but where the wrap is on the fastener.

See, that's the great thing about his forum...

[Ahdammit]

That's it,you've got it.:cheers:
I felt a bit guilty about raising the issue,but I'd hate for anything bad to happen.
You're doing a great job,keep at it.

[ProTouringCuda]

I felt a bit guilty about raising the issue,but I'd hate for anything bad to happen

So I removed all of the safety wire and reinstalled it. Here's what it looks like now - better I think. I'm not a professional builder - this is the first time I'm undertaking something of this magnatude, and as such, I'm bound to make mistakes. But you learn by making mistakes. I appreciate you taking the time to point it out.


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[mc84_zz4]

This is going to be a real sick Cuda, I'm going to follow this one.
Great updates! Keep on 'rolling', ba-dam-ptish...
I love the choice of orange too... :cheers:

[ProTouringCuda]

OK. Time to start putting the front end together to get some wheels on this thing.

Absolutely gorgeous aluminum front hubs from Wilwood.
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Bearing packed, lugs installed and torqued, hub installed.
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My buddy Samson's not all that interested in my work...
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Hat/Rotor and Caliper installed. No pads - just want to make sure everything clears.
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Got a little scared there when I put the wheel on the hub for the first time - there was some interference. Turns out I can't run with the Torque Thrust M center caps on the front. Will wind up looking like the Mustang with the Torque Thrust D's!
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[MoparCar]

Looks Great!
Wes

[ProTouringCuda]

Just realized that this thread doesn't have a full size rendering of the build. This rendering, by Eric Brockmeyer, actually is the reason I'm doing this build. During the descision making process on whether I wanted this car or not, I found Eric's rendering and purchased an original copy of it. This awesome rendering made my descision for me, and away we go!

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[ProTouringCuda]

Here it is, although a weekend later than planned, but we have the chassis on it's own four wheels.

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By the books, it's 2" shorter (108" for the Mustang, 106" for the Barracuda) otherwise I might be thinking something different for this chassis. this one's actually designed to be 106.5", as I've always though the rear looked too far forward in the wheel wells on these cars.

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[dusterbd13]

i found with my bullit wheels that aluminum chain link fence post caps fit with a little creativity, and clear the dust caps. they can also be polished if you want. for 1.59, its worth a try for your wheels. i made them a good tight fit with a cut up mountain bike innertube.

michael

[Bryce]

looking good john

[Erics66fastback]

Very nice project. I look forward to seeing it progress.

[ProTouringCuda]

Got the motor mounts today for the Gen3 Hemi. Bought them from TinMan Fabrication - they're a very nice piece of work. I had bought a pair of frame connectors from him awhile back for the Mustang, and just by chance, found hime again for the motor mounts via an internet search. Small world.

Also, finalized the transmission today. Getting the T56 package from Keisler - from flywheel to driveshaft. I was impressed by their package, and everyone I've talked to has nothing but good things to say about Keisler Engineering.

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[KEISLER]

Hi John,

Yes, you will like the kit. Thanks for the props. That should be one amazing A-body. Hope to have it in our booth one day, and ride shotgun at a track event!

Shafi

[ProTouringCuda]

Fabbed up some chain fall mounts that I lagged into the roof truss bottom chord. The body is only a few hundred pounds, but I needed a way to get in on the chassis by myself.

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Of course once I got it up in the air, I had to slide the chassis under it. I've still got a few more pieces to trim up before the body will lower down to the point I want it on the chassis, so it's sitting WAY HIGH in this picture.

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[Bjkadron]

Looking good!

[dusterbd13]

im gonna have to remember the chainfall plates....

[wellis77]

Now we're talking. Looks good John. Can you post some pics of the chainfall plates? I'd like to see what you did. How did you decide to attach the body to the car? I think I'm going to remove the inner rocker on mine and push it back against the pinch weld, leaving the top portion as a lip that will sit on the frame and be plugged a jiggawillion times. Then plug weld the pinch against the frame, then weld solid. "I think"...

[ProTouringCuda]

OK - here's a few pics of the chain fall mounts. They're made up 2" angle and 1/4" plate. They're 31" long, and we plasma cut three holes to give some adjustabaility on the chain angle. They're stitch welded on both sides, and on the back (spine). They're lagged into the bottom chord using 3" long 3/8" lag bolts.

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[ProTouringCuda]

The T56 has arrived via LTL truck freight today - and Kudos to Land Air Express for taking it from the truck to my garage. The last LTL carrier I had a delivery from refused to do that, and dropped the delivery at the end of my driveway right near the road - horrible customer service from R&L Carriers.

Anyway, hope to have heat in the garage on Monday - then it's time to start getting busy again.

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[CruizinKev]

wow nice progress!!!

[dmc69]

This is gonna be a nice cuda!

[ProTouringCuda]

This is what has been taking up my time on the weekends - it get's hooked up to the house's 500g propane supply tomorrow. Then I'l finally have heat in the garage to be able to work during the upstate NY winters.

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[ponjohn]

I have the same heater and I believe that the exhaust is supposed to be elevated in relation to the heater.

[ProTouringCuda]

I have the same heater and I believe that the exhaust is supposed to be elevated in relation to the heater.

Well, in order for the exhaust not to come out of the eaves, I had to lower it as shown in the picture. Its a power vent, so it shouldn't be a big deal, especially in a garage. Guys at my local HVAC store said it's even best to draft the exhaust down (rather than up as mentioned in the instructions) so that any condensation runs outside, rather than back inside.

[wellis77]

Hey John, have you figured out how you are going to mate up the chassis and body? I'm debating between a couple ideas, moving the inner rocker into the pinch weld and setting the top of the rocker on the frame; also leaving the inner rocker in place and butting the perimeter rails against the rocker with some tip of bracket running the length of the perimeter rails that will act as a shelf of the inner rocker to sit on. Curious what you are doing.

[ProTouringCuda]

Hey John, have you figured out how you are going to mate up the chassis and body?

Not quite that far along yet, but have been tossing a few things around in my head as well. The chassis was designed to fit between the pinch welds - the only question in my mind was whether to weld or bolt the body to the chassis. I'm leaning towards the former, but that's so "permanent", although it makes it "one". Will most likely go that route, but still have a lot of work to do before getting to that point (namely rebuilding the rusty rockers).

[ProTouringCuda]

OK - well Keisler sent me a second bellhousing, the Quicktime RM-8078, which states it's for a 5.7/6.1L Hemi to T56.

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Mount it up to the Hemi and every looks good, with the exception of the top two trans bolts - they again look crooked. Angle finders says 5 degrees. I checked the top two bell bolts, they're at 0 degrees.
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So I put the trans up on the bench, with a few long bolts in the rear mount and measure the angle - it's at 0 degrees.
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Now move up front. Top two bolts are at 5 degrees with the rear mount level. Go figure.
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Now, you would think that Keisler knows the difference between a T56 and a T56 Magnum. Well, apparently they don't otherwise they would have sent me this: The RM-199 adapter plate from QuickTime.
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It allows their bells to be used with the T56 Magnum, which has this port running diagonally from the 9 o'clock position to the 5 o'clock position (the T56 doesn't have this feature)
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Without this plate, you have interference.
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[ProTouringCuda]

Also ordered a set of TTI Polished Ceramic Coated headers. They're due to be shipped on 2/3/11, then we can concentrate on getting the engine/trans positioned on the chassis.
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[rrrcustom]

Nice! I love non-'69 camaro builds!

[ProTouringCuda]

What's wrong with this picture:

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Looks like they sent me the wrong Pilot bearing as well - probably for a T56, not a T56 Magnum. So far Keisler's batting zero in my book. I can only imagine the problems I'm going to have down the road.

[ProTouringCuda]

OK - lets see. The 2nd bellhousing is no good. Would need an additional 0.375 spacer plate on top of the .25" plate to convert it from a T56 to a T56 mag. Got Bell #3 on its way.

Header came in today. They look great and fit great too. Now, we just need a bell with a DS starterthat fits and we'll be cookin.

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[wellis77]

Blows my mind you are having such a hard time with this bellhousing. Guess I was pretty fortunate I only had to trim the input shaft...

[ProTouringCuda]

Blows my mind you are having such a hard time with this bellhousing. Guess I was pretty fortunate I only had to trim the input shaft...

Ahh, but from your sig, you're using a T56, not a T56 Magnum (the newer version), correct? If you are running the magnum, which bell did you wind up using?

[ALLstrokedOUT]

Wow, that's a lot of issues with that tranny. I called up QuickTime with a few questions about using a viper, or ls t56 with my small block. Their website has one pn for both trannys and i needed to clear up which scatter shield to get. The tech wasn't even aware the t56's had different length inputs; I had to school the tech. Good luck with your project, looks beautiful so far. I've been following it from the beginning, and can't wait to see this mopar all finished!!

[wellis77]

Yeah mine is the older T-56, magnum-less, which is why the difference I'm sure. Had to shorten my input, probably because of what ALLstrokedOUT mentioned. Worked out though. Keep the progress coming though, I can't wait to see this car on the frame.

[Bigblue73]

Did you get your pilot bearing all squared away? If not give me a call - (573) 823-1813.

[454Ram]

Wow, what an awesome build. Subscribed.

[ramlinman]

gotta get over this herttle so you can make progress. we're rootin' for you

[ProTouringCuda]

Did you get your pilot bearing all squared away? If not give me a call - (573) 823-1813.

Yes I did (I hope). Thanks. Kinda wishing at this point I would have went with you guys.


Their website has one pn for both trannys and i needed to clear up which scatter shield to get.
When using a QuickTime T56 bell (designed for the original T56) with a T56 Magnum, you need QuickTime's RM-199 T56 -> T56 Magnum 1/4" conversion plate. Look it up on their site. It's near the bottom of the page.

I've got a "purpose built" bellhousing coming on Friday from Keisler. It's not SFI rated, but I don't forsee sidestepping the clutch at 6k RPM multiple times in this thing (ok, maybe just once or twice) :)

[ProTouringCuda]

Well, Keisler sent me a "purpose built" bell housing that they had in a back room somewhere. It's one of their automatic trans bells adapted to fit the T56 Magnum, or so I'm told. It's not SFI rated, but I was running out of options. So I spent Sunday trying to make things work. Here's the assembled engine/trans:

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Looks good from a macro perspective, but remember my post a few days ago about the built in 10degree tilt to the T56 magnums - well, this bell doesn't take that into account.

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That rear trans mount is supposed to be parallel to the ground. Now it has a 10 degree tilt to the right.

I think this is the third strike for Keilser. They obviously have NEVER put a T56 Magnum behind a 5.7L Hemi. So many other small issues too:

(1) Starter had to be modified to fit the bell, and now it looks like that was a mistake.
(2) Shifter doesn't bolt up correctly to the trans.
(3) Hydraulic throwout only has 0.32 of throw with it spaced ~1.5" from the trans
(4) trans only threads 1/4" into an aluminum adapter plate
(5) The dowel holes on the adapter are a press as are the holes on the trans. Should be a slip.

Very, Very disappointed - certainly not a PERFECT FIT as they advertise.

[FRENCHBLUE72]

Sorry to hear you are having issues.. If it was me id send it all back and source parts from elsewhere.

[ramlinman]

you gotta do something. just make sure it's not to get discouraged with the build

[KEISLER]

Well, Keisler sent me a "purpose built" bell housing that they had in a back room somewhere. It's one of their automatic trans bells adapted to fit the T56 Magnum, or so I'm told. It's not SFI rated, but I was running out of options. So I spent Sunday trying to make things work. Here's the assembled engine/trans:

Looks good from a macro perspective, but remember my post a few days ago about the built in 10degree tilt to the T56 magnums - well, this bell doesn't take that into account.

That rear trans mount is supposed to be parallel to the ground. Now it has a 10 degree tilt to the right.

I think this is the third strike for Keilser. They obviously have NEVER put a T56 Magnum behind a 5.7L Hemi. So many other small issues too:

(1) Starter had to be modified to fit the bell, and now it looks like that was a mistake.
(2) Shifter doesn't bolt up correctly to the trans.
(3) Hydraulic throwout only has 0.32 of throw with it spaced ~1.5" from the trans
(4) trans only threads 1/4" into an aluminum adapter plate
(5) The dowel holes on the adapter are a press as are the holes on the trans. Should be a slip.

Very, Very disappointed - certainly not a PERFECT FIT as they advertise.

I've asked John to return the parts for a refund. We NEVER sold this as a PERFECTFIT kit. We've done this swap more than several times - usually with the A41 bell & Magnum adapter combo above.

As you can clearly see, the shifter is aligned correctly vertical as it should be for a muscle car application. We didn't design the Magnum and I have no idea why Tremec chose to put the isolator mount canted. I brought this up to them in 2008 when they first brought this out. It is up to the builder to make a mount for it. No big deal.

No Mopar Performance starter has to be modified to fit our bell. We've been selling this bell since 2006; there's hundreds of them out there.

Shifter doesn't bolt up correctly to trans?? That is the factory Tremec shifter. Are you talking about the shifter handle?

Hydraulic bearing .32inch stroke?? Per the instructions, you simply need to add more of the interlocking spacers to index the bearing forward.

Trans only threads 1/4inch into an aluminum adapter plate?? What does that mean?

Yes, dowel pins should be a slip fit. This is most likely caused by a burr.

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I'm not looking to make excuses here, because when we sell something we stand behind it. The Quicktime bellhousing issues and their customer service issues are our of our control. When it comes to our product above, what I see above is minor stuff that you work through with a little bit of patience. That is what custom work, hot rodding, etc is all about. It is a shame you want to give up on it now; you are actually close now to seeing it through.

[ProTouringCuda]

I've asked John to return the parts for a refund. We NEVER sold this as a PERFECTFIT kit. We've done this swap more than several times - usually with the A41 bell & Magnum adapter combo above.
The A41 bell and adapter are designed incorrectly. The T56 Magnum has a built-in 5 degree tilt to the left (probably for better ergonomics with the shifter position in the cabin) and the Quicktime bells take this tilt into account. The A41 bell does not. I've got one more thing I'd like to try, but I need to make some additional measurements first.


As you can clearly see, the shifter is aligned correctly vertical as it should be for a muscle car application. We didn't design the Magnum and I have no idea why Tremec chose to put the isolator mount canted. I brought this up to them in 2008 when they first brought this out. It is up to the builder to make a mount for it. No big deal.
No, the isolator mount is perfectly level when the bell takes up the tilt. See my previous posts on this subject. This angle needs to be incorporated into your bellhousing design.


No Mopar Performance starter has to be modified to fit our bell. We've been selling this bell since 2006; there's hundreds of them out there.
I purchased a Mopar Performance (#P56029274AA) starter for the 5.7L. The insert you had in the bell had to be removed, and one of the starter fastener holes was tapped - it had to be drilled as a clearance since the bell was tapped for both fasteners.


Shifter doesn't bolt up correctly to trans?? That is the factory Tremec shifter. Are you talking about the shifter handle?
Yes, the shifter handle. The shifter handle mounting holes on the trans are tapped. The shifter handle clearance holes are not large enough to use the bolts supplied for the handle mount. I had to use smaller bolts with nuts.


Hydraulic bearing .32inch stroke?? Per the instructions, you simply need to add more of the interlocking spacers to index the bearing forward.
ALL THREE INTERLOCKING SPACERS YOU PROVIDED WERE USED, as well as the existing mount. Also, FYI, the hydraulic throwout uses three fasteners - you supplied only two of each. It's small details like this that make me wonder...


Trans only threads 1/4inch into an aluminum adapter plate?? What does that mean?
The plate you supplied with the A41 bell. The fasteners where all ground off, and the thread engagement does not follow the 1.5 times diameter rule of thumb.


Yes, dowel pins should be a slip fit. This is most likely caused by a burr.
No burr - wrong size hole.

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I'm not looking to make excuses here, because when we sell something we stand behind it. The Quicktime bellhousing issues and their customer service issues are our of our control. When it comes to our product above, what I see above is minor stuff that you work through with a little bit of patience. That is what custom work, hot rodding, etc is all about. It is a shame you want to give up on it now; you are actually close now to seeing it through.

When I pay over $5k for a kit, I expect it to fit. If I wanted to do it as a custom fit on my own, I would have bought the pieces separately from different vendors. I'm paying you for your expertise as a transmission supplier, with knowledge of the transmissions you sell and what is required to make them fit into the application. This is really a pretty simple application - I'm just trying to mate it up to an engine, and am not even concerned with floor boards and the like.

As I mentioned earlier, the reason why I chose Keisler Engineering, whas because of the word "Engineering" in your company name. However, as an engineer myself, I wonder how much engineering actually went into my application.

As I mentioned, I slept on it overnight, and I may have over-reacted a bit after spending the entire day Sunday fitting the trans up only to find it tilted to the right. I was pretty upset.

After sleeping on it, I think there may be one final option that can work. The original Quicktime bell you supplied (RM8074) may fit when the RM-199 adaptor is used. I just need to make some measurements to be sure.

[KEISLER]

Please send me pictures to my email of the adapter plate "fasteners ground off" thing; that doesn't make sense to me so I want to see it. Also, I will have engineering check on the dowel pin holes, and ream the holes if required. One the tilt, this was to put the shifter canted to the left in OEM apps. Aftermarket customer typically do not want the shifter canted.

Anyway, if you make the quicktime bell work, that is good.

[gac7773]

You have a Gm Magnum you need an Rm8074 it is for the Viper will will work exactly. No need for the spacers.. Keisler needs to supply you there Mopar to Gm T56 Pilot bearing. Get a normal Mopar small block starter 340/360 and away you go. I have ran into issue with the dowel hole being to small on the bell you may have to ream them out a little. I just had too today on a Big block to Magnum set up we are working on. I hope this helps. Good luck. Also you are correct the Quick time makes up the angle difference.

[Tincup]

I just finished watching the final episode of Chop,Cut,Rebuild with the Keisler XP Hemi Charger and they had nothing but trouble with the tranny in the car. Pretty embarrassing for a trans engineering company.....

[ProTouringCuda]

You have a Gm Magnum you need an Rm8074 it is for the Viper will will work exactly. No need for the spacers.

Well, here's what Keisler has told me about QuickTime and their bells. Quicktime was sold to Prestolite Performance (i.e Mr Gasket, Accel, Hays, et al) last year. Before they were sold, QuickTime was machining their T56 bells so that they would fit the T56 Magnums without the RM-199 spacer plate. Since being sold, they have stopped machining and are shipping regular T56 bells that will not fit a T56 Magnum with out the spacer plate. That's why the RM8074 didn't fit the first time they sold it to me. Keisler sent me the RM-199 spacer, and from my measurements, the RM-8074 should work. I'm now dealing with an engineer at Keisler and will hopefully have this all figured out in short time.

[gac7773]

Well, here's what Keisler has told me about QuickTime and their bells. Quicktime was sold to Prestolite Performance (i.e Mr Gasket, Accel, Hays, et al) last year. Before they were sold, QuickTime was machining their T56 bells so that they would fit the T56 Magnums without the RM-199 spacer plate. Since being sold, they have stopped machining and are shipping regular T56 bells that will not fit a T56 Magnum with out the spacer plate. That's why the RM8074 didn't fit the first time they sold it to me. Keisler sent me the RM-199 spacer, and from my measurements, the RM-8074 should work. I'm now dealing with an engineer at Keisler and will hopefully have this all figured out in short time.


I just installed a fresh RM8074 on big block no issues no spacers other than dowel holes being to small due to paint or coating. The information given to you is incorrect. They may have sent you an older version they had on the shelf. The bells have all the correct cut outs for the magnum. The guy who originally made the bell is the same guy still making the bell. He is working on both Quicktime bells and Lakewood bells. The same person is doing all the machining and still shipping out of the original building.

[ALLstrokedOUT]

...wait a second..RM 8074 on Quicktime's website is for a small block; its the pn I had stored for when I buy it for my project. ..so are the 5.7/6.1 hemis the same bolt pattern? Are you also saying that you can no longer get a scatter shield clocked at the proper angle for an ls or viper t56 (or is a vipers bell to mid plate bolts at the same position as the magnums)? ..QuickTime defiantly has to update their website, their descriptions on these scatter shields have been causing me confusion for months-even before this whole magnum t56 thing. Hope all goes well with your install, again!

[gac7773]

The 8074 is for the small block but will also work on the 3rd gen Hemi. The magnum has a cant to it as does the Viper so it will work just fine. no worries. The difference in the 3rd gen Hemi and small block Quicktime is the starter position.

[ProTouringCuda]

...wait a second..RM 8074 on Quicktime's website is for a small block; its the pn I had stored for when I buy it for my project. ..so are the 5.7/6.1 hemis the same bolt pattern?

Yeah - it bolts up to the G3 Hemi, it just doesn't "look" like it fits due to the hemi block being circular, and the 8074 has scallops and the 12 o'clock fastener (which is absent on the hemi). Keisler also told me that the height Quicktime has on their site for the 8074 is incorrect. It's 3/16" shorter than what they have listed.

They must have sent me an old one off the shelf - because it was DEFINITELY not machined to fit the magnum.

[gac7773]

The 3/16 is the difference in the plate that comes with the bell. That gives the total depth as posted on QT site.

[ProTouringCuda]

I'll know the height first hand when the bell comes in this afternoon.

[ProTouringCuda]

Bit the bullet and took the situation into my own hands. Had to have the bell machined for clearance. Nobody makes the correct bell for this marriage, so returning this to Keisler would have just set me back to square one.

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Finally, a 'perfect fit' with no interference.

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Tomorrow night, time permitting, we'll mate it up to the G3.

[ProTouringCuda]

The 3/16 is the difference in the plate that comes with the bell. That gives the total depth as posted on QT site.

Engine plate thickness: 0.115" <> 3/16 = 0.1875"

[ProTouringCuda]

Yeah - it bolts up to the G3 Hemi, it just doesn't "look" like it fits due to the hemi block being circular, and the 8074 has scallops and the 12 o'clock fastener (which is absent on the hemi).

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[Motorcitydak]

Any need to fill in the gaps between the bell and block? Maybe w/ RTV or something to stop oil and dirt from getting to the clutch? Just want to know because I want to use a 5.7 and one of their bells with an 833

[gac7773]

Bit the bullet and took the situation into my own hands. Had to have the bell machined for clearance. Nobody makes the correct bell for this marriage, so returning this to Keisler would have just set me back to square one.

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Finally, a 'perfect fit' with no interference.


Tomorrow night, time permitting, we'll mate it up to the G3.


Glad you got it handled Here is a pic of a fresh Bell for a Perfect fit From Quick Time. You can clearly see the cut outs for the Magnum. You must have gotten old stock.


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[ProTouringCuda]

Glad you got it handled Here is a pic of a fresh Bell for a Perfect fit From Quick Time. You can clearly see the cut outs for the Magnum. You must have gotten old stock.

Yep - I most certainly must have. Just my luck. If I had received the bell in your picture from the Get-Go, all of this could have been avoided.

[ramlinman]

oh well whata ya gonna do....

[Jon Clough]

great engine/tranny combo, going to be a nice car

[ProTouringCuda]

Any need to fill in the gaps between the bell and block? Maybe w/ RTV or something to stop oil and dirt from getting to the clutch? Just want to know because I want to use a 5.7 and one of their bells with an 833

My plan right now is to make a "filler strip" that will clean up that mating surface. Stay tuned.

[ProTouringCuda]

Well, now that most of the transmission issues are behind me (knock on wood), it was time to move the powertrain into the chassis.

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However, it looks as maybe it's too far forward? Second spark plug is even with the upper ball joint. My '65 Mustang appears to have the 1st spark plug even with the upper ball joint in the factory position.

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Maybe too far back? The line on the chassis is the firewall location.

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Here's a problem. Now which way?

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Seems like more than enough rooom here.

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Looks like I may have to sit in the backseat?

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[wellis77]

Granted, mine is a later A-body, but I lined the number 1 up with the UBJ and I'm into the firewall an inch or two. Looks like you'll be in there quite a ways if you line up number 1. Can you relocate the shifter forward?

[ProTouringCuda]

Small update: The JBA Shorties weren't going to work, so I ordered a set of Gibson's Log Headers. They're going to work perfectly, and I like they way they look too!

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Drivers Side
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[wellis77]

WHOA! I need a set of those, they will solve some problems I'm having... Very nice. Do you have a part number for those? I can't seem to locate them on Gibson's website.

[ProTouringCuda]

WHOA! I need a set of those, they will solve some problems I'm having... Very nice. Do you have a part number for those? I can't seem to locate them on Gibson's website.

Got mine from Summit - search for a 2008 Dodge Ram 1500 with the 5.7L. I found them on Gibson's site - they show the Part# GP311S-C. They're cheaper from summit.

Just realized I didn't have any pics of the JBA's on here. Here's a few shots:
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[Motorcitydak]

Will, take a close look at the outlets of all the different Hemi headers. I have a set of the stock manifolds from a Ram and they exit pretty much straight back as you can see in John's photos of the log headers. They are a pain because of packaging reasons, you will probably need a sharp bend rite after the manifold, the header in the more recent post are much easier to build around since they point down more. I do not know if anyone offers headers for it but I used manifolds from a Hemi Jeep Commander in my truck build because of their exhaust outlet.

[Crestronwizard]

How's mounting to the chassis coming?

[ProTouringCuda]

How's mounting to the chassis coming?

Tonight, I'm going to start making some decisions on where the powertrain is going to be set, and get the PT angle set with respect to the pinion. The pinion angle is adjustable with the 4-bar, so it really comes down to biting the bullet and getting the setback to where I want it, then get the mounts tacked to the chassis. Then fab up the the trans crossmember, and finally start working on the exhaust, from the headers back.

That's the plan anyway - what am I forgetting?

[rjsjea]

Never seen those "log" headers.......great build

[ALLstrokedOUT]

Looks like it's coming together! ..btw, did you mention what throw out bearing your running? I assume it's from keisler, is it dimensionally the same as the viper or camaro tob? Thanks!

[ProTouringCuda]

Looks like it's coming together! ..btw, did you mention what throw out bearing your running? I assume it's from keisler, is it dimensionally the same as the viper or camaro tob? Thanks!

The Hydraulic throwout is from Keisler, but from what I understand it's an off-the-shelf Ford part.


Tonight, I'm going to start making some decisions on where the powertrain is going to be set

As it got closer to crunch time on the placement, I determined I needed to lose the stock DR truck oil pan in favor of one of the rear sump Milodon pans. Extra capacity plus it allows me to get the engine 2" lower than the stock pan.

[Tincup]

Those LOG headers are pretty funky, curious to see how they work out.....

[ProTouringCuda]

Wow - that took a long time, and I still don't have the pickup. Pan is special order from Milodon, and it finally arrived on Friday. Here's the stock pan:

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and the new pan:

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[rfalker1]

I love the build, sorry about the tranny/engine problems, but glad you got everything sorted out!!!! It looks great and cool pan, Your car will be sitting almost on the ground ;)

[ProTouringCuda]

Well, I worked on the car a bit today. But first, a new toy arrived in the garage last week. It's a Miller Diversion 180 TIG welder. Awesome machine. Runs of 120 or 220 - whatever it takes. And since I didn't want to spend time building my own welding bench I bought one of Millers. It's also a nice piece.

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And here's a weld on the motor mounts. Need more practice, but for now - I'm pretty happy with this weld.

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[Crestronwizard]

Looks great to me! Where did you buy the welder?

[ProTouringCuda]

Looks great to me! Where did you buy the welder?

Well, being an internet retailer myself, I googled the Model and got prices from four places online. Then, I figured I've give my local Miller dealer an opportunity to quote it. To my surprise, he pretty much matched anything that was available online. So, I gave the business to him. If I wanted to the the ABSOLUTE lowest price on everything, I could have piecemealed it, but to make it easier, I just bought everything from him.

[Crestronwizard]

Those log headers look like a good option for me. I want the frame to be the lowest part of my car if possible.

[ProTouringCuda]

Some small progress. Got the engine mounts TIG'd in permanently. Next, I gotta remove the 1st round cross brace near where the trans crossmember is gonna be, and get a crossmember fabbed in.
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[wellis77]

John, how much engine setback are you going to run? I did something similar with my motor mounts and need to change them because I have a VERY hard time removing the engine. My engine is set back under the cowl a bit, I don't remember how much but enough that I can not lift it straight up and over the bracket welded to the chassis. I think I have a fix for it but won't know until later this year. Something to thing about if you haven't already.

[ProTouringCuda]

John, how much engine setback are you going to run?

Yeah, it's a ton of setback and will be under the cowl as well. But I wanted it back and low. If I moved it forward, It'd have to come up quite a bit too - didn't want to go that route.

[wellis77]

I hope you have enough vertical room between the intake and cowl to lift the engine up, I don't which is why I'm making changes. Yours is looking good John.

[rustomatic]

I'm a bit off topic here, but if you need a diversion, check out the panhard bar set-up. You'll more than likely want some adjustment up and down (I didn't see any--please ignore me if I'm wrong) in that thing, so as to be able to get it to parallel when you've eventually got the body on and some gas in the car. Fabbing or modding brackets now may be both a nice break and a nerve savings later, once you've got the weight of the (huge) window on top... A punching bag in the garage never hurts, either...

Please don't get welding or grinding sparks on the nice white Mustang!

[ProTouringCuda]

Some updates:

My Fabbed up Crossmember
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Powertrain on it own mounts - big milestone.
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[johnny68]

John coming along nicely not to sure about the green axents tho haha

[64impala]

What a unique build! Coming togeather beautifuly!

[srh3trinity]

John coming along nicely not to sure about the green axents tho haha

Probably one of those off the wall Mopar colors of green. Awesome project, the chassis looks good.

[number98]

Man that thing is looking sweet! I am going to be following this one since I am getting ready to start a similar build with my 67 Mustang and an AME chassis.....

[linkstar69]

Wow this will be a great one to get on the scales once you've finished. Looks like you'll have great balance with that set back.

[therobski]

WOW that is really a good build going on here. I will watching this thread as things continue to develop, I can get my training wheels to move a little faster for my 64 F-85 build. Great job.

[ramlinman]

keep it coming.... very nice

[devwil68]

wow, looks awesome down on the ground!

[ProTouringCuda]

Well, spent some time in the Garage last sunday, fabbing up the 2.5" stainless exhaust - until I ran out of Argon. Here's some pics.
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[irregal83]

Perfect fit haha.... whose the engineer now?

[MoparCar]

Looking great! What TIG are you running? Nice welds on that SS.
Wes

[jtm311]

Really nice work!!!

John

[ramlinman]

doing a fantastic job. bet thats giving you a positive boost......

[Crestronwizard]

Looking great!! Where did you get the motor mounts from??

[orbit]

Subscribed!!! Ive got 66 Cuda and have been wondering about pro-touring it. How does the stock frame look? I mean, is it a weak link to the car of could you build on it with some creativity? Please keep the pics coming?!

[scikotictc232]

nice build been doing my homework on throwing a frame under my duster instead of the back half i have in there already, do you know now how you will mount the body to the frame ? also what are your plans for the floor boards ?

[linkstar69]

Subscribed!!! Ive got 66 Cuda and have been wondering about pro-touring it. How does the stock frame look? I mean, is it a weak link to the car of could you build on it with some creativity? Please keep the pics coming?!

The mopar A body platform is just as useable as just about any factory frame but as with using any factory set up there will be compromises resulting from stretching the limitations of the factory design.
Do your home work and identify what end result you want for your 66 then work backwards from there. All your questions will answer themselves.

Btw if you need more mopar specific advise there is a site called protouringmopar.com it's a lot smaller than this site but has lots of mopar specific info and all different levels of projects represented.

Link

[orbit]

Thank you! Never new of it and parts for this car is rediculous to find... Let alone pay for.

[ProTouringCuda]

Looking great! What TIG are you running? Nice welds on that SS.
Wes

Wes:

I bought the Miller Diversion 180 TIG setup. I can't beleive how easy it is and it runs of either 120V or 240V. Much cleaner, quieter, nicer welds (IMO) than a MIG. It was a bit pricy compared to MIG, but I figured this will be the only welder I will ever need. I got it for ~ $1600 from my local Miller rep. Here's a link:

http://www.millerwelds.com/products/tig/product.php?model=M00337

[ProTouringCuda]

Looking great!! Where did you get the motor mounts from??

Geoff: Got the mounts from TinMan Fabrication (http://tinmanfabrication.com/). He also does stuff for Mustangs! Very nice stuff me thinks.

[ProTouringCuda]

Subscribed!!! Ive got 66 Cuda and have been wondering about pro-touring it. How does the stock frame look? I mean, is it a weak link to the car of could you build on it with some creativity? Please keep the pics coming?!

I'm not that much of a Mopar man, but I imagine the '66 is quite similar to the '65. There is no frame from the factory - it's a UniBody car. I'm converting from Unibody to Body-on-Frame. in order to get the stance I wanted (IMO - it's really going to be slammed) I had to go with the full chassis. No other *easy* way to do it ;)

[ProTouringCuda]

OK - got 75% of the exhaust done in stainless. Botht the LH and RH sides are done to just in front of the rearend. Now the question: Can I go under the axle rather than over? Not much room between the axle and coilover mount/crossmember. What are the pro's and con's of either?

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[Motorcitydak]

As long as your axle will not contact the exhaust pipe at full droop you will be good, it would just be slightly more complicated to pull the axle if you need to down the road. Ive been tossing that idea around too but Im a long way off from thinking about where my exhaust will come out

[ProTouringCuda]

Here's what it looks like going straight back, under the axle, and the amount of room up top.

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[ProTouringCuda]

Small update - flex and O2 bungs in on the Pside.
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[ramlinman]

thats a tease

[ProTouringCuda]

Another couple of teases. DS side flex and bung, along with DS hanger.

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[orbit]

Fabulous

[rjsjea]

Nice looking exhaust for sure

[rjsjea]

aaahhh.....oops

[ProTouringCuda]

aaahhh.....oops

Oops - in what way?

[rjsjea]

Oops - in what way?

Double post(I own #171,#172).....my computer is slow, so out of frustration I start roughing her up and she just decides to speed up and double post

[ramlinman]

Double post(I own #171,#172).....my computer is slow, so out of frustration I start roughing her up and she just decides to speed up and double post

i thought that only happed to me!!!!

[ProTouringCuda]

Switched over to V-Band clamps in order to keep the pipes from rototing. Also gives a nice adjustment feature to the pipes to get everything where it needs to be, then lock it down. They're not cheap (about 3x the cost of the band clamps) I got mine from Mandrel Bending Solutinos (http://www.mandrelbendingsolutions.com/servlet/the-367/Stainless%2C-Steel%2C-V-dsh-Band%2C-V%2C/Detail). Ordered on Wednesday, Had them on Friday. Welded two of them in Friday night.

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[dusterbd13]

what kind of resonators are those? they almost look like spun cats.

[Motorcitydak]

also did you change your mind on running the exhaust under the axle? If so, why?

[ProTouringCuda]

what kind of resonators are those? they almost look like spun cats.

They're 12" resonators from Vibrant. Polished stainless, impecable construction, nice pieces.

[ProTouringCuda]

also did you change your mind on running the exhaust under the axle? If so, why?
Yeah, going over the axle. Decided just to be more conventional thats all. Plus with the resonators, it just made more sense.

[454bug]

Exhaust looks fantastic John! :1st:

VERY nice welding on the stainless material.

Were your exhaust hangers from the www.mandrelbendingsolutions.com site or from somewhere else? I need to come up with some for my project...

[ProTouringCuda]

Exhaust looks fantastic John! :1st:

VERY nice welding on the stainless material.

Were your exhaust hangers from the www.mandrelbendingsolutions.com site or from somewhere else? I need to come up with some for my project...

No, although I think they're gonna be my first choice if I need anything else. I bought the straight stainless hangers from Summit, along with a couple of rubber mounts/isolators. The oval mounts and 90deg hangers came with my stainless builders kit from Magnaflow.

[ProTouringCuda]

Up and over. Need to do some better fitting here - just wanted to see what I had to work with.

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[65cuda340]

That is one awesome looking chassis! I just found this thread, so please excuse my late arrival. At the risk of asking questions for which the answers should be obvious:

1. Did you fabricate the chassis yourself, or is it a manufactured piece?

2. How will the chassis be integrated with the unibody construction of the car?

I am in the early planning stages of a total revamp of my '65 Barracuda, which I have owned since 1978, when I bought it and dropped a 340 with 727 trans and 8-3/4 rear end into it. I have considered subframes, but am very interested in something like this--the improvement in strength and rigidity should be incredible!

[ProTouringCuda]

Umm, Houston, We're in a holding pattern...

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[craigs73]

HOLDINGS right lol.... my was holding for 2 years before i could really start again but thats me... good luck with the baby girl

[MoparCar]

Umm, Houston, We're in a holding pattern...

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That is so funny because I could post almost an exact picture....as my Challenger PT project is sitting on the rotisserie temporarily "on hold"for the same great reason!
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[dusterbd13]

and i think i have posted a very similar version of that picture.

you will find the time. just less of it. wont miss working on the car when she is awake, though. congrats, and introduce her to the garage early and often. my daughter is now almost 3, and she loves coming to the shop with daddy and gettimng dirty.

Michael

[Bryce]

Congrats John!

[joeko23]

Awesome chassis. I love how the exhaust gies through the frame

[ramlinman]

how much dust is on that baby...... errr ahhh i mean cuda

[ProTouringCuda]

Yeah - I'm still here, with bags under my eyes from lack of sleep. I haven't been out in the Garage to work on the car in about two months. Might be able to get out there after the holidays and finish up the exhaust.

[Crestronwizard]

I'm with you.......my baby girl was born 11-18 ( 3.5 weeks early)

[SRD art]

Congrats John and Geoff!

Man if this car turns out 1/2 as nice as the rendering you're in good shape. :attn: Seriously, this thing is coming together great and looks fantastic so far!!!

[ramlinman]

looking forward to it

[65silverfish]

I just recently found this build on-line and oh boy! I have had a 65 I bought back in September of 85 from a relative for $500 with a 340 in it. Unfortunately it has not seen the road since December of 86, about 6 months after I got my license.....(no details to add there...lol!). Then marriage, kids, house etc..... Anyway, I have always wanted to "frame" it out, but nothing like that was available until I have seen your build here. Needless to say, you have re-inspired me and provided me with a new sense of direction.

I would like to thank you very much and I am eagerly awaiting further progress with your project. Keep up the great work!

Congrats with the new addition!

[orbit]

Any updates on the build?

[ProTouringCuda]

Nothing to update - really need to try and get out there soon. Been thinking about fuel storage, and how I'd love to have a Ricks tank in this...

[wellis77]

John, connect with Tincup over on FABO about a tank. I'm working with him and Whitetrash on my tank using Vaporworx stuff. Custom designed tank w/ Vaporworx stuff at a price that will beat anybody! Send him a PM, it'll be worth it.

I'm going to have them build my radiator as well, and I've got a couple other things in mind for them too.

[ProTouringCuda]

John, connect with Tincup over on FABO about a tank. I'm working with him and Whitetrash on my tank using Vaporworx stuff. Custom designed tank w/ Vaporworx stuff at a price that will beat anybody! Send him a PM, it'll be worth it.

I'm going to have them build my radiator as well, and I've got a couple other things in mind for them too.

I didn't look through 52 pages of his build, but a mod pointed me to page 38 - that's a stock tank. Is there something more recent than that?

[Tincup]

I didn't look through 52 pages of his build, but a mod pointed me to page 38 - that's a stock tank. Is there something more recent than that?

24Gal, 14ga SS, internal pump, stock sending unit.

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[wellis77]

Sure is something more recent, and in a couple weeks they'll have my tank knocked out...

[ProTouringCuda]

Sure is something more recent, and in a couple weeks they'll have my tank knocked out...

Did you go with a Vaporworx setup? Love to see more pics of your tank.

[wellis77]

I did use Vaporworx. Carl was awesome to work with, answered all my crazy questions, shipped everything right to Mike so he can get everything squared away with the tank design. I haven't gotten any additional pics yet but Eric mentioned yesterday that it should be done by Friday so I'm sure I'll have more pics then. Mike was awesome to work with on the design (they both were actually). I knew exactly what and how I wanted, they gave me their feedback, tweaked my design to improve it and set it up for the Vaporworx module. All is good. I'm sending it down to Leanna at Phoenix Specialty Coatings for powder coating once it's finished. I want it more-or-less hidden under the car.

[wellis77]

Hey John, here is another pic of the tank. Still needs brackets, but other than that it is finished.

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[ProTouringCuda]

Was able to spend a few hours out in the garage this past weekend and finished up the DS exhaust.
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[Ratwagon64]

John, car looks good. I see your welding has gotten better over the years. Remember using my mig to weld up the 240Z frame rails? Nice job tiging the exhaust. Pat

[ProTouringCuda]

John, car looks good. I see your welding has gotten better over the years. Remember using my mig to weld up the 240Z frame rails? Nice job tiging the exhaust. Pat

Yes of course I remember trying to repair the frame on the Z - wish I would have bough a TIG machine back then. So much easier, cleaners, and faster!

Pat - great to hear from you. Make sure you "subscribe" to my thread so that you automatically get e-mails whenever I update!

[Wesley J]

Can I go under the axle rather than over? Not much room between the axle and coilover mount/crossmember. What are the pro's and con's of either?



I went under, mostly so I could pass inspection.

Pro: exhaust exits at the rear. Most say it helps with keeping interior noise to a minimum. Made no difference with my car.
Cons: Ugly. Can drag if you have large exhaust and plush travel.

[nlancaster]

Glad you found "me" time in your garage. One of the worst things that can happen to any couple after getting kids is the loss of "me" time for both partners. I hope your wife gets some for herself as well.

I love seeing the less well know cuda getting some attention. And I hope you get enough time to finish the car!!

[ProTouringCuda]

Here's my design for the stainless tank. Looking for a quote from Ricks and a few other places, including vaporworx.

No filler yet, because I'm not exactly sure where I'm going to fill from yet. Center feature is for vaprworx, with exits out the front of the tank.

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[Auto Rod Technologies]

Cool project, I like the frame. and you have samson to keep you company on those late nights. lmao.

[Crestronwizard]

Any new updates???

[ramlinman]

Any new updates???

just wondering!

[stappy]

Has this thread been picked up someplace else? What is going on???

[ProTouringCuda]

Has this thread been picked up someplace else? What is going on???

Well, when kids come into the picture, the cars take a back seat for awhile. Was able to get some work done on the car last month - removed the DS Quarter and Rocker. New Rocker tacked in, new quarter fits like a glove. Also have the stainless bent for the fuel tank - just need to set priorities on one thing at a time!

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[xcrunner2616]

protouriung cuda can you pm me please

[Auto Rod Technologies]

Maybe you need some motivation!!! Get back to this thing!! lol.

[ProTouringCuda]

Alright - this is what I was working on last time I was out there. I hope to have this finished in the spring (i.e. before May 1st).

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[Auto Rod Technologies]

Well that's better.. lol...

Looks good.

[dangina]

all the links to your pics are broken! - Just a FYI

I was thinking of a custom gas tank with baffels and a in tank pump, But I decided to go with a stock tank and pump and have a small storage tank with pump so I have a constant fuel supply to the engine, the overflow flows back to the stock tank

[ProTouringCuda]

all the links to your pics are broken! - Just a FYI

Yeah - I see that. Not sure why - Must be something Pro-touring.com did Most of the later pictures are there - maybe the site archives the old ones? Dunno. Does knida suck though...

[stappy]

Yeah, this really stinks as I book marked this build to show people over and over.

[Crestronwizard]

Did you move anything around in your online photo album? I did that one time and it messed up links

[ProTouringCuda]

OK - time to wake this thread back up. Have been doing a little work here and there, and now the car is actually at a nearby shop for the marriage of the body and chassis. So, starting with the tank...

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Have been looking for a clean PS quarter for quite some time. One comes on ebay for $200, and I snag it as a Buy It Now. It's in Missouri. Now, just by serendipity, my in-laws are traveling from CALI to NY with a trailer and pickup. Twelve hours after I buy it, they're 2 hours west of the location in MO. They pick it up on their way through!! Amazing luck.

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[ProTouringCuda]

I've set the engine way back, and have lots of room up front. Have been debating about the wow factor under the hood. either SC or T. Well, since I work for the company that makes T, I had to go that route.

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Time for a shoutout to my Dad, who worked for Standard Oil in Whiting Indiana, and is responsible for my interest in cars.

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Going to try and do the same for my son

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[ProTouringCuda]

So, a friend at work told me about this cool tool for designing headers, from ICE ENGINE WORKS. Best tool ever. Like a big set of lego's.

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[ProTouringCuda]

playing around with what the car may look like when it's done...

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[ProTouringCuda]

So, with the arrival of two children, time is valuable. I was introduced to a local guy who did a job for a mutual friend were he took a 30's plymouth sedan, and converted it into a extended cab pickup. I talked him into taking on the barracuda project, and now it's time to trailer it over there.

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[Motown 454]

John That has got to feel great to see the body and frame together! Good for you!! It is going to be one sweet ride.

[linkstar69]

Everything looks awesome

[EvilBlack]

Oh man, I need to see this. I am a Mustang guy but this 65 Cuda has been in my uncles garage since 1974 and I can have it if I want. Not sure but I have no car to play with so the WANT factor is high.151722

[6XCuda]

Any updates on this one?

[ProTouringCuda]

Any updates on this one?

Things are going - but going slow. I had great plans to get out in the garage this winter, but then decided on expanding one of my businesses - that kinda takes away time spent working on the Barracuda. I have however, made some progress since the last update - working on the underside of the car. I've "long term borrowed" a rotisserie from a friend, and though - I better get the underside of the car done just in case he asks for it back!

I had planned on Base/clearing it, but then reality got the best of me - this car is going to be driven first - not shown first. So, I decided to stop with the body work on the underside, and go with Lizard Skin on the floor, and Herculiner in the wheel wells. Just need some warmer weather to get that done.

In the mean time, here's a few update pics.
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[ProTouringCuda]

Been awhile - time to post a few more pics. Got the bottom of the car finished with Lizard Skin Sound deadener, followed by the heat shield. Got Herculiner in the wells. Want to get it off the rotisserie soon, so working on getting fuel, power, and brakes from the back to the front. Will be moving the build thread over to FB (https://www.facebook.com/Boosted-Barracuda-117609572975617/)- just much easier to post from my phone.

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[ProTouringCuda]

Vaporworx and main power module / remote starter solenoid.
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